Reckon the DH in the red 4wd that perpetrators bie lane knew exactly what he was doing. Just being a A hole. You see it at traffic lights. People that don't stop behind 1st white line then stop & block the Pedestraians. Morons.
@thatsweetgoldenclimb7 күн бұрын
Great video! 🚴
@Desperado07021 күн бұрын
1:26 is not all dutch roundabouts, these only are inside the villages or cities. (and in cities they rare) Outside of them you only have roundabouts that gives cars priority of cyclists. I'm dutch myself and actually get tired of these dutch know it all videos. We have some aces up our sleeves but those same aces also have huge downfalls.
@Bazrad68Ай бұрын
I don’t ride in bike lanes in Melbourne. I only ride on bike trails and do not commute using a bike.
@Flix-f6qАй бұрын
Voice is too monotonous. Unwatchable. The club sound music does not help.
@petergibson7287Ай бұрын
The part at the end referencing the obesity epidemic is somewhat of a reach and is plain wrong. A genuinely obese person is probably very lazy by nature and is never going to ride a bike anywhere ever. Improving cycling infrastructure won't matter to them, and it won't help them.
@TeamOrbitRL10 күн бұрын
it prevents more people from becoming obese and teaches the next generation to stay active and healthy.
@SomeYouTubeGuyАй бұрын
If you coloured the pavement red instead of green you could leave the lane there and it would highlight perfectly the dangerous door zone from parked cars.
@SomeYouTubeGuyАй бұрын
Another way to look at it is to image a mum walking down it with a baby in a pram. Would she walk down the door zone path and feel safe or the segregated path? Only one of them makes sense.
@nitramluap2 ай бұрын
Typical Australia: Copy a great design (badly) and when it doesn't work, abandon any idea of doing it properly "SeE, iT dOeSn'T wOrK fOr AuStRaLiAn cOnDiTiOnS?!" It might also help if cyclists here didn't ride everywhere like it was some race.
@HelloOki8 ай бұрын
I just got a scooter. I got hit and knocked off today by a car who ran a stop sign. I've only had my scooter for 6 days. If there were car in the lane beside me, I would have been double hit and likely dead. I know I am going to die on my scooter because of obnoxious, irresponsible cars. To save lives, the car parking spaces must be on the right of the bike lane.
@smitajky7 ай бұрын
I have had a few near misses from cars parked on the right of the bike lane on the St Kilda to Port Melbourne stretch. A car driver gets out of the car but then swings open the passenger door across the bike path and pulls out a pusher for her child. Placing it across the remainder of the path and requiring a panic brake. She apologised of course. It is IMPOSSIBLE to make streets safe if you permit parking. Sooner or later that will have to be addressed. Without ANY parked cars the problem goes away. Public property with a very expensive heavy surface is too expensive to waste in this way. Off road parks MUST be both provided AND compulsorily used by everyone.
@berniasd01211 ай бұрын
just moved to melbs, and im a bit confused like sometimes there is no way to take a right at an intersection, you have to go to hte car lane which goes to the right, kinda unefficient and not sofa, but maybe i just need more to time to get the hang of it. But needless to say it is nowhere to amsterdam for example, althou adam is not a metroploice
@raclemonte68 Жыл бұрын
0:32 no regard for pedestrian at zebra crossing. How are cyclists going to get more respect from motorists, when they won’t do the same to other more vulnerable road users? I commute regularly by bicycle (also in Australia), we all need to show kindness, consideration & courtesy to other road users.
@why__die Жыл бұрын
great vid - hope to see more from you!
@jakeysnakey1880 Жыл бұрын
I used to ride to work almost every day in Melbourne. It worked wonders for my health and fitness, and was nearly 3x faster than public transport. But the number of near-misses I've had with doors, close passbys, being right-hooked etc just isn't sustainable. I've had to stop because it's just too dangerous, and I'm going to get myself killed sooner or later if I keep it up.
@mentorrrr Жыл бұрын
And people say Melbourne is a bike friendly city. There’s so many opportunities for Melbourne to be a great walkable, bikeable and liveable city.
@Magooch865 ай бұрын
lol I just watched a video of a Singaporean man praising our bike lanes. Usually we venerate Singapore for their infrastructure. I guess none of us will ever be happy.
@kramasmusic8731 Жыл бұрын
I personally love to ride in Melbourne on these lanes . I think it makes riding interesting and fun but I can see why people might not feel safe as well.
@MaxMautner Жыл бұрын
I just visited Melbourne, but didn't step onto a bike. Thanks for the video footage, I hope more protected bike lanes get built.
@seanjohnnn Жыл бұрын
Please make more videos!
@acceleratedsloth Жыл бұрын
Why do you never signal where you are going?
@HouseholdDog Жыл бұрын
The problem with Holland is that bikes make walking particularly stressful.
@petergibson7287Ай бұрын
That's not stressful. Riding a bike rather than walking is the exact opposite of stressful, and easier on the joints. Particularly if you have the right bike.
@HouseholdDogАй бұрын
@@petergibson7287 I mean being a pedestrian constantly dodging bikes.
@petergibson7287Ай бұрын
@@HouseholdDog Then don't dodge the bikes. Get your own bike and be a part of the system. Comply.
@gbrowne890 Жыл бұрын
I use the bike lane just like cars do: when it's convenient
@MrTripleXXX Жыл бұрын
Annnd this is why when riding my bike I usually stick to the footpaths. I don't care if it's "illegal". Some of these bike lanes are fucking dangerous.
@_Only_Zuul2 жыл бұрын
i stopped riding my bike years ago out of fear of getting killed by a car, and rightly so.
@LauraSeabrook2 жыл бұрын
Having watched several NOT JUST BIKES videos I can tell what the problem is just by the preview! I rode bicycles for many years I know that car drivers do NOT watch out for bike riders in bicycle lanes. Painted ditches are no solution.
@sg73922 жыл бұрын
A lot of places in Melb their is a 60cm wide cycle lane next to a 3-4 M wide footpath. Put the cycle lane on 1m of footpath. Cyclists and cars have never been a good mix in Melb and never will. I think separation is the only safe way.
@wosamosman98142 жыл бұрын
Designed by people who never rode bikes ever 😂😂😂
@beaudjangles2 жыл бұрын
I actually feel safer cycling in my hometown of Morwell (regional vic) because I just take the lane whereas in melbourne I had to use the bike lane and risk getting car doored. However, getting between towns out here is absolutetly horrific, I would only wish it on Putin.
@jaslueasi5542 жыл бұрын
1:50 sharrows bruh
@idromano2 жыл бұрын
*Unprotected bike lanes are like a highlighter pen: they help citizens note the cyclists that already cycle there.* But won't really attract anyone until you have some level of protection.
@wilwulpje56842 жыл бұрын
two roundabouts , so much? let's not forget they are dutch.
@GKlerk-Alk2 жыл бұрын
From a Dutch point of view it's like someone built a roundabout (on tight budget) but didn't understand quite the design philosophy.
@hamster46182 жыл бұрын
2:10, I felt that flutter in my belly.
@i.k.88682 жыл бұрын
Why the hell did they make the bike path octagonal, instead of circular?
@anichtyofagist2 жыл бұрын
Have there been follow-up studies to see if these roundabouts (flawed as they may be) are still saver than other regular crossings nearby?
@gavin-russell.2 жыл бұрын
No hate, but please make your voice not so monotone, sorry but it makes the video more boring than it actually is.
@mudelta40689 ай бұрын
No hate, but can you please punctuate your posts correctly. I am sorry, but it makes your point seem even less worthy of consideration than it already is.
@gavin-russell.2 жыл бұрын
That roundabout design is worse than Dutch Roundabouts, as they don't include a gap between the bike lanes and the entrance so they won't have space to wait. As in Dutch roundabouts they do.
@misme20002 жыл бұрын
There is an other big design flaw in the Melbourne roundabouts what I can see. That is the widening instead of choking of the drive lanes entering and exiting the roundabout! If they are narrowed they will reduce the speed of motorized traffic and shorten the distance (and time it takes) for cyclists and pedestrians to cross, this will reduce conflict between them makes it safer and more efficient (better flow). In the Netherlands a lot of times the bike-lane and the pedestrian-crossing are raised creating a sort of speed bump for reducing motor speeds.
@metalvideos19613 жыл бұрын
we only not have those roundabouts. but our whole infrastructure is build around bikes. Special bike lanes everywhere. we pretty much never drive where cars drive which makes it safer as well. so a dutch roundabout will not solve all problems other country aces
@mafiofreakTV3 жыл бұрын
Watching those collisions... Are those drivers blind? do they not see the cyclist?
@0KiteEatingTree03 жыл бұрын
Its only slightly better in parts of the UK. As a Londoner I never felt comfortable to ride. I'm now in the 'New Town' of Telford.(51 years old) All bike marked bike lanes are 'shared use' or unmarked. Some are within a foot of a dual carrigeway (50mph speed) with barely a division just a few inches of kerb. And yet the town authority is proud of its 'excellent cycling of walking' in the area. The Dutch use a method of planning which translates as 'Disentanglement'. Basically the seperation of cars, bikes AND pedestrians. But even the Dutch had to campaign for this at least a decade ago, and made the right decision.
@0KiteEatingTree03 жыл бұрын
Well you’ve got double the amount as we have in the uk, just one Dutch roundabout in the university town of Cambridge
@rajnadar65553 жыл бұрын
And in the US...we have none.
@Lunavii_Cellest3 жыл бұрын
@@rajnadar6555 and here in the netherlands we have around 4 thousend roundabout with the majority of those having seperated bicycle infrastructure
@drivers993 жыл бұрын
So glad I found your channel (thanks to watching another video, which is probably from me watching channels like Not Just Bikes and City Beautiful and so on, about the UK getting a Dutch roundabout: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l5eCxdaAmdSphNo.html and then the recommendation algorithm showing me your video). Would love to see more of your videos when you want to make them! I just watched both of your videos and they were really well said.
@maarelman3 жыл бұрын
It is a start. Only way is up!
@aeiouaeiou1003 жыл бұрын
For those interested in the Dutch statistics: there are now about 6000 roundabouts in the country and about 60% of those have cycling infrastructure. Those without cycling infrastructure are basically all non accesable for bicycles.
@rajnadar65553 жыл бұрын
What's the plan for getting to 100% coverage for bicycles? Is the council moving at a good pace?
@aeiouaeiou1003 жыл бұрын
@@rajnadar6555 It's not going to happen, when there is no cycle infrastructure the cycle route follows a different route and does not overlap with the road network in that place. Virtually all roundabouts that have cycling access have cycling infrastructure. You are never dropped on a roundabout in the same lane as cars.
@Freshbott23 жыл бұрын
At a roundabout near mine in Perth where the bike just ends there's one of those rubber squarish speedbumps that doesn't reach all the way across the road, and you can still go fast across as long as your lined up with it properly. So people speed to try get in front of you and then cut you off to speed over the bump, not looking at the roundabout and then often slam on the breaks cause someone's coming. It's worse than if there was just no speedbump at all. Some try to overtake you when you're already in the roundabout and then panic when they realise you weren't going to veer all the way to the left of the circle to go straight.
@naxxtor3 жыл бұрын
These lanes are really stupid. They seem to be a lazy answer to "we should do more for cyclists!". I don't like them as a cyclist OR a driver - I don't feel safe cycling in them, and I don't feel like I'm being safe driving next to them. Also, they make drivers think that cyclists *must* be in them at all times, and they get angry at cyclists when they are not. #paintisnotinfrastructure
@bstr-ey6wl3 жыл бұрын
Dutch? no. The first country to use massively roundabouts, is not Netherlands.
@allws96833 жыл бұрын
So you prove your mind is stuck in 1922 and cannot complete a 5 minute video without a wandering mind. This is not about roundabouts, but about 'dutch roundabouts' with separate bike paths like in 1:26 .
@metalvideos19613 жыл бұрын
England introduced the roundabout. this kind of roundabouts are typical dutch.
@warw3 жыл бұрын
Incredible videos. Please keep em coming
@fredk37103 жыл бұрын
As a Dutchie, from my own experience I can say that it is not only the road design en intersection design that makes cycling in the Netherlands safer. I think that for a good part, it is the Dutch cycling culture itself that makes riding a bike in The Netherlands safer, because everyone has been cycling while growing up. By the time you are allowed to start driving cars, at the age of 17 or 18, you already have been cycling through town on your own for some 10 years or so, hence learning the traffic hazards at intersections from a cyclist perspective. So when driving a car, you already know there are a lot of cyclists around you and where to expect them crossing the road. Hence, as a car driver, you know you always have to look out for cyclists (and mopeds) when making a turn or crossing a road.
@OnYourLeft20 күн бұрын
Culture and education are a huge part of it. People that never have cycled will quite often see cyclists as a nuisance and a lesser class. That's a huge problem where I live.
@dk-gl3 жыл бұрын
How can a bike lane this narrow even be legal? Love the video!
@leroyjamison57002 жыл бұрын
You all prolly dont give a damn but does anyone know of a method to log back into an instagram account? I was stupid lost the login password. I love any help you can give me
@alexzanderboston45712 жыл бұрын
@Leroy Jamison instablaster ;)
@Wiejeben3 жыл бұрын
You should indicate when you're leaving the roundabout. Also if you are unsure that other traffic notices you you could also signal that you're staying on the roundabout. But yeah the Melbourne roundabout looks kind of awkward, honestly they should just straight up copy the Dutch design, its been through many phases, the Dutch have learned the hard way how to build safer roundabouts. Anyway, great first step!
@sanderw71533 жыл бұрын
There are two different types of roundabouts in the Netherlands. One where cars yield to bikes and one where bikes yield to cars. The latter has been found to lead to fewer accidents. It may be good to start with implementing the kind where bikes have to yield first because the other kind can give cyclists a false sense of safety, especially when drivers are not yet used to looking for cyclists at roundabouts.
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Reckon the DH in the red 4wd that perpetrators bie lane knew exactly what he was doing. Just being a A hole. You see it at traffic lights. People that don't stop behind 1st white line then stop & block the Pedestraians. Morons.
Great video! 🚴
1:26 is not all dutch roundabouts, these only are inside the villages or cities. (and in cities they rare) Outside of them you only have roundabouts that gives cars priority of cyclists. I'm dutch myself and actually get tired of these dutch know it all videos. We have some aces up our sleeves but those same aces also have huge downfalls.
I don’t ride in bike lanes in Melbourne. I only ride on bike trails and do not commute using a bike.
Voice is too monotonous. Unwatchable. The club sound music does not help.
The part at the end referencing the obesity epidemic is somewhat of a reach and is plain wrong. A genuinely obese person is probably very lazy by nature and is never going to ride a bike anywhere ever. Improving cycling infrastructure won't matter to them, and it won't help them.
it prevents more people from becoming obese and teaches the next generation to stay active and healthy.
If you coloured the pavement red instead of green you could leave the lane there and it would highlight perfectly the dangerous door zone from parked cars.
Another way to look at it is to image a mum walking down it with a baby in a pram. Would she walk down the door zone path and feel safe or the segregated path? Only one of them makes sense.
Typical Australia: Copy a great design (badly) and when it doesn't work, abandon any idea of doing it properly "SeE, iT dOeSn'T wOrK fOr AuStRaLiAn cOnDiTiOnS?!" It might also help if cyclists here didn't ride everywhere like it was some race.
I just got a scooter. I got hit and knocked off today by a car who ran a stop sign. I've only had my scooter for 6 days. If there were car in the lane beside me, I would have been double hit and likely dead. I know I am going to die on my scooter because of obnoxious, irresponsible cars. To save lives, the car parking spaces must be on the right of the bike lane.
I have had a few near misses from cars parked on the right of the bike lane on the St Kilda to Port Melbourne stretch. A car driver gets out of the car but then swings open the passenger door across the bike path and pulls out a pusher for her child. Placing it across the remainder of the path and requiring a panic brake. She apologised of course. It is IMPOSSIBLE to make streets safe if you permit parking. Sooner or later that will have to be addressed. Without ANY parked cars the problem goes away. Public property with a very expensive heavy surface is too expensive to waste in this way. Off road parks MUST be both provided AND compulsorily used by everyone.
just moved to melbs, and im a bit confused like sometimes there is no way to take a right at an intersection, you have to go to hte car lane which goes to the right, kinda unefficient and not sofa, but maybe i just need more to time to get the hang of it. But needless to say it is nowhere to amsterdam for example, althou adam is not a metroploice
0:32 no regard for pedestrian at zebra crossing. How are cyclists going to get more respect from motorists, when they won’t do the same to other more vulnerable road users? I commute regularly by bicycle (also in Australia), we all need to show kindness, consideration & courtesy to other road users.
great vid - hope to see more from you!
I used to ride to work almost every day in Melbourne. It worked wonders for my health and fitness, and was nearly 3x faster than public transport. But the number of near-misses I've had with doors, close passbys, being right-hooked etc just isn't sustainable. I've had to stop because it's just too dangerous, and I'm going to get myself killed sooner or later if I keep it up.
And people say Melbourne is a bike friendly city. There’s so many opportunities for Melbourne to be a great walkable, bikeable and liveable city.
lol I just watched a video of a Singaporean man praising our bike lanes. Usually we venerate Singapore for their infrastructure. I guess none of us will ever be happy.
I personally love to ride in Melbourne on these lanes . I think it makes riding interesting and fun but I can see why people might not feel safe as well.
I just visited Melbourne, but didn't step onto a bike. Thanks for the video footage, I hope more protected bike lanes get built.
Please make more videos!
Why do you never signal where you are going?
The problem with Holland is that bikes make walking particularly stressful.
That's not stressful. Riding a bike rather than walking is the exact opposite of stressful, and easier on the joints. Particularly if you have the right bike.
@@petergibson7287 I mean being a pedestrian constantly dodging bikes.
@@HouseholdDog Then don't dodge the bikes. Get your own bike and be a part of the system. Comply.
I use the bike lane just like cars do: when it's convenient
Annnd this is why when riding my bike I usually stick to the footpaths. I don't care if it's "illegal". Some of these bike lanes are fucking dangerous.
i stopped riding my bike years ago out of fear of getting killed by a car, and rightly so.
Having watched several NOT JUST BIKES videos I can tell what the problem is just by the preview! I rode bicycles for many years I know that car drivers do NOT watch out for bike riders in bicycle lanes. Painted ditches are no solution.
A lot of places in Melb their is a 60cm wide cycle lane next to a 3-4 M wide footpath. Put the cycle lane on 1m of footpath. Cyclists and cars have never been a good mix in Melb and never will. I think separation is the only safe way.
Designed by people who never rode bikes ever 😂😂😂
I actually feel safer cycling in my hometown of Morwell (regional vic) because I just take the lane whereas in melbourne I had to use the bike lane and risk getting car doored. However, getting between towns out here is absolutetly horrific, I would only wish it on Putin.
1:50 sharrows bruh
*Unprotected bike lanes are like a highlighter pen: they help citizens note the cyclists that already cycle there.* But won't really attract anyone until you have some level of protection.
two roundabouts , so much? let's not forget they are dutch.
From a Dutch point of view it's like someone built a roundabout (on tight budget) but didn't understand quite the design philosophy.
2:10, I felt that flutter in my belly.
Why the hell did they make the bike path octagonal, instead of circular?
Have there been follow-up studies to see if these roundabouts (flawed as they may be) are still saver than other regular crossings nearby?
No hate, but please make your voice not so monotone, sorry but it makes the video more boring than it actually is.
No hate, but can you please punctuate your posts correctly. I am sorry, but it makes your point seem even less worthy of consideration than it already is.
That roundabout design is worse than Dutch Roundabouts, as they don't include a gap between the bike lanes and the entrance so they won't have space to wait. As in Dutch roundabouts they do.
There is an other big design flaw in the Melbourne roundabouts what I can see. That is the widening instead of choking of the drive lanes entering and exiting the roundabout! If they are narrowed they will reduce the speed of motorized traffic and shorten the distance (and time it takes) for cyclists and pedestrians to cross, this will reduce conflict between them makes it safer and more efficient (better flow). In the Netherlands a lot of times the bike-lane and the pedestrian-crossing are raised creating a sort of speed bump for reducing motor speeds.
we only not have those roundabouts. but our whole infrastructure is build around bikes. Special bike lanes everywhere. we pretty much never drive where cars drive which makes it safer as well. so a dutch roundabout will not solve all problems other country aces
Watching those collisions... Are those drivers blind? do they not see the cyclist?
Its only slightly better in parts of the UK. As a Londoner I never felt comfortable to ride. I'm now in the 'New Town' of Telford.(51 years old) All bike marked bike lanes are 'shared use' or unmarked. Some are within a foot of a dual carrigeway (50mph speed) with barely a division just a few inches of kerb. And yet the town authority is proud of its 'excellent cycling of walking' in the area. The Dutch use a method of planning which translates as 'Disentanglement'. Basically the seperation of cars, bikes AND pedestrians. But even the Dutch had to campaign for this at least a decade ago, and made the right decision.
Well you’ve got double the amount as we have in the uk, just one Dutch roundabout in the university town of Cambridge
And in the US...we have none.
@@rajnadar6555 and here in the netherlands we have around 4 thousend roundabout with the majority of those having seperated bicycle infrastructure
So glad I found your channel (thanks to watching another video, which is probably from me watching channels like Not Just Bikes and City Beautiful and so on, about the UK getting a Dutch roundabout: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l5eCxdaAmdSphNo.html and then the recommendation algorithm showing me your video). Would love to see more of your videos when you want to make them! I just watched both of your videos and they were really well said.
It is a start. Only way is up!
For those interested in the Dutch statistics: there are now about 6000 roundabouts in the country and about 60% of those have cycling infrastructure. Those without cycling infrastructure are basically all non accesable for bicycles.
What's the plan for getting to 100% coverage for bicycles? Is the council moving at a good pace?
@@rajnadar6555 It's not going to happen, when there is no cycle infrastructure the cycle route follows a different route and does not overlap with the road network in that place. Virtually all roundabouts that have cycling access have cycling infrastructure. You are never dropped on a roundabout in the same lane as cars.
At a roundabout near mine in Perth where the bike just ends there's one of those rubber squarish speedbumps that doesn't reach all the way across the road, and you can still go fast across as long as your lined up with it properly. So people speed to try get in front of you and then cut you off to speed over the bump, not looking at the roundabout and then often slam on the breaks cause someone's coming. It's worse than if there was just no speedbump at all. Some try to overtake you when you're already in the roundabout and then panic when they realise you weren't going to veer all the way to the left of the circle to go straight.
These lanes are really stupid. They seem to be a lazy answer to "we should do more for cyclists!". I don't like them as a cyclist OR a driver - I don't feel safe cycling in them, and I don't feel like I'm being safe driving next to them. Also, they make drivers think that cyclists *must* be in them at all times, and they get angry at cyclists when they are not. #paintisnotinfrastructure
Dutch? no. The first country to use massively roundabouts, is not Netherlands.
So you prove your mind is stuck in 1922 and cannot complete a 5 minute video without a wandering mind. This is not about roundabouts, but about 'dutch roundabouts' with separate bike paths like in 1:26 .
England introduced the roundabout. this kind of roundabouts are typical dutch.
Incredible videos. Please keep em coming
As a Dutchie, from my own experience I can say that it is not only the road design en intersection design that makes cycling in the Netherlands safer. I think that for a good part, it is the Dutch cycling culture itself that makes riding a bike in The Netherlands safer, because everyone has been cycling while growing up. By the time you are allowed to start driving cars, at the age of 17 or 18, you already have been cycling through town on your own for some 10 years or so, hence learning the traffic hazards at intersections from a cyclist perspective. So when driving a car, you already know there are a lot of cyclists around you and where to expect them crossing the road. Hence, as a car driver, you know you always have to look out for cyclists (and mopeds) when making a turn or crossing a road.
Culture and education are a huge part of it. People that never have cycled will quite often see cyclists as a nuisance and a lesser class. That's a huge problem where I live.
How can a bike lane this narrow even be legal? Love the video!
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You should indicate when you're leaving the roundabout. Also if you are unsure that other traffic notices you you could also signal that you're staying on the roundabout. But yeah the Melbourne roundabout looks kind of awkward, honestly they should just straight up copy the Dutch design, its been through many phases, the Dutch have learned the hard way how to build safer roundabouts. Anyway, great first step!
There are two different types of roundabouts in the Netherlands. One where cars yield to bikes and one where bikes yield to cars. The latter has been found to lead to fewer accidents. It may be good to start with implementing the kind where bikes have to yield first because the other kind can give cyclists a false sense of safety, especially when drivers are not yet used to looking for cyclists at roundabouts.