Can we just take a moment to appreciate how well the DIY manometer results aligned with the dial gauge manometer? The nerd in me loved that.

@JohnBuildsIt

3 жыл бұрын

Haha same!

I have a dust stopper and a dust deputy, and use them both almost daily, for interior remodeling. I definitely prefer the compactness of the dust stopper, but I think the dust deputy does a better job of filtering out the fine dust from drywall sanding or concrete grinding. I keep the dust stopper hooked to the table saw at all times, and use the dust deputy for everything else. Both are used with ridgid vacs running a pleated filter and a bag. Works great.... if that’s helpful for anyone.

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

MrOrange TheCat sounds about right!!

@Goodoleme4144

5 жыл бұрын

Mr Orange: Brilliant observation...and I am the inventor of Dustopper. If you place a vacuum bag inside the host vacuum, you get all the low profile benefits of Dustopper (fast and easy to set up on a job site, not a tippy, etc.) and nearly all the ultra-fine particles will be captured before lodging in the vac's pleated filter. Technically speaking, the "cut point" of the Dust Deputy is a tiny bit better than Dustopper (that comment from the inventor should start a firestorm of commentary, BTW) and in most applications they perform about the same. One thing that cannot be argued is the simplicity of setup. Dustopper goes together in a snap, and usually can be put into operations faster than any other separator out there.

@Name-js5uq

4 жыл бұрын

@@Goodoleme4144 thank you very very much for inventing the duststopper, I plan on buying one immediately after I saw it being reviewed on on ...... Hang on I'll have to go check the channel..... OK the channel was "field treasure designs"....I just want to say thank you that thing works amazing and thank you for including all the stuff you need to make it work I'm definitely going to buy yours over the cyclone!!!and I'm going to tell all my friends to watch the video so they can see yours is better and cheaper and also comes with all the parts!!!

@Name-js5uq

4 жыл бұрын

@@Goodoleme4144 i did exactly that right after I bought another one of your awesome dustoppers

@TubeHammel

4 жыл бұрын

@@Goodoleme4144 I wish I had seen this earlier. I still have not unpacked my Dust Deputy but I cannot return it. Maybe I should do like Mr.Orange and use both.

John that was a great test/comparison. I really appreciate it. Keep up the good work!

Sold. Appreciate you taking the time to do these measurements. Will be saving some money with the Home Depot version

John thank you for your review. It was very helpful in my decision to purchase a Dust Deputy

That was fantastic! Thank you!

Wow, i wish all youtube videos are this simple and direct. Well done! Thank you. Looking to get the home depot version after watching this video.

Awesome tests, this has helped me a lot! Thank you very much!

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

Aaron Isotton glad to hear, thank you!!

Thank you for providing some quality tests. it has helped me make a decision to buy a dustopper.

Thanks for the work on this. Good job and I like that you didn't declare any "winner" but simply gave results of your tests for us to make a decision on our own.

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

mikeguitarification that’s exactly what I wanted to do! Thanks for watching!

Really appreciate the time you took to compare these two dust separators, an excellent test too. Based on your test I ordered the Home Depot’s model. The separation was very good for both of them, I chose the Home Depot model because it shorter in height. I’m going to stack the vac and separator on a cart it won’t be as tall with this model. Again, thank you for taking the time to put your vid together it was well done and very informative. From Missouri

Thanks for the video. already ordered mine and am going to make a cart like yours. It is the most practical way to set up a dust separator.

Thanks for the review! Very well done.

Thanx, John. You've helped me a lot.

Great job ! I think I speak for many saying we look forward to your future reviews and projects -well done ! Arthur

Awesome, thanks. I bought the dust stopper to build the cart in another one of your videos and it's worked out awesome for me in my shop. I use it for any kind of mobile dust collection where I don't wanter bother running a 4" line from the big dust collector.

Thank you for this. I'll be passing on getting a different system and stick with what I have since they're similar enough for my needs

thanks very much for holding the tests between the two systems. I am planning on upgrading my dust collection system and struggled on which way to go. Your testing between the two really helped. After watching your tests, to me its clear that dustopper is the way to go. Comes with all the parts one needs and fits right onto a bucket. Thanks again for your help!!!!!

Thank you for the unbiased thoroughness of this review, you touched upon every data point I was looking for. I was leaning towards the Dust Deputy, but recognizing there was barely a noticeable difference between the devices, I'm going with the Duststopper due to it's out-of-the-box ease of use. You provided a great approach, the video was straight and to the point, providing enough information for your viewers to come to a conclusion based upon data. I imagine the rest of your videos will be similar, subscribing to your channel.

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

Anonymous thanks a lot! I really appreciate all that!

Thanks for putting this together.

I'm building a larger 2 stage system for my shop but even so this had a bunch of useful info. Thanks for sharing.

@JohnBuildsIt

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thanks for watching! Hoping to finally get an actual DC system this year as well

You did a Fantastic job. Using the meters were a nice touch. I think the dd is a little more money when you include the lid, bolts, gasket, and labor. Thank you for the wonderful video

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

Ernest Vocell thanks for watching!!

Great review, very thorough. Thank you.

@JohnBuildsIt

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@MRGF78

3 жыл бұрын

It really was a good thorough review... good job...

Very helpful. Thank you again

Best comp ever on KZread ! I ran similar tests on a DD, Suning and the Dustopper. No real difference except for price. Vac used was a newer 6.5 HP HD . The one with the handle. With a Suning SN 50 -3 . no filter it flowed 140 CFM. With a new Clean Stream Filter and cyclone it dropped to 116 CFM . The Clean Stream filter as an area of 8 Square feet, The Stock filter has only about 5 square feet, It pays to up grade. The CFM numbers were obtained using Ansi/AMCA testing methods not an anemometer. These are worthless for testing on a duct work. The vac pulls up to 14 amps with no filter , hose or filter and drops to 12 amp loaded. The best on the market for a shop vac. I use this in my garage. Using the same dust over doesn't change the results much I found. There is such a small about of super fine dust in common saw dust that it doesn't effect the results . Some use dry plaster but I'm afraid to use that material. It can set up and ruin an expensive filter. Clean Stream recommends cleaning their filter with tap water. If that hit residual plaster dust? For our use getting close is good enough. As a comp, the industrial vac motor I use on my central vac is an Ametek Lamb vac motor model 122165-00 , 220 v./ 7.5 A, Single stage . $133 from Kleen Rite. You can get a 120 V model if you do not have 220v . Max SP is 110" vs 45 "for the Ridgid 6.5 Hp and CFM ranges up to 166 CFM. Loaded with 15-20 feet of 2" duct, two cyclones , filter and a 20' 2 hose " the CFM drops to about the same as the Ridgid 6.5, @116 CFM . However the Ridgid CFM falls to less then 35 CFM attached to the built in plumbing. You can build your own shop vac with this industrial motor and some creativity . As good as it is the Ridgid is not suitable for a built in system with long runs. Granger has certified AMCA fan curves on the Lamb motors. John, I like your cart so much I'm redoing my cart. Your a very clever guy. Do you have a big cyclone system?

@andriosz

4 жыл бұрын

Great comment, I'm gonna use your advice :)

I've had the Dust Deputy for longer than the Dustopper has been around. If it ever breaks, I'll for sure be getting the Dustopper as a replacement. Great test, thanks for putting this together.

I just want to make sure you knew that I did buy the dust stopper today and I did also buy a brand new Ridgid 12 gallon 5 horsepower vacuum to use with it,...all thanks to you!😁 Btw it works so awesome I can't believe how good it works! It captured every bit of sawdust. I am extremely happy with this product.

Great video Thanks for doing the tests and sharing.

Super informative video as I'm buying one of the two this week! Thanks!!

Thank you for a very good scientific review!

Nice comparison! Looks like i'll be going with the Dustopper!

Thanks John !!

Thank you for the video. I like the dust stopper because of the compatibility.

Really appreciate the effort, so thumbs up. Regarding dust let-through, however, I would have liked to see a bit more control by precisely measuring the weight of the pile of dust (should be the same for both tests) before each test commenced. Thanks.

Great job! Very professional, thank you.

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

Robert Brunston thanks a lot!!

Awesome, helpful video - I hadn't heard of the Dustopper, but it certainly looks like an easier, just as effective setup

This is a very good video. One thing missing in the video is how they may perform differently when the collection buckets are 1/2 to 3/4 full. I would expect the Dust Deputy's performance would not change much because the cyclonic funnel and the bucket are in different compartments. On the other hand, I would expect the Duststopper's performance may be negatively impacted as the collection bin got full and the cyclone effect is impeded. As it got fuller, more dust would escape the cyclone and reach the vacuum cartridge and bin.

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

madcheme that would be a good comparison for sure! But as I use the dustopper in my shop every day(and fill it up) I haven’t noticed a difference aka still no dust in my vacuum. Thanks for watching!!

@oldarkie3880

4 жыл бұрын

The dust stopper cyclonic action is still in the top not the bucket.

@vincentrobinette1507

4 жыл бұрын

In this demonstration, he filled the bucket up more than 3/4 full, and there was very little in the 'shop vac' bucket. The cyclonic separation happens in the volute, rather than relying on the bucket, like a 'shop vac' does.

Excellent Review, Very Well Done in all areas! I have a Dust Deputy now, but the Dustopper has a much lower profile that would be preferable . Thank you for sharing this!

Thanks for the very good test.

Great side by side. Thank you for sharing

Great video!! I have the deputy and it works great. Home Depots wasn't out at the time, but if I had to buy again it would be home depot's cause of the top being so compact.

I have the Dust Deputy and have used it for years and love it. This is the first time that I have seen the Dust Stopper, and so far I wouldn't have any problem with recommending it. The only category that it may lag behind the Dust Deputy in would be total capacity, as the DD can (and mine has) continued to work once the can is filled.

Thank you. Very helpful.

You've run some great tests to educate us. Good job.

Great video, I bought the dust stopper and it's great.

Excellent application of the scientific method. Thanks for sharing your findings.

Perfect explanation and comparison, Thank you!

Thanks for doing this comparison. I’ve been trying to decide between the two. My shop is small so space saving equipment is a consideration. The Dustopper is smaller and less expensive so my choice is made.

Good test and information! Thanks for running it.

@JohnBuildsIt

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Hi, thanks for taking the time to perform the test... I notice that in the first run of the efficiency test, a good part of the fine dust that goes through the device was already out of the load used for the second run with the Dustopper... so that was no fare for the Dust deputy.

@JohnBuildsIt

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely! If I used 2 different piles, people would complain about that too haha just a kid messing around in my shop not a scientist. Thanks for watching though!

Thanks for the test. Stopper it is.

This is an EXCELLENT review!! Thank you so much! Sold!

@JohnBuildsIt

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Good Stuff, just bought a dust stopper tonight and it works just fine for me and my needs...

I purchased the duststopper and it works amazing. I decided to look it up for a better seal and discovered this video. Great review btw!

Thanks so much. A fantastic video and very useful.

Excellent work sir.... Thank you...

John, great job, informative, just ordered the Duststopper to pick up at HD today. Keep up the good work, God gave you a gift in being a good communicator. All the best. Brad

@JohnBuildsIt

4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that, thank you!!

Great test! Nicely done. Thanks, Frank

@JohnBuildsIt

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks, great information, I have been using a DD but prefer the low profile of the dust stopper.

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

WaltWW me too!! Thanks for watching!

Very nicely done. Thank you.

Thank you for a very informative video. Love the scientific approach! Now im off to buy the dust stopper!

Thank you.

Nice review, great comparison techniques. I’ve been wondering which one to get. Thanks to you I’ve decided on the dust topper. Cheers!

@JohnBuildsIt

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thank you!

Great technical review, thanks.

@JohnBuildsIt

6 жыл бұрын

Govind Pillai thank you!

@govindrpillai

5 жыл бұрын

@@Goodoleme4144 Thanks for the info and giveaway you did with John. I'm looking forward to using it as I have a medium to close to severe dust allergy.

Great rev! Thanks!

@JohnBuildsIt

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

An intelligent, thorough, and useful video. Thank you very much.

Wow man thank you so much that was awesome, now I'm going to go buy the dust stopper

@JohnBuildsIt

4 жыл бұрын

You’ll love it! 👍🏽

@Name-js5uq

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnBuildsIt I just checked with my local home Depot and I use the app to make sure it was in stock and it is so I'm going to go there first thing in the morning when it opens up at 7 a.m. so thank you very much, you have literally changed my life because you're going to save me money....okay it's now the next day and I did buy one and I hooked it up to a brand new Ridgid vacuum and it works awesome, thanks so much for all your help. also this is an update edit I just bought another dust stopper yesterday January 3rd 2020 because they work so awesome.

Nice video. I appreciated your scientific approach to comparing the two products.

The dust pile used for the dust stopper really wasn’t the same as the dust deputy because some of the fine dust was removed by the dust deputy. It probably doesn’t matter and in either case, I’d go with the dust stopper just based on cost.

it's the fine dust that typically makes it through. In the first run with the Dust Deputy, you removed that dust from the test batch and did the 2nd test with the batch without the fine dust. Obviously, this would yield relatively good results compared to the first.

@kellyvcraig

2 жыл бұрын

SNORT I was thinking the same thing. And, as pointed out by others, there is the fine stuff caught in the dips of the hose and on the statically charged walls. Add to this, I test for leaks with smoke. If it pushes or pulls around the lid seal, the efficiency of the cyclone will drop big time. Anyway, even if flipped around, the Stopper had pretty impressive results too.

@markmulich4421

2 жыл бұрын

I came here to say exactly this. A year later. Not only that, the fine dust escaping in the exhaust was not measured. Then some fine dust was blown out with his air compressor, not used in the second test.

@drebk

2 жыл бұрын

Sure, that is all fair enough, but you arent going to get much closer without a lab and a fume hood rig. Even if you used brand new filters, and two separate but fairly similar size/consitency dust piles... you are not going to get an exact comparison on the fines. Either one does a great job at not clogging the heck out of your filter. Which is the point.

Thank you for the great video, this is exactly the info I needed!

@JohnBuildsIt

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Great video John 👍👍 Subscribed

Thanks,,,, this is realey helpful.

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

Thomas Collier thanks for watching!!

Good stuff thanks

Thank you, good info and a well done video

@JohnBuildsIt

4 жыл бұрын

Builds with Brian thank you!

@BuildswithBrian

4 жыл бұрын

John Builds It Keep up the good work, I subscribed and I am looking forward to more videos

Thank you for this interesting test. It's a good idea to weigh the filter. Perhaps it would have been interesting to do the same test with different kinds of dust: plaster and concrete (which clog a filter in a few minutes usually) or metal filings and shavings, or animal hair...

This is brilliant.

I saw your other video where you stacked the DustStopper on top of your vacuum. That got me leaning towards the DustStopper. This video just sealed the deal. I was figuring I would have to make a cart for the vacuum and dust collector to sit side by side. With your stacking method, you get to keep precious floor space.

Thanks for taking the time. For me the deciding factor is that the Dustopper sits lower on the bucket and just looks better. I think it would handle a tip over easier than the Dust Deputy sticking up so far out. Easy to break the seal or mount should it fall over.

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

k bob definitely!! The Dustopper is such a better design in my opinion

Thank you for the demonstration and review. I am going to buy the DD as it seems to perform slightly better and will work on a larger waste bin. I don’t want to be limited to a standard 5 gallon bucket and with the Dustopper the capacity is reduced due to location of the baffle inside the waste bucket.

@andrewostrom8676

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. I have the DD mounted to a 20 gallon "Eagle" plastic tub with a clamp type retainer that I bought on Amazon. Works great with my shopvac; my only complaint is that if I use it with a 4" to 2.5" reducer from my dust collector the suction isn't very good. I'm going to add a Dust Deputy XL to my dust collector, so that will solve that.

I have the Duststopper. My reason for having it was to get around having to clean and/or replace the filter cartridge which is pricey. To me I never expected or need to create a clean room. I mostly attach a vacuum to a table saw, mitre saw, or circular saw to capture the dust as to reduce clean up. Then all I need to do is empty the 5 gallon bucket. I supposed if your shop is used wood finish projects then keeping the dust to the bare minimum is essential.

Good job. Very thorough👍

Thanks for the review. I did buy the dust deputy planning on outfitting a gamma lid to work with it--but the gamma lid didn't end up working out, and if I have to struggle with an annoying bucket lid I'd rather do it with something more compact.

This is why a lot of the dust collector diy versions around follow a similar design like the Dust stopper: its simple, cheap and works.

Excellent vid. Agree both same in your test. This I’m getting the stopper because its profile is so much less and easier to deal with.

Excellent comparison and presentation.

@JohnBuildsIt

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thanks so much I'm sold mainly on the $20. difference.

thanks for the vid, i was leaning toward the DD but couldn't quite pull the trigger based on the vertical space it requires, my shop vac set up is under my miter saw station so in order to use the DD i would have to mount it above the surface 👎👎 the Dstopper fits nicely 👍👍

I have been very happy with the Dust Right Seperator from Rockler. The canister has a much larger capacity and it has 5 small casters so it rolls easily. I use it daily, even to vacuum the shop floor, and it just rolls as I pull and the shop vac follows behind it. Highly recommend it.

@JohnBuildsIt

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen those, looks pretty nice! 👍🏽

Really terrific comparison!

@JohnBuildsIt

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👍🏽

Very thorough comparison. I'm going to go ahead and give you a thumbs up.

@JohnBuildsIt

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thank you for this review!! My dust/debris collection can now be one step closer to where I want it for my garage/shop work. Simple, to the point, not a lot of intro which is a huge plus for viewing during quick breaks. Your shop is AWESOME by the way!! I was wondering if you have any experience/suggestions on how to improve a contractor table saw's dust collection? I've seen some where they've removed the motor which seems difficult and out of my beginner's experience level.

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

Shalimar Rivera thank you so much! I really appreciate the feedback! I know table saw dust collection is a huge topic, and there are dozens of good videos here on KZread. I have fairly good collection on my saw, so I don’t have much experience to help. One thing you could do is google dust collection for your exact model of saw. That way you could see if there’s anyone that has a solution that you know will work easily for your saw.

During the manometer test the dust stopper sounded way way way louder. Did you notice this too?

Thanks John. In your opinion was the dust stopper louder than the dust deputy...It seemed to be watching the video but I wanted your opinion being right next to both. Thanks

I’m glad I didn’t use my dust deputy yet. It’s still in the box. I love the simplicity of the HD unit. Awesome videos on this.

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

wheelstandr thanks for watching!!

Going to HD to get a DS since it comes with the hose. I watched a bunch of videos on how to make your own until I realized the hose itself is $22.

Very nicely done. Completely fair and equitable test of both systems. There is no clear winner and any one significant standout feature. Both systems work well and will do the job much better than not using one. My conclusion is that selecting one or the other is simply a personal choice for the individual.....for whatever reason you make the choice. Thanks

@JohnBuildsIt

4 жыл бұрын

Howard Birch my conclusion exactly too! I’ve simply decided to add more dustoppers to my shop due to price and the low profile design

Thanks for the testing review. I have been looking for some kind of vac. filter for picking up metal chips from a milling machine that won't rune my vac.. Have any ideas?

Great video. I am heading to homedepot to purchase the dust topper. I work in my garage and need a good dust collection system. I have the same 12 gal vac so your video is perfect for me. Great job. Thanks

@JohnBuildsIt

5 жыл бұрын

William Pauley awesome!! Thanks for watching!