What do you think, was Dune 2 an instant masterpiece or is it overrated?

@enterthebruce91

3 ай бұрын

Overrated, boring with a convoluted and confusing as hell plot, full of characters I couldn't care less about, much like part one (I saw it in the cinema the other day). Literally, the only saving grace about Dune part 1 and 2 is the cinematography, but good cinematography alone does not make a film a 'masterpiece'-Good direction, writing, cinematography with memorable characters and quotable lines is what makes a film truly great. I'm not really a fan of Sci-Fi in general anyway but I'll say that Avatar and Avatar: The way of Water is far superior to this nonsensical rubbish. My favourite film and TV series recommendations: The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Banshee, Rome, Band of Brothers, The Pacific, Beef, Blue Eye Samurai, Tokyo Vice, The Iron Claw, The Lighthouse, Beau is Afraid, The Northman, Whiplash etc. A24 and HBO are the only ones I trust to consistently put out quality content these days. Nice one, good review here! 👍🏽

@PPC4

3 ай бұрын

Very overrated. Beautiful yes and the sound design was incredible but it felt like i was watching a power point presentation it was so badly edited. One minute he's doing an SAS selection style survival mission being warned of centipedes and trapdoor spiders the next he's cooing over his girlfriend while she mumbles something about windmills then the very next scene hes attacking a harvester command and conquer style. Then his pregnant mother gets an ultimatum under threat of execution to become a reverend mother of a deeply religious culture by drinking poison (did i say she was pregnant) yet five minutes ago they were hissing and scorning her. She then departs to take a 1000 mile journey south on a sand worm through viscious storms yet later in the film Paul gets there in like five minutes somewhow and chani turns up separately flying an ornithopter....like where the hell did she get that from? let alone know how to fly it. it was just sloppy. Oh and the great sadistic bad guys role ended as fast as it started and his brother was shown twice as being as roided up coward.

@nameless616

3 ай бұрын

Dune was good, but it wasn't my Dune. I have a lot of issues with the films, but I enjoyed them overall, and it was nice seeing a book adapted into a film by a team who actually like the source material. There were only two alterations from the book that moved beyond "I dislike this change, but understand the reasoning behind it" to "This is dogshit", and they were both in the first part. Part 1: 7.5/10 Part 2: 8.5/10 Will be buying the box set.

@danielkjm

3 ай бұрын

If you turn off your brain and dont think aboth the plot is a 10/10 but if you understand the movie and its several plot holes and inconsistences the movie is a 6/10 and the moral is Royal Blood people know the future better then you and are literal better/stronger then you, and only "important/Rich" people can lead and rule.

@h1ob355

3 ай бұрын

.....but a brave question, I have to admit.

Overrated. I mean, I enjoyed it and I think it is decent, but "masterpiece" is a big word. The pacing was a mess and there were lowkey out of context incoherence that non readers would never get, like the artillery scene ("artillery, genius" - Baron Kingpinhonnen). Not to mention the movie spends 90 minutes into long shots and contemplation and then accelerates without warning. And they failed completely at connecting the audience to Chani and with a reason, her only relevance in the books is to be the mother of Leto II so why hype her so much? Does Zendaya weights that much in the industry?

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

"Kingpinhonnen" lol Honestly, I have no idea why the industry is pushing Zendaya on the public as hard as they are. Well, I can guess. But it's not working. She can't headline a movie and put butts in seats.

@BIBuildy

2 ай бұрын

They really are pushing Zandaya at us pretty hard. Just about anyone else would have been a better Chani.

It's definitely overrated.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

You don't think it's better than The Empire Strikes Back or the entire Lord of the Rings Trilogy like some have said on KZread LOL

@di3486

2 ай бұрын

@@CopaExMachinalmaooo, blasphemy!

Feyd really gets around

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

Austin Butler is the new Pedro Pascal

For all the epic action setpieces, the knife fights are very weak and anticlimactic. Especially since Feyd has a tiny role, his finale needed to be much bigger. Also Zendayas character was unnecessary in this adaptation. They could have cut her out of the movie and nothing would change.

Wait...if you drink worm semen you trip balls and become a space tyrant? Time to go do some worm tuggin'

Thank you for this amazing review! I needed this clarity in all this hype! Agree with each and every point you've made. It is the current state of cinema that elevates Dune 2 more than it deserves. Villeneuve's form over substance approach is not gonna stand the test of time.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

It's really a sad state of affairs isn't it? An okay movie like Dune 2 is elevated to instant classic status because of the low bar set by its contemporaries.

@motconheongu

3 ай бұрын

It's sad indeed and I dread the implication this has for the foreseeable future of cinema but at least we've got to enjoy your review. I found it more entertaining than the movie itself @@CopaExMachina

@PPC4

3 ай бұрын

There's a lot of films that come that seem to automatically get over hyped and are mediocre at best. Most of the recent Marvel films have been boring as hell to watch.

How can Paula Treides be the chosen one? He doesn't have sunglasses or a trench coat. Where's his flip phone? Does he even know kung fu? 🤔

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

Not once did Paula say "whoa!" in utter amazement. 5/10. He is not The One.

@booshmcfadden7638

4 ай бұрын

"Why? What? Why? Who? Why? What?" do you feel fulfilled now?

@Melvin-Deeply

4 ай бұрын

@@booshmcfadden7638 Sometimes :)

@Melvin-Deeply

4 ай бұрын

@@CopaExMachina Would you follow that McLovin looking beta into battle? I wouldn't follow him into a truck stop bathroom. 😬

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

@@Melvin-Deeply He's such a twink dude. I'm just going to go with whatever Gurney tells me to do.

Dune 2 has brought mass hysteria because it had better effects than a Marvel Movie but it was style over substance.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

Where do you think Dune 2 went wrong? What do you think it did right?

"DUNC by Calvin Klein"

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

You press the bottle down and a bunch of sand sprays out

Dune 2 is missing anger. They were ambushed. A father was taken away and yet I see no anger and revenge, thirst for blood. The ultimate power should be someone who’s willing to kill. I don’t see it in Paul’s eyes.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

The only time Paul expresses anger is when a woman is cutting him off while speaking

Is it weird I'm playing with my sandworm while watching this?

@ScriptedByJana

4 ай бұрын

Yes.

@CannoliSasquatch

4 ай бұрын

@@ScriptedByJana Then I embrace the weirdness

@ScriptedByJana

4 ай бұрын

@@CannoliSasquatch weirdo.

@StephenRansom47

4 ай бұрын

😳 “may thy worm chip and shatter…” Baul Twinkle Toes

@CannoliSasquatch

4 ай бұрын

@@ScriptedByJana That's not an insult to me JANA lol

The split of Paul and Chani feels untrue to you in Dune 2 because it was forced in there. Book Chani didn't care.

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

Without having read the books, this makes complete and total sense on why this moment didn't feel right in Dune Part 2.

@humbleopulence

3 ай бұрын

​@@CopaExMachinaChan'i is ride or die. She is Liet kynes' daughter and Paul and her bond over both their fathers (kynes' is a man in the book) done dirty by the Harkonnens and Emperor. She has doubts at first, but that ends pretty quick when they fall in love.

@LordoftheBlingxX

3 ай бұрын

@@BIBuildy Book Chani had zero issues with Paul's decision. They are going to girlboss Chani in the next one. Mark my words.

@LordoftheBlingxX

3 ай бұрын

@@BIBuildy I like her too. She was smart and cunning. She completely understood Paul and was his ride or die.

Penis Vuvuzela has achieved so many things with these 2 movies. Ground-breaking special effects, some other stuff, hiring activists instead of actors, ground-breaking special effects, noise called music, ground-breaking special effects, girls that look like boys and boys that look like girls, ground-breaking special effects, the color grey... just to name a few. I liked Dune pt 1 and pt 2, but it isn't Frank Herbert's Dune. They are good movies despite a lot of issues I have. The casting was so far off, they might as well have hired me for the role of Chani. I liked Stilgar because Javier Bardem is a badass, and Austin Butler as Feyd was as disturbing as he is supposed to be despite looking like the alien autopsy from Area 51. So many things could have been done better.

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

I want to see you as Chani ASAP.

@booshmcfadden7638

4 ай бұрын

@@CopaExMachina Can do! Let me go remove my breasts and schedule my butt-ectomy.

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

@@booshmcfadden7638 Okay let's not be hasty cuttin' that cake dude

@akebengtsson1223

3 ай бұрын

?? Hans Zimmers music is the only thing saving this move from sub 7/10 level..

@BIBuildy

2 ай бұрын

@@akebengtsson1223 You mean Honk-simmer?

Dune 2 has changed the history of documentaries forever. Period.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

Documentaries? lol Dunc-umentaries maybe

"Jason Momoa as Jason Momoa playing Ducan Idaho" this may be the perfect description of Jason Momoa as Duncan Idaho

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

@@BIBuildy I think that's the only time we see Jason Momoa actually play a character not Mamowa-esque.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

Stellan Skarsgård on the other hand is a hardbody in this movie.

Describing all of Zendaya's scenes in Dune looking like a perfume ad is perfection 🤣

Overrated.... The 1984 version was better...

@CopaExMachina

2 ай бұрын

Very much in agreement on this

Zendaya is the female equivalent of Zoolander. LOL

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

LOL I mean she's got 1 look. I feel like I am taking crazy pills here!

@amateuranalyst

4 ай бұрын

@@CopaExMachina I knew what you meant haha, she still can't pull of 'blue steel'

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

@@amateuranalyst She's definitely an ambiturner. She can turn and look anywhere you want her to 😂

@BIBuildy

4 ай бұрын

Turn and stare... that's IT. Perfect!

It´s an uninspired, overpriced movie by an otherwise gifted director. And that is that.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

Are you a fan of the Dune books?

@h1ob355

3 ай бұрын

@@CopaExMachina I read the first one once, long time ago, when I was a teen. Liked it, and I like the Lynch movie for the same reasons I dislike the recent ones. The new movies are technically as good as they could be, but they totally lack any kind of immersion for me.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

@@h1ob355 Everything you just said about the new Dune movies is accurate and true.

I thought you knew the book? You’ve destroyed part one and have completely destroyed part 2 and made me very proud because this is truly overhyped crap with absolutely no understanding of the source material and I wish more people understood that. Yes it’s the best thing to come out so far but it’s crap for us who love the book.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

I have false started the Dune books more times than amateur sprinter but I could tell what was shoehorned in. I figure the big jumps in time meant huge storylines were cut. Mostly from a movie stand point, Dune Parts 1 and 2 are a pass but not up there with the great sagas of all time.

@irishnotsane9365

3 ай бұрын

@@CopaExMachina The 84 version fills in the missing points perfectly

Denis villanueve is the best at dialogue, I hear

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

"The best dialogue is the dialogue you never hear" - Denis NewWave

@EdgarTheOgre

2 ай бұрын

not even close

Mind you Spice is used for space travel in Dune and therefore anything high on spice fast travels. This also include the story itself that loves the smell of its own farts

Not a big Dune fan..think I will replay the first 3 Star Wars movies…but an enjoyable review

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

Time well spent in my opinion

Your observations about Honk-simmer are some of the best I've ever heard in a movie review. Well done sir. Honk!

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

Honk right back at you LOL. Honk-simmer has me dying right now you don't even know 💀

Hans zimmer is one of the worst "composers" right now, it's incredible how much he has fallen from grace and how people confused being blasted by noise with good music. Anyway, I will disagree though, both these movies are terribly acted, with shitty weightless dialogue, drab and grey and boring visuals, etc, just lifeless bs, they're marvel movies with some "artsy" window dressing.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

I 100% agree with you on Zimmer. Since when is noise making shot out of a cannon a good score? On the movie as a whole, I tend to lean your way. But I did think Timbo's Paul was given more dynamic to play with. Some of the secondary characters had their chance to shine. I didn't find myself nearly as bored as the first Dune. Dune 2 is good, teetering on just being fair. Could be all that "artsy" window dressing doing the talking for me though lol. Thanks for the comment.

Denis Win-lleneuve

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

Penis Via-NewWave

@FlaccidPhoenix

4 ай бұрын

@@CopaExMachina Penis > Stale-ly Pubic

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

@@FlaccidPhoenix 2069: A Sex Odyssey is undeniably a Stale-ly Pubic masterpiece unlike Troon

@BIBuildy

2 ай бұрын

Duni Vil-new-wave

Gorgeous Cinematics, Awful story . superficial characters . BS plot. nth connects. such a waste of money to create 3 hours of unconnected bs

@CopaExMachina

2 ай бұрын

You know you're not wrong but you also described a Zack Snyder movie

This movie rules

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

Relax, You're being hysterical.

@FlaccidPhoenix

4 ай бұрын

@@CopaExMachina sounds like you need to talk to Eagle Finger my guy

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

@@FlaccidPhoenix My sources at Disney confirmed your wrong, bud

I mean you are right that the movie is well shot and has impressive visuals, but the world itself feels drab, lifeless, and less vibrant than Lynch's version. I agree that these movies are extremely over hyped. Zendaya is awful, and J boy Chalamet is just as bad.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

All true. I felt these worlds were lived in more in part 2. There was enough story now to keep me engaged for the most part. Characters were dynamic to where each had their personalities apart from the other. But a lot of it still felt hollow and soulless. Thanks for the comment.

😊 please say more words … mispronounced, but serious… and sentences, please. More words in sentences. Then, if you’re up to it, paragraphs 🥰- please 🙏 Your Proper Noun Game- On Point. 🥵 So on point.

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

I had more in the tank. Timothee Shalamar. Penis Dilleneuve. Florence pew-pew-PEW-PUGH!

Lots agreed with the review but I don’t think it made dune good. I think there were good parts but the bad outnumber the good. I can’t take anyone seriously especially with Timothee as the protagonist and Javier screaming Lisa Al Gaib every other scene in the 3rd act. I can already see the parodies and memes of Stilgar as he drools all over Paul. I loved the visuals and some of the fight choreography was outstanding but like you said in your review the pacing was all over the place, the character development was lacking and the romance didn’t land. I was taken out of it everytime any of these qualities reared its head.

@CopaExMachina

24 күн бұрын

I think 2 was better than 1, but both are really just like ethots. Good to look at but damn there is nothing really going on upstairs worth a damn.

Imma watch this after I watch the movie (so like in 6 months or somethin)

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

I'm setting a timer for 6 months. A countdown timer. And it's under the hood of your car.

With all the rave reviews everywhere, i didn't expect it to turn out to be one of the most pretentious, boring and dumb sci-fi movie ever. Everyone in it is either angry, sad or depressed. No wonder they want that spice so much, to get high and escape from this depressing world.

@CopaExMachina

2 ай бұрын

Filled with melancholia and a bunch of scifi emo kids

Why do I have a feeling Flaccid is going to think this is a masterpiece?

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

You know for a fact Flacc Dawg will lie to himself about anything directed by Denise VilleNewWave.

@FlaccidPhoenix

4 ай бұрын

Because it is

@booshmcfadden7638

4 ай бұрын

Lofti vibes.

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

No where close to masterpiece my guy

@FlaccidPhoenix

4 ай бұрын

@@CopaExMachina Cope Dawg doing Cope Dawg things

Sting > Butler

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

Based and Police-pilled

I am still disappointed that the Spice Girls did not make a cameo.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

What are you talking about, Timothee Chalamet stars in both movies.

@AbbyGeffen

3 ай бұрын

@@CopaExMachina 😂🤣

The pacing seemed so off-putting to me and so much of the dialogue was expository in nature as you mentioned. I doubt a reading of the screenplay of the film would be so interesting on its own without the spectacular visuals to do so much of the heavy-lifting. I did find the final third of the film (after Feyd becomes ruler of Arrakis and Paul drinks the Water of Life) far more engaging and delivering on some emotional beats with some payoffs (although weaker than I think they could have been) for all the setup. Yet I wish these events occurred sooner in the film (ex: introduce Feyd a lot sooner, not halfway into the film) since I think it's only then that the film really kicks off.

@CopaExMachina

2 ай бұрын

All valid points, especially the intro to Feyd being in the middle of the second act. It's weird to introduce a major character at that point.

@darkengine5931

Ай бұрын

​@@CopaExMachina Much agreed! I also found Zendaya so uninteresting in the film as Chani. My absolute favorite scene was the war council scene when we get to see Paul's prescient transformation, the way Stilgar changes his tone to one of complete reverence as he fully believes Paul is the Lisan al Gaib, and the most subtle and emotional impact we see just through a couple brief shots of Gurney's facial expression as Paul dons his father's signet ring. That was such a emotionally powerful moment. If only we had a few more scenes as moving as this dispersed throughout the film, I wouldn't have such mixed reactions towards it. Yet there was also a glaring weak point for me that almost took me out of that scene, and that was the most exaggerated scowl and furrowed brows on Zendaya's face. There was nothing I found of the way she spoke her lines and her body language that communicated anything nuanced in the slightest compared to the likes of Javier Bardem, Josh Brolin, Rebecca Ferguson, and even Timothee Chalamet. I'm not sure how much we can blame Zendaya for this since I also find it such an odd writing decision to radically change Chani's character to be Paul's ultimate naysayer while still being his ultimate lover and supporter (in another way). At least that's a very ambitious change to the original story. Still, I'm at least reasonably sure that casting Zendaya for a character so radically changed in order to be governed by such extreme internal conflicts wasn't the wisest move. I have to question the changes to the writing even before that, but then the casting choice becomes especially questionable after.

The trailers make the movies seem really cinematic

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

Scorsese gave the trailer ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Absolute cinema

7 out of 10 for me.

@CopaExMachina

2 ай бұрын

That's about where I put it as well.

my husband calls it Beige..the movie.

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

LOL Khaki: The Motion Picture

Overrated. Never interested me.

@CopaExMachina

Ай бұрын

LOL but there are people out there calling this better than the LotR trilogy 😂

Did you ever see Dune from 1984?

@CopaExMachina

2 ай бұрын

Of course

so much sand. needs more bubbly

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

*Anakin Skywalker intensifies*

Honk that like button!

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

Hell yeah! HONK IT!

Sadly Overrated.

@CopaExMachina

2 ай бұрын

100% agreed

Under rated

@CopaExMachina

2 ай бұрын

UNDER? How so?

Dune 1 = Boring but good looking. Dune 2 = good but overrated. PS these people in the comments mad about you making fun of the actors names are stiff. Florence Pugh-pew is cracking me up as I type this.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

Why do you think people are overrating Dune Part 2? Is it too much poison in the cinematic well or is something different going on?

@PriyanBaskaran

3 ай бұрын

They can't accept it was bad they defend the movie so much ​@@CopaExMachina

So space jesus said he does not want to be jesus, but he never said to those people aboth how it was all a plan for making them belive he is jesus, and he just accepts it, then everyone follows him with no issues or infight over their religion been lead by a foreing, then only He and His Mother that have "Royal Blood" can see the future if they drink the worm juice, now both of them hold the 2 most powerful positions in freeman society and they accept to leave their home and planet to ride in ships to attack some randoms they dont know/care.

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

Well, when you put it that way...yes. LOL

Ummmmmmm, you're hillarious

@Seabrook1982

4 ай бұрын

especially @ 9:37.

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

@@Seabrook1982 LOL thank you for the kind words. looking back it might be a disservice to C3PO though, he had some cake to him.

balls

@CopaExMachina

3 ай бұрын

Be more specific

Why isn't this review 3 days long?!

@CopaExMachina

4 ай бұрын

LOL Thank you. I don't have Platoon's stamina nor the voice of Basil Exposition.