The weird thing about leaving thousands of years worth of journals is that no one person could ever read/watch them all. There is more knowledge in Leto than a person has lifespan to experience.

@williamchamberlain2263

3 жыл бұрын

You'd need to set up hundreds of universities to study them, with redundancy, and still have hundreds of specialties and inter-disciplinary conferences to even try to get an overview.

@davidtatro7457

2 жыл бұрын

Leto knew how the Bene Gesserit would consolidate the knowledge he left behind and that it would eventually be collected via the work of many scholars and the sharing of memories.

@zakmehn

2 жыл бұрын

Mentets could?

@scotlandtheinsane3359

2 жыл бұрын

A mentat could...

@scotlandtheinsane3359

2 жыл бұрын

@@zakmehn Wow I didn't see your post, but yes they could lol

I feel like the most overlooked effect of the God Worms rule is the fact he made them less reliant on a single source of spice for space travel, creation of a synthetic ultimately unties the bonds to dune and the Empire of old

@jonathancox1231

Жыл бұрын

It's amazing that as you read the dune novels you learn more about human behavior than any collage classes can teach you

@corvus8638

2 ай бұрын

@@jonathancox1231This just sounds like a cope

@georgbergsten6050

2 ай бұрын

@@jonathancox1231 ummm

I’m still amazed at the balls Leto had he knew all of mankind would hate him but he made that sacrifice in order to save them it’s such a great idea.

@couchgrouches7667

5 жыл бұрын

@Jason Larsen I think certain facets of Trump's views and rhetoric are well-intentioned and even justified, but other moves that he or his close allies make seem incredibly myopic, like Trump lives in the now with little understanding of all the implications of the future. Plus he's a climate change denier and spoke about vaccines causing autism, so that definitely doesn't help his case for me.

@arielstulberg

5 жыл бұрын

Leto's a fictional character. You're worshipping a corrupt rich dude who sacrificed so much that he's profiting from the Trump org while in power.

@philipchurch8772

5 жыл бұрын

@@arielstulberg the strongest parallel between Trump and the God Emperor is how they show how vulnerable our system of governance is to exploitation. Trump does this unknowingly. Trump is also a black mirror to all the ugliness and self-serving corruption that has infected our government for decades but not as a renunciation of it as he campaigned: he is the fruition of it. What we do with this repulsive image in our "black mirror" going forward matters. There's little chance of Trump normalizing himself but if Trump normalizes the war crimes of other presidents we'll have failed to learn from the experience. If we let the elites who disenfranchised their own constituents so much that Trump was elected wholly blame a foreign government for his election we'll have failed to learn from the experience.

@arielstulberg

5 жыл бұрын

Andrew Church I think there’s a lot right about this. I’d add that Trump exposes issues with our society and values, not just our politics. That said I’m Russian born with Russian family, trained in international relations, specializing in rhetoric, tech and disinfo and all that. you’re right that russia can’t be a scapegoat for everything, but we shouldn’t play that connection down either. Trump represents an international oligarchy.

@philipchurch8772

5 жыл бұрын

@@arielstulberg that's true. I don't believe corporatist oligarchs are primarily driven by patriotism either though, they don't care whose backs they make their bucks on and they'll exploit whoever they can to achieve their ends. If they can convince people that everything that's wrong is just Trump and not the corruption and disenfranchisement that led to his election they'll get their way.

oh, if only old frank had lived a bit longer, the places he may have taken us

@shanechristie6696

4 жыл бұрын

The butlerian jihad wouldn't have been messed up!

@alexandresobreiramartins9461

4 жыл бұрын

Same can be said of Lovecraft and many others.

@trukeesey8715

4 жыл бұрын

God made Frank and h can make even better.

@egotakeovertaku5382

4 жыл бұрын

@@shanechristie6696 how exactly is the Butlerian Jihad messed up? The books that followed are literally based on Herbert's sketches and notes.

@ilikegamesandtech6712

4 жыл бұрын

​@@egotakeovertaku5382 You don't observe a difference between Brian and Franks versions of the Butlerian Jihad?

It’s really sad, Leto could relive the memories of any human before him. He could have placed himself as the greatest ruler humanity had ever seen, but had to make himself a tyrant to preserve humanity in the long run

@deathbydeviceable

6 ай бұрын

Remember who has the button to take you with them 😂

The beginning of this sounds like they lived in the Imperium of Man, which makes sense since Dune inspired much of 40k.

@DrMildayan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. 40k takes inspiration from many sources e.g. Chaos from Michael Moorcock’s Elric novels

@TheTransitmtl

3 жыл бұрын

Dune inspired a shit ton of stuff

@DrMildayan

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTransitmtl we stand on the shoulders of giants. We take our inspiration from our heroes

@samuelrodriguez9801

2 жыл бұрын

The sad thing is that in 40k Humanity didn't follow the Emperor's plan.

@dihydrogenmonoxide7600

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, leto was called the God Emperor of Dune. God emperor of mankind. You can put the pieces together.

The scattering is a goldmine for artists and designers, and even writers, it´s the Dune plotline with more mystery and possibilities. An awesome way to turn the screw on what was alreeady a masterfully tied universe.

The more I learn about Leto, the greater my respect grows for him.

@jonathancox1231

Жыл бұрын

Right , Herbert,s mind was amazing,I've learned more about human nature and behavior in reading the dune books than any collage classes could teach

@MilionMaru

8 ай бұрын

“There are no innocents anymore.” -Paul Muad'Dib Atreides “I will be innocent again.” -Leto II Atreides

Leto only needed to send some No Ship style Highligners as colony ships. It could cut off prescience tracking, allowing entire branches of humanity to never be found.

@jonathancox1231

Жыл бұрын

Was not the honored matres already " scattered" out of prescience reach?

I always thought Siona's visions of the 'hunter seekers' implied the Machines.

@transquelaag

2 жыл бұрын

In the visions they are yes machines with precience

The enemy as I saw it was a self-aware Hunter-Seeker, the assumption being that if it attained prescience, no human could ever hide from it. If you ignore the Brian Herbert novels, The Honored Matres seem to have fled back into the Empire to escape Scattered Tleilaxu. "Would you return defenceless to face the Ones of Many Faces? Would you become vegetables?"

@ericlueck8419

2 жыл бұрын

And it's implied the old man and woman are just that. The ultimate Face Dancers. So much so the crew fled into another universe. Makes one wonder what's out there.

Leto II Atreides is, to me at least, an excellent metaphor of what it means to be a parent.

God Emperor of Dune - my favorite book of the saga. I read it periodically.

@danieldesouzaesilva1420

3 жыл бұрын

Me too I am finishing the Heretics and up to now, is my favorite

@illuminocalypse5210

3 жыл бұрын

@@danieldesouzaesilva1420 Heretics and Chapterhouse are definitely my favorites - it's my favorite "era" in the saga for sure. It's where shit suddenly starts getting dialed to 11 and things suddenly feel very "real" - like the stakes are now raised to heretofore unprecedented levels, but exactly how and why that is the case still feels vague enough to make everything feel so mysterious! it's so awesome! Then when I finished Chapterhouse and was introduced to Daniel and Marty, I couldn't help but feel that these two were extraordinarily dangerous bad news for the rest of the characters, whatever they were actually supposed to be. I found them both intriguing and terrifying because of how little I understood about them, yet the way they spoke what they spoke about with each other, though it was all frustratingly vague, still made them sound extremely threatening, and emphasized in my mind just how STUPID LUCKY the No Ship with our characters on board was to have escaped them, and that if they HAD been caught, they would've not only all died, but suffered hideously on their way out. This is all solely MY OWN feelings on them and the impression they left on me from back when I first read the books. I was 14 at the time lol. But they've always kept the same impression on me each reread. Brian and Kevin's, ehm... "creative choices" (I used that term very charitably, too...) for Daniel and Marty were extremely disappointing to me and didn't feel at all genuine to what Frank himself had planned for them... NOT a fan AT ALL... they stripped Daniel and Marty of ALL their mystery and ambiguity and therefore their "creepiness" factor just evaporated and they didn't actually feel dangerous anymore. So I don't consider Hunters or Sandworms canon at all. There's NO WAY that what became of Daniel and Marty in those books was "based on his notes". I call bullshit lol. There was actually an atmosphere of dread and extreme but unknown danger all throughout Heretics and Chapterhouse that feels lessened but something being built towards in the first 4 books, but is all but TOTALLY absent in pretty much ALL of Brian and Kevin's prequels, sequels and interquels.. even in the Prelude trilogy, which features an INVASION of Ix by the Tleilaxu, is a scenario that I imagine Frank being VICIOUSLY graphic with, taking to borderline horror-level scales. Given what we know about the Tleilaxu and what they're CAPABLE of, I personally SHUDDER at the thought of what an having a group like the Tleilaxu actually OCCUPYING my home world That's the kind of reaction they're SUPPOSED to create in us! Brian and Kevin's take on the whole ordeal just feels.... deflated. There's no real tension or feeling of horrific dread in what sort of body-horror fate could await any character that ends up in their clutches, nor is nothing really new or interesting revealed about them... it's just... a sci-fi invasion/rebellion tale any starting sci-fi writer would LITERALLY shit out WHILE SITTING on the shitter.... I m still convinced, as I was then, that Daniel and Marty - and any others like them whom we may have never been made aware of, are indeed the "Great Enemy" Leto II

@aaron-price

2 жыл бұрын

@@illuminocalypse5210 That does it! As someone who loved the original 6 (read in high school in the late 80s), and after having read several like- minded readers on YT and social media trash the BH/KJA books, I cement my decision to never read them. It sounds like they'll just leave a bad taste in my mouth. There are too many other great reads out there to waste my time with these. Thank you!

I just started Dune for the first time and credit this channel with making that happen. I'm already 7 hours into the audiobook and loving it. Can't wait to get into this Leto material later on!

@BrettBrewer

5 жыл бұрын

To each their own, but I say that you should save all of these ASOIAF videos to a playlist and then not touch them until you are through the books. There is so much to discover in these books, and being primed on the big reveals through these videos may lessen their impact when you get there. My two cents is to blow through the books, and then return to these videos for awesome context and commentary that will flesh out your understanding and love of the series. Glad to hear that you are enjoying it so far though! It really is a wonderful series.

I always thought the 'Great Enemy' that Leto was talking about was the 'predator' to our 'prey,' a constant pressure that encourages humanity to become faster, stronger, more versatile thru evolution. For instance, the Bene Gesserit control most of the Old Empire, but they were overthrown by the Honored Matres, who in turn were fleeing an even more powerful enemy. Each of them were prey to others, each were predator to others, and that required them to grow and change. When you look at the whole original series, in Dune there is all these different people but they only do one thing: Mentats, Face Dancers, Bene Gesserit, swordmasters etc. Like different breeds of dogs, bred for a purpose. But in Heretics you have Ixians, different Bene Gesserit, Bene Tleilax, all jockeying for position and being confronted by new rivals, much more like different packs of wild animals. God-Emperor always struck me as more meta, more about the ideas of evolution and strength thru growth thru adversity, that's why I never really considered the series to have a 'missing' book. The expanded books with the artificial intelligence just didn't seem to resonate with the scale of epic that the original did. Chapterhouse ended perfectly for me, some things got resolved, others didn't, but it was just a small window on a time after Leto, it was never meant to be a complete story just a chapter in an eternal one.

@alandgomez5905

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting take. I haven't read the books but I get what you're saying.

@sebsunda

4 жыл бұрын

@Justin Madsen: THAT!!! Thank you!

@tsuba14

4 жыл бұрын

the AI great enemy seems like such a cop-out. i really hope that was not Herbert's original idea

@reichplatz

4 жыл бұрын

"the Bene Gesserit control most of the Old Empire, but they were overthrown by the Honored Matres" Im pretty sure BG were never a major power since Leto II became the Emperor.

@greenkostia

4 жыл бұрын

Successful predators don't hunt their prey to extinction. Leto had to do something unnatural himself to save humanity from something non human.

Leto's Ghost: "All according to keikaku..."

The great enemy is so terrifying and powerful that the only thing they could do was to either flee or hide.

He played the long game and use human psychology to force them to migrate and evolve such genius

Awesome video that is always high quality and thought out. Keep Them Coming and once again, thank you for reawakening the need to read Dune !!

Arguably the best ever Sci-fi series of books ever written. The knowledge and imagination of Herbert is awe inspiring. I selfishly wish he lived longer to write more books after Chapterhouse.

Dune is one of my favorite universes with the craziest lore of all time, I love these videos!

@jonathancox1231

Жыл бұрын

What an amazing beautiful horrifying world Herbert's mind was,

Dude... I just wanna say Thanks for creating these videos. I've been A Fan of the Dune story since I was about 11 years old (1991). I haven't read the books yet but I'm going to now because of these videos you make. Keep Up the Awesome Work.

i seriously appreciate all the work you put into this! ive been inspired to finish reading the original 6 books! i only got so far as to finish children of dune when i read them 15 years ago. i decided to re read the original trilogy and im so glad i did, what a different perspective i have reading it as an adult rather than a teenager. still impactful as ever. i was crying when the children of dune were born . thank you so much!

@jonathancox1231

Жыл бұрын

Right as you get older you can appreciate the world that Herbert created,

Extremelly well done. Thanks!

I'm so excited to see your videos on the next books!

Thank you for these videos!

I am enjoying the videos on Dune a lot. It’s been a fixture of my ever changing book collection since I was a teenager.

This was....extremely well spoken. I knew everything said, but I enjoy hearing it summarised. Great video

Excellent, thank you. Always glad to see a new video.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm so stoked for the redux of Dune coming out next year. Love this channel, it's motivated me to go back and read the trilogy again!

I absolutely LOVE this channel, your expositions are always enlightening...can you tell me please where in GEOD does Leto II refer to this machine god He fears is coming for humanity? Thanks.

Before the kid's work, I assumed the great enemy were aliens of some kind.

Love your channel very informative as I'm a huge dune fan

Love your vids man. Especialy your Dune vids. So glad my friend introduced me to your channel!

Thanks, man. Always looking forward to a new Dune vid from you.

Thank you for covering Dune. Its older so not as many people know about it. So hard find really good lore channels like yours. Maybe upcoming movie will change that. I had been hoping SCFY would made a third movie. I thought first 2 were decent.

Love all your content, especially the Duniverse stuff!!

I won't lie. I love this channel. I could sleep on a bed of this guy's voice. Don't know who you are Quinn, but, keep it up. Loving it over here

This all reminds me of Westworld S3. Which I'm sure I've heard you mention. Rehoboam is very Leto-esque in its function and methods. Keeping humanity on a set path, but leading it to stagnate from lack of freedom of creative thought. But it also is like the Great Enemy. Perhaps a machine could be prescient but it seems more likely that it would work like Rehoboam. Predicting the future based on human behavior. And purging those whose actions are too unpredictable to be useful to its calculations.

Thanks to your videos, I reread all of the original Dune Saga and will finish Chapterhouse for the first time soon. Thanks for your effort and keep up the good work!!

Awesome learning altot of the Dune sagas thank you

You have done these well.

Loved this video and your narration! You should do a segment on Face Dancers.

@zooropa04

5 жыл бұрын

Hard agree!

@rosa.ali88

5 жыл бұрын

he did they are called tileaux kzread.info/dash/bejne/nYdrlpizZJSzp5c.html

Hi I just want to say that i really love your videos and your voice is amazing to demonstrate the coldness of some lines from de dune books . Also I'm really happy to have founded your channel because in my country (Portugal) nobody knows dune , and by the way do you also se the relationship between Paul and Leto are a parallel to god and Jesus ?

Where do you get the artwork? I read the books over 20 years ago and am glad to get a refresher in your series. Thank you.

Pretty interesting and awesome video as always Ideas Of Fire And Ice !

The time after he died would make an awesome RPG.

@illuminocalypse5210

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed it does! I actually made a homebrew campaign setting based in the Heretics/Chapterhouse era using GURPS - I ran it for my friends about a decade ago and the campaign lasted about 2 years. It was a REALLY fun setting :) Let me know if you'd ever be interested in having a look at what I made! I'd be happy to share it with anyone who'd like to see it ^_^

@diogenesstudent5585

2 жыл бұрын

@@illuminocalypse5210 I want to see it.

@donkeykong4983

2 жыл бұрын

✝️✝️

Awesome video

Love your stuff bro!

your videos are awesome!!!!!

Frank Herbert had a beautiful mind

@walangchahangyelingden8252

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, he was just interested. Enough to learn, enough to think, enough to write. You do not need to be special to write, only the need.

@OkurkaBinLadin

3 жыл бұрын

@@walangchahangyelingden8252 So where is your Dune, "thinker"?

@walangchahangyelingden8252

3 жыл бұрын

@@OkurkaBinLadin Still searching. How about you?

I can feel that if Frank are setting up the Great Enemy that Leto's preparing for.. but unfortunately he passed away..

I'm really glad that you make a distinction between the real Dune Chronicles and the drivel books that cash in on the Herbert name.

Would love to see what happened during those years, of vast space travel! I want to see what happened to Vorian Atriedes, when did he die, if he died at all! Was he the last to survive, with the life extension process? He might be still traveling the cosmos!

Fair and unbiased. I like this one. Keep it up.

Dude you're awesome!

As always, a great video. But there is an unknown factor in the last three books, that stands out of the general theory of the Golden Path. This is the constant recreation of Duncan Idaho as a ghola with awakened memories. I think that is pretty much the only thing that BH and KJA got right. Duncan had a purpose to become the ultimate real Kwizatz Haderach. And on a side note. Am I the only one that see the similarities between the advanced Face Dancers of Dune, and the Faceless men in ASOIAF. For all we know, they could have replaced all significat people in the world, and nobody outside, except perhaps Aray (and the Night King?), would know it. Just a wild fan theory. :)

@IdgaradLyracant

5 жыл бұрын

Duncan is the avatar of Free Will. He's a cosmic constant, a wild card, the inverted KH, that glimmer of chaos that keeps the universe free. He is free from fate, destiny, even death. A real god hiding in plain sight.

@happyhammer1

5 жыл бұрын

There is a lot of similarities between Dune and ASoIaF. While I have never read that he has, I'm going to guess George R Martin was influenced by Dune.

@henrikg1388

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. There are too many similarities for it to be coincidental. And if you're a Fantasy/Scifi author, it is quite improbable to NOT having read at least the first book.

@klyanadkmorr

5 жыл бұрын

I am the one who has posted this fact in many places MANYTIMES AND how their concept parallel the Star Trek DS9 writers' concept of Changlings changing faces identities. GRRM has said manytimes he is also a fan of scifi and probabaly beside Tolkien taken many theme ideas from DUNE Frank Herbert. Star Wars Prequels Lucas tried to quick introduce a mercenary changling creaturespy in the Prequels Attack of the Clones Dune Revenant is a better than Brian Herbert fan novel published to continue Frank's Chronicles - download links to pdfs - www.oocities.org/dune_revenant/ It posits that the Terror attacking the Honored Matres evolved from the Face Dancer Txlexiu who ended up merging themselves after dying into a one huge omni being from all of the individuals they aborbed mimicking. Like the StarTrek DS9 Greatlink going out enmass to attack absorb all solids.

@henrikg1388

5 жыл бұрын

Cool down. I didn't say I was first about anything. :) I didn't think about the changelings in ST DS9. That's a similar concept. However I would say that Star Trek and the Dominion is a much thinner idea with less background theory than the Tleilaxu, who are deep down religious fanatics (powindah!). They gained immortality through replicating themselves as gholas. They sent their face dancers into the scattering where they acheive independency of mind and come back to kick their butts (if you believe that they were the real enemy). Philosophically it is a way more complex concept, and conceived of much earlier than Star Trek or Star Wars.

These videos are amazing, but I’ve lost so much productivity!

Quinn you bloody rock mate!

"The expanded Dune books by brian her...." I stopped here ^^ Great video anyways, I hope Villeneuve watch it ^^

@applecrow8

4 жыл бұрын

There are six Dune Books and Frank is their Author.

@peterkelemen1157

3 жыл бұрын

@sean bowman no he didn't

I've only made it up to God Emperor of Dune so I don't know what the last 2 official Frank Herbert books entail on the subject. One thing that's puzzled me about the Dune universe is the apparent lack of biological machines that were bred (like the star wars legends yuuzhan vong or Species 8472 in Star Trek) and not built in light of the ideological pendulum swinging back against mechanical machines of the Butlerian Jihad and yet having the role of machines an empty void of sorts. The closest I could come would be the eagerness of the sand trout wanting to join with Leto II (which implies that they might have been bred for that purpose by some long extinct civilization). Assuming that the great enemy that Leto II feared is a biological machine race it probably has some sort of genetic ancestor of humans in order to utilize prescience (barring the route that anything biological can be simulated by a mechanical machine and thus tap into prescience which does seem to be a Frank Herbert theme). Just an idea I wanted to share as there is know way to ever know that is what Frank Herbert intended.

@TakZ000

4 жыл бұрын

Bene Tleilaxu are experts on "biological machines". Face Dancers is a great example. Or that sligs they produce. Even the Tleilaxu masters themselves are continuous re-incarnations of themselves.

So it's basically that theory about Palpatine that says he was militarizing the galaxy to fight the Yuzhon Vong, except its not a theory here.

@robertnett9793

2 жыл бұрын

And it predates StarWars for about two decades :D I would bet, one George Lucas might also have read the Dune books.

@MrRemicas

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertnett9793 Maybe. Though the Yuuzhan Vong weren't his idea. At first the Emperor was supposed to be unimportant. In the novellisation of the first movie, he's described as just a senator who ended up Emperor, but pretty much a puppet for the the real bad guys. Though Lucas changed his mind about it, and made him simply a figure of pure evil. Lucas wasn't really interested in doing something more complex than a good old good vs evil story inspired by the Flash Gordon serials of his youth (among other things). At most he partly saw the Empire as taking its roots in Nixon's America and liked the trope of the plucky Vietcong defeating à vastly more powerful and technologically advanced opponent. With laser swords thrown in because they're just cool.

@oldphe1733

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrRemicas the Yuuzhan Vong actually was his idea. In the 90’s, during the launch of the New Jedi Order era of the Expanded Universe, they originally wanted to make a resurgent Sith species the enemy of the era, but Lucas vetoed it and was one of the people who created the Yuuzhan Vong as an alternative

@princessirulancorrino4695

2 жыл бұрын

Not at all. The Emperor was a tyrant in itself, a skilfull politician and a powerful sith lord who wanted to rule the galaxy throught terror and control. He wasn’t even aware of the threat of the Yuuzhan Vong. Thrawn, on the other hand knew about this threat and he joined the Empire in an attempt to use the Empire to fight this menace in order to protect his people, the Chiss and the rest of the galaxy.

honestly, i belive the "golden path" is actually what causes the great enemy as well.

I wonder if the Great Enemy isn't a specific 'entity' or 'bad guy' so to speak. It's more of a 'end to humanity' type concept. Be it an immortal-esque tyrant like Leto himself, but dictatorial, cruel and with not even a basic sense of empathy. Or it's a super AI with intent on exterminating all life, etc. etc. It's about preparing and changing humanity to the point of avoiding those types of ends, and also prepare them to resist that kind of enemy should the 'perfect end' not be reached.

@jonathancox1231

Жыл бұрын

Ding ding ding...we have a winner,the worm god saw the honored matres were coming to come, and on there heels,the machines

@kinagrill

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathancox1231 Im just nerding over the concept of 'not a specific Big Bad', so to speak. But more of a Maze-navigation with one wrong path taken leads to utter destruction for humanity.

Another great video. I look forward to you examining the Brian Brian Herbert Kevin J. Anderson "Dune " books especially the prequels as they put forth some interesting ideas though I disagree with many of them.

The video was great, someone who really understands book four

The other scattered humans eventually became The Imperium of Mankind led by Leto's Ghola The Emperor Of Mankind in the Warhammer:40K universe ;)

@vickyvvvv8182

5 жыл бұрын

and the great enemy is the great crusade seeking to destroy the old imperium

@forrestdorman4870

4 жыл бұрын

You speak great heresy. You’re end shall be well deserved.

@donraccoonisoverlordofther9341

4 жыл бұрын

@@vickyvvvv8182 There is a flaw in this. If the Emperor is Leto's Ghola, meaning that he wants to reshape the old one, why give the old ”empire” the ability to resist the new one? This theory might work with the Parriah gene, although it is known that it was placed by the Deciever.

I want to re-read the series! It's been a minute.

Chapterhouse demonstrates that Leto failed. The super Face Dancers who called themselves Daniel and Marty had prescience so powerful that they could not only see the last Duncan Idaho ghola, who was himself prescient and thus should have been invisible to prescience, but they could see him while he was sequestered *inside* a no-ship! By definition, Leto could not foresee what would happen in the Scattering. He could not see no-ships or people with the Siona gene. That meant that much of what happened in the Scattering was hidden from his prescient vision. Perhaps, in worrying so much about a machine threat, Leto neglected to consider the *biological* threat posed by the Bene Tleilaxu and their ongoing efforts to create more evolved Face Dancers? After all, in the course of evolution, species are frequently replaced by other species with superior adaptations. The Butlerian Jihad naively obsessed over the mechanical, and neglected the biological. Through genetic engineering, a species capable of replacing humanity could be created. The super Face Dancers were post-humans, capable of changing their forms, stealing the minds of others and ultimately developing prescience even greater than Leto's.

@kennethfharkin

5 жыл бұрын

If anyone understood evolution it was Leto. Humans evolving into the Face Dancers at the end of Chapterhouse I believe would be a far superior option to Leto than being conquered and exterminated by machines. It is still humanity, just a new and different version of it.

@daniels7907

5 жыл бұрын

@@kennethfharkin No, it is *different species* that would be *replacing* humanity. The only difference between a future of Face Dancers and thinking machines would be that the Face Dancers are biological rather than mechanical. But they are still *artificial* and *not* a product of evolution.

@kennethfharkin

5 жыл бұрын

@@daniels7907 I do not know if I agree with you. Evolution is the propagation of beneficial traits to the survival of the species. That means something as simple as dog breeding for certain traits is evolution in action. Likewise Leto's own breeding plan was evolution, again controlled by a specific will just as dog breeders breed for certain traits. The Face Dancers have developed through biology other traits which they have reinforced through their own breeding programs because we cannot forget what those "tanks" actually are. Face Dancers are still derived from humans and are biological beings. Machines absolutely are not. Who knows, perhaps Face Dancers are the variation of humanity which will move forward as the others fade like Neanderthal did. Perhaps the presence of Face Dancers in their new forms will allow all of humanity to thrive thanks to the added diversity. Sadly we will never know because the series died with Frank Herbert and nothing written since is worth pissing on to put out if it were on fire.

@daniels7907

5 жыл бұрын

@@kennethfharkin I know this is science fiction. But the amount of genetic difference required to support the various Face Dancer traits, most especially shapeshifting, is just too great to even call them a human sub-species. We have more in common with dogs than we would have with Face Dancers. Remember, they were designed to be *tools* of their Tleilaxu masters, not an independent population. And they only look human in order to blend in. They could not even procreate and had to be grown in Axolotl Tanks. So the Tleilaxu had no motive to design them to be even close to humans genetically-speaking. Just consider that the closest thing in nature to their shapeshifting ability is found in cephalopods! They themselves have no need to try to bring themselves closer to the human species. After all, they can mimic us at will, and even steal our minds. Humans did *not* "evolve" into Face Dancers. Humans *created* Face Dancers, who now seek to replace humanity.

@LORDNAG1

5 жыл бұрын

@@kennethfharkin yea you don't understand evolution at all, the fact your even remotely suggesting neathrals are homosapien is laughable and down right stupid willful ignorance.

When Leto reveals the idea of the Ixians creating machines that would erase humanity he also says he prevented that from happening. He just uses it as an excuse to probe the place where Noree was born.

Thank you I love you.

Hi Quinn! I'm a very big fan of Dune and your whole s-f content! I'd like to ask you about this thought I've got on God Emperor's Plan and the Scattering: Isn't the Scattering also about making the sex undependend on each other? I thought about the love that was used as the weapon against Leto II and the further development of Tleilaxu and Honored Matres - which are the civilizations of only men without women and women without men, and they were seeking the path to survive without each other - therefore Leto II created Universe where love was no more needed, the exception was Duncan and Murbella, but we sadly were no able to seen the solution for their relationship and it's influence on the saga as Frank Herbert intended.

After finding myself unable to let the ending of "Chapterhouse: Dune" (which I finished just yesterday) sit without any sense of resolution, I've held my breath and taken the plunge into the two sequel novels written by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson, based on Frank's notes (not the prequels though; I have no interest in those). I really enjoyed getting this little recap of the Great Enemy, as I'm sure I'll be meeting them soon in the books. You do fantastic work; I'm definitely looking forward to your video on "Heretics of Dune."

Can pumpkin spice allow me to achieve faster than light speed?

@anatypicallyhumanperson7200

5 жыл бұрын

Ya need allspice for that

@stephenandrzejewski6765

5 жыл бұрын

No, you need Old Spice Red Zone Body Wash.

@armyofninjas9055

5 жыл бұрын

You're all wrong. You need pumpkin super spice.

@ismata3274

5 жыл бұрын

😆 maybe because of all the calories sure to accompany it. or if an alcoholic beverage will be present. i myself however would prefer "sage" to enhance the mind. can be false advertisement though.

@the_curtains

5 жыл бұрын

The pumpkin must flow!!!

The Golden path is just the ultimate ETF. Ultimate diversification.

Since IX had ships, why haven't it filled the power vacuum, created by Leto's demise by restoring communication between worlds, saving them from famine?

Can i know where you take your artwork/background pics from?

Hey would you ever consider doing a narrated Dune series?

Is it me or has any one told you to use that voice of yours to use it for audio books? Just saying

That one picture makes Leto the 2nd look like a Graboid-human hybrid.

The spice must flow!!

6:03: that is Murbella! I'd know her anywhere.

What if the great enemy is the fear itself that there would be one despite of probably not happening ever?

I just had an idea what the great enemy coul've been. How about a Ghola of Leto II, who came to a different conclusion about humanity? Such a being surely could create a machine empire and wage a terrible war of destruction.

@luketurner1386

5 жыл бұрын

all good but how would of The Bene Tleilax have gotten his DNA to create a ghola?

@AlexJones-ue1ll

5 жыл бұрын

@@luketurner1386 the last Tleilax Master in exile on Wallach and hidden from the Honored Matres by the Bene Geserit had a no-capsule hidden in his chest containing vast amounts of cells, ranging from Muad'dib to Duncan and Stilgar and Chani and all the others. As how to get Leto II. cells? He was wounded by the lions and his cloak soaked in blood. The cloak was presented as proof of Leto's death, so there would be DNA on it from Leto II.

@daniels7907

5 жыл бұрын

Leto was last year's model. Miles Teg (a descendant of Ghanima and Farad'n) would manifest prescience capable of detecting no-ships, something even Leto could not do. Likewise, the last Duncan Idaho ghola, as well as the super Face Dancers calling themselves Daniel and Marty, had prescience that could extend *inside* a no-ship! By the time of Chapterhouse Dune, setting out to recreate Paul or Leto would, if anything, have been setting the bar *way* too low!

@daniels7907

5 жыл бұрын

@yeah, right In what way?

Recommend the Lensman series by Edward E Smith

I've not even watched the movie or read the book but I've binged all these videos. Welp.

I love Dune!

Where did it specify in God Emperor of Dune Leto's thoughts on the great enemy, or was it in another piece of literature (or appendix)? I read a the book a couple of times and I only remember a vision that Siona saw where the machines were coming for humanity and humanity was trembling in fear and unable to move or escape.I never read heretic of dune/Chapterhouse, I plan on getting to it, is it in his journals?

Would you consider doing a video on why the Brian Herbert books are generally not well regarded by many Dune fans?

@DARisse-ji1yw

4 жыл бұрын

The word " potboiler" explains all !

@corvus8638

2 ай бұрын

Well it feels like one is reading a book written by a child so…

I love all your uploads. Huge Dune fan. I do not understand the representations of the God Emperor tho. The book is very clear. A fully formed work with a face where the mouth would normally be. Remnants of his kegs and arms protruding from the body like flippers. These that have half a human body jutting from the top are wholly inaccurate

@mikeman4223

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah all those illustrations might be pretty, but they're missing the point - I think they're more to demonstrate how good the artist is in drawing creatures. Leto II was not impressive, he was fucking BIZARRE and gross. Like you said basically a worm body with just his fucking face poking out. Even Moneo couldn't get used to that. If the depiction looks "cool", its not Leto II.

Loved the first book. Read the next two. The story got labored. Now its just a mess of ideas from a bunch of different writers. Dune was always.a slow, thoughtful story with a lot of drama and a little action to top it off. It needs some compelling writing to take off again. I like the core concept of man vs machine.

Really like your Dune commentary. It occurs to me, as something to recommend, that the stories of R. P. Bird might be interesting for you to look into. His website is robird,com, and he is on DFacebook under R. P. Bird. His series of novels set in a universe called "The Realm Of The Gods" deals with many of the same issues as the Dune series. I believe most of the books are on Amazon as e-books. The basic idea is that some humans have literally given themselves godlike power, and rule the other humans. There is a small sub-set of humanity that lives outside of the Realm Of The Gods, and the stories revolve around their attempt to remain free, and even perhaps resist the godlike tyrants of the Realm. Since the tyrants are often at war with one another, some of the free humans serve as mercenaries, the best fighters in the known universe, eventually become vital to the system of tyranny set up by the godlike human tyrants. This also gives these free human mercenaries an ability to work against the Realm from inside. Of course it is also the case that they can also become so enmeshed in the system that they are co-opted into servings its' needs despite their ultimate goal of overthrowing it. It's a well thought out storyline. Hope you like it.

Maybe someone already pointed this out, but I’m pretty sure that it’s revealed in Chapterhouse that the Honored Matres were Tleilaxu women, who until that point, had never been seen by anyone outside of Tleilaxu. Apologies for spelling errors, I’m going off memory

@Ensign_Cthulhu

2 жыл бұрын

No, they're a forced union of Fish Speakers and Reverend Mothers in extremis, i.e. who were dying and desperate for someone to pass their knowledge on to. So my guess is that basically they fast-tracked them through the Spice Agony so they could do the Shared Memory thing, but didn't have the time to develop the proper mental and organizational discipline to truly resurrect Bene Gesserit ways. The end effect was to create people with most of the powers but none of the discipline. Sort of like Anakin Skywalker, if you can imagine Obi-Wan fleeing beyond the bounds of the Empire not knowing if Yoda is alive or not, trying to restart the Jedi order but making the same mistakes with all of his padawans and not caring about it because as far as he knows, the alternative is the complete extinction of the Jedi. Or if all he can create is thousands of trainees who got as far as Luke did before he met Yoda, but with none of the discipline or toughening up that Luke got on Dagobah.

Interesting story I wonder how much the films will adapt from the books

@Kenshiro3rd

5 жыл бұрын

My understanding is that the film is going to be a duology adapting the original novel.

@Outlaw8908

5 жыл бұрын

I would not get too excited. They may ditch or alter things to be simplified. Like the later Game of Thrones seasons.

@MetalSlugzMaster

5 жыл бұрын

Impossible to adopt even a fraction of the books. Herbert went about much of the world building through characters' internal thoughts and lengthy dialogue. Expressing all this through a visual medium would take scores of film installments. If an interesting visual design and good acting performances happen, that alone would be satisfactory to me.

@corvus8638

2 ай бұрын

@@MetalSlugzMasterWell you turned out to be wrong

Leto the II knew of the Machines existence, that was the purpose of the "Golden Path" to scatter humanity so far and wide across the universe that it would be impossibly difficult for the Machines to wipe out humanity.

@stephenandrzejewski6765

5 жыл бұрын

In the originals, my understanding was that the great threat were facedancers.

@thegoodwin

5 жыл бұрын

@@stephenandrzejewski6765 , the greater threat is whatever humanity has created whether as thinking machines or the face dancers (i.e. biological created machines in their own way).

@Shan_Dalamani

5 жыл бұрын

Marty and Daniel were Face Dancers, not robots.

@TentaclePentacle

5 жыл бұрын

@Stephen Andrzejewski the great enemy was revealed to be the machines in Siona's visions when she went out with leto into the desert to be tested. It was revealed in god emperor of dune.

@silasclayton7777

5 жыл бұрын

@@TentaclePentacle it was Ixian Hunter Killers that they lost control of wasn't it?

I noticed that there are a lot of similarities in the historical paths between the Dune Universe and Asimov's Foundation. Both expand over several tenthousand years. In both the Earth as an origin world is almost forgotten and ended up as nuclear wasteland. Both Universes are ruled as Empires, after a long period of wars within smaller kingdoms. Both have banished artificial intelligence, in Dune Butlers Djihad defeated AI overlords, while in the Foundation Robots where bound by the Laws but got destroyed anyway. Both have a sort of "Dark Age" and both uses Religion as a Vehicle to rule. Finally, both share fear of destruction from non human intelligence, while none of them ever found any in the entire galaxy. Wonder how it would mix should Arrakis exist somewhere in the sector of Trantor.

Great vid. Arafel =super AI

I would definitely take part in the pleasures of the houris, fish speakers, and honored matre's lol Malky is one of my favorite characters.

leto's idea is basically to artificially spur geographic and genetic radiation so there's no bottleneck. shows Herbert understood ecology/biology (as was his interest).

The Bene Gesserit created the stability and the conditions of stagnation then the created the Kwisatz Haderac, who created the scattering which was the destruction of that stability and stagnation. Ergo, they were pretty redundant and useless in the long run. Simply leaving humanity alone and letting them do the normal human thing might have gotten the same results.