7:55 exactly. When the number of people using the intersection is so skewed towards one side so much so that it would effect other traffic the Dutch solve the problem using other methods. Using under/overpasses for example, diverting traffic to other roads where the interactions can be better controlled or even putting down stop lights. One solution is not the solution for every situation and every situation should be looked at on it's own, you can consider one solution that worked out for a similar situation for the new situation as a starting point but in the end you need to consider the new situation on itself. Even the Dutch mess this up sometimes, but they learn and ADAPT.

@ActiveTowns

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Exactly.

As a British immigrant to the Netherlands, these road designe can be scary at first....it's all about being in the right lane.......

@ActiveTowns

Жыл бұрын

I hear you. Although I will say that I find the truly well designed slow, speed Dutch roundabouts very intuitive and easy to navigate. Cheers! John

@TimBlokdijk1983

Жыл бұрын

@@ActiveTowns Yes, and if you find yourself in the wrong lane you just need to take a loss and make a small detour. Don't do unsafe things to get into the "right" lane.

In Heerhugowaard and Obdam and ofcourse other places I see upcoming new sort of roundabouts. There where the two lanes got spit up by low roundabout thresholds. Is so great to experience that! These round threhold-seperations creates even more clearity, more safety, and even no need to stop in some occasions (than as shown here). I cannot explain. May be its nice to find a way to show this also by drone :))

@ActiveTowns

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'll see if Lennart is aware of these. Cheers! John

@Georgeth-kb6rg

Жыл бұрын

@@ActiveTowns I will try to find at least pics of it... may be my own amateurish kind of vid from my car : ) ) and send it to you if possible

@ActiveTowns

Жыл бұрын

@@Georgeth-kb6rg Sounds good. Thnx 😀

@peterslegers6121

Жыл бұрын

@@ActiveTowns It's a turbo roundabout, see for instance kzread.info/dash/bejne/kYllktWDetLMXdY.html Simulatie turborotonde volgens Royal HaskoningDHV

@ActiveTowns

Жыл бұрын

@@peterslegers6121 Thanks! Yes, much better than most North American attempts. In an urban context, I'd prefer that motor vehicles be required to yield to people walking and biking. I appreciate your contribution to the conversation. I hope you are enjoying the Active Towns Channel. Cheers! John

I think the grid city layouts in the US also exacerbate the problem. You end up having many more intersections and the are no natural big streets and small streets anymore so there's high traffic on most streets.

@ActiveTowns

Жыл бұрын

🤔 Sure. I will say that there is a great deal of variety in grid layout from city to city and in what era each neighborhood was developed (pre or post-WWII). In my mind, the main issue is that most car-oriented cities in the US (and around the globe, for that matter) are designed to prioritize the movement (the flow) of motor vehicles at speed and volume over all other mobility modes and community objectives, including health and safety, quality of life, economic vitality, sustainability, etc. Thanks so much for watching the video and contributing to the conversation. Cheers! John

How to ride a dutch roundabout : kzread.info/dash/bejne/aK6NqqOdgJvOgrQ.html

@ActiveTowns

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, @Kerleem is cool, I am subscribed to his channel, and this is a wonderful how-to-drive in a roundabout. Thanks for watching. Cheers! John

Europe not being "car friendly" still makes the best road systems than most car friendly countries. America should learn from Europe.

@ActiveTowns

Жыл бұрын

Yep For sure. Thanks for watching. Cheers! John

And still they converted the "Den Uyl plein" in Hilversum from a double lane roundabout to a crossroad with traffic lights? And they converted the "nieuwe Havenweg" in Hilversum from a fully separate bike lane towards edge lane, a road in an industrial area with 50km/h speeds and big 18 wheelers rolling up and down all day, and at the end of that same road they have soccer fields with kids soccer clubs. All these kids go there by bicycle. Not safe at all, even to me, an avid cyclist, it gives me much anxiety to cycle there. The Netherlands hasn't always got it figured out, especially when local government isn't lined up with the idea and prefers to prioritise car traffic. They really only do the legally obliged stuff here, with obvious aversion.

@ActiveTowns

Жыл бұрын

Wow! Yep, that doesn’t sound good at all. I hope the parents are speaking up in protest.

@dikkiedik53

Жыл бұрын

I worked as a police-sergeant in the Netherlands for 38 years. I've handled and protocolled some 2500 of traffic accidents during my career. For 5 years I have checked all traffic accident registration sets drawn up by my colleagues for content. I am also trained to assess decisions taken by the city council on behalf of the police and to provide advice. As a result, I also saw that a city council took a decision 30 years ago that caused a certain street to go from 2 cyclist collisions per year to slightly less than 100 minor collisions per year. Just this week I read in the news that the same street was being discussed by the city council again, because there were many accidents there. My statement many years ago: "You only need to have had primary education to be elected to a city council and to make democratically correct decisions about traffic situations, not hindered by national guidelines for road construction and traffic engineers who have studied for years."

@vincenzodigrande2070

Жыл бұрын

@@dikkiedik53 I think this addresses an international problem as well. My vote goes out to have mainly the actual traffic engineers decide what will happen and let the uneducated people first educate themselves before being allowed to make these naïve decisions. This is not just some cosmetic interest, there are actual people's lives at stake here.

@ActiveTowns

Жыл бұрын

@@vincenzodigrande2070 and @Dick Wools, One of the biggest problems we have in car-centric cities around the globe is that the professional engineers and street designers are trained to prioritize motor vehicle speed and driver convenience over all else. The result is predictable: high fatality rates of pedestrians, people riding bikes, and streets with hostile environments where nobody wants to be. Chuck Marohn addresses the channel in his new book Confessions of a Recovering Engineer: www.confessions.engineer/

@mourlyvold64

Жыл бұрын

@@dikkiedik53 Sobering! Meritocracy has it's own challenges of course, but I must say it crosses my mind when I hear stories like your's...

6:28 "Bikes get priority." What about pedestrians? I don't see any pedestrians at this roundabout. And I am all in favor of these intersections and what the Dutch has done for your country in regards to vehicles.

@irisachternaam

Жыл бұрын

There are zebra crossings where they have right of way.

@pbilk

Жыл бұрын

The pedestrians are set back from the bike crossing for safety. And if there were traffic lights that might spend more time on the car lane than they do on a roundabout because you might have turning lanes for the traffic light.

@DAVIDMILLER-nc9vo

Жыл бұрын

@@irisachternaam Thanks, I appreciate your response.

@ActiveTowns

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, not many peds in this particular remote location, but note the crosswalk location… yes, they also get priority.

@lexburen5932

5 ай бұрын

it has pedestrian crossing who has priority.