I wanted to say 'One ring to rule them all!', but that came from your neighbours. If you copy design, do it correctly, waiting space for cars that leave the roundabout is essential, It doesn't take more space, what I see is that the circle is too big, reduce the circle for cars so they go slower and gain waiting space. This also make turning off the roundabout a little less smooth, and makes the driver aware that he/her is changing direction. Mark the cycle path and pedestrian crossing very well as priority over cars. Another thing is: Every Dutch car driver is someone who uses his/her bicycle for short trips. They know the cyclist is their wife, daughter or son, dad or mom, granny or neighbor.

@dutchman7623

3 жыл бұрын

One of the roundabouts shown in the video, but a longer, 5 minutes view, to let you see how it functions: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eIZpzpZxj8ubddI.html It is not a standard one, it has a bidirectional cycle path, and is larger than usual ones. Though signaling, lane width, color of pavement, are standard, bidirectional cycle paths are less common, maybe 10%, and you can see that car drivers have to pay extra attention. Road design is bound to strict regulations in the Netherlands: Keep the same lay-out in every situation. That makes sure that people get used to it, know what to do and what others will do. That makes Dutch traffic one of the safest in the world. More explanation: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZmWMpNx6f9DTebg.html Stay happy, stay safe!

As a Dutchie, from my own experience I can say that it is not only the road design en intersection design that makes cycling in the Netherlands safer. I think that for a good part, it is the Dutch cycling culture itself that makes riding a bike in The Netherlands safer, because everyone has been cycling while growing up. By the time you are allowed to start driving cars, at the age of 17 or 18, you already have been cycling through town on your own for some 10 years or so, hence learning the traffic hazards at intersections from a cyclist perspective. So when driving a car, you already know there are a lot of cyclists around you and where to expect them crossing the road. Hence, as a car driver, you know you always have to look out for cyclists (and mopeds) when making a turn or crossing a road.

@OnYourLeft

4 күн бұрын

Culture and education are a huge part of it. People that never have cycled will quite often see cyclists as a nuisance and a lesser class. That's a huge problem where I live.

Missing the white road yield signs on the tarmac that almost all the Dutch roundabout's have in the Netherlands, those yield signs indicate you must yield to the bicycles as a car driver.

@tr33c21

3 жыл бұрын

I remember an american asking me when he was in the netherlands why the arrows on the road are pointing in the wrong direction. i told them they are all yield signs. I don't think they will understand shark teeth in anglosphere countries

@Populiervogel

3 жыл бұрын

​@@tr33c21 Hahaha, Shark’s teeth is the direct translation of the Dutch word 'Haaientanden', off course the international word for it will be road yield signs, thanks for pointing that out!

@lucasretallack9540

3 жыл бұрын

However, in Australia the road marking for when vehicles must give way is a thick dotted line, which the roundabout does have. It would confuse drivers even more to introduce a road marking which does not exist anywhere else in the country.

@Desperado070

5 күн бұрын

@@tr33c21 Or when a biker from the village comes to a city for the first time... Those crazy big yellow things don't even stop for me :o lol

@Desperado070

5 күн бұрын

@@lucasretallack9540 Actually not, we dutchies also have the double thick and dotted line since a year or 15 which just indicate the top speed of the road you on. Nothing changes, old signs are not removed but this opens up the possibilities of removing road signs of max speed that are no longer need over 50+ years from now. It is just that changing things in traffic just takes a long time because of your driver license and what you been told and not needing to re-school. It has always been a nightmare to drive in other countries because everybody is doing it differently and that is never gonna change... Like how most countries have the road name signs after you off the roundabout, here you know everything already before you on it.

It is a mindset, in the Netherlands every motorist is also a cyclist . you first learn to ride a bicycle (3 to 4 years old) and only then to drive a car (there are plenty of people who don't have a car (like me)). Over the years, the traffic rules in the Netherlands have focused more on vulnerable road users. In the Netherlands they have been around since the 1970s, so it cannot change overnight.

@Desperado070

5 күн бұрын

A cheap car and gasoline is easily €1000+ in a year, these days even more with the new prices... lol Bread and cheese is cheaper 😉

I hope people learn to use hand signals when leaving the roundabout. Also I hope these roundabouts get further development and more implemented across the world

@Zoza15

3 жыл бұрын

If countries have reached an advanced cycling network system that is, it takes time for drivers and other road users to respect the people cycling in order for a shared roundabout to happen. In the end, its all about the change of behavior.

Interesting video, hopefully more bicycle-friendly infrastructure will be built soon

At a roundabout near mine in Perth where the bike just ends there's one of those rubber squarish speedbumps that doesn't reach all the way across the road, and you can still go fast across as long as your lined up with it properly. So people speed to try get in front of you and then cut you off to speed over the bump, not looking at the roundabout and then often slam on the breaks cause someone's coming. It's worse than if there was just no speedbump at all. Some try to overtake you when you're already in the roundabout and then panic when they realise you weren't going to veer all the way to the left of the circle to go straight.

Please make more videos!

great vid - hope to see more from you!

2:10, I felt that flutter in my belly.

Incredible videos. Please keep em coming

Looks like they have to move the bike and pedestrian crossings further back, so that cars wait past them to merge into the roundabout, without sitting right on top of them.

Its good to know that most roundabouts in the netherlands are relatively new. Before it was mostly lights, but with designated crossings for cyclists. So car drivers here are used to bike lanes and cyclists as equal participants in traffic. That could explain the ease of adoption. In my area there is a roundabout with a two way cycling around it. In rush hour its hard for cars to enter and leave the roundabout because cyclists keep entering and crossing from both side. Especially now that people are riding electric bikes, and they rush through at high speed, its becoming hard for cars to pull through.. hm 🤔 maybe i should record a video of it.

There is an other big design flaw in the Melbourne roundabouts what I can see. That is the widening instead of choking of the drive lanes entering and exiting the roundabout! If they are narrowed they will reduce the speed of motorized traffic and shorten the distance (and time it takes) for cyclists and pedestrians to cross, this will reduce conflict between them makes it safer and more efficient (better flow). In the Netherlands a lot of times the bike-lane and the pedestrian-crossing are raised creating a sort of speed bump for reducing motor speeds.

Yeah. We have three mid sized roundabouts in the south where cars and bikes don't mix. Not as perfect as the once in the Frank van Caspel example. I'm not so shabby about the north of town though. Overall there is still quite some work to do with getting the bicycle infrastructure up to date in my south west part of the Netherlands. It's not all perfect here either.

For those interested in the Dutch statistics: there are now about 6000 roundabouts in the country and about 60% of those have cycling infrastructure. Those without cycling infrastructure are basically all non accesable for bicycles.

@rajnadar6555

3 жыл бұрын

What's the plan for getting to 100% coverage for bicycles? Is the council moving at a good pace?

@aeiouaeiou100

3 жыл бұрын

@@rajnadar6555 It's not going to happen, when there is no cycle infrastructure the cycle route follows a different route and does not overlap with the road network in that place. Virtually all roundabouts that have cycling access have cycling infrastructure. You are never dropped on a roundabout in the same lane as cars.

Why the hell did they make the bike path octagonal, instead of circular?

Have there been follow-up studies to see if these roundabouts (flawed as they may be) are still saver than other regular crossings nearby?

Good video and so true, cars must take the responsibility, and the consequences, but it will take in my country Scotland a big shift we are so far behind Dutch.

From a Dutch point of view it's like someone built a roundabout (on tight budget) but didn't understand quite the design philosophy.

Why do you never signal where you are going?

It is a start. Only way is up!

So sad to see that in the places they do implement these roundabouts, it's done wrong. As you rightly pointed out: For this type of design to work the stopping line for cars should be even further back so that a car has room to stop between the bike lane and the roundabout. However, if there isn't enough space for that the bike lane should just be on the roundabout itself with protecting traffic islands.

So glad I found your channel (thanks to watching another video, which is probably from me watching channels like Not Just Bikes and City Beautiful and so on, about the UK getting a Dutch roundabout: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l5eCxdaAmdSphNo.html and then the recommendation algorithm showing me your video). Would love to see more of your videos when you want to make them! I just watched both of your videos and they were really well said.

Well you’ve got double the amount as we have in the uk, just one Dutch roundabout in the university town of Cambridge

@rajnadar6555

3 жыл бұрын

And in the US...we have none.

@Lunavii_Cellest

3 жыл бұрын

@@rajnadar6555 and here in the netherlands we have around 4 thousend roundabout with the majority of those having seperated bicycle infrastructure

Watching those collisions... Are those drivers blind? do they not see the cyclist?

You should indicate when you're leaving the roundabout. Also if you are unsure that other traffic notices you you could also signal that you're staying on the roundabout. But yeah the Melbourne roundabout looks kind of awkward, honestly they should just straight up copy the Dutch design, its been through many phases, the Dutch have learned the hard way how to build safer roundabouts. Anyway, great first step!

Eh, here is the Netherlands the cyclists do a hand signal when they leave the roundabout. Otherwise cars stop for no reason.

@brianocampo7981

3 жыл бұрын

Very common in Victoria or Australia in general is that people leave a right signal on even if driving more than halfway around a roundabout, instead of switching to a left signal or even just cancelling the indicator stalk. It's therefore quite usual to see someone enter a roundabout because a driver to their right is exiting with a right signal on, only to nearly crash with the driver behind the one with the misleading signal, because they also (correctly) have a right signal and want to continue in the roundabout.

1:50 sharrows bruh

The problem with Holland is that bikes make walking particularly stressful.

@petergibson7287

26 күн бұрын

That's not stressful. Riding a bike rather than walking is the exact opposite of stressful, and easier on the joints. Particularly if you have the right bike.

@HouseholdDog

26 күн бұрын

@@petergibson7287 I mean being a pedestrian constantly dodging bikes.

@petergibson7287

26 күн бұрын

@@HouseholdDog Then don't dodge the bikes. Get your own bike and be a part of the system. Comply.

we only not have those roundabouts. but our whole infrastructure is build around bikes. Special bike lanes everywhere. we pretty much never drive where cars drive which makes it safer as well. so a dutch roundabout will not solve all problems other country aces

There are two different types of roundabouts in the Netherlands. One where cars yield to bikes and one where bikes yield to cars. The latter has been found to lead to fewer accidents. It may be good to start with implementing the kind where bikes have to yield first because the other kind can give cyclists a false sense of safety, especially when drivers are not yet used to looking for cyclists at roundabouts.

two roundabouts , so much? let's not forget they are dutch.

That roundabout design is worse than Dutch Roundabouts, as they don't include a gap between the bike lanes and the entrance so they won't have space to wait. As in Dutch roundabouts they do.

1:26 is not all dutch roundabouts, these only are inside the villages or cities. (and in cities they rare) Outside of them you only have roundabouts that gives cars priority of cyclists. I'm dutch myself and actually get tired of these dutch know it all videos. We have some aces up our sleeves but those same aces also have huge downfalls.

Sick of half measures , get rid of roads. 100% reduction in cars.

0:32 no regard for pedestrian at zebra crossing. How are cyclists going to get more respect from motorists, when they won’t do the same to other more vulnerable road users? I commute regularly by bicycle (also in Australia), we all need to show kindness, consideration & courtesy to other road users.

No hate, but please make your voice not so monotone, sorry but it makes the video more boring than it actually is.

@mudelta4068

9 ай бұрын

No hate, but can you please punctuate your posts correctly. I am sorry, but it makes your point seem even less worthy of consideration than it already is.

Typical Australia: Copy a great design (badly) and when it doesn't work, abandon any idea of doing it properly "SeE, iT dOeSn'T wOrK fOr AuStRaLiAn cOnDiTiOnS?!" It might also help if cyclists here didn't ride everywhere like it was some race.

2:29 that is bike's fault.

@hendman4083

2 жыл бұрын

The design is at fault. You don't create a roundabout by just painting a circle in the middle. 🙄

the narrator has a very annoying voice, I almost fell asleep...

@mudelta4068

9 ай бұрын

The narrator's voice didn't annoy me at all. Unlike your post.

Dutch? no. The first country to use massively roundabouts, is not Netherlands.

@allws9683

3 жыл бұрын

So you prove your mind is stuck in 1922 and cannot complete a 5 minute video without a wandering mind. This is not about roundabouts, but about 'dutch roundabouts' with separate bike paths like in 1:26 .

@metalvideos1961

3 жыл бұрын

England introduced the roundabout. this kind of roundabouts are typical dutch.