got crosseyed watching this, thanks!

@kylek2623

3 жыл бұрын

🥴🤣😂

@rugr82day

3 жыл бұрын

I had to keep rewinding to compare the 3.

@m9rco0

3 жыл бұрын

lmfaoo

@neisya5809

3 жыл бұрын

lmaoooo

I'll admit that I didn't even know "Dune 2000" was a thing until just now.

@karlstone297

3 жыл бұрын

It's genuinely great if you can tolerate the turn of the century special effects.

@El-Duderino-His-Dudeness

3 жыл бұрын

@@karlstone297 Or the fact that all the "desert" scenes are like big canvas backgrounds and it's super obvious and it's a tad bit boring. Other that, glad to see someone acknowledging it with one of these comparison videos.

@jonpirovsky

3 жыл бұрын

It was a TV miniseries before TV series became visually decent (for me, that happened in 2006, with HBO's Rome). So it looks... cheap. Especially for modern standards. The 1984 film looks much better than it, but it tells a much better story...

@kennethfharkin

3 жыл бұрын

Jon Pirovsky be fair, it was a SyFi network series which meant minimal budget. People forget the stunning miniseries which were produced before 2000 by networks with the money to spend. Shogun and Lonesome Dove were phenomenal with exacting standards.

@InstagramAWrestlingHistorian

3 жыл бұрын

It was more accurate to the book.

The 1984 film looked great, but was not faithful to the books. The 2000 tv series was faithful to the books, but looked terrible. Let's hope the 2020 version joins the dots.

@reactions5783

3 жыл бұрын

2020 version looks like Maze Runner compared to the David Lynch classic.

@dresdenwarlock7978

3 жыл бұрын

@@reactions5783 David Lynch is amazing but he made it more about himself and his style than the story.

@Droogie128

3 жыл бұрын

@@dresdenwarlock7978 agree. It was a David Lynch movie sprinkled with Dune. I'm a big fan of David Lynch, but I want a Dune movie.

@michaelnorfolk8825

3 жыл бұрын

Lynch never read the book! As much as I like his movie and the TV series everything I’m reading and seeing is telling me we are going to be blown away by Denis Villeneuve!

@Hykje

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know why people say that Dune 2000 was faithful to the books -there was tons of badly written soap opera thrown into this hat and styrofoam party because they wanted to give Princess Irulan something to do.

Paul, in Dune the book, is 15 years old. Kyle was 25 in 1984, but looks youngish (young man, but not a boy.). Alec was 26 is 2000, but looks at least that old or older. Timothee is also 25, but with his facial proportions, I expected him to actually be much younger. I wonder how much effect hair and makeup has on this, as well. I hope the acting and script are good, because the cinematography is epic.

@Sharpe1502

3 жыл бұрын

Timothee is 25?! I thought that kid was like 19 or 20. I say kid, dude’s a year younger than me. 😂

@krashd

3 жыл бұрын

You can't have a 15 year old have two love interests, that would be a bit much for American audiences.

@gerhardadler3418

3 жыл бұрын

I thought he must be in his mid twenties from his looks. Therefore i was right and in my eyes he does neither look younger nor older. But to hire an actor that young would be a risk, a risk hollywoods moneymachinery does not like very much. In the books he is not only 15, but also is small and looks younger for his age. Therefore waht we really would need is someone about 13 years old ^^

@marlasingerr1996

3 жыл бұрын

@@krashd ?? Dune is an american novel?

@krashd

3 жыл бұрын

@@marlasingerr1996 It was also an American novel and it has a 12 year old girl sleep with all of her male friends. What does either book have to do with movie theatres?

He who controls the hype, controls the universe!

@SirContent

3 жыл бұрын

wat if l control ur Mama

@karlhans6678

3 жыл бұрын

so true

@kxkxkxkx

Жыл бұрын

Oil ☝️

Dune 1984: age 14 Dune 2000: age 30 Dune 2020: age 51 *STILL WAITING FOR THE 'SLEEPER TO AWAKEN'*

@kennethfharkin

3 жыл бұрын

Same as me, but just turned 50 not 51.

@Hogtown1986

3 жыл бұрын

Dune 1965: age 1 Dune 1984: age 20 Dune 2000: age 36 Dune 2020: age 56 You might say I’ve grown up with Dune. With this pattern we’ll see a remake circa 2040, though I’m hoping this movie is successful enough to start a franchise. Plenty of source material to work with.

@alisterfolson

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hogtown1986 This is true. And I never knew they purposely synced the trailers in real life

@akterminded

3 жыл бұрын

FATHERRRR

@akterminded

3 жыл бұрын

THE SLEEPER, HAS AWAKENED

2:17 Paul after drinking The Water Of Life 2020: 😩 1984: 😫 2000: 🤡

@arcadealchemist

3 жыл бұрын

2000 mini series was closer to the book.

@StrollingWolf

3 жыл бұрын

@@arcadealchemist You are absolutely right. But the hats! The hats!

@arcadealchemist

3 жыл бұрын

@@StrollingWolf are accurate to the 80s novel cover :3

@gerhardadler3418

3 жыл бұрын

@@StrollingWolf Lots of things were made cheaply, because not much money. But they had some nice ideas, like for example the samurai like soldiers. And for the hats. Just look at the hats woman (and man) having over the the centuries in different cultures. There are many even more rdicolous than thsoe in the series.The richer and more powerful an empire was, the stranger the hats ^^

@ghassanalmaktari7968

2 жыл бұрын

best observation ever lol

The 2000 version was low budget, but I always loved the way they did the Fremen's eyes.

I love the bold, expressionistic colors of 2000

@swordmonkey6635

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. The commentary says it was made more as a stage play with the illuminated backdrops (instead of green screen) and vibrant colors.

@sarahprice659

3 жыл бұрын

Totally... read an article that broke the color themes down, they are worked into every facet. Really remarkable.

@kingofmonsters14

3 жыл бұрын

the Sandworm looks terrifying in that one.

@triggrhaapi

3 жыл бұрын

@@swordmonkey6635 It worked well done that way, and because it's a miniseries they really got a chance to explore the depth of the story.

@Dularr

3 жыл бұрын

You should look at the concept art for jodorowsky's dune. kzread.info/dash/bejne/n2SXrLCLaKurp5M.html

All I can hear is Patrick Stewart yelling, "Atomics!"

@azmodanpc

3 жыл бұрын

And Sting glaring and looking nuts in metal speedos.

@KRAFTWERK2K6

3 жыл бұрын

"Mood? Mood's a thing for cattle & loveplay."

@TitoTimTravels

3 жыл бұрын

I forgot Stewart was in it. The Sting version was a totally forgettable thing.

@doom7ish

3 жыл бұрын

ATOMICS!!

@Jim-Mc

3 жыл бұрын

and running into battle with a pug

The only good thing about the 2000 miniseries was that it had the time to be a mostly-faithful adaptation of the book. But they didn’t have the budget for decent specials effects, or location shoots in the desert, or top-notch actors. William Hurt was the big name and he did well as Duke Leto. The sequel Children of Dune was superior. It combined the Messiah and Children books, and introduced James McAvoy to the world. And it had an awesome original score by Brian Tyler that punched well above its SciFi Channel weight.

@kennethfharkin

3 жыл бұрын

I really liked the actress’s portrayal of Alia in the second series and Alec Newman was much better as an older Paul and as the Preacher in the sequel. Chani worked for me and I did like the non-oozing sores version of the Baron. That actor is well known to BBC series fans and is very good.

@DagobertX2

3 жыл бұрын

Some settings and costumes were nice. But that "stillsuit", ugh. One of the iconic things of that world, basically was just an overall because the limited budget.

@derworfnet

3 жыл бұрын

In hindsight, I was probably a bit too hard on the Miniseries. I judged it unfairly against the 1984-Movie (which was my only prior exposure to the story in 2000) a battle the Miniseries could only lose because it lacked the large budget to compete in terms of sets, scale and cast. Without having read the novel, I couldn't appreciate the one thing it did right: Being a faithful adaptation. Going into the new movie, I will only judge it against the source material, not against the previous adaptations.

@Hogtown1986

3 жыл бұрын

Kenneth Harkin I also liked the actress who played the adult Alia. I never saw her in anything else. TV Chani was so beautiful and an upgrade over Sean Young.

@Hogtown1986

3 жыл бұрын

DagobertX2 I thought the stillsuit in the series was far better than the movie. They were sand-colored to blend in and had face masks. Why would a desert stillsuit be black? It made no sense. And with most moisture being lost through the nose and mouth, a stillsuit lacking a face mask would be futile.

The mini-series will always have a special place in my heart.

2:06 the shot in 1984 looks really good!

One thing I like about the 2000 adaptation--despite how it's (somewhat rightfully) mocked for looking tacky and cheap due to budgetary limits--is that the "space medieval nobility" wasn't shy about putting on wild and colorful outfits like a lot of real actual historical nobility. If only movies like that could find visual direction that manages to strike a balance in using that colorfulness without looking too off to the extent that audiences can't take it seriously anymore, that would be soooo welcome compared to the tendency of a lot of recent films to go "gritty and serious means we dull everything down because people are morons."

That was beautiful. Thank you for putting this together

The good old days syndrome.. old songs are the best, old movies are the best, old gadgets are the best.. I watched the first DUNE(84) when I was 22 but I love the trailer of the new DUNE.

In ways the Dune mini-series is closer to what I imagined when reading the books.

@immortaljanus

3 жыл бұрын

The 2000s mini-series simplified the plot, this is what made if watchable.

@r-saint

3 жыл бұрын

It wasn't so restricted regarding run time. DVD release.

@hammerstein199

3 жыл бұрын

It would have lost out on actors if they made it any later, but I look at Battlestar Galactica and think "if CGI was only a little further ahead for Dune 2000, it would have looked better by miles" I mean, look at Children of Dune! It's a shame since the plot is that much closer to the books - especially when you get the Director's Cut.

@omisan771

3 жыл бұрын

I never imagined such silly costumes and boring actors. William Hurt as Duke Leto...ZZZzzz

@dirtyhank7214

3 жыл бұрын

Depends maby in your imagination and zeitgeist

The cinematography is so much more advanced in the new movies.

Thank you so much for this! It is simply amazing to have all 3 here!

Wow, I didn't expect... thank you. Awesome work. I really hope we get a date soon, I'm actually starting to finally get a bit hyped for this.

I like something about each version to be honest.

OMG incredible job man!

Bravo!! Dude, Thanks! Seriously, what a great fan service!

This was cool 😮 thanks for putting this together!

I don't care what anyone says, Dune 2000 was a solid miniseries and the best on screen version of Dune to date. I still re-watch it and still enjoy it. Also, this was a very well done video, really interesting to see the side by side.

@AmedeeBoulette

3 жыл бұрын

Sovereign agreed! 4 parts if I remember?

@surge21xx

3 жыл бұрын

@@AmedeeBoulette 3 Parts. Children of Dune was also 3 parts.

@surge21xx

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with this. Everyone keeps comparing this new film with the David Lynch Film, but the scenes I see in this trailer mirror the Miniseries for me. Which tells me they're doing a much more faithful adaptation and it makes me more excited.

@TitoTimTravels

3 жыл бұрын

I love the Sci-Fi version. That was back when they knew how to spell sci-fi BTW... The Sting version was horrid. Big budget, better effects, horrible movie.

@LevCallahan

Ай бұрын

Honestly I loved both. The miniseries holds truly deeply in my heart despite the dated effects and limited budget, and the 2021 version is a fantastic visual update that follows the spirit of the novel. Dune part 2 on the other hand...

the 1984 movie looks awesome, I wish it was a 6 hours movie, it had potential, it could have been epic.

Great work with the editing

That was really great to see! Its funny, I think all three have parts that work better than the other two. Its cool to see them all together like this.

Absolutely stunning! I love it Dune 2000 was one of the highest rated shows on Sci-Fi channel up till that time. I had a watch party for every night of the mini-series and the sequel Children of Dune.

Thanks for including the sci fi version! My favorite.

That was great Matt, thanks for that

Bloody top notch video sir, well done 👏

I love the font for the 2000's dune logo.

@NineInchNailer

3 жыл бұрын

Yuck

@lettuceprime4922

3 жыл бұрын

Very 90's. Not necessarily a bad thing. I kinda wish that graphic design sensibility would come back. Flat design is sorta boring sometimes.

@aleksanderolbrych9157

3 жыл бұрын

@@lettuceprime4922 h e l l n o

@DG-gx4sg

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like it's from an early 2000s kids cartoon, no thanks

@Riddlewire

3 жыл бұрын

It's actually animated, with a shadow moving across it. But, unfortunately, the credits are also rolling in front of it. I imagine that's why he used a freeze-frame. To keep it looking closer to the other two.

Dune 2020 to other ones : "Something our ancestors never learned"

What a fantastic edit!

Magnificent! Thank you for making this video. I did not know of the TV series. I must find it to watch.

@mebeachgirl1

3 жыл бұрын

Alex Watson I just finished all of the 2000TV miniseries and loved it. I read a comment somewhere that the costumes were rather crazy abpnd the the actor playing Paul was a little on the older looking side but I still loved it. I am now trying to find the 2003 Children of Dune TV miniseries to watch. James McAvoy is playing Letto2 and he is a great actor. Thanks for your thoughts

Great job. It’s really cool to see 2000 version of Dune is included in this comparison video. I 1st watched that version of Dune before seeing the sequel, Children of Dune when it premiered. It was really the best when it comes to the faithfulness of the book. 1984 Dune felt just rushed & changed the ending, which I hated. I’m looking forward to the 2020 version. Great job. 😁

@karlhans6678

3 жыл бұрын

2020 looks like its gonna be bad or not better than the 1984.

For all its problems, the miniseries accomplished what nobody else could and actually introduced the twins. Not to mention, they even had James as Leto II. I only hope I live long enough to watch a decent adaptation of the God Emperor of Dune 🙏

@legionaireb

3 жыл бұрын

Let's be realistic: nobody who isn't a fan specifically of the books cares about any beyond the original trilogy.

@robgronotte1

3 жыл бұрын

I read all the books and have never heard of any referred to as a 'trilogy'. There was more time between books 2 and 3 than books 3 and 4. And book 2 is so short that it is more of a PS to book 1. God Emperor is truly the one that could be "unfilmable" though, with the unconventional narrative, the long expanses of time and the human who becomes a sandworm hybrid.

@SgtZaqq

3 жыл бұрын

Who's James?

@Rosula_D

3 жыл бұрын

@@SgtZaqq James Mcavoy, the actor.

@-.-.11

2 жыл бұрын

@@robgronotte1 Heard them referred to as 2 trilogies plenty of times.

This edit is amazing

This is top notch work

Walk without rhythm and you won't attract the worm

@cirian75

3 жыл бұрын

if you walk without rhythm, huh, you'll never learn

@ThreadBomb

3 жыл бұрын

Walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm - in song form! kzread.info/dash/bejne/qXd4q7uvdtDNh5s.html

@jumhed994

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn't attack white people?

@MrDarrylR

3 жыл бұрын

@@jumhed994 Shai-hulud doesn't get syncopation. So the only white people that live are from the ministry of silly walks.

Daaaaaaaaamn! 😲 .... Is it just me, or is Dune 1984 *way* better looking than Dune 2000? ... Dune 1984's production values look like they would still hold their own next to the new one if some of the effects were polished up a bit. I also noticed that the new version shares a lot of production *design* with the 1984 version.

@JAYBARTON1981

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I thought.

@chriskelly3481

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. I am one of the very few people (it seems) who AB-SO-LUTELY loves Lynches Dune. Saw it as a little kid nearly 35 years ago. Blew me away. Shaped my life, set my love of film and ignited my addiction to science fiction.

@JAYBARTON1981

3 жыл бұрын

@@chriskelly3481 sam here.

@klyanadkmorr

3 жыл бұрын

Most production desgns come from art requested or approved by Frank Herbert for his books or documentaries.

@TitoTimTravels

3 жыл бұрын

The 2000 version was a tv mini series, so did not have budget of the Sting version - but it was a far superior adaptation. Particularly the follow up, Children of Dune.

Perfect. Actually all versions look good in this compilation.

Thank you for this. REALLY scratched an itch.

Even though the newest *_DUNE_* is my favorite, I LOVED Sci-fi Channel's *_DUNE 2000_* so much more so than the original movie. I actually hated the original movie. But the D2k mini-series and later the *_Children of DUNE_* mini-series got the story right. The special effects and VFX didn't leave much to be desired but they were still solid productions.

The sandworm from 1984 still holds up well in SFX against the 2020 version. Gotta love practical effects. Why the T-Rex 8n Jurassic Park will forever look hyper real, why the Thing from John Carpenter's film still sends chills down my spine and looks WAY more horrific back then, then any modern day CGI monster.

All of these almost 20 years apart. Amazing

Thank you, this was awesome!

Makes me happy this has some of the visual genes from Lynch's Dune. The design and world building was off the hook in that film.

Oh man! :') the TV version was the first time I ever knew Dune existed :')

@voodoochild1975az

3 жыл бұрын

I am sooooo sorry that was your introduction to this amazing sci fi universe

@priyac7054

3 жыл бұрын

@@voodoochild1975az yea it was 18 years ago.. But then I read the book when I was 19 😌💙

@skadi6750

3 жыл бұрын

@@voodoochild1975az Why? I mean I was introduced by Children of Dune TV miniseries, AKA second half of thiis miniseies...and as much as it was not a perfect adaptation, it was good enough to inspire us to read the books, so...why being sorry?:-D Keep your sorry for people who actually need it:-D

@priyac7054

3 жыл бұрын

@@skadi6750 this person prolly a gen x lmao

This was a very interesting video idea that I'm surprised I haven't seen other people do with other things in the past. I hope I get to see more videos like it based on other properties.

Beautiful edit.

I really enjoyed the 2021 version a lot, but growing up with the 1984 one, I still love Kyle McLachlan as Paul Atriedes despite not being faithful to the book. I wish McLachlan could've had a small cameo in the new one.

@doobadood

2 жыл бұрын

Kyle as the Padishah Emperor! I mean he's old enough so he'd fit the role

@rufousthefox9766

Жыл бұрын

He's going to be cast in part 2.

"The slow blade penetrates the shield"

very good work, thank you!

Amagazing job

I don't know why I find those three moms incredibly hot. Francesca Annis, Saskia Reeves and Rebecca Ferguson are stunning.

I think all were great.. 👌🏻

Thank you for this

Gracias. La mejor comparación de Dune.

Stilgar, do we have wormsign? Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even God has never seen.

84 looks the best

@kylek2623

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@wilsonruleman

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm

Wild. Thanks alot Matt Skuta. 2000.

Definitely worth a paused rewatch! Nice edit!

We'll remake Dune just about every 20 years.... until we get it right

@marcosalmendras4998

3 жыл бұрын

i'm surprising OK with this. up until I feel the Pre-spice mass engulf me into a cool, silent death.

@gerhardadler3418

3 жыл бұрын

Since we have about 25,000 years, that will be a lot of adaptions ^^

@Shireke01

3 жыл бұрын

Until we can faithfully replicate it on space

You're quick.

Definitely need to rewatch all these now

Well done, despite not having any footage of Liet-Kynes in the 2021 trailer. I've grown to enjoy all three adaptations. A fantastic book that's obviously difficult to adapt entirely faithfully, but each time with interesting interpretations.

Still love the David Lynch vision. To me it looks the best, most interesting / artistic interpretation and happy to watch until my eyes bleed. Obviously the latest hasn’t been released yet, but would need to bring something very special to the table just looks like a hyped Lynch update/reload.

The 1984 version from David Lynch was the best. It was not faithful to the books, but that does not matter. I see the movie as a total different media of its own and it is not always helpful to keep too close to the books as long as the atmosphere/mood is kept. Unfortunately Alejandro Jodorowsky never finished his version.

so many ppl don't even know about the mini series. up until now its been the best adaptation given their budget they had its pretty good. I would love to see more ppl react to the mini series.

Great work

Dune 2000 is seriously under appreciated.

@michaelcarnevale5620

3 жыл бұрын

ya i agree.. the story actually made sense.. and i felt that it portrayed Paul's abilities of premonition in a way that was believable and compelling.. haven't seen it in years tho

@Atlas-85

3 жыл бұрын

Despite its obviously cheap budget, I LOVED the Dune miniseries and its followup Children of Dune. If one can get past the visuals and give it a chance, its such a good slow burn when viewed consecutively with Children of Dune.

@EternalRoman

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelcarnevale5620 Well it is not Premonition, it is Prescience. The difference is that Prescience is his vision sees all Past, Present and endless Futures at the same time. He sees all the little details that might derail the future but also The past events that lead them there and now and will possibly lead them to said futures. He also sees all the different things in the past that lined up to the present events and how they diverge if they were in other ways. Premonition is only seeing the future. With Prescience those that are not Kwizzats Haderaks would go insane, and that is a key element on Paul that the thing that made him the Kwizzats Haderak is that 1. He was trained as a Male Bene Gesserit by Lady Jessica 2. Thuffir Howatt trained him as a Mentat and Paul is in the threshold of selecting to enter the phase of becoming a Mentat himself, so this combination aside his selective breeding origin made him the Kwizzats Haderak for the Bene Gesserits and the Makdi for the Fremen.

@michaelcarnevale5620

3 жыл бұрын

@@EternalRoman okay interesting. so how does he see all past? is it a mystical thing or does herbert try to justify it? like he can read his genetic memory or something?

@EternalRoman

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelcarnevale5620 Genetic Memory, and in fact in the God Emperor of Dune novel Leto II (III) in fact uses the actual term itself as well as referring to the limited vision of the Bene Geserrits because they only posses the Female Genetic memory, while Kwizzats Hederaks have both Male and Female genetic memory which allows them to have perfect prescience of both sides. Leto II is even able to summon his past ancestors and speak with their voices extending to Egyptian times. I remind you that Earth is no longer inhabited nor present withing the Emperium but he relates these lives to Duncan Idaho's Ghola and also his servant Moneo. Leto II explains that he is NOT impersonating these people, that he in fact IS these people due to the genetic memory. He brings out the original Duke Leto, Lady Jessica, his mother Chani and even his dad Paul Muad'Dib and to solidify the believe on the doubting Ghola, he as Muad'Dib tells him his own personal stuff, which makes Duncan emotional. Frank Herbert was so revolutionary in his tale that it may appear that HE himself could have had prescience because many things he exposed on his DUNE novels on OUR time are in fact taking effect as we speak. He had done vast research on world cultures, political and religion, anthropological and Palenthological studies. Mind you the novels starter in 1965 and he already exposed A.I. and Genetic Memory, and the out come of society. Where people revered James Cameron on his Terminator franchise about A.I. attacking and bringing humans down, Herbert did it first. And Star Wars would had been never conceived if not for DUNE...sorry for the over expositional Ranting LOL

going with the usual color palette of today's movies: Black and Gray

@lemur866

3 жыл бұрын

But they went with a bold choice and added plenty of beige too.

@gerhardadler3418

3 жыл бұрын

Especially in historical movies this is a very unhistorical and common sight.

@Dynoids

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair arakis is a very bland dry planet. But I have faith in the directors capabilities of making stunning visuals. What I mean is if anyone can make a dry planet that makes you want ice water stunning in screen, denise villanueva is that person.

@cairoanderson7944

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dynoids Are deserts usually dark tinged though? This comes across as cold and I feel no connection with the books whatsoever.

@Dynoids

2 жыл бұрын

@@cairoanderson7944 I mean I can agree, but I would like to point out the scenes in the trailers where they show the sand close up and it shimmers with spice. All we can do is wait and see. Never thought any movie would be able to capture what our brains imagine when reading the books.

Im so excited for this film. I heard about Dune but never watched any of the movies or even knew it was based on a book. Hell, I didn't know there was 2000s remake. I watched the new trailer so many times already and I'm fascinated. I've been watching KZread videos on it and I desperately want to read the book(s) now.

I just watched Dune 2021 in the cinema 3D. I never watched the other film or the series. The Villanueva Movie its just great. I was 2,5 hours in another world. Great sound great pictures just a fantastic movie!

The gom jabbar scene in the sci fi series is feckin atrocious. You couldn’t drain such an awesome and terrifying moment from the book, of any atmosphere and dread if you purposefully tried to.

Dune is coming up on spider man numbers for remakes

That was amazing.

Just finished it, loved it

So that’s what happened to Francis from “Malcolm in the Middle”

Dune 1984 has a more cinematic feel than the other two.

@fahad.2924

Жыл бұрын

That doesn’t make sense

My friends don't seem to remember the scifi version 2000 but that one is my favorite thanks for the edit

Very cool edit

I love Dune of David Lynch

@voodoochild1975az

3 жыл бұрын

I loved that beautiful mess too... but don't call it Lynch's Dune. David Lynch is still pissed at how the studio screwed him on that film. he never got to finish it. they yanked the un finished footage from him since it was over schedule and over budget and edited it down into a barely comprehensible mess. From Lynch's perspective, that is NOT his movie. He never finished his movie. Dune '84 is some fucked up mess he refuses to acknowledge. I think current versions won't even list him as director, he asked to removed from credits. He basically disowned this film not for what you saw, but for that the studio prevented you from seeing. In his mind, it simply is not his movie. Just some bullshit hacked together with some footage he shot.

@tbirdparis

3 жыл бұрын

​@@voodoochild1975az agreed that it's a (significantly) flawed masterpiece. But wasn't David Lynch's anger more directed at the recut extended version the studio made without his involvement at all? He was certainly not pleased with the lack of final cut he had on the original cinematic release version, but he still put his name on the credits. For the TV extended version, he made them use the pseudonym "Alan Smithee" as the name of the director, which is conventional in film when someone wants to wash their hands of a project and make it clear that they do not endorse the final result. The extended version is truly awful, if you've seen it. Even the score editing alone is atrocious, the music is hacked to pieces and overlaid on top of itself in a very misguided attempt to create more action and drama. At the very least, even though the story and pacing of the cinematic release version starts falling apart towards the end of the film, you still feel some pretty confident and assured film making in the first half. In any case, I also don't refer to it as Lynch's Dune either, because it's true that it's not the film he intended to make overall. I much prefer to just call it the 1984 version, which in a way is a compliment too. Aside from some very obviously dated special effects techniques and some unfortunately poor green screen matting work (which could have been far better even in that era, the Star Wars films being a clear example), the film refuses to date as an identifiably 1984-looking production. This is because in creating the (stunning) design and world building of the film, it referred back to classic epic historical cinema which has the effect of grounding it in something more timeless. This also includes the casting - using actors from all over the world with varied accents, bringing with them a combined legacy of iconic cinema from different eras - it all comes together to make the scope of the film feel like a far more realistic depiction of vastly different cultures. Current Hollywood sci-fi would do well to take a page out of this book, instead of making all futuristic depictions seem like contemporary Americans talking like they do today, yet pretending to be in a far distant culturally removed future. I'm looking at you, JJ Abrams Star Trek/Star Wars and Star Trek Picard/Discovery....

@voodoochild1975az

3 жыл бұрын

@@tbirdparis The longer version is of mixed value. The extra scenes help the story, but are jarringly out of place. A lot of post effects not even added. In the extra scenes the Fremen lose their blue eyes. The score doesn't fit because they didn't re-score it, just try to edit shit. Basically it comes off like a high school AV club project. But that version's story is easier to follow with the extra scenes. As for the score, it was done by Toto. Steve Lukather is well known for session work. I really don't think it would have taken much to get him in to add to the score for those scenes. But instead, they went cheap, cheap, cheap. Likewise, how lazy to not add effects to those scenes. To create a true Lynch version, those scenes would have to be cleaned up, effects added, the whole thing edited better, rescored... and the impossible part... Lynch would have to shoot the last 20% of the movie he never got to shoot. As for the cultures in the work... I give that credit to Herbert. He brought a lot of legit anthropology to bear in creating the cultures for his world. If those cultures feel 'real' and kind of alien, so far removed from us in time, it's because actual science studying human culture was applied. Frankly (pun accidental) I think Herbert was a bit of a nerd. He geeked out on research in anthropology, ecology, even the specifics of sand dunes, how they form, how they move. I think that the solid science he applied is what makes his world seem so concrete and believable. But visually, yes, Lynch created such a distinct look in this film that it refuses to age or tie to a specific era. My views on that film are complex because I'm in a weird vin diagram overlap point. I'm a huge fan of the book. But I'm also a huge fan of Lynch. So the book fan in me is disappointed in that film and sees it's many flaws. But the Lynch fan in me loves it anyway. So I enjoy that film as a Lynch fan, not a Dune fan. So far, it looks like the book fan in me will get what he wants from Villeneuve.

@tbirdparis

3 жыл бұрын

@@voodoochild1975az I agree that the extended version at least brought some extra unused scenes to the cut which helped fill certain story gaps, even if they didn't do justice to it with including consistent use of visual effects and grading. But on the other side, you can also tell that the equilibrium of the film is thrown off because the people who did it were not anywhere near as committed as the director himself would have been, if the production hadn't turned so very sour towards him of course. Re the score editing, yes I know and that's exactly what I meant. As a film composer myself, I can tell you there's about zero percent chance the production would pay to rehire a composer and spend the (not insignificant amount of money) for orchestral recording and mixing sessions again - especially not just for a special TV release. Also, there's about as much chance (0%) that the composer would come back on board to do that, especially when the director has refused. And in this particular case, given the savage reception the film had when it came out, I imagine most people involved just wanted to move on and not be drawn back into it, even if some money was waved at them. Of course you're right that huge credit goes to Herbert for grounding his different factions and cultures in his fiction based on cues from real cultures in our own world. This is one key technique that makes a lot of the greatest fiction really work -Tolkien and George RR Martin are other good examples of this. Also it goes without saying that his backstory development on technology, ecology and spheres of human culture and society were far far more considered and fleshed out than most sci-fi ever is. Indeed that's one of the very things that distinguished him in literature in the first place. But what I meant was more about how this is translated to the screen. For example, I remember a scene from one of the Abrams Star Trek films with a bunch of Vulcan children all sounding and acting exactly like contemporary American children. Or any of the recent Star Trek TV series, in which the style of speech and slang of the characters sounds like it could be set in any kind of series literally today. What I liked about the 1984 film is that people do speak a little strangely, their dialogue doesn't sound like it would also fit in a contemporary character drama. These people do feel out of time, and somehow unrelated to us. The 1984 film doesn't do this by just making up pretend futurisms or trying to be other-worldly in a forced, gratuitous way. Instead, it uses the same technique as Herbert himself in the books, drawing on cultural references we can latch onto. The noble characters use haughty regal language (sometimes with accents), the Guild speak through translating machines, the Harkonnens have a more barbaric language style, the Fremen (in particular, Stilgar) have a stilted but also carefully elegant style of speech which sounds like they are always weighing their words. Some of this came naturally simply by casting actors who clearly do not speak English as their first language. But in general, it's this level of language diversity and the deeper sense of a broad backstory which I feel is lost in Hollywood sci-fi these days where everyone just sounds and speaks the same. Anyway it looks like we very much agree on most of this. It's good to see another fan of the books who has measured and considered opinions and analysis on the films and series made to date, as opposed to most people just liking whatever they saw first for no good reason.

@voodoochild1975az

3 жыл бұрын

@@tbirdparis I think I was trying to say the same thing. Lynch created cultures visually as well as Herbert created them descriptively. It was a feat, and yes, the Jar Jar Abrams Star Trek feels like people from our time pretending to be in the future. I'm really not a fan of that guy. Imo, he's not qualified to be a production assistant on a Lynch film. As for the score, a lot of it was just Steve Lukather laying down guitar tracks. I think he'd be relatively easy to get to revisit the score. But it's all pointless speculation, it will never happen. The people that own that footage don't care as much about the film as we do. I feel ownership of that film needs to move to someone that actually appreciates it. Funny. I'm a musician and you score films. Both of us react to the extended version score like nails on chalkboard lol I actually think either of us could have done a better job than was done.

Next up: comparing it to Dune II, the RTS

You can totally see what parts of the trailer seems to pay tribute to either the 1984 movie or the 2000 miniseries! Like how the reverend mother is more like the 84 version, but you can totally see the setting aesthetics from the 2000 series in play! Just means that hopefully it can be the best of both worlds!!

Nicely done

Nice reference to Jodorowsky's never completed Dune film. Pink Floyd was originally supposed to compose the soundtrack to a film that was never made. Sad! 😫

@missdarkfaerie1377

3 жыл бұрын

I love Pink Floyd & I never knew this. Would’ve love to hear the soundtrack of it if it existed.

@Hhhhhh-sz9ud

3 жыл бұрын

I believe they were going to write the theme for House Atreites, not the full soundtrack.

@lucasng9617

3 жыл бұрын

I wish they had used more of Jodorowsky's ideas

@medievaldad9537

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasng9617 exactly on every Dune forum I keep seeing this comment "nice nod to Jodorowsky!" and it pains me because I can't for the life of me understand why they didn't take more inspiration from Jodo while making this film

Dune 2000-The High School Production

@sety5591

3 жыл бұрын

it was professionally made movie, it didn't look cheap.

@lavrenzo84

3 жыл бұрын

@@sety5591 It actually look cheap, with realy bad casting, and really really bad CGI !.

@voodoochild1975az

3 жыл бұрын

@@sety5591 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Are you fucking kidding?!?!?!!? That was some of the cheapest sci fi I've seen on any screen outside of Turkey in the 70s. The acting sucked. The costumes were cheap. the sets were cheap (and small), the cgi sucked. The pacing awful. That was one of the LEAST professional looking productions I've ever seen. I am CONFIDENT I knew better highschool drama clubs than the amateurs that made that 2000 miniseries. I'm stunned you say 'it didn't look cheap' when i honestly consider it one the most comically cheap looking sci fi projects I can name since the dark days of 70's and 80s. If I worked on that show? I'd be embarrassed to admit it.

@eds1942

3 жыл бұрын

It looked cheap because of the budget, at about a quarter of what the movie got, when adjusted. We are talking about a SciFi channel (SyFy) production at the tail end of the 90’s after all. What we got was a good stage show with bad CGI and wardrobe (those hats). But, CGI in general sucked back then too.

Nice work

The Mini series is amazing, because it takes the time needed to invest you in the people that are important to the story. It even hurts to watch good guys become bad guys and how not to have blind faith.

Can't wait for the next remake in 2040!

@reneelopes3126

3 жыл бұрын

Mathematically : 2044/2045

0:37 Woah, is that Shelley Duvall in the TV version? Neat.

@FriggSaga

3 жыл бұрын

No that's not her

@jeandurtal8404

3 жыл бұрын

No, that's some rando Czech actress.

@voodoochild1975az

3 жыл бұрын

Nope. Just a shitty no name actress who's career went no where after that low budget Dune garbage Syfy puked out. I thought she sucked as an actress in the show, hopefully she is good elsewhere. Don't know her name, don't want to. Sorry to be harsh, I kinda hated the acting in that miniseries. I've seen better high school drama clubs than the cast for that shite.

I love all of the in it's time, I saw them all. As a fan you can't disregard or judge, you can just take everything and ejoy it... I've read the books, seen the movies, documentaries and played the games.... Love it all.. Feel like a true fan!

@voodoochild1975az

3 жыл бұрын

Can't love it all. I loved the books. I loved the beautiful mess Lynch made... but the miniseries was comically bad to me. I laughed at it the parts I saw, and not in a good way. Cheap, Cheap, Cheap and cheap. Showed in every frame. Kinda pissed at SciFi for even bothering with such a shitty effort. I'd honestly rather that series never happend, and the Sci Fi saved their money. I can't enjoy the miniseries. The bad acting, shitty sets, and horrible CGI ruin it for me. I'd rather delete the memory of what I saw. I'm a true fan of Dune. I jsut think the miniseries was embarrassingly badly made.

@voodoochild1975az

3 жыл бұрын

​@Alex Watson LOL... wow, you get that butt hurt that someone doesn't like something you like. If you like the miniseries, cool, enjoy it. I thought it was shit. I watched the first series, Dune, and based on that, skipped the sequels of what I thought was garbage. You know what, I'll even admit there is a slim chance that I might have loved the sequel, but based on the first series... not worth my time. I'd rather just read the book again. I will tip my hat to the writer's room on that show. They did well and told more of the story from the book. That was good. There was a good aspect to this. But basically it was ruined for me because SyFy are notoriously cheap bastards. One day, when you grow up, you will learn that people like and dislike things differently than yourself. You liked the miniseries. I didn't. I don't attack you for poor taste in enjoying cheap productions, I accept that you liked something I did not. Doesn't bother me at all. Good for you. Seriously watch it again and love it. If you enjoy it, knock yourself out, watch it as often as you like. But you need to grow up and accept that people have different opinions on things. In my opinion, ultimately the only one that matters to me, that series was hot garbage. Just my opinion. No one forces me to watch it, and I don't prevent you from watching it. Neither of us are 'wrong'. I bet I enjoy things you hate. That's just how the world works. You will learn that one day. The only joke here is your childish reaction. I mean, how DARE someone not like something you like lol Go in peace, I have no problem with you or your differing opinion. You are not wrong to like it, I am not wrong to not like it.

Good work

See you again in DUNE 2044..

Dune 2000 had its weaknesses but I really liked it, even the low budget effects. Though at times the wardrobe was laughably bad.

@marcosalmendras4998

3 жыл бұрын

made it easier to recognize sub-groups (Bene-Jesuit, Spacing Guild, Mentats)

outstanding!!!

Thank you. Very cool.