The Miami incident is getting gut reactions because the woman was beloved by the community. If the kid collided with a homeless person riding a bike without a helmet and the homeless person died, I doubt that an emergency council meeting would be called.

@DriverJ-N

4 ай бұрын

Exactly 100%

@UFOpilot.

4 ай бұрын

you right about that. PEACE.

@alaska-bornfloridaman

4 ай бұрын

Truth. Common sense needs to prevail.

@mxracingunlimitedltd7784

4 ай бұрын

We wouldnt even know about it lol.. Thats not Newsworthy these days lol

@sitdowndogbreath

4 ай бұрын

The privilege is too loud these Rich morons need to check their privilege at the door

In Florida you can ride a motorcycle without a helmet but this city is banning ebikes? What a bunch of clowns

@LindaMerchant-bq2hp

27 күн бұрын

Yet homeless on opoids are allowed??

You can definitely tell there's too many Karen's there.

@mattmatter5643

4 ай бұрын

That’s pretty much all key biscane is though it’s a regular karentopia

@davidhunternyc1

3 ай бұрын

Yep, even the guys were Karens.

@TheTrailRabbit

2 ай бұрын

Someone died

that lady that was boo'd and escorted out has an instant win lawsuit. they were not allowed to make her leave or trespass her at a city meeting

@johnmckenzie1712

4 ай бұрын

Incorrect. She had 3 minutes to speak... she exceeded the time and was asked to leave. She resisted. She was also escorted out for her own safety. She was standing 10 feet from the victim's family when she blamed the victim for her own death.

@alex-il2eg

4 ай бұрын

​@@johnmckenzie1712Stating a lack of personal respinsibility someone had that could have saved their life is not blaming.

@sharynbicknell1107

4 ай бұрын

Little do these ignorant people know is history. Shut down your opposition will bring back the Bolshivek Bluecaps.

@GarudaLegends

4 ай бұрын

What kind of electric bike was the kid riding?

@johnmckenzie1712

4 ай бұрын

@@GarudaLegends Class 3... looked like a motorcycle

I have severe COPD and I purchased a e bike last summer. It has given me so much joy to get out and enjoy the freedom to ride around and have some independence again. I don’t know what I’ll do if my city banned e bikes. My world would get a lot smaller.

@CalcioReLenatore

3 ай бұрын

Ride on brother. Kids should be required to pass safety tests. Then these incidents will happen less often.

Disgusting police removing a woman who brought up the FACTthat the victim was not wearing a helmet

@bachphan7621

4 ай бұрын

And the lady who was pointing out the fact seems rather peaceful and just voiced her opinion.

@sitdowndogbreath

4 ай бұрын

I just wonder if it was for her own safety I don't know I mean the crowd sound like it was getting really rowdy

@user-wn6hh4dy8c

4 ай бұрын

Was the forensic report on the dead woman released?

@sitdowndogbreath

4 ай бұрын

@@user-wn6hh4dy8c trying to bury it

@WilbertIsRandom

4 ай бұрын

I think the reason she was escorted and booed is because she said that she wouldn't have died if she was wearing a helmet. She made it sound so 100% and I think she should have said it more softly by saying she probably would not have died if she was wearing a helmet. I think that's part of the reason why she got that strong negative reaction.

Fire and police responded to the accident at 7:05 p.m. Wednesday. at the intersection of Hampton Lane and Woodcrest Road, Police Chief Frank Sousa said. Miami-Dade Police said the 12-year-old boy was riding north while Andrews was heading south. “Both individuals collided in the middle of the roadway causing them to fall,” said Det. Argemis Colome in a statement. There is something fishy about this. How did they not see each other? Were they riding at night without lights? Did they both ignore the four way stop? Obviously it wasn't a 5mph collision. The fatality comes after elected leaders and Village staff struggled for the last two years to find a solution to the growing safety hazard on the island posed by micro-mobility devices operated by children. They are pushing a political objective, and not looking for a solution, and the facts leading up to the accident. Shame on the mayor. He should be sued by every resident for abuse of office, and impeached!

@mxracingunlimitedltd7784

4 ай бұрын

She had no Helmet on. You could land the wrong way in a 10mph crash and die if you hit certain parts of your head, etc. Plus she was on a Bicycle at night and no bikes come with any lights or anything. Just the crappy reflectors, that fall off. Guaranteed she blew threw the stop sign to not have to slow down and he prob slowed down slightly and took off again bc its easy to do with the electric or he went through as well, and they probably saw each other when it was already too late.. Maybe the both of them swerved the same direction, and still collided.. Did she hit anything after she fell maybe to make it fatal?

@wesduff7075

4 ай бұрын

She had no helmet on, she had no headlight. Also, major roll in it all. Legally you are supposed to walk bike across roads. All kinds of illegal crap on woman's behalf. Kid shouldn't have been on ebike. But his only true flaw was riding across road.

@SCPVIDEOPRODUCTION

4 ай бұрын

Abuse of power. Bigger agenda coming.

@wulphg4282

4 ай бұрын

Ty for this. And you bring up some good points as well. I, too, was wondering about the lights, bc how did they not see each other?? It is natural for a person to avoid lights coming at them, so did they just so happen to try to avoid in the same direction, and that is how the collision occured? Did the female on the regular push bike not stop at the stop 🛑 sign? Because I know how difficult it is, sometimes, to get started again after a full stop on a bike (push or electric). Anyways, still too many actual details missing.

@wesduff7075

4 ай бұрын

@@wulphg4282 that's the weird part to me. I know she had to have seen his headlight. Makes me feel like she was probably gonna be a Karen and block his path to talk crap. Happens to me at least once a month.

I ride my manual bicycle on the sidewalk all the time because I do not want to get run over by someone on their phone. However, I always slow down in congested areas and yield to pedestrians and other traffic.

@stephenreed9631

4 ай бұрын

You can still get run over on a sidewalk by someone entering the roadway or someone making a turn. In fact it is harder to see a bicyclist on a sidewalk compared to in the road. You need to ride defensively or if you don't want to risk riding in the road, then don't use a bike.

@Magnarmis

4 ай бұрын

@@stephenreed9631 I ride defensively on the sidewalk. I ride as if I am completely invisible no matter what. To me the cars are like AI drivers from old video games where it is your responsibility to not get hit even if you are in the right. I expect no cars to see me, stop every time a car is about to pull into the main road or just turn up the road they are coming off of and cross several feet behind them.

@CalcioReLenatore

3 ай бұрын

Me too brother!🚴🏼

Community full of retired eldery sick of kids riding e-bikes on the sidewalk. Easy to get a unanimous vote. They looked FERAL in the eyes. But its all driven by emotion. And who gave little kids e-bikes in the first place. Most e-bikes won’t sell to under 16 etc

@BenStenson

4 ай бұрын

Mom and dad

@wesduff7075

4 ай бұрын

Yep parents should be responsible for stupid kids. Not the public

@ziploc2000

4 ай бұрын

Florida specifically removed the age restriction on eBike riders in 2020. Key Biscayne is not a big town, no need for these kids to not ride regular bikes, but their parents shelled out for them anyway.

@wesduff7075

4 ай бұрын

@@ziploc2000 I can tell you don't ride an ebike. There's ALWAYS a reason to enjoy feeling young without wearing yourself out lol

@ziploc2000

4 ай бұрын

@@wesduff7075 I do ride an eBike, daily since late Nov 23.

“Never let a crisis go to waste”: Rahm Emmanuel

One annoying thing with things like this is the fact that a lot of decisions seems to be based on a lack of proper understanding and proper knowledge. People guess to much. You should not believe that something is in a certain way, you should know.

@chrismadison305

4 ай бұрын

That is with anything people are just knee-jerk reactions and just yuck up what the media says facts or truth be damned.

@mikaeljacobsson1437

4 ай бұрын

@@chrismadison305 Even worse with the adult day care center called Facebook where lazy people only get things from their small friend group. Making up stuff and talking as if it was real. ;)

I wonder how the people booing the lady feel about gun laws.

@dwalter8508

4 ай бұрын

@ridewithme1098 I get that. Just curious where the lines for them are drawn between what and what shouldn't be banned.

@dwalter8508

4 ай бұрын

@ridewithme1098 I completely agree with you. I'm just a curious person🤔 But as you pointed out, it seems as though they want to ban the bikes no matter the evidence. I completely understand the need for battery safety and following the rules of the road. Maybe all the people I see driving cars and just rolling through stop signs without a second thought should be scrutinized as much as this tragedy has been. Again, I completely understand and agree with you. Especially with the need for more cycling infrastructure. What would happen if that poor boy (because I'm sure he's probably not doing well currently) was riding an analog bicycle with the same incident playing out? Like I said, I'm just curious and like to ask questions in hopes of understanding things better. I appreciate what you do.

@a530demon

4 ай бұрын

My condolences to the lady who lost her life, it shouldn’t have happened…I wish the news outlets could be more specific about how they collided, what were the kid with the helmets injuries etc… if scooters had ammunition they would never consider banning😂

@Alex_Riddles

4 ай бұрын

Look at all those people in the same room. If they would just ban public assembly, we wouldn't have all these mass shootings. (EXACTLY, the same logic)

@turtle19dad

4 ай бұрын

They’re the ones blaming the gun. Or the fat people blaming the spoon.

Ebike is like the most peaceful transportation and so much fun. These people need a life. Ebikes is the new scapegoat now? Smh

@sitdowndogbreath

4 ай бұрын

That's why I hate these rich p ricks

I said it before and I’ll say it again. If you really care about your municipality passing unfair or over reaching eBike laws and regulations, you better get to your town hall meeting when they come up and protest and speak up against it to your local politicians. You gotta fight for your rights! 🤨

@sitdowndogbreath

4 ай бұрын

And look what happened to that lady They took her out

@cryptiedan

4 ай бұрын

They still won't do anything

@Bobster986

4 ай бұрын

@@cryptiedan then live with their decision.

@Bobster986

4 ай бұрын

@@sitdowndogbreath one person in a group of emotional friends and relatives? When the topic comes up again, be there with a hundred eBike supporters, all of you make your argument, be intelligent, use psychology, don’t be insulting.

@Right.To.Resistance

4 ай бұрын

@@sitdowndogbreath I always see two kind of people. When the mass shooting happen, some people said gun kill people, so ban a specific model of gun. Another kind is said fact, and try to figure something. The result is always similar, and second type of person always be banished from the group.

9:24 That is a good point. Folks who benefit from owning an E-bike, even if they did nothing wrong; are going to be effected by the ban. Sad situation no matter what angle you look at it.

@isaiahwelch8066

4 ай бұрын

Actually, what the council did was unlawfully discriminate against E-bikes because of a 12 y.o.'s negligence. The woman died because of her own poor choices, not because of that 12 y.o. child.

She was an educator and an educator of special needs children; Yet she failed to do or ignored the risk assessment riding a bicycle in the dark requires and wear the proper safety equipment. She knew better. A helmet would have saved her life. No mention of whether the bikes were lighted. E-bikes usually come that way. I ride motorcycles, bicycles, both road and mountain and now an e-bike. The more times you fail to acknowledge what a proper risk assessment tells you to do the odds increase that something bad is going to happen. An extreme knee jerk reaction: and an extremely poor display of Leadership by example by the adults an on to handle a very delicate situation. Immaturity knows no bounds anymore.

@sharynbicknell1107

4 ай бұрын

Take responsibility for your own actions. That 12 year old did not drive up into her yard and kill her. I see pedestrians cross through and intersections all the time believing the stop light or sign will stop the cars.

This was inevitable. In my area ebikes were hailed for older people to get around and exercise. Allot of hills and trails.

Just another way to keep their hands in out pockets

Well done bringing this issue here are some notes. By the way at peak 750 watts an e-bicycle generates no more wattage than a regular youthful rider can generate on a regular Bicycle. E-bikes are remarkably more efficient than electric cars in terms of energy consumption and emissions. Let’s delve into the details: Fuel Efficiency: An e-bike study conducted by Walk Bike Berkeley found that e-bikes achieve a fuel efficiency of 2200 to 3800 miles per gallon equivalent (MPGe). In comparison, all-electric automobiles achieve significantly lower efficiency1. To put it in perspective, e-bikes are 20 to 35 times more efficient than electric cars when it comes to miles traveled per kilowatt-hour (kWh) of energy consumed1. Environmental Impact: E-bikes are better for both individual and community health, traffic congestion, and infrastructure. They produce much less carbon than electric vehicles (EVs). E-bikes have lower particulate matter emissions, encourage exercise, and reduce the underlying cause of most traffic fatalities and severe injuries (high mass, high velocity cars and trucks). Additionally, e-bikes take up less space on streets and in parking, facilitate emergency evacuations, and reduce road wear1. Overall Efficiency: An average e-bike requires only about 10% of the energy needed to operate a standard car. E-bikes are approximately six times more efficient than rail transit2. In summary, e-bikes offer a greener, healthier, and more efficient alternative for short-distance travel, making them a big winner in the realm of zero-emissions transportation. While electric cars have their place, e-bikes provide an achievable and attainable climate solution right now for many people13. End. I have the source material related.

Sad that she lost her life like that but if she’s going to be labeled as an avid cyclist, then I totally agree she should’ve had a helmet on ! I’ve never been to Key Biscayne Florida. I don’t know the logistics of the roadways. Growing up as a kid we always rode our bicycles safely in the streets, and not on the sidewalks. If parts of that community have dedicated green lanes, then all the cyclists should be in those green lanes. I agree with what people are saying if she was hit by another motor vehicle, would they have banned motor vehicles?

@ziploc2000

4 ай бұрын

I looked up the exact intersection where the accident happened on Google Maps, it takes 30 seconds. Where Hampton Lane meets Woodcrest Road. Check out the total lack of street lighting. Do you think that has an effect on road safety?

@isaiahwelch8066

4 ай бұрын

Banning E-bikes because this woman was killed, is like banning guns because someone involved in an armed robbery was shot and killed.

That must be a rich area for all those kids to have e bikes.

@denniebone388

4 ай бұрын

It's a well to do neighborhood.

@sitdowndogbreath

4 ай бұрын

Yes they are rich p ricks over there

Has anyone considered what the 12-year-old boy is going through? Now I am not in favor of 12-year olds riding ebikes. But the mental trauma that he is experiencing will probably affect him for the rest of his life. The reaction by the towns people and the mayor is nothing more than a vendetta against those who ride ebikes. Human behavior caused the accident, not the ebike.

@cryptiedan

4 ай бұрын

Agreed, no, no one has considered the 12 year old. They all think he's a young punk and that ebikes are the killer.

I can't believe that a community is going to banned ebikes. I aw it on the news and it's unfortunately that the lady lost her life. But she should've worn a helmet. Now people in that town are taking away fun. I own a scooter and I always wear a helmet. Parents who spent $1,000's of dollars on a ebike and now the community wants to banned them because of an accident. That's is crazy.

@Blight_750

4 ай бұрын

Agreed 100%

@Mrdsmith500

4 ай бұрын

@rohandhanota9944 I'm almost 64, old person to you I assume. I have an ebike and so does my 59 yo wife. Ebikes for any age is a good thing. As long as there is responsible riders and we have reasonable laws.

@ericolens3

4 ай бұрын

​@Mrdsmith500 i agree im 34 and it was my mid life crisis purchase, lol. buy for older folks, they can ride further without riding as hard. for younger folk they can ride faster for me, i just dont want a motorcycle cuz its too fast for me. Mine only goes up to 20 something, 30 down hill if I'm peddling hard. sadly I had a blow out, so i gotta change the rear tire where the hub motor is. so i had to walk a 65 pound bike home, and the neighbor with a pick up truck picked me up on the street just 1 before my own street. (7 mins left, 2 min drive) but i had already put in 15 mins of walking. so yeah, bring extra inner tubes and tools to swap it out.

@Right.To.Resistance

4 ай бұрын

@rohandhanota9944 I'm somewhat very agreed with you. I ride motorcycle, e-scooter, and e-bike, and the reason to start to ride e-mobility was a noise complain in the night time. Our area made a noise ordnance few years ago, and after 11pm, I usually ride an E-things. And I think every situation of this is really stupid. I'm not the eco friendly guy, so does not care about the CO2 issues not as much as the other guys, but I remember, many people were positive to the E-bike and scooters just an years ago, and then, they turned their mind to against. It seems a tragic comedy, and seems like some politician tried to sucking money from the people who want to ride an e bike, with the word of "regulation, license and registration". Is that worth? I'm really do not think so.

@sharynbicknell1107

4 ай бұрын

I am 64 and this is nothing more that a bunch of ignorant people wanting control. Just wait folks when the control comes down on you! Shouting down on opposition to your views was practiced by brown shirts in Germany.

I really want to know what happened with this case. Was the kid on an eBike going 50 MPH? Was there confusion on how to pass one another. Most e-bikes have lights on them, Did the other bike have a light? Could a helmet saved her life? So many unanswered questions. Technology has been a part of our lives for a long time. Change is always happening. Can electric mobility saves on power consumption and gasoline usage? Most definitely. A bike, scooter, takes less space than one person in a car. Infrastructure needs to be looked at. For micro mobility this is the future. But anything new people get upset because of change. Government only focuses on tax revenue. This will be an issue for sometime. But I feel the e mobility is here to stay. Cars have a place but so does electric mobility. Let’s work on figuring out how to work together.

I get passed by spandex dudes all the time, going quite a bit faster than me. I usually do 15 to 16 mph

@devengudinas1649

4 ай бұрын

Those are also called cyclists or no e bike riders.

@dwightnearing1652

4 ай бұрын

Are there restrictions on where the cyclists ride at over 20? I don't think there ever has been and if it's the speed that is the issue, that type of riding should be regulated and /or restricted too.

@George-nt8uw

3 ай бұрын

@@devengudinas1649 So?

12 year old on an e-bike? One wonders what class it was. Also one wonders what would be the reaction if it were a car, motorcycle, golf cart, or even if it were another bicycle?

@NatsumeKonno

4 ай бұрын

It's a reg ebike most likely 750w or under. Not a talaria or sur ron.

@notfitforhumanconsumption503

4 ай бұрын

Yea I figured. I was more curious if it is a class 1,2, or 3. I do have to wonder what kind of parent gives an e-bike to a 12 year old.@@NatsumeKonno

@BenStenson

4 ай бұрын

Most companies would only sell to 18 and up so how did he get his hands on the bike Mom and DAd

@wulphg4282

4 ай бұрын

In my state, there are regulations on the speeds of the e-bikes (whether it requires a licence plate and license to ride it). I love the point that the host brought up, though - you can reach the speeds of a regular bike with pedal power! If it were a regular push pedal bike that the 12 yo was riding that collided with this lady, would the outrage be as bad?

@isaiahwelch8066

4 ай бұрын

What class of E-bike the kid was on is irrelevant. Why? Because there would be no outcry had anything else been the thing that killed the woman. Had any other conveyance been involved, this wouldn't have even made the news. But "because 12 y.o. on E-bike," it somehow does? Change E-bike to "minibike," and nobody would bat an eye over this, I guarantee it.

Tax Grab. all about the money..

@stxrobstar

4 ай бұрын

..and the control. Government and the collectivists who depend on it can't resist meddling.

@sitdowndogbreath

4 ай бұрын

There's one way in and out of that place so far it's through a toll but not for pedestrians bike riders

@deshawnbrayboy

4 ай бұрын

Yup

@insidejokes8893

3 ай бұрын

​@@stxrobstar government wants us dependent on gasoline

There is another problem which I just read about for ebikes. Insurance companies are cancelling bike shop's insurance because ebike batteries are a fire hazard. When you put this together with new laws regulating ebikes. Registration, licensing, insurance requirements. The future for ebikes as we now know them appears to be coming to an end. It is a shame. I own one & it looks like the ability to use it will soon come to an end.

@ziploc2000

4 ай бұрын

Badly assembled batteries and mistreated batteries are a hazard. Properly constructed and managed batteries are not.

@isaiahwelch8066

4 ай бұрын

Actually, E-bike batteries have no more risk from fire than does any fossil fuel, or battery type other than lithium ion. Furthermore, anyone owning an E-bike really has nothing to worry about, because any licensing, registration, or insurance schemes won't work. Too costly to enforce, too costly to comply with. Believe me, in the town I live in, there used to be a licensing and registration requirement for bicycles as far back as the 1970s. My mom had to get a bicycle license delivering papers. Nowadays, law enforcement doesn't even touch the issue, because of how many resources are wasted in doing so. And we have more minibikes than anything here. We have a couple of Enduros I see once in a while, and the guy who lives next door to me rides a gas scooter. At no point is anything other than the Enduro required to have anything remotely similar to a license for it. Which means at the end of the day, nobody is going to comply with any kind of inconsistent or overbearing E-bike regulations. I know I won't.

@NicholasMackris-iq5uh

4 ай бұрын

@@isaiahwelch8066 Thanks for the reply I hope you are right. If you remember prohibition back in the 1920's. The govt. tried to overlegislate & ban alcohol. That didn't work & I don't think this type of legislation will either.

I am a lifetime cyclist who lives in Canada. I custom build ebikes as well as ride . There are innsufficient bike lines here that run parallel to major road ways. This us a major problem. I say that bikes electrically assisted or not Re good for the enviroment as well as the economy. A lot of motorists do do recognize a bike as a vehicle to be used ad transportation but ad a toy and refuse yo share THEIR roads with others. Bikes are the way of the future. Build safe lines for them to be in and they will stay iff the side walks keeping everyone safe. Thankyou.

@wulphg4282

4 ай бұрын

Exactly!! Cars have lanes everywhere. As the electric vehicle trend appears to be increasing over the years, maybe it is time to build lanes for the smaller, more portable electric vehicles that are becoming more popular. (Imagine a traffic jam of e-bikes, scooters, skateboards, etc 😅😂😊 )

@isaiahwelch8066

4 ай бұрын

Actually, no one class of people, i.e., car owners, own the roads in the US. Why? Because the only roads restricted from bicycles using them are limited-access highways. All other types of roads require motorists to give bicyclists, including E-bikes, the consideration and respect as any other road user. Fact is, bicycles and E-bikes have the same right to the road as even a horse and buggy does. Which means this "infrastructure argument" is a red herring, just like arguments about the motor size, power output, or even speed limitations. Why? Because none of those arguments matter. What does matter is people realizing bicycles have been on North American roads and streets for just as long as cars have been, and because they have that long a history, that the only regulations needed are to adhere to the Rules of the Road. That's it. Nothing else required.

@marisraskovs3565

4 ай бұрын

Building lanes for ebikes is not a priority for a bancrupt government !!! Instead a priority is increasing defense budgets around the world to get us KILLED !

If the kid was on a regular bicycle Would they ban bicycles? And if that woman was wearing a helmet she would still be alive

If motorcycle got hit by car what are they going to do? Banned the car? This is nonsense i used my electric scooter to go to work it saves me gas money and saves me expensive car repairs. They need to take a class ebike and scooter used by people as their transportation this people cannot afford a vehicle they rely on ebike and electric scooter.

@panukornrojanasomsith3304

3 ай бұрын

Ban car instead of e-bike Cars are the one the can cause accident.

“Never let a tragedy go to waste.”

This is probably the wrong forum for this but as a motorcyclist as well as an e-bike owner, it's time to call out the manufactures - Put good brake lights, turn signals and mirrors on these bikes from the factory. Cars drivers will treat you a lot better if you look like you belong on the road.

@supernova4760

4 ай бұрын

Then get a motorcycle 🏍️ and e-bike is not a motorcycle. It is an electric powered assisted bicycle, it’s a perk

@GarudaLegends

4 ай бұрын

Not in florida.

@eparock

4 ай бұрын

well having ridden motorcycles for decades i gotta say that car drivers do not treat motorcycle riders with much respect, so i'm not sure i agree with your last statement. they are bicycles and classified as that. i suppose we should register and license and control the pedal only versions as well since plenty of folks die on those. how about just saying hey she died doing what she loved to do. i bet she is spinning in her grave over this ban.

They have banned ATV's and Dirt bikes on Philadelphia streets for over Twenty years and The police here cant chase them because they fear it would cause more damage to civilians and property than anything. So it's not gonna do much to ban them in big cities.

@slimdunkin117

4 ай бұрын

Yea bans are useless

@FloridaVolts

4 ай бұрын

I take that back if kid was in wrong they would have charged him. This is Florida folks

@wulphg4282

4 ай бұрын

Big question: what do people do when you tell them they can't do something? They find another way to do it, and sometimes that solution is worse than the initial 'problem' that led to the ban in the first place 😔

@nunyabusiness3082

4 ай бұрын

You got to ride in a large group for that to work and you have to be willing to forfeit your beloved ebikes and risk losing your driver's license. The dirt bike ATV guys have nothing to lose. The bikes are stolen and they don't care about a driver's license.

Would they ban bikes if the kid wasn't on an ebike? Better traffic management is called for but FL would rather ban ebikes? Education is a parental responsibility! In Okla City, bicyclists and motorcyclists are found dead a lot! Victims of hit and runs... Illegal drivers perhaps? So ban all 2 wheeled vehicles? Or, since Semis kill folks in 4 wheelers, ban all cars? Traffic management and training is Gov't responsibility. Parents share that responsibility when buying their children vehicles of any kind...

What were all the facts of the accident? how fast was the 12 yr old riding his ebike? what was she doing that got hit and why wasn't she wearing a helmet? She could have had a bad accident from a regular bicyclist if she was in the wrong.

I'm in central Florida. We see mini bikes racing pretty normally. I can tell you my area doesn't care what's banned and what's not.

@E-bikeguy

4 ай бұрын

Same here where I'm at in Avon park 😅

@cryptiedan

4 ай бұрын

If you care then why did you make a comment about not caring?

@F.O.GFatOldGuy

4 ай бұрын

@@cryptiedan what? English please.

@cryptiedan

4 ай бұрын

@@F.O.GFatOldGuy you're a fool I guess

@F.O.GFatOldGuy

4 ай бұрын

@@cryptiedan I'm a fool because you can't even type in proper English? Interesting.

Seems like the way this is going, the 12 year old and his family may have to leave town before the community turns on them.

@sitdowndogbreath

4 ай бұрын

Yeah but these people at this town they're real p ricks he might have to move.

@sitdowndogbreath

4 ай бұрын

@@ridewithme1098 It wasn't a blanket statement jackass I know that town

I looked it up and Florida law allows bicycles to be on sidewalks but yield to pedestrians.

@sitdowndogbreath

4 ай бұрын

As it should be but these two individuals were on the street

Plus I can't afford a car But where I work I can get 2 on a bicycle or an e-bike even quicker I don't have the money for insurance and tags and all that stuff and I work 40 hours plus a week

The Colision happened when they collided head on near the middle of the road it's not said who was the one that crossed the center line and hit the other. the 12 year old is in no way at fault and has probably suffered enough just being blamed because the woman wasn't wearing a helmet and wasn't riding on the far right of her lane

How can they say they took a vote when as soon as one person apposed, they removed them ? Seems the immediate ban was already decided the moment the victim’s husband spoke to the city mayor.

Busybodies won't quit until everyone is in a padded pod.

I'm 70 years. Instead of banning e-bikes, they should be banning anybody over 50 from riding a bicycle. Their reactions are slow and they're very fragile! That's no more absurd than banning e-bikes.

Ban Karens, it's not the Ebikes the problem, it's the age, there should be a minimum age for Ebikes, like in Quebec, the minimum age is 16 years old.

@m-pire5352

4 ай бұрын

I agree

Guns for everyone, e-bikes for no one. Ughh...

Maybe they should put an age restriction of 16 on E-Bikes

My sympathies to the friends and family of Megan. As a 54 year journalist (and an eBike owner in Arizona) I would first like to hear who crashed into whom. Did the boy hit the woman in the side or did the woman hit the boy in the side. Or did they crash in some other configuration altogether. The STOP sign appeared to have a smaller sign below it, similar to ones that say "4-WAY" under signs at intersections where all vehicles are to stop. One thing all bike riders 'must admit', is that bike riders often, often, often do not stop for STOP signs. Did either one stop? Was it a 4-WAY stop intersection. What does the preliminary police report say. I will say that several states do not permit riders under 14 or 16 on e-Bikes of ANY class. The instructions that came w/ my LECTRIC ebike says, "Intended Use... The intended use of your Lectric eBike is to be ridden by one adult rider (age 18 and up) at an appropriate time and place for general transportation and/or recreational use. Any other use is prohibited and may result in SERIOUS INJURY or DEATH." I do believe that 12 year old riders are not of sufficient wisdom, or maturity to safely ride motor driven vehicles on public roadways. Yes... I know that the eBikes are not considered to be "motor vehicles" in most states, but they nonetheless have motors, and kids will be kids, and class-3 bikes will speed along at a breezy 28 MPH. There is no reason to believe that a 12 year old would not ride it at max speed on a sidewalk. Is the council reaction a "knee-jerk" response. It would seem to be. If the police escort out anyone who speaks politely and in turn at a public meeting, but against the council's position, that's just "WRONG". I hope the woman escorted out presses for her rights, hires a lawyer, and the wrong is righted by means of punishment of the council and the individual police officers who escorted her out. Perhaps banning anyone under 16 or 18 from riding the ebikes on public roadways might have been appropriate until it is determined if the boy was at fault. All of that said... why would we expect governments to do the right thing anymore? They are all managed by self-serving individuals that will put themselves first.

@Mike Fede: As I explained on another channel, Southern E-biking, these bans are illegal and unconstitutional. Here is part of my comment I made on that channel: "@Southern E-biking: All of these bans are illegal. Why? Because they fall under liberty of locomotion, same as cars and bicycles do. Furthermore, no public institution or municipality can ban something no state has -- which means that they are usurping state legislative authority, which makes such bans null and void. Further than that, states have no power to ban E-bikes either, because they can't discriminate against one type of conveyance, and not do the same thing, i.e., ban, every other conveyance with similar characteristics. Because if that were true, bicycles could be banned because of fatal bike-car accidents. EVs could be banned because of the fire risk inherent to EV lithium-ion batteries. And those are two counter-arguments I can come up with, off the top of my head. And if I lived in any area where the Karens think they could ban E-bikes, then I would be telling the Karens they can no longer have a car, motorcycle, or bicycle. Because enforcing any E-bike ban against me without doing the same to every other private conveyance owner denies any E-bike owner 14th Amendment "Equal Protections of Law." Not to mention a state would have to ban an E-bike, as no city, town, or public university can. Doing so is illegal, to reiterate." Edit: Holy crap...I wonder if that town realizes how much liability they just opened themselves up to! One, this council just allowed the cops to violate this woman's First Amendment rights. Second, this council just discriminated against E-bike owners by removing riders because they wanted a certain outcome. Third, this council violated the Open Meeting law of Florida, which gives ANY citizen the power to petition the government for whatever reason, also under the First Amendment. Then, on top of all that, this council violated the woman's 14th Amendment right to equal protections of law, which includes the protections afforded under the First Amendment. I hope every rider that got booed and shouted down sues to not only have this council removed from office, but also sues in federal court as a class-action lawsuit for civil rights violations under 42 USC § 1983. Because seeing that is utterly ridiculous for a bunch of Karens who don't like E-bikes. Edit 2: Honestly, the "speed argument" a red herring. Why? Because first, I own a 26" 21-speed MTB that I have used to keep up with traffic on a 45 mph. road. Which means that a 28 mph limit for E-bikes, because motors and batteries, is a stupid and foolish argument to make. We, as a society, don't limit anything else by law the way the law discriminates against E-bikes. We don't dictate the regulations of cars, motorcycles, or even heavy trucks based on motor size and power output. The only regulations we have are in that context are prohibitions for limited-access roads like interstates and freeways. Those prohibitions require a minimum 125cc gas engine that is at least rated at 15 HP. That is equivalent to an E-bike rated at 11.91 kW, with battery and motor. That being said, this Florida council is honestly doing two more things that honestly, anger me to no end. First, this council is presuming E-bike owners guilty by association, because an E-bike was involved with that woman's death. This is no different than presuming that because someone owns a car, that they automatically will drive drunk or speed. It's no different than claiming gun owners by virtue of being a gun owner, that they are indirectly responsible for mass shootings. That being said, number 2, the other thing that angers me to no end, is that this council is attempting to punish all E-bike owners for a fatal accident, notwithstanding only the two people involved in the accident, were actually involved with the accident. Essentially, that E-bikes are being targeted because one was involved in a fatal accident. Yet this story wouldn't even have made the news if this woman was in an airplane crash, a fatal car accident (and not wearing a seat belt), or even if she was hit by a car, as she was walking within a crosswalk. You would not hear any outcry to ban the thing she was in or was hit by otherwise -- yet because E-bike involved in her death, they want to ban E-bikes and E-scooters. If I lived down in Key Biscayne, I would have berated everybody there for punishing me, because of me owning an E-bike, rather than the person who caused the accident. Not only that, I would have said: "If this town, this council, thinks they can ban E-bikes, then every E-bike owner and rider has the right and authority to ban cars and motorcycles. Because it is a denial of equal protections under law this council is denying to E-bike owners and riders, not to mention such a ban being a unilateral bill of pains and penalties, something the state constitution prohibits the state legislature from enacting. Now: I do not consent to this council banning my item of property, my E-bike, and I do not consent to any vote on this issue, because such a vote is, on its face, illegal and unconstitutional. As this is the case, I am fully prepared to sue this council in federal court over this issue. Because nobody has the right to ban my property without me having the right to ban the property of everyone else."

I wish they saw and the danger and put it towards the fact that the bike lanes are so bad…

Wow. Another reason to hate Florida.

@deshawnbrayboy

4 ай бұрын

Yup... and hope Florida will get removed from the USA.

100% emotional based regulations which are the worst!

Thank you for not creating click bate. How f'in bizzar not a peep about how many people die from cars... Not to mention the pollution.

Look at Paris. They have done amazing things in such a short time including pedestrianised school streets

Great unbiased video, Mike. I own a Mountain type E- bike. I would like to see an operator's license or more training for riders. Banning e bikes is the wrong approach. I do feel bad for the victims. I also own an electric truck, a Ford Lightning. It has so much power, is very heavy and very big that I have to use more caution when driving it. Point that I am making is driving a machine, whatever it is, needs to be under control. In Montana, where I live, E- bikes have been banned from off road trails. They are allowed on motorized trails. Good on your point of road bike riders having the speed capability. I really thin Florida has made a mistake in banning E-type bicycles and think more education on operating is the key to having public safety. Thanks and keep up the good work! Very nice video.

@isaiahwelch8066

4 ай бұрын

E-bike licensing is unenforceable. Why? Costs too much money, and it isn't about "public safety." It's about revenue generation. Plus, E-bikes are no different than bicycles, and no different than their gas-powered brethren, mopeds. Mopeds, like E-bikes, have pedals -- and I also know that mopeds can and will go faster than 28 mph. Yet somehow we limit E-bikes to 28 mph? The 1978 Honda moped I once owned was way heavier than any E-bike I've ever seen, yet nobody has a problem with that. And, to tell you otherwise, whether something is gas or electric doesn't matter. The type of energy that propels the thing, is irrelevant. So people like you thinking there is a difference between gas and electric, are making a mountain out of flat ground. Why? Because a gas moped, a gas car, can get just as much out of control as an E-bike or EV. Which means you make no differentiation that matters, by having more regulations for E-bikes than you would gas mopeds or normal bicycles.

That removal is certainly a 1st amendment violation, I hope they initiate a lawsuit for violation of constitutional rights

Most companies would only sell to 18 and up so how did he get his hands on the bike Mom and DAd

@jdc8352

4 ай бұрын

Yes. Parents buy things for their kids

@BenStenson

4 ай бұрын

@@jdc8352 not the point It’s like if a mom buys a gun for a kid, then complains that the gun is dangerous for everybody because of the gunshot him. The kid was like 12

@chrismadison305

4 ай бұрын

@@BenStensonClearly you are ignorant.

Man those candles are dangerous they should be banned.

This woman caused her own death by not wearing a helmet it's just that simple. The kids are smart enough to wear a helmet when their riding a bike but the adults are too stupid to do the same.

So many people are making assumptions in these comments that I stopped reading them. I have two points. #1, we need more information about the actual crash. #2 dragging that woman out of the town meeting is wrong.

It was a very sad accident but she should have had some sort of helmet on, make a ban & fines for not riding a bike without a helmet on regardless of age or sort of bike.

@alaska-bornfloridaman

4 ай бұрын

No. Florida doesn't have helmet laws for motorcycles (over 18). Damn sure shouldn't be helmet laws for bikes.

@quedorf

Ай бұрын

@@alaska-bornfloridaman Just because Florida doesn't have helmet laws for motorcycles is not an argument against helmet laws for bikes. Its an argument for helmet laws for motorcycles.

Ebikes should not be banned, but lets use some common sense. No one under 16 should have one.

I do not think 12 year old should be riding a heavy, fast ebike. Should be an age restriction. The woman was wrong not to be wearing a helmet.

🗣️ “Monthly payments💸” does NOT bring people “back” from the dead.

They need to ban cars because there have been numerous accidents leading to deaths..🤷‍♂️

Too old...and too young...simply... But we get this instead.

Why not have e-bike lanes?For the right to travel !Do not give away your rights to travel!

So there was no concern for the 12-year-old snd his mental health after having to know that he was involved with this fatality and I have to agree that the fatality was because she was not wearing a helmet. That is a very important fact.

My opinion would be to change ebike driving laws to 18 and if this type of incident happens they can be held accountable for their actions just like a normal driver would be

We all know the risk of riding with no helmet!

Kids should not be on E-bikes.

Or maybe instead of banning them, just start giving people tickets for being stupid.

Could have happen on a bicycle! Think before coming up with some bullshit excuse!

@edteach3r

4 ай бұрын

True, but a kid would not be traveling that fast on an acoustic bicycle on a level road.

@championssportsbar

4 ай бұрын

@@edteach3r doesn’t matter the speed, if you hit your head it could happen. Doesn’t matter there was an E-BIKE involved.

Imagine if she was hit by a car or truck they would try to ban them also. And not bring up the fact that she wasn’t wearing a helmet. 🤦‍♂️

Bro, this is great content and coverage. I appreciate the insight. Any way you can work on equilizing the volume between you talking and the news coverage? Every time you start and stop the clips, I'm heavily adjusting the volume. Just some helpful criticism.

@MikeFede

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! I will work on that for sure. Thanks again🫡

"She died because she was not wearing a helmut " .... feelings are more important than facts once again. Ty LGB...

I'm a cyclist also and can do 20-25mph on the bike trails consistently, the thing is most people especially 12 year olds are not consistently going that fast. People on pedal bikes are much slower when it comes to average people. Ebikes change that to everyone going fast so there will be more horrible accidents. 12 year olds do not drive cars so they should not be driving ebikes either. They should not be banned but there should be regulations. I think 12 is too young. So the parents need to take some responsibility. I was allowed to drive a dirt bike and snowmobile at 12 but it was in a field away from the public and I was always supervised mostly by my Grandpa or Dad. Cant have kids banging into people at those speeds and with the weight of an ebike.

@isaiahwelch8066

4 ай бұрын

This comment is stupid. Why? Because nobody "drives an E-bike." People don't "drive motorcycles" either. That being said, any regulations on E-bikes already exist: They're called the "Rules of the Road," which in this case, the 12 y.o. child failed to learn, because the parents failed to teach them. Furthermore, as you yourself point out, you learned how to control an ATV at 12. Which means young kids can learn to ride E-bikes safely. But that requires parents to do that, not government doing that, including a municipal government violating the law by banning E-bikes to begin with.

@theblys

4 ай бұрын

Class 1-2 ebikes are limited to 20mph. I regularly go faster than that on my non-ebike. As was previously mentioned class 3+ ebikes are the heaviest and highest powered that need the most regulations. And should not be used on pedestrian walkways. Not to mention the Surron (electric motobikes) plague thats finding these 45mph+ electric dirt bikes on pedestrian paths regularly. Which are already very illegal. Parents need to be held accountable for their child's actions.

Might aswell ban E-cars too! Or anything with an "E"!

Exactly. No definitive answers on who was at fault for the loss of this woman's life. They are only focusing on the kid hitting her and not whether she had pulled out in front of the kid abruptly... leaving no time to stop safely. So I agree that this is definitely a knee-jerk emotional reaction in an attempt to be rid of all these evil "e-bikes" for the area. This is the same thing that happens against gun owners & carrying in public areas when a "mass shooting" occurs; it's an emotional reaction that overrides people's rational thoughts when reason is desperately needed to deal with the situation instead of being driven by emotions as we see here occurring. Not all e-Bikes are the same. Some are pedal/power assist, while other types are solely operated by the motor.

This makes the fourth instance that I've heard of a person dying due to being a pedestrian hit by a bike of any kind. It's also the first time I've ever heard of someone dying from being hit by an ebike, but it is guaranteed that she was older than 50 like anyone else who's ever died in such a collision. Give bikes/ebikes the infrastructure they need so that everyone is safe and then we can talk about funding through registration for safety education programs and maintenance. For years I biked on the roads at 20+ mph in Miam-Dade, and got so much grief from motorists (saying things like "get on the sidewalk"), but I braved those conditions to avoid what happened to this woman from happening with me.

Do you need a licence to ride a Sur-ron with in Florida? I can't get a licence, drive a car anymore due to vision problems, but I need transportation... I also live in Florida I use it for work and to get food.

Good Report Mike, however, can you please increase the audio in the video clip/s. it's too low in comparison to when you speak audio... Cheers!

they went overboard, sue and ask for like 12 to 15 mph speed limits on side walks

* Put an age limit for e-bikes. 12 years old is about 9 years too young. I charge $500.00 to build ( for the unlearned) or assemble an ebike. I prefer built bikes to store bought ones. I go to the bike shop and help them pick the right bike for the conversion. I have already taken them parts shopping on the Internet. They are mostly hunting bikes. I said all that to say, I lost a two bike build. when the guy said one was for his son. I ask how old is your son? He said fifteen. I said I'm sorry sir I don't assemble e-bikes for children. As I stated earlier, 12 years old is way too young. Some adults should not be allowed to ride them either. My condolences go out to Her family. 12 years old is too young. Mack 19:14

How about banning bikes and electric scooters from the sidewalks? As a walker and e-biker myself, I always use the roadways when on my bike and get annoyed by all the bicyclists and electric scooters on the sidewalk. Is there no happy medium here?

I would only expect someone beeing escorted out of the room, if they would have really behaved bad or rude, or, if this would be in a form of dictatorship...

This is why we can't have nice things

Helmets should be mandatory... age limits on motorized bikes... Speed limits enforced... No riding on the sidewalks.... People get some common sense

A collision occurred between 2 cyclists with a death resulting. No particulars have been released but the community is in an uproar. Meanwhile elsewhere a pedestrian is killed by an automobile and is barely noted with a comment in the news.

I don't believe they should ban e-bike, e-scooter, etc. I believe they should have bylaws or laws in place that state anyone riding e-bikes, e-scooters should be 16 years of age or older. Where I live you must be 16 years of age or older, and you must wear a bike or motorcycle helmet.

@panukornrojanasomsith3304

3 ай бұрын

Ban car instead! Car is the one that causes accident

All 4 of those cops should lose their jobs and if the council members ordered her to be escorted out, they should also lose their jobs. They all took an Oath to support and defend the Constitution and that was a pure violation of her 1st Amendment Rights.

I lived in Key Biscayne from 1960 to 1962. It was low density populated and very safe as a child. I would ride my bicycle throughout the island without any worries. Paradise place to live.

Ban rents. Since rent double 78k pedestrian are hit buy vehicles. Distracted rushing around to pay rent seekers. Btw,only 6 percent are impaired.

It's perfectly legal to ride bikes on the sidewalk in Florida, so those kids were doing nothing wrong by not choosing the bike lane. That reporter at 10:35 is wrong about the very definition of e-bikes, and also wrong about the whole speed perspective. Like you say, you can hop on a good road bike and do 25mph. I've been riding respectfully in state parks going a leisurely 12mph, only to see the guys in lycra blow past children and strollers, almost knocking them over, at 30mph. I know the people in Florida need to be angry at something, but they should be angry that the woman chose to ride without a helmet. If she had collided with a squirrel and hit her head on cement, the results would have been the same.

It took 3 police officers to walk her out. What a joke!

How bout these bikes come with mirrors and turn signals and a loud horn. Not ban them and really safe bike paths what do we pay taxes for!!!!!!!

When I ride the greenline with a friend on our ebikes the only people passing us are on analog bikes!

The most glaring issue I noticed in every clip, was not a single child was pedaling the ebikes. They are riding them as if they are mopeds, which are age restricted and licensed. I have ridden through that city on my ebike, and I was passed regularly by children riding at full speed with no indication they were about to pass. It creates a dangerous situation for everyone. I don't agree with the ban, but I do agree something needs to be done to address the "moped" style of riding that is being done.

@chrismadison305

4 ай бұрын

Because they have to be pedalling the speed they can't just not use their pedals. Give me a break.

There will most likely be multiple lawsuits or a class action lawsuit brought against the town by e-bikers and e-bike manufacturers.

This situation will not end good. 🕯🕯🕯