I just got an ebike a little over a year ago. Started with an Oso and now I have a Wild, and I still have a v2 Megatower. I have the opposite feelings on the whole thing. I think it's awesome that I can hammer out 20 miles in an hour and 20 minutes, and I still get a damn good workout and have so much fun. I went to the Sedona MTB festival this year and was feeling SO much stronger/better on my Megatower than I ever have riding those trails in the last ~8 years, and I attribute that improvement to putting so many miles on the ebikes because I really haven't been riding the Megatower since I built it last spring. It still looks brand new and has a Fox 38 on it with about 30 miles of riding on it. I'm not selling it, I still love it and really notice the difference in how light it feels handling-wise especially compared to the Oso, but the Wild is also an awesome handling bike ontop of also being a helluva great climber. I even went with the lighter battery and I can still do fairly big rides of 3k+ of elevation no problem. And I'm not taking it easy on the climbs, I leave it in one of the middle modes and I am huffing and puffing by the time I get to the top, but I am not 100% gassed to where I'm miserable and regret it.

Maybe try a full powered e-bike and challenge impossible climbs on it. Kinda feel like you're just into flipping bikes. Maybe no more videos about how you absolutely love the bike and it's game changer and what not. We already know there's going to be a follow-up video in a few months of how you sold it and why you so sold it lol.

@edbrama923

4 ай бұрын

But isn’t that human nature? We tend to be passionate about something superficial until another thing comes along… if he wasn’t changing his mind constantly I would question his mental health 😂 Plus, no one is flipping bikes in this market, every time we sell a bike we still lose money or buy something more expensive 🤷‍♂️

@TonyFernandezjkdjedi

4 ай бұрын

Bingo.

@TeamCykelhold

4 ай бұрын

Haha spot on but this is an mtb content creator thing in general. You need to tell everyone how wonderful this new thing is because it attracts click and it's basically the only way to get anyone to sponsor your next "greatest thing ever created" that will inevitable 3 weeks later when another YT vid drops.

@dirttrackdemons5396

4 ай бұрын

@@edbrama923 he bought the wrong bike. long story short

After owning an ebike for a season, now I'll never be able to give it up. I could not care less about the climbs, but much rather push faster and faster on the descents. So many laps has helped me progress quickly as a rider. After 2000 vertical meters in a couple of hours my whole body is toasted! I have buddies who are like you and will never give up their XC rockets and they love to climb! To each his own and happy trails!

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Nice! To each their own! 💪

Aww man I couldn’t disagree with you more on this one. But that might have to do with the differences in our emtbs. I have a full power Ibis Oso, not a mid power assist like your Heckler SL. When I first decided I wanted an emtb, I demoed a bunch. I started thinking I just wanted as close to a regular mtb as possible with a little help on the climbs to get in more miles and laps. Then I rode some full power bikes, and they changed my outlook completely. See the difference with a full power emtb is that it is a different experience completely. Yes, it’s still pedaling two wheels on dirt, but I can do so much more. First, I ride flats and even ups so much faster that they become way more fun and challenging. The flats become near downhill speeds, and on the ups I can hit features, including jumps. This also is increasing my skills quickly riding this fast all the time. Second, I find myself seeking out and attempting crazy climbing challenges that I never would have even thought of attempting on an analog mtb. I’m talking about crazy ledges, super steep, gnarly rooty and rocky stuff- basically moto style technical climbs. Third, I can sesh features so many more times. My latest short vid is an example. Took it out to get comfortable on features with it. I hit the drop and jump line shown on the vid about 50 times. If I had been on my analog I might have had 10 times in me. And I also rode 15 miles singletrack and hit some DJ style jumps that day. Fourth, I ride more. Because I get a meaningful ride of about 10 miles in if I only have an hour, I ride more. In the past I often would bail with that amount of time because it just was too much of a pain in the butt for the limited riding I could get in in an hour. Fifth, is just that I love being fresher for the fun stuff. Fatigue is my biggest enemy- not just in how long or far I can go, but in safety too. When I get fatigued is when the features get dangerous. The ability to get to the top without sucking wind, turn around and drop right in without stopping, and then repeat way more times than I normally could, is the fountain of youth. And I don’t use Turbo- on the Bosch I use either emtb or tour modes. And lastly are the epic rides you can get in on a full power. It’s just insane. What I learned was that, once you add a motor, as long as you have the upper body strength to muscle around a 53 lb bike, the motor makes 5-10 lbs of weight irrelevant. You can build them as big and with as burly components as necessary to absolutely bomb the craziest gnar, and they’ll still rip on flat stuff. And as long as the bike is designed well with proper geometry, linkage and shock tunings, they still get off the ground and rail turns fine. I kid you not when I say the Oso jumps and rails corners as well as my Bronson. It’s funny because I just had my first analog mtb ride this week since buying the Oso. I broke a spoke and the Oso was in the shop so I rode my Bronson. And kinda hated it to be honest. It was so SLOOOOWWWWW. I’m a speed freak, I’ll admit it. I love going fast. You ever get on a highway with noone around and just to see what your car will do get it up to like 110. Then you’re like whoa, I gotta slow down and bring it down to like 75? And you know how freaking slow 75 then feels? Yeah, that’s what it was like. It sucked. For me, full power emtbs have made mountain biking what it always should have been- all fast, all the time. I know this is my perspective, and to each their own. But if you haven’t tried a full power emtb, I encourage you to try one. But I also suggest that when you do, don’t think about it as a mountain bike with a motor. Recalibrate your brain that it is something different. Don’t just ride to the top to get there, have fun doing it. Look for crazy side features and fun lines just like you do on the downs and then go hit em. Rip the flat singletrack as fast as possible, even if it is full of roots or babyheads. Sesh that really fun jump or drop or chute in the middle of the ride a bunch. Whatever you ride though, have fun. 🤙

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

I honestly had not considered mid power vs full being a factor in this. But as you say, whatever you ride, have fun!

It’s your life, hobby and money. So you can do whatever you want. I know your perspective is not to force it upon us but to bring clarity and insight to many riders that might be eager to purchase an e-bike so bad and might realize it wasn’t the experience they expected. For some of us that like to work hard at things, an e-bikes might not bring that satisfaction of accomplishment. Thanks for your input Milton!

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

You get me 🙏

call me crasy but that is part of the reason that I wont be purchasing an ebike, but there is also the factor that I am a 24 yo in great shape

First I ever heard that! Bahahaha 😂 I love both and will always have both. For me, mtb is all about fun and the ebike is just that. I workout and excersize so mtb for me has nothing to do with excersize. Not to mention, the progression is night and day with an ebike. I get what you're saying, I do love riding my 'regular' bike and each give me satisfaction and fun in different ways. Obviously my ebike gets ridden much more but still take the pedal bike out. As its a completely different riding experience. Totally agree light ebike is the way, love my Rise. If I had to only pick one, it would be my ebike, but lucky enough to have each is definitely the best. That's the beauty of this sport, ride what brings you the most satisfaction, and just enjoy!

@barrakingbeatz7794

4 ай бұрын

I agree and also have both. Ebike gets my out more after work and the analog lets me ride on the weekends

I want the people I ride with to have e bikes, it’s the perfect training tool to push me faster. Honestly, if you’re not old or don’t have any health issues or you don’t have any shuttle trails, I think e bikes are a crutch.

Great perspective and I sort of relate. I dislike ebikes personally but also don't care when people ride them. While I tried ebikes just to try them and experience them, I could not get into them because I enjoy the feel of normal bikes and enjoy the fact that I accomplished everything with human power. I personally feel that's what a bicycle is meant to be about... a human powered contraption. So what I can't do 10 laps in 2 hrs. So what I can't get up a 2K ft climb in a few minutes. I am perfectly content and feel fullfilled in my limited 1 - 3 laps or 1 - 2 hr gradual 2k ft climb.

@MILTONATOR

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to share your opinion

I went through the same issue. I’ve found the stronger I am going up, the stronger I am going down. When you ride analog enough you can do the same amount of ups and downs as the E bikes but it just takes longer. I’m definitely not in a rush to go mountain biking and it kind of defeats the purpose so I don’t mind spending the extra time riding in the hills. Most won’t do barley two ups and downs on an Analog bike because it’s too hard for them so E bike is easier for them to get a longer ride with more ups n downs which equals more workout for “them.” Definitely more workout on analog bike if you can match the elevation of E which isn’t that hard if you ride regularly. E is just too easy for most and the reason for the popularity. Some like the difficulty in sports and some want as easy as possible. Just two different personalities

On bike for 3 years. I felt not motivated, i sold it. And back to regular bike. 27.5 is not dead😂

I have to agree with you on this one. My fitness fell off a cliff when I started grabbing the e-bike for most rides. I couldn't believe how out of shape I felt when switching back to my hardtail. Sold the e-bike and bought myself a nice trail bike. Like you said, everyone is different but I enjoy challenging myself on the climbs and gaining the fitness benefits that come along with it.

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for letting me know I’m not the only one

@jackbauer562

3 ай бұрын

My cholesterol went up on ebike. I sold it

I’m all in on the Amish experience, and will be for a long while. I know that every mile is 💯 % my effort and experience.

I love that you emphasized everyone is different. For me, injuries + age + fitness challenges, was making tough hill climbs make me not want to get out and ride. But my ebike makes me get out and ride and ride and ride and as a result my fitness has shot thru the roof. Also my riding skill have progressed immensely getting more laps and repetition in now! I’m probably in the camp of I’m never going back. Ultimately I encourage anyone to go for what you love and don’t feel confined by that choice.

@roddas26

4 ай бұрын

Feel exactly the same way.🤙

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for voicing out your experience.

@stevemendelson4711

4 ай бұрын

Right on here !!!

Love my e-bike, never going back, I can do 30 mile rides and explore more than I ever have. I can start at my house and go 15 to 30 miles out(with a second battery) and never have to load up my bikes, really opens up riding. But I DiY my downhill bike with a bbshd in 2017 so I only had to invest 1300, 700 Motor and 600 for 2 batteries. Gives me up to 80 miles with 2 batteries. Name brand e-bikes are great but there so over priced and the same enjoyment can be had with a DIY bike.

Thanks for your input on a E-bike. I have been thinking about getting one but I’m still enjoying the climbing and descending on a regular mountain bike. I’m 57 years young and love that feeling when I’m climbing it’s like meditation for me. I tell my son that eventually I will get one but not yet.Thanks again for your input.

@MILTONATOR

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for making time to share your thoughts. Ride on!

Some ppl just want to enjoy the fun parts of MTB which is downhill and technical stuff, they dont wanna put the work into climbing or they hate that they need to go over some hills to get to their favorite features. Neither is right or wrong, there's a market out there for everyone. Me personally, as long as i am healthy enough to ride, i'll just ride a normal bike.

I could go out and buy an e-bike tomorrow, but right now I’m just not feeling it. And yes, I have tried riding them and agree they are a lot of fun. But if I gotta climb for a half hour to take a single run, then I’m going to do that to earn my turns. It helps me stay in better physical shape and I’ve found the suffering of the climbs is good for my mental health too. For a second bike, I decided on a DH bike instead. This way I can really enjoy bike park days when I am fortunate enough to get them.

@DandyHippo

Ай бұрын

Natty mc nut!

i mean you could have turned off the heckler going up to have a exploding heart rate and "satisfying" accomplishment of "you made it to the top with no assist" lol🤣🤣

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

😂 still not the same

@noeltapia898

4 ай бұрын

emtb is here to stay. The best thing ever@@MILTONATOR

makes perfect sense. I always wonder why I enjoy climbing so much. Progress comes so fast in MTbing. use it or lose it.

Great video and perspective for a veteran rider in my opinion. I’ve ridden and raced all disciplines for 20 years. I have both but if had to choose one it would be an analogy bike no hesitation! There is something wonderful about the organic feel of a regular bike.. keep up the good work!

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Great input! Thanks for taking the time to watch and chime in on the discussion.

I can totally relate. There are neurological reasons why we might feel more satisfaction by working harder for fewer descents. Suffice it to say that the pain/pleasure contrast plays a large part in how much we enjoy a thing.

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

There’s definitely a science involved. Thanks for chiming in Alan

Only an E-bike. I can go farther, faster, have more fun, and still get a lot of exercise. I have two E-bikes, one is for off road and the other is a commuter. A big part of it is age. At 62 I'm in very good health but regular bikes were taking a toll on my knees. I needed to switch to something that still gave me the ability to exercise but not stress the joints so much.

Hey Milton !! Thanks for another video ! I feel you brother. I love the feeling of acomplishement when getting to the top by your own pedal power. Im not saying ebikes are evil. But that feeling is awesome ! Hope to ride with you one day ! Tus videos aon una inspiracion mi amigo 👊🏾👊🏾

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Thank you my friend. Primero Dios and we cross paths and get a ride in 🙏👊

I hear you! Dont have an ebike myself but starting to feel a similar thing when doing the shuttled laps 😂

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

😅

If you buy a quality long-travel emtb and don't find it extremely enjoyable, I think you are probably riding for all the wrong reasons. The "SL" stuff is a gimick to sell expensive bikes with cheaper batteries, if you buy an emtb, do yourself a favor and get a full power model with a 700wh battery or more. The little extra weight is overcome by more motor power, you can still turn it down if you want more exercise or more range. The speed limit deletes are worth every penny also.

Some well explained opinions. Thanks for sharing your experience.

I kinda get this. I love busting 5 laps at Greer in 45 min on the EMTB. But lately I have been pedaling my trail bike on the XC stuff at Vail. It’s so fun. A different kind of fun.

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Vail is doing some really great work with their XC tracks

Thanks Milton. If I don't feel wiped out after a ride I feel like I cheated myself. I don't own an ebike but that's how feel. I don't have much time to ride so I have to make the most of it.

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for chiming in, Mark!

Interesting! I have the exact same ebike and it’s been a game-changer for me - brings back a lot of the joy I was beginning to lose. Maybe I’ve got more hills I was trying to grind up ;) As long as you’ve got a smile after each ride - that’s the main thing! 👊

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

That smile at the end of every ride is what it’s all about 👊

My 35Nm power ebike on a 170 mm travel front and back with aggressive geo on a 29er still hits my heart rate threshold. It is still me on my analog bike, but faster is how I see it. My happy medium bike at the end of every ride. is very satisfying. I'm glad you found your satisfaction.

Great video,I always feel complete after I ride and proud of my self . When I ride it’s definitely for the peddling,I’m 50 so I need to work harder not easier . ( but I’ll take a tow sometimes)😂

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! I’m right there with ya at 50 💪

I’m in the same boat with my 2023 Levo SL right now. As fun as it is to ride, it’s not as fulfilling when the ride is over. The other thing with these SL bikes is that they aren’t “enough” for the full emtb experience, but they still are assisting you. So you don’t get the satisfaction/gratification of doing the ride on your own nor do you get the full benefit of doing a crazy about of laps/miles.

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Now you got me wondering if it had been different had I gone full fat ebike

@geoffreybarlow7958

4 ай бұрын

@@MILTONATOR I had a full power Levo before I got the SL. I still felt less accomplished than riding analogue when I was done, but the full power bike is more satisfying in the sense of you know you did a huuuge ride as opposed to what you would’ve done on an analogue. On the SL I usually don’t do more or much more than I would do on analogue. The biggest difference with the sl vs analogue is just my recovery is better day to day. But I’m at the point where I’d rather have an analogue and a full power vs riding the SL as a one bike solution.

@roddas26

4 ай бұрын

Completely disagree with you both. Have had 2 x full power Kenevos, 1 x Kenwvo SL and now have the Levo SL gen2 Best bike I have ever owned. Its made me fitter and faster than ever before @48. That is either on my Cotic Roket Max or the Levo SL. If your not pushing yourself on your bike, it's not the bikes fault 😂

@geoffreybarlow7958

2 ай бұрын

@roddas26 it’s not about how hard I push it’s more the sense of satisfaction from the effort knowing I had “help”. I actually think I get a great workout on the SL still, and even on the full power bike. There’s an argument to be made that you can push at a more consistent effort for longer on the e-bike. I actually find it very similar to riding my analogue gravel bike. My point was more about how I feel after the ride in terms of accomplishment.

@roddas26

2 ай бұрын

@@geoffreybarlow7958 bummer.

E-bike for days where you're tired and just wanna go have some fun without too much effort, regular bike for when you want push yourself. Neither bike for every ride. That's my motto and I'm stickin' to it!

That's why it's great to have options

I don't own an eMTB (yet) but I have rented them when I go to Bentonville because i want to get the most out of my short time there. What I've learned from that experience is that I absolutely can't wait to get one! I have some local trails that I get gassed out on in under 10 miles. I have asthma so the climbs are awful as I gasp for air and have to rest at the top longer than it takes me to do the climb. But on an eMTB in Bentonville, the battery died (at 25 miles) before I was tired! Knee pain is another issue that I didn't experience on the eMTB. So for me, an eMTB is absolutely the right choice! I know they're not for everyone and that's ok.

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

There’s definitely a place and a people for e-bikes (all bikes, really)

In a perfect world and all bikes were free😂 I guess we could all have 1 of each with no regret.😊

I never had an Ebike but I have the same sentiment as you about an Ebike. The closest thing I have to an Ebike is a Surron and it nice to not do much work riding around but end of the day I just don't feel as much satisfaction on it. I'll stick to my Amish bike.

Totally understand your point of view. That’s why I have both. They serve me in a different way on different days. I also own FAZUA based ebike. Don’t think I would like full fat.

I have 3 bikes downcountry for speed and climb, trail bike and enduro bike. I may end up adding all mountain ebike. I cant let go of my bikes as i use it depends on mood and type of trail

@edward0

Ай бұрын

different horses for different courses

@DandyHippo

Ай бұрын

I have 3 enduro

I feel like is how I would feel. Yesterday on my local trails I passed a few people on the 2nd hardest hill on the trails on a old steel SS. They weren’t on e-bikes but they were on much lighter bikes with gears.

Great video, and i can tell you that you are right on the part of riding alone vs with a friend, i have an ebike and a regular bike and I love both, but when most your friends are in ebikes and you are in a regular it doesn't feel fun not been able to keep up the pace or for them to be waiting for me maybe if you ride with friends most of the time with ebikes you probably you would have keep it. keep up the good work Milton

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Thanks man! 👊

My first MTB was an eBike. It lowered the barrier to entry and made it so I could go to a new trail system hit hit ALL the trails. Over time though as I've gotten stronger I pick the Ripmo over the Rail 9/10 times for the same reasons you stated.

@MILTONATOR

3 ай бұрын

That’s interesting, first time hearing about e-bikes lowering the barrier to entry but it totally makes sense. Oh, and the Ripmo is a hard to beat bike 👌

Well, that’s interesting! Must be first time I hear this… Like you said, it’s about whatever works for you 👍 Cheers!

When I jumped on a Emtb(full powered) for the first time, I said to myself there is no way back now, climbs, which I hated all my life, are now a joy and I even wheelie them for fun without feeling wasted. So, Emtb for me as my one and only bike. However, I would like to see you on that HD6, seems like a proper freeride bike. Cheers!

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Good stuff man! Glad it’s worked out good for you. As for me, can’t wait to get more miles on my hd6. Thanks

I had a Levo for 18 months but ended up selling as well. Lost too much fitness and strength compared to riding a regular bike.

@noeltapia898

4 ай бұрын

your not riding the ebike like it should be ridden!!!

@currentsupply

3 ай бұрын

Same, but I didn't sell mine, it got stolen. I replaced it with a real MTB because even tho I loved the ebike, I hated how dependent I was on it.

You broke my heart Milton but I still love you bro. Can’t wait to see the HD6😜😜😜

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Mehdi, my dude! lol

@trailpimp6369

4 ай бұрын

@@MILTONATOR 🤘🤘🔥

I understand that feeling. I dont use my Ebike when I ride at Greer by my self. but I ride my Ebike if I am riding with friends on an Ebike. Cheers!!!!

I agree 100%

I myself have the same thoughs on bike parks, much less fullfulment than when I have to climb, I summ it up as consuming midlessly, vs savoring the experience. More laps isnt necessarily better, plus as others said, the tiredness factor probably pays a huge role psychologically.

Guess thats a normal diagnosis of bike enthusiasth. I am having similar issues, currently suffering with the hardtail illness few moths i love it another few moths i hate how harsh it its on the roots so I get rid of it now is the time i want it back. On possitive note its bringing us great content of yours so keep on : )

@dumwee

4 ай бұрын

You need more bikes! Problem solved 😅

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

That love hate relationship of yours with your hard tail… that’s what I fear will happen after some time without my eeb 🫣time will tell. Thanks man

Your SL is light enough. Just dial your fazua profile to make it feel like a natural bike. You can still get that struggle. 42lbs is perfect and you can still ride it without the motor on. People did before carbon was a thing

I like your opinion. I've been riding the Heckler SL for a couple of months now. I climb a lot of very ROCKY chunky climbs and with the assist I've been able to clean most all trails that I've not been able to before. My real issue is the pedal strikes that I've been experiencing. I jus bought some 155 cranks and that should solve it. I ride an Alchemy Arktos for my regular bike and will most likely keep both. What I say to people that I get more smiles per mile with the E..

@MILTONATOR

3 ай бұрын

Thanks man. We’re all wired differently and in different stages of life, even geographically. No right or wrong here. Hopefully the 155’s do the job for you

Real question, for you ebikers out there.... How do you feel when you ride your MTB ?

@jeffriley6774

3 ай бұрын

Feel fantastic, Love it more miles and smiles. More and more people I know are swapping or riding both. Only a couple hold outs in our fairly large group of friends. Only a matter of time. To each his own, just ride what you like. I have two and regularly introduce new riders to biking. Most people say it's just plain fun. Regularly ride 25 to 50 plus Miles and thousands and thousands of ft in elevation.

@currentsupply

3 ай бұрын

@@jeffriley6774 but how do you feel when you ride your MTB?

@jeffriley6774

3 ай бұрын

@@currentsupply Still enjoy it also. Don't ride it as often. Still like the lighter weight of the regular bikes and the natural feel. I do dread the extreme elevation climbs on the regular bike. They are just different. It's all good.

You’ll be back lol. I actually sold my Amish bike since I wasn’t really using it. I do ride with a bunch of full powered ebike riders and it’s crazy fun. Basically a park day on every ride. It’s almost like a Time Machine. I can ride more with less ride days which helps a lot with a busy family schedule. I do plan on getting an analog bike which will be a DH bike. Only time will tell if I’ll miss my Amish bike enough to get another one.🍻

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Haha! Yea man, i see all the fun y’all be having and I totally get it. See you on the trails

@CalaveraChronicles

4 ай бұрын

@@MILTONATOR 🍻

I have the same feeling. Heart rate is not going as high. Maybe I can ride further at the same time period.. but .. I'm not satisfied just because I covered the longer distance.

I totally understand, I dont have an ebike because I wretlle with the same idea that unless it challenges me something is mossing. This thing could be even genetic, my son loves the climbs way more than the dh he tells everyone how much fun he had on the climb. I could also agree with some of the comments how we are always seeking for the next fufiling thing since we hummans are never fully content and always seeking and if were didnt we wouldve just stop living and be wearing cavement atire.

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Well said man. Well said.

For me, I put out the same amount of effort, no matter what I’m riding. So, if I ride my EXe, I ride harder, faster and longer.

have Slash 9.8. Will get Rail 9.8 aswell and have both in my collection. I think having both is a no brainer. There is a room for both. Sometimes when you feel shit, its lots of snow etc you can use the ebike.

@DandyHippo

Ай бұрын

Get a specialized, older 2017 levos are crazy good too. Trek Rails are shit apparently

@Stockfish1511

Ай бұрын

@@DandyHippo nonsense. Got gen 4 rail 9.8 at its a menace of a bike. Its not even the top of the line model and i alreadt prefer it over my freinds newest turbo levo sl 2024. Their highest model at 16 k dollar and even more upgrades he did like ext shock. Still prefer the rail after few rides on both. Just better feel on the bike. Motor is better, bosch is powerhouse. On top of that just looks of the bike is not even comparable. Turbo Levo sl looks like shit. I didnt realize they look as bad until i saw it irl. Yeah and my friend had lots of issues with the bike on delivery, he had to return the fork because it was deffective, the tires apparently were deffective so he put on own tired from michelin. By levo if you want. But for after riding gen 4 rail and my friends 2024 turbo levo ill take my rail all day. I got my on sale for 6800 dollar and he got his for 15k plus about 3000 dollar of upgrades. If i put as much money on my rail i would get race model and all the high end parts. Not even close.

@DandyHippo

Ай бұрын

@@Stockfish1511 i've never tried, everyone just says they are shit. To me the frame is fugly. Newer levos not so cool to me neither, older ones look insnae though. Good to hear it was working for youå

@Stockfish1511

Ай бұрын

@@DandyHippo idk i never heard people calling shit. I did research on it before buying even questioned people on discord on mtb forum. Most of the people said it was an incredible bike, but i would be paying probably little extra for the brand name. So if i wanted to save money i needed to look other less known brands. For me i dont mind the extra money probably around 1000 dollar extra for brand name and looks. Still get lifetime warranty on the frame, local shop support and just easier to maintain etc. Thats what big brand offer. My friend also has yt core decoy before specialized. Used to get down to denmark to maintain the bike. The bike is top notch. Very good feel, geomtry and just modern beast of an ebike. My only issue so far is that i dont fancy the rear shock it came with. It has superdeluxe select+ and i dont like it. Its alright but i have thrushaft ultimate on my 2022 slash and its night and day difference. I bought in mind to also get either coil or vivid airshock. So its ok for me

@DandyHippo

Ай бұрын

@@Stockfish1511 i feel ya mtb is weird. On the other hand for example hayes dominion a4 has rave reviews, and on one thread everyone says they and their cousin have severe problems with it.. you can find any opinion on any product probably

I can understand the feeling of not full gratification, however, someone told me the key is to run both types of bikes so you don't get lazy. I'm edging towards getting an ebike because on the plus side, sessioning more descents by lapping more would allow me to improve faster. Less wear and tear on the body=ride more, ride longer, ride on days when regular bike rides burned me out the day before. And totally agree about tying up and expensive bike. I sold my ripley v4 for that same reason. Gotta wait and find that deal of deal$. Great video brother!

@piciu256

4 ай бұрын

I agree, my idea for an ideal set is an evoke for long adventures, which I would have trouble doing without assistance, plus a regular bike for everything else, but then again, same adventures can be had without electricity, logisitcally easier as well, just shorter, so I dunno.

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Thanks man. I’m sure you’ll find that crazy good deal soon. It’s a buyers market right now.

Not again man, lol! You sell and you sell and you disregard bikes' feelings!

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Ha! I still have my Norco, so… not all the bikes

I ride solo all the time I feel riding an ebike you need to put a goal with it like “I can hit all these trails in under 2 hours” that’s the only way to get the “burn” you need.

Watched the video. Never thought someone could sell a ebike for the reason of not being fullfilled on climbs 😱 Waiting for a hd6 bike build!

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Kinda crazy. But here I am

How much videos "why I sold?" do you have?

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

I think this is my 3rd In six years. Thanks

If only there were a button to decrease the amount of assist or even completely turn it off…. Wait a second, there is!

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

If only that button would magically reduce overall weight by about 12 lbs. wait, it doesn’t 🙂

I get it!

I found that 29ers and long travel bikes were not as fun for me due to how they muted my trails. And I found myself constantly driving out to find trails that actually justified those types of bikes... And then realized what that truly meant and what kind of trails those were. And I didn't want to start falling down that rabbit hole, especially knowing that a much more skilled rider could potentially rock up to that same trail on an XC bike or aggressive hardtail and still out ride me, ultimately. It's just hard to admit that 'underbiking' is really optimal for MOST of our riding, and then when you do get to those trails or even those single features on a trail that truly use a bigger bike... It feels weird to be owning and riding a bike just for that. Conversely, riding a trail that is ONLY those features is a crazy risky way to live so. Whether its ebike or long travel 29er, I think average trail riding for the average rider is best done on an average trail bike. It just sucks that it isn't necessarily easier/cheaper to rent a bigger bike when you plan for a harder ride (as is common with bike parks and DH/enduro rentals).

I ride my manual Nomad at Bike Parks as they are not Ebike friendly....and ride by Ebike on back trails...it works great...

I’m really hoping I still want to ride my regular Nomad bike after getting my ebike that I just ordered. I went full ebike hoping I’ll still use my analog bike as well. I’m not a climber and usually my first few climbs is where I’m questioning the fun but then after I get warmed up it’s not too bad but mostly I just love the lighter bike feel going down. And at the end of the ride you do have a lasting euphoric feel from the endorphins, it’s easy to be lazy but the extra work can be rewarding. So I’m hoping that’ll inspire me to still ride the regular bike and then use the full ebike for longer all day adventures or extra laps or before work rides when I’m pressed for time. I thought about the SL route but I think then it wouldn’t be enough for the big days and would instead be more a replacement for my regular bike, also they don’t have a bullit SL so that made it easier to choose lol.

@MILTONATOR

2 ай бұрын

Congrats on the new e-bike! I’d be interested to learn how it all turns out for you

Hello! I ride 20% electric and 80% conventional bike. E-Bikes are a little bit like my dirtbike. I need less legpower. Normal bikes bring me to my limits, and offers more traing effects for me. If somebody only likes cardio trainig an E-Bike would be enough. E-Bikes are great for rehabilitation after broken legs. So I had in January. Regards, Wolfgang

You will come back to e bikes I assure you but everybody to their own

What can you do when you love both?!

okay, i think if you need the ebike reverse on the trails and for cross country touring you'll never want to get back on an analog bike. the ebike is not meant for downhill riding or shuttle service. good luck.

I was the opposite Don’t think I care to ride my regular bike ever again! My levo is just to much fun!

Maybe it’s just that the Fluid is just that good of a bike.

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

After one year I can say with certainty the fluid exceeded my expectations.

I am planning on buying an e-bike in a few weeks mainly due to most of my friends changing over to e-bikes and I am concerned this feeling could happen to me as well

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Oh man! Hopefully not, only time will tell but I think it’s different if you ride with friends more often than not. All the best

@BowzKnows

4 ай бұрын

Now you can race them up and down! Honestly I love my ebike and I push it to the limits when I'm climbing, it's an absolute blast!

@HumberGarcia

4 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t be too concerned about that. I never really wanted an E bike until I found a really great deal on one. Now I’m so happy that I have an E bike. Milton is a beast and he enjoys working hard for the downhill. I’m a fat adrenaline junkie, so I prefer the joy of the downhill without the struggle. I still get a workout, but I can get a lot more miles for my effort.

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

@@HumberGarcia 🤘🤘

@lee.j7077

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I do enjoy the feeling of getting to the top of a mountain but I guess I can put it in low power and still get a good workout

Fully understand your not feeling the ebike love. I've joined the ebike crew (full fat) mainly because all my riding buddies did, and I couldn't keep up. I miss the endorphins, the lighter handling and the quietness (ebikes are rattle traps). I wouldn't care if they all decided to go back to mtbs and I'd love to pick up an HD6, but I can't see it happening; everyone I ride with is so wedded to their motors...

same

What a sook. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.....

@MILTONATOR

2 ай бұрын

Why you mad tho 😂

My man is crazy lololol , but he's an hones crazy. There is a place for both for sure. But this DOES NOT SURPRISE ME. Do you Milton. See you out there.

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

LOL! See you on the trails my friend.

Sounds like you need better trails with harder hills!

Different strokes. I don't really derive any sense of satisfaction/accomplishment from having climbed a hill - by my own power or otherwise. It's like when I jog to the park to do calisthenics. I'm not doing it for fulfilment - it's strictly for fitness, for utility. I also just get incredibly bored by a long, slog of a climb. I'm the kind of person who will jog/run from point A to B instead of walking simply because I'm impatient. E-bikes definitely fit my personality better, lol.

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

lol You might be on to something here; correlation between personality and bike (type)

Thanks for sharing! Glad you are able to recognize what you like and go for it. "Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life” (Proverbs 4:23). A lot of people apply this quote to relationships but if your heart enjoys climbing, then it is something to treasure as well. More blessings to you!

@MILTONATOR

4 ай бұрын

Love that verse brother. Thanks for sharing

@mtbjoser

4 ай бұрын

@@MILTONATOR Right on! And ride on!

I commiserate NOT AT ALL. Look.... u either appreciate the "assist" or u don't. Don't make more of it than there is.

Maybe try not using boost modes 😂. You can easily turn down the power in all modes on most bikes, so you could easily turn the power down to enable you to put more effort in on the ride. But like everyone else has mentioned, your reasons for selling are complete bs.

lol, I know exactly what you mean here. You couldn't keep it for them days your tired and pressed for time?

You were bored because you were on a fake e-bike, low-powered e-bikes do not offer the thrill and abilities of the full power ebike can offer. I have ridden both. I love riding my regular bike and get plenty of good hard workouts but when I want to just go have fun and blast things that I could never do on a regular bike you have to have a full power.

150 miles? Clearly yu dont ride much but heres an idea if yu want a tough climb switch the motor off enjoy!

SC gets too boring for him 😂😂😂

This guy 😂

Nice video, but I think you hurt a lot of feelings. 😆

@MILTONATOR

3 ай бұрын

Thanks. Sure looks like it 😅

So you can buy another bike, duh. 😂

Aggravating video sorry to many cuts and edits. E-bike can bring just as much if not more satisfaction if you want it to it’s all about the rider

You sound very shallow. Emtbs are very fun, you just don't like mountain biking in general.

@MILTONATOR

20 күн бұрын

@@kevinburke1325 😂

Man this is pretty bullshit

Maybe you should quit mountain biking.