It’s a belt fed revolver, incredible

@szlatyka

Жыл бұрын

Weirldy enough I thinks it's perfectly logical.

@chatter2765

Жыл бұрын

I hate how this makes sense

@HellzBellz7

Жыл бұрын

or autoloading revolver

@lairdcummings9092

Жыл бұрын

You can see how this revolver feed is purely bolt-on to the base design; brilliant.

@Matt-xc6sp

Жыл бұрын

@@szlatyka MG34 pall based feed systems still kind of make me scratch my head, probably because I’ve never operated one. But this made perfect sense.

For a second I wondered if he was bringing this to a backup gun match.

@DevinMoorhead

Жыл бұрын

I mean Saturdays generally ARE range days

@krissteel4074

Жыл бұрын

Looks like its currently set up for the Lounge Room Continuation War match

@xpavpushka

Жыл бұрын

As a sidearm

@dosenkohl564

Жыл бұрын

When you have to backup into the shooters position, with your back-up-trailer-gun...

@silverjohn6037

Жыл бұрын

Technically it would be a back up gun for a tanks main gun.

12:42 That little detail where a spent Soviet 50 cal. cartridge doubles as a charging handle is just genius.

@a.k8185

Жыл бұрын

Also funny.

@rundewiese58

Жыл бұрын

in russia we call it smekalochka

@sheeplord4976

9 ай бұрын

@@rundewiese58 Pretty sure the western equivalents are jerry Rigging, hacking, and janking. Solving problems through unconventional means.

@SteamCrane

8 ай бұрын

As opposed to using a 5.56 bullet point as an AR tool.

@d.adrien7423

7 ай бұрын

Or the dust cover on a M16 as a bottle opener.@@SteamCrane

A side by side comparison between the M2 and the DShK-38 firing full auto would be amazing!

@Ukraineaissance2014

Жыл бұрын

M2 may as well be bolt action compared to the reliability of this thing

@Tunkkis

Жыл бұрын

​@@Ukraineaissance2014 May it?

@RP-ks6ly

Жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to see how Mr. Brownings design compares. Obviously, the M2 is ubiquitous in the US forces, the DShK was much less prevalent....

@ricardohumildebrabo

Жыл бұрын

@@Ukraineaissance2014 Both are incredibly realiable, there's no need to be petty. Also, the M2 still in use, that's a huge statement on it's favor.

@sinisatrlin840

Жыл бұрын

@@Ukraineaissance2014 How do you know? I had bouth in front of me and i can not say nothing bad for M2 or DSHK. We also had 14,5mm variation of Dshk, that is a beast on quite another level. 14.5mm has double energy of .50 cal. Noise and flame in front of barrel is something that is hard to describe.

Today on Forgotten Weapons we see Ian operate a very big revolver on its dedicated mount.

@lolgamer1073

Жыл бұрын

full auto revolver goes brrr

@kevinfitzpatrick5949

Жыл бұрын

Does this mean we have found a weapon to surpass big iron, or is it the biggest of irons?

@alankertz5951

Жыл бұрын

​@@kevinfitzpatrick5949 For the stranger there among them had a big iron on his Mi-8 Hip...

@johnwallace7694

Жыл бұрын

" Gun Jesus " With more vids we all love , Ive been watching this channel for years .

@firstconsul7286

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinfitzpatrick5949 It's the Novgorod Ranger's big iron

The difference in the belt box and gun's wear it's hard to not appreciate how well gun was preserved. It's amazingly clean.

@alankertz5951

Жыл бұрын

@Rug Muncher Are we sure Ukraine doesn't want it?

@Anvilshock

Жыл бұрын

Well, duh. The box is one of hundreds of thousands that was only meant to get emptied and to not hurt the war coffers too much if subsequently discarded, unlike the gun that was not. Big-brain moment, there, genius.

@wrakowic

Жыл бұрын

@@joe-the-op XDDDDDD Cope harder lol

I feel like everyone knows about Kalashnikov for obvious reasons, but I would enjoy a whole video talking about Detierev, Schpagin, and Sudayev (sp), their history, influence and interactions with each other during that whole era.

@joik2ww269

Жыл бұрын

Would like to see multiple 45min videos about those. Like docu series.

@jfcard0055

Жыл бұрын

​@@joik2ww269 It would be a fun project for C&Rsenal I think. Or maybe another collaboration between them & Ian.

@samuelberz1476

Жыл бұрын

If you're worried about the spelling, it's Degtyaryov and Shpagin. Ya got Sudayev right, though! 😀

@corvoattano4777

Жыл бұрын

Maybe because aks are something civilians own across the world

@RobinTheBot

9 ай бұрын

THIS THIS THIS THIS

Regarding the name, the letter K stands for Крупнокалиберный (krupnokalibernyy) which means large caliber. It can also be found in the name of the KPV 14.5mm machine gun and its variants.

@johnmcclain3887

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the translation, not that far along in my Russian

@MrKotBonifacy

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmcclain3887 Also, "M" at the end of a designator of "newer" version stands for "модернизированный" (modernizirovannyy) which means (drum roll, please!)... "modernized" : ) Or "upgraded". Who woule ever thought, eh? ;-)

@firstconsul7286

Жыл бұрын

@@MrKotBonifacy That one looks like the Russians saw the word "modernized", and said, "okay how can we make this complicated and definitely Russian sounding?" Thats not to say English is innocent of doing this either.

@MrKotBonifacy

Жыл бұрын

@@firstconsul7286 _"That one looks like the Russians saw the word "modernized", and said, "okay how can we make this complicated and definitely Russian sounding?" "_ - well, I'm afraid, NOT : ) "Modernised" is actually a Latin derived word - dictionary says: "modern, from late Latin modernus, from Latin modo ‘just now’". So now you know ;-) "Модернизированный" is an adjective in perfect/ object version - thus the suffix "-ванный" (meaning "one that underwent the process")added to "base" adjective "модерн" (modern), and the "й" character indicates "perfect aspect, masculine gender" ("-ванная" would be for "feminine" nouns). Well, I hope I make myself clear... Just kidding, I know I am not ;-) Slavic words in general (and Russian ones in particular) tend to "take some space" - look at, for instance, the adjective "самонастраивающийся" (samonastraivayushchiysya) - which basically means "self-tuning". Or "выигривающий" (vyigrivayushchiy, "winning" in the sense "winning lottery ticket"). Or Polish "Konstantynopolitańczykiewiczówna" (a family name of an unmarried daughter - i.e. "maiden name" - of a guy whose family name is "Konstantynopolitańczykiewicz", which is a variation of "Konstantynopolitańczyk", which basically means "one from/ born in Constantinople". OK, this one is tad on the "joke" side, although 100% correct as far as grammar and linguistics are concerned, and at any rate a rule of thumb is that any body of an English text translated into Slavic language becomes twice as large (= the characters count). Well, such is life. Cheers ;-)

@ZeroDi

Жыл бұрын

@@MrKotBonifacy Who are you explaining to? Americans, apart from the small ruling class and rich people, are mostly poorly educated.

I'd really like to see the prototype with the extra large pizza pan magazine. Edit: sadly, the prototype apparently doesn't use a XL pizza pan magazine.

@lairdcummings9092

Жыл бұрын

The magazine on the prototype design was more of a big drum atop the gun, not the pan magazine.

@boki3000

Жыл бұрын

​@@lairdcummings9092 anys links/pics or anything?

@roflchopter11

Жыл бұрын

​@@lairdcummings9092 big sad.

@inisipisTV

Жыл бұрын

Now I’m hungry for Pizza.

@lairdcummings9092

Жыл бұрын

@@boki3000 the Army Ordnance Museum had one; since 9/11 and the move out of Aberdeen, I haven't seen their current display.

My navy pilot grandad logged two years over Korea without a scratch, and always talked about being able to distinguish what was shooting at him during a sortie by the rough size of the glowing tracer rounds flying up at him. Streams of golf balls were 12.7mm fire, probably from a DShK (the North Koreans had forests of them dug into the hillsides), patterns of tennis balls were 37mm flak, and singular basketballs were 85mm shells. Often the communists would get real good at determining the regular patterns American pilots would fly when attacking a valuable target and put a line of DShKs all the way along the route where a US plane would probably come in to strafe and bomb, so that the aircraft would have to fly through one DShK’s fire after another head-on. He always said that the North Koreans today might look like buffoons with their leader worship and goose stepping, but back in the early Cold War they were every bit as tough and mean as a miniature WW2 axis power. As I understand it, these DShKs were also a huge pain in the bum for chopper pilots in Vietnam, 15 years later.

@BobSmith-dk8nw

Жыл бұрын

Yeah ... Same thing with the B-52's in '72. US was coming in from different directions but all leaving the same way. Our ECM had foxed their Radar but they could hear the bombers and just shot scads of SAM's into their flight paths. If it got close enough the missiles own radar would pick the bomber up and it would home. The US stopped doing that ... The North Vietnamese ran out of missiles and that was that. .

@zXPeterz14

Жыл бұрын

@@BobSmith-dk8nw similar thing happened with macv sog in vietnam. At the start there helicopters would extract them along a few designated routes so the vietcong would just wait along those routes ti get them on their way home

@scottmccrea1873

Жыл бұрын

People are creatures of habit. Cops tend to do the same thing. So smart criminals learn response time, routes, the roads the cops tend to take back to the station, etc. Everybody does this which is why it's so hard to fight. Getting shot dead and/or out of the sky corrected this tendency quickly.

@scottmccrea1873

Жыл бұрын

I envy you! My grandfather fought in Korea as well as a gunner's mate on a cruiser, bombarding NK positions. Sadly, he was not a talkative man and never told us very much about his service, 1936-57

@davidyendoll5903

Жыл бұрын

@@scottmccrea1873 Apparently crocodiles will wait in ambush on a regularly used approach line ....... beware fishing people !

In two decades in the Marines, I was in Quantico many times for advanced schools and there was always a pile of Soviet weapons and armor arrayed on base, most of it captured in Iraq, Afghanistan and of course Syria. We trained on it briefly, pretty much just general familiarization, but it's cool to see it again, all these decades later.

@scottmccrea1873

Жыл бұрын

High school friend of mine retired as a gunny. Multiple tours. Told me that they often used the DShK in Afghanistan. Reliable gun and tons of ammunition for it to be had.

@SidneyBroadshead

8 ай бұрын

I think the Iraqi army still has them as standard.

@aymanayad7230

6 ай бұрын

@@SidneyBroadshead we dont have a "standard" you are as likely to use a DSHK or NSV(usually not russian) or an M2 .50

Brutally elegant Soviet engineering. AIUI, Russian 12.7 ammo is really hard to come by in the States, so many are converted to .50BMG. From what little video I've seen, a firing DShK makes the Ma Deuce look puny with that YUGE! muzzle blast.

@callumkingunderwood

Жыл бұрын

Romania also produced dshk's in .50 BMG for it's own military

DShK, aka your Soviet anti-CAS solution in War Thunder

@chinesesparrows

Жыл бұрын

DShK, the sound it makes when dry firing

@MrDustyseb

Жыл бұрын

They also claped alot of helicopters in Vietnam

@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401

Жыл бұрын

Mega heavy machine gun

@Dunkopf

Жыл бұрын

Milk truck go BRRRR

@HappiKarafuru

Жыл бұрын

Well western M2 Browning can also do the same thing

This is one of the few channels where I can preemptively like the video knowing that it will be of a sufficiently high quality.

@yonigle8553

Жыл бұрын

What's the rush? Stay a while!

@Mikebumpful

Жыл бұрын

I also like that Ian never talks politics which keeps the comment section interesting for us nerds and not filled with crazy.

@LemonHead-sq5ws

24 күн бұрын

That’s kissing ass

They went with ShKAS machinegun for aircraft use and I hope you will be able to show us one, because the firerate of that thing is pure madness.

@chaos-fox

Жыл бұрын

And it’s bigger brother ShVAK as a 20mm cannon.

@JimmySailor

Жыл бұрын

Which is actually similar to the American approach. The M2 in aircraft may have been similar to ground mounted weapons but the ROF was jacked way way up. Aside from the receiver I don’t know if there were any common parts.

@ScottKenny1978

Жыл бұрын

10 stages of pulling the round out of the belt...

@lavrentivs9891

Жыл бұрын

@@JimmySailor Lighter barrels on the aircraft guns if I recall correctly (which I might not do), as airflow would cool the guns.

@samuelmendoza9356

Жыл бұрын

The feed mechanism is something to behold.

I'm glad you brought up the ammo interchangability myth. When I was a kid, my uncle who was in Vietnam told me that they could use American .50 BMG rounds but that the 12.7x108 wouldn't work in an M2. Once I started really learning about cartridges I realized this was nonsense, but it's an interesting bit of soldier's lore and could be an example of the demoralization of American troops in Vietnam.

@distalradius8146

Жыл бұрын

I've heard vets repeat the same BS about 5.45 and 5.56.

@vksasdgaming9472

Жыл бұрын

@@distalradius8146 At least with 12,7 mm mistake can be understood. Nominally only difference is case length so .50BMG should go through 12,7x108mm barrel.

@gargean1671

Жыл бұрын

@@distalradius8146 AND about soviet 23mm autocannons being able to use US 20mm ammo. Even told by REAL PILOTS.

@brianyoung3324

Жыл бұрын

I think the only time that was true was that 7.63 Mauser could be used in 7.62 Tokarev guns, but only because they're closely related rounds. Right? I remember some late 80s game (Wasteland? Cyberpunk? don't remember) made the claim that AKs could use captured 7.62 NATO but not the other way around 😂

@vksasdgaming9472

Жыл бұрын

@@brianyoung3324 Cyberpunk 2020 didn't make that claim. 7,63 Mauser being usable in guns chambered for 7,62 Tokarev but not opposite can be explained with them being practically identical rounds. Soviets did plan of making use of NATO ammunition like 80mm mortar bombs in their 81mm mortars which would have reduced their effective range and accuracy, but opposite would have failed.

the K in DK stands for Крупнокалиберный (krupnokaliberny), which means large-calibre.

I've always wondered why, in Vietnam War era literature, and especially in many of the military aviation books, they often referred to the DShk as a ".51 caliber machine gun". The pilots and/or writers seem to correctly identify 23mm or 57mm AA fire, but for some reason, at the time, DSHks are always referred to as .51 cal.

@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401

Жыл бұрын

Browning M2 + DShk + MG42 + Type 92 + Vickers HMG = All 5 heavy machine gun

@LeMeowAu

Жыл бұрын

Maybe as a way to quickly differentiate 50 calibre to 51 calibre. Like because they thought it was just larger so to avoid logistic issues with captured American brownings

@muhammadnursyahmi9440

Жыл бұрын

​@@LeMeowAu just like 75mm and 76mm gun for M4 shermans. 76mm gun ammo is actually 75mm, but designated so to avoid confusion between older 75mm ammo to newer, significantly more powerful 75mm ammo.

@machintelligence

Жыл бұрын

@@LeMeowAu The cartridge case was both longer and larger diameter so why not refer to it as a .51? It makes it easier to instantly tell which one you are referring to.

@lairdcummings9092

Жыл бұрын

​@@muhammadnursyahmi9440 similarly, the 106mm recoilless rifle, which was actually 105mm, but uses a radically different case from the well-known howitzer.

One of our favorites! Thanks for highlighting this incredible machine gun.

The safety markings are a bit strange in Finnish. The fire setting says "Tulta" which is either a command to fire or singular partitive of the word "tuli" meaning it's an answers the question of what something is with what would in English be "it's fire"(can mean both actual fire or gun fire). And the safe marking is a slightly shortened form of the word "varmistin" which is most often used to describe the safety lever itself or "varmistus" which basically means "makes sure". So basically the settings are "it's fire" and "makes sure".

@memph1ston

Жыл бұрын

They were just ahead of their time. This gun is in fact, fire. 🔥

@dpetrides

Жыл бұрын

kinda forces you to read it in a russian accent even when translated

@alexsmirnof

Жыл бұрын

Hmm... Fake Finnish marks?

@vennijesperi

Жыл бұрын

@@alexsmirnof Probably not, it's just that old Finnish gun markings were often really inconsistent and specific to each gun. Though I am somewhat surprised they would even bother to redo them since that was not done on most guns. M39 has literally no markings on the safety, same with Lahti-Saloranta M/26 and KP-31 too.

@avtomaticeskijrazdatcikgus2713

Жыл бұрын

Safety markings: Google translate edition.

Honestly, I think the belt feeding system is really neat. Complex enough to be considered Soviet, but simple enough for any insurgent without prior training to light up a convoy with it. Also, it's basically a full-auto revolver. And the Soviet .50 cal is technically bigger, so it IS better! 9mm is huge guys, don't let anyone tell you differently. But seriously, .50bmg sounds loud, but 12.7mm Russian is a different beast entirely.

@johnmcclain3887

Жыл бұрын

When I was on active duty in the Marines, what you state was plain as day

@liquid880

Жыл бұрын

It sounds louder, but in reality it's not that different from the 50 bmg.

@user-zl8hp2xe7m

5 ай бұрын

У нас в России Мосинка поивилас через 20 лет после вашей гражданской войны какда вы стреляли из мушкетов

On the other hand, the Soviets had the Berezin UB for the aerial use in the same caliber as DShK. That in turn was developed to 20 mm Berezin B-20 cannon which replaced ShVak.

Most popular toyota hilux accessory.

There was a DShK mounted on what seemed to be the frame of a wheelbarrow.

That's why I love this channel. Little to no politics, all about the cool mechanics. Amazing as always. Thank you Ian.

The best thing about Ian is that no matter what the provenance of a weapon, if it's a good one, you'll always hear the excitement and curiosity come through in his voice....👍

Fascinating! I look forward to part 2 - at the range!

@JohnSmith-yv6eq

Жыл бұрын

Back up gun? Primary gun being...?

@ScottKenny1978

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-yv6eq ZiS-3 76mm!

I know its called "forgotten weapons" but I thin some of Ians best work is doing insightful deep dives on common guns such as this. His depth of knowledge and technical know how sets this channel apart.

Does it come with a white Toyota as an accessory? 🤭

Slight error in the factual information on the use of DShKs on vehicles: The SMK multi turret tank was initially given a DShK at the rear of the turret, this was replaced when deployed to Finland in the Winter War. Additionally, the T-40 amphibious tanks primary armament was the DShK, they were manufactured in 1940 and 1941, and was replaced with a 20mm ShVAK in October of 1941 when the T-40 evolved into the T-30. the Ba-64 was also prototyped with a DShK, but at most one prototype was made and the type never fielded.

@gratius1394

Жыл бұрын

I think you meant T-60, not T-30.

@francis9469

Жыл бұрын

No I mean the T-30. It was the replacement for the T-40, then the T-60 was the simplified T-30. It's confusing because 30 logically shouldn't follow 40, but that's the USSR for you

@gratius1394

Жыл бұрын

@@francis9469 I wasn't confused, just suprised. Not sure why the Soviets would have bothered with developing non-amphibious version of T-40 before June of 1941. Maybe it was just a backup design at this point. But you're right, I stand corrected.

@RomaNovikov1980

Жыл бұрын

@@gratius1394 , плавающий не держал требования по пулестойкости. Так и появилось 2 вида почти одинаковых: один для авангарда танкистов, а другой для поддержки пехоты. Но потом плюнули, и на водоходность забили вообще (случаев её массированного использования за всю войну было, наверно, меньше 10), а разведчики пересели на ленд-лизовские колёсные амфибии.

@gratius1394

Жыл бұрын

@@RomaNovikov1980 No wonder, T-40 was designed for offensive type of warfare and wasn't suitable for defensive operations.

In the metro video games there was a weapon called “abzats” it was a modified DShk-38 chambered in 12 gauge. I wanted to know what you thought about the idea? Edit: for everyone who keeps talking about how impractical an abzats would be, I forgot to mention, it’s a heavily stripped down version. The belt mechanism is completely different. The barrel is chopped down, It has proper furniture and a smaller 20 round belt. The gun being chambered for 12g means you could use a completely different barrel assembly as well, shorter and smaller gas piston as well as recoil spring. The barrel doesn’t need to be nearly as long. Could get away with a lighter muzzle device(if I remember correctly the one in game doesn’t have a muzzle device), the chamber isn’t going to be as heavy because 12g is much lighter then 12.7mm. Probably weighs more like 40-60 pounds. And in a metro setting where you’re not moving to much it makes more sense to have an HMSG then something like an AK or a Saiga. And most of the ranges you’re engaging at aren’t much past what a shotgun in a video game would good for. Never more then 20 meters. It’s more practical then a normal DShK-38 because it’s lighter, more effective against the general enemy, ammo is easier to find, it’s a full auto weapon(the only full auto shotgun in metro), and you don’t really need to aim. All in all it’s would be good at both a mounted position or as a man portable weapon. Yes it would be awkward to load but it’s better then most of the shotguns available.

@TheArklyte

Жыл бұрын

Possible... if you can lug around 50kg gun with 10kg of ammo.

@capt.bart.roberts4975

Жыл бұрын

Not a very long range weapon, then?

@ichimonjiguy

Жыл бұрын

Terrible idea. A MK-19 grenade launcher will perform better than your 12 gauge DShK in range, accuracy, and firepower.

@Z0RR0NINJA

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't need to be in the game, considering you're largely in metro tunnels so everything is in your face, in that situation a 40 round box mag of 12 gauge with the fire rate of an HMG comes in real handy.

@Chris_FMS_Redfield

Жыл бұрын

You would need to downsize the gun a lot.

this is the gun we have all seen swinging around on the back of a white 90's toyota pick uo.

I thoroughly enjoy your disassembly videos! Can't tell you how many times I've disassembled and reassembled my WASR 10 and SVT 40 and just totally enjoyed myself doing it; I can only imagine how much fun this is for you and I appreciate that you share this with us!

One of our favorites! Thanks for highlighting this incredible machine gun.. It’s a belt fed revolver, incredible.

When I was stationed on Fliegerhorst Kasern in West Germany in the 80s part of our weekly training included classes on identifying Soviet equipment and uniforms. It was specified that the US used .50 Cal and the Soviets used 12.7mm or 14.5mm in their machine guns and that the Soviet 12.7mm was not comparable with US guns. I figure it was to counter the 'old wives tale" of the two rounds being interchangeable.

Dushka means "sweetheart" in Russian. How touching.

The only place the US didn't consider using the M2 was as deck plating for their aircraft carriers. But that was only because that job was already taken by the 20mm oerlikon gun.

Fascinating design. Ian, you are a treasure. I learn so much on here. God bless all here.

The DShK or "there´s no cover only concealment."

3:58 love that sound ❤

Cool, this belt feed mechanism is a work of art. This thing is so heavy, I was always a huge fan of DShKM, and original looks as cool as it's successor

The trust these auction houses have in you is fantastic. It gives you a chance to really give us such an in-depth look at these weapons. Thank you.

@OneofInfinity.

Жыл бұрын

There is no doubt in my mind he well earned that trust.

Would be cool to see a KVP deep dive as well.

@Drillz007

Жыл бұрын

one can only hope since hes done a fair few other 14.5 guns already

I enjoy the ingenuity with which the designers solve different problems.

Very cool indeed an early part of the manufacture run and a really interesting feed mechanic that clearly works well.

I really appreciate you explaining things in the simplest of ways. I am no gun expert. So the detailed descriptions REALLY help me. 👍 ☮

the 12,7mm guns on soviet aircrafts, like Yak series and models, were UBS machine guns, developed by Berezin UBS guns are lighter 21kg vs. 34kg on DShK and the soviets prefered, specially at the end of the war larger caliber guns, such as shvak 20mm and larger

Watching Ian squee about the year model of the gun is so heartwarming.

It'd be interesting to know what path a Soviet heavy machine gun built in 1939 took to end up at an auction house in the US.

@michaelwarenycia7588

Жыл бұрын

Vietnam?

@ScottKenny1978

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelwarenycia7588 Or Korea.

@michaelwarenycia7588

Жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 American soldiers do seem to have an eye for curious guns.

@minuteman4199

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelwarenycia7588 Maybe, but given the shit kicking the Soviet army took at the hands of the FInns then the Germans, what are the odds that a gun made it 1939 survived the war? Maybe it was captured by the Finns?

@michaelwarenycia7588

Жыл бұрын

@@minuteman4199 true

At this point Ian has probably gone over thousands of weapons, but still gets excited about them and that’s just great. Keep it up.

This is an unusual loading and locking system, super cool.

US: "I have big boolet, .50 BMG (12.7x99mm)." USSR: We have bigger boolet, 12.7x108mm."

@Anvilshock

Жыл бұрын

Ye, but your powder is weaker so you need more of it.

@paleoph6168

Жыл бұрын

@@Anvilshock add more powder then. The more the merrier. /s

...In 1925, they began development of this gun to shoot at biplanes. Incredible.

ahh, the stepbrother of DP28 and PPSH!

I can still hear the sound this MG made when I was a kid playing Close Combat 3: The Russian Front. Funny thing is, if you look at the front of the box, on photo shoot day supposedly someone forgot some stuff so they used an Smle as the rifle in the hands of the Russian.

Does anybody else love watching Ian’s videos with 3D models of the guns in front of them? I’ve found that a LOT of guns Ian covers are either in Battlefield V or Enlisted- so I can usually bring up a pretty good 3D reference model by looking in the armory of those games. Just figured i’d share in case anyone else thought the idea was cool.

@ScottKenny1978

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Ian was a technical advisor for the Battlefield series.

@TylerMcL3more

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@@ScottKenny1978 I’m aware- but the amount of featured guns that I see in Enlisted is a bit weird as I think that was made by Russians/Eastern Euros mostly.

@ScottKenny1978

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@@TylerMcL3more I'm not sure about the Enlisted series, but it wouldn't be hard to watch Forgotten Weapons videos while working on the programming.

Tnak you Ian for always finding new historic weapons, this is very informative, and very useful even oustide of the scope of weapons collectors... i'm looking forward too see the next strange SMG one you find

This is an absolutely fascinating video to me as we had one exactly liking it sitting on the verandah of the Guardroom at one of the Army units I served in. We often wondered what that charging handle did because everything apart from the feed system was seized solid. The gas system and breech block looks like an overgrown Bren

A purist may think that a sear unit stamped in Finnish might spoil the provenance of the weapon. But I'd disagree. Discovering foreign markings on parts of the gun just make it all feel rich with history. This gun had an interesting story behind it.

@ScottKenny1978

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I'd assume that it was captured during the Winter War and then surplused during the 1960s or so, since the US stopped allowing the importation of NFA items in 1968.

nice, hopefully in the future you can show the kpv machine gun

When Ian mounted the ammo can, the gun just came alive 🤯

Great presentations, I always look forward to the next one

Always interesting and informative content. Thank you.

Love the DSHK hope you do the KPV next 😊.

Soviet heavy arms look straight outta Star Wars! That thing would look perfect on the rail of Jabba The Hutts sail barge!

@gratius1394

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Twined DShKM's appeared in "Starship Troopers" on a watchtower during outpost siege scenes. And yeah, despite their age they still looked futuristic.

@GarioTheRock

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I heard many times that many of the weapons in Star Wars were inspired by WWII-era developed firearms, and there a lot of evidence to support that claim. Which I think is pretty cool.

@ScottKenny1978

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@@GarioTheRock most of the weapons in Star Wars, particularly the Original Trilogy, _were_ WW2 weapons greeblied up with weird stuff. For example, the Stormtrooper blaster is a Sterling SMG with an M4 or M6 tank scope (mounted backwards!) and an engine hour meter box on the side. I'm tempted to make one myself, but use an Eotech holographic sight with a custom bump guard. Not sure whether to use an airsoft one with fluorescent red pellets or a real one modified to semi auto only and firing tracers. The Jawa ion gun is an early war tank smoke launcher, a cut down Lee-Enfield rifle with the grenade cup fitted.

20:12 that cut where you put the shield on and then turn it to bring it into view was like a magic trick. good editing.

Another reason for low production compared to the M2 was that the Soviets had a different .50 caliber machine gun specifically for aircraft use, the Berezin UB, and there was therefore no reason to ever even consider sticking them on aircraft when a purpose built gun for that was already in mass production. If memory serves me right the UB was much lighter and not built for the sort of sustained fire the DShK was built for, so it was also just a better choice for the role. It was produced prolifically in the war, being the standard non-cannon sidearm of Soviet mixed-gun fighters for most of the war

I would have liked to see Ian sit in the gunners seat. Its not often the guns he demonstrates come with their own chair.

That spindle feed design is wild lol

The gun shield on Soviet machine guns is better than nothing, but the fact that the gunner needs to see past it makes it flawed. Instead of having some kind of periscope system to see over it, the Russians just cut a slot into it for vision. That's a pretty big space where the armor isn't, and so it's also a big space for bullets to pass right through. I've seen live combat footage of people getting their tickets punched because it's an immutable law of nature: if you can see them, they can see you.

Always love Ian with a big gun!! What a convenient charging handle!

That mounting system doesn't look like it has enough elevation to shoot at aircraft while using the sights. It looks to be more useful as an infantry support, and anti-material weapon. A very clever feed mechanism though.

@youtubeaccount9058

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That's my question, I wonder if this tripod jacks way up, or if they fitted it to a different tripod for AA. I see his other video does have a taller tripod kzread.info/dash/bejne/ppuMuax-it2seKg.html

@Mbartel500

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@@youtubeaccount9058 wow!!! That is some incredible muzzle flash…even in broad daylight..imagine what that would be like at dusk. Now that mount looks more suited for AA use or land based fire. Thanks for the video link.

@JohnSmith-yv6eq

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@@ljubomirculibrk4097 Didn't Ian say that that tripod as shown actually unfolded into an AA mount....?

@bloqk16

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On the video @14:09 Ian explains the versatility of that mounting system that can be converted to a standup antiaircraft mount; though he doesn't display that conversion.

I've been waiting for you to do an episode on the DShK for so long. Thanks for the run-down and, as always, a brilliant and informative presentation. Thanks, Ian!!

These were still pretty prevalent in Afghanistan when I was there. Enough that our unit SOP was if we believed we were being fired on with one and they were within range our mortar team would drop 5rds of HE and 10rds WP alternating out of the 120mm on it to not only kill the crew but destroy the weapon and equipment. Edit: Incase anyone was wondering we called that type of fire mission a “Shake’n’Bake” 😅

@benlewis4241

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I've seen that to counter the tactic they started mounting them on motorbikes for shoot 'n' scoot tactics. Later they started fitting IR scopes to be extra spicy. You can see the former tactic being done rather ineffectively at roughly 11 and a half minutes of this documentary (kzread.info/dash/bejne/hqhl27exXbDVftI.html)

@matthaft2048

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@@benlewis4241 wouldn’t doubt it. One of my biggest fears when out on foot patrol was when we’d be in a staggered column going along the road, a covered jingle truck would drive through and have one of these staged in the back to start spraying the formation once it got passed the lead man. Thankfully my anxiety was a better tactician than the local taliban 😅

@benlewis4241

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@@matthaft2048 Afghan Tachanka! Now that would be interesting (and terrifying) to see. Good thing your anxiety stayed on the coalition side. I could see many things going wrong on the Taliban side though, just imagine if the back failed to drop properly or if the old gun jammed at that exact moment I just imagine the chap having a "well this is awkward" moment! Were you allowed to fire warning shots at suspicious approaching vehicles? I recently was told by someone who claimed to be an afghan war vet that warning shots are "war crimes" because the bullet could hit someone, but that shooting up the vehicle is fine, and I am sceptical because I know that is not the practice in the Balkans and Northern Island.

@matthaft2048

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@@benlewis4241 it depended on the situation. When dealing with people our SOP was Shout,Show,Shove,Shoot. With a vehicle it was Ground(shoot a round in front of it),Grill(put one in the engine), and Guy(pretty self explanatory). We also had those little pen flares we could pop off if we really felt a need. Or turn your laser from IR to visible and point. That usually worked pretty good. Never heard anything about warning shots being a war crime though

11:45 Like the coolest exercise rowing machine ever.

An extraordinary degree of detail in this video -

Ian: “If the frame get broken and I’m not sure how that would happen because it’s just big chunks of steel…” Soviet conscript: “Challenge accepted! Hold my vodka…”

@ianfinrir8724

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You can make something as idiot proof as you want, the world will build a bigger idiot.

@LeMeowAu

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Wouldn't be surprised if they managed to make a brick malfunction

@Taisto-Perkele

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Never underestimate a soldiers ability to break something, especially their own equipment :D

@commisaryarreck3974

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@@Taisto-Perkele For the US that'd be the marines Some countries just have..."special" forces Others just have mostly normal soldiers

@ScottKenny1978

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@@LeMeowAu there's a running joke thay if you locked a US Marine into a bunker with 3 large ball bearings, in 30 minutes one would be lost, one broken in half, and one pregnant.

Always loves these. Ive qlways had liking for soviet equipment for how simple and distinct they look. The dshk is no exception

it might actually be a continuation war captured gun, that would explain why it was never modified to a newer version

That was great. Thank You Ian. .

Thanks to Ian for showing a rare Soviet heavy machine gun! Excellent security! Just one note: the USSR was not stingy with the production of DShKs, the USSR simply did not have enough production capacity to produce as many DShKs as the United States produced Browning 0.5 " Спасибо Йен за показ редкого советского крупнокалиберного пулемета! Отличная сохранность! Только одно замечание: СССР не был скуп на выпуск ДШК, у СССР просто не хватало производственных мощностей выпускать столько ДШК, как США выпускали Браунинг 0,5"

I remember at the DFACs in Afghanistan there was a paper posted with the image of a mangled hand. Looked like hamburger. The soldier used a .50 cal live round as a hammer for mount pins. Never use a live round for anything other than loading into a gun to fire

@GarioTheRock

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When it comes to the DShK, there are very few people who in the military in the East have issue with using a live round to engage the charging handle. In fact, if you have no mount and haven't fired the gun, you don't have any other options, its part of the design. Hamming with a live round is always stupid, but the charging handle on this was designed for a live round to be used, so, don't worry so much. Pulling laterally on the base of a case of a live round with a few pounds of force will not detonate a cartridge, I have bet the integrity of my hands many times on that fact! Though not with a DShK. Lawsuits are much less common in Russia, Ukraine and in the East in general, so, stupidity or 1 in 10,000,000,000 misfortune is not rewarded with changes in law or practice unless it is a likely occurrence, things like flagging each other with loaded guns is a no-no, but if it has no magazine, you are certain/have checked it is empty and you're just discussing the weapon, unlike in America, we do not yell at each other about pointing empty guns at each other when both of us know it is empty, as has happened to me in America a few times. "We don't even have bullets for this thing." is something I have said TWICE after inspecting a firearm in America to a grown man who was cross with me for engaging in: "poor firearms safety practices," like, brother, we are in your dining room and we're inspecting a musket and one of the earliest Spanish 4 gauge shotguns, relax. And yes, one of those instances was with the aforementioned guns, I doubt there was any ammunition in the WORLD that could have worked with that monster. x) So, relax, and use a 12.7 x 108 as a charging handle, nothing will happen except subsequent fun and possible hearing loss if your ear protection falls out or off.

The feed mech in this is a work of art an so simple solution

4:59 Ian getting geeked out with the gun is one of my fave parts.

That feed system... Everybody say the father of the modern high firing rate single barrel cannons (DEFA, ADEN, M39, BK 27) used on aircrafts are the Mauser MG 213C. Well, the feed system of that gun is suspiciously similar to this.

A Savage 99 magazine spool on steroids. As usual, an extremely well done review. Mr. Ian, thank you!

@Anvilshock

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Now that's the first in a long list of comments that likens the feed spindle to some other firearm's mechanical element that _isn't_ some unqualified "durr spINnY thinG it'Z a rEVolVeR" when it isn't even remotely a revolver. Will miracles never cease.

It's always a treat to learn how the older generations of gun designers crafted these legendary weapon systems.

I love the engeniring on these old gun's!

Soviet Union: loses yet another brand-new weapon, and to whom? To the Finns! Ian at 15:55: *that* is supercool

This was the gun without a sign at the museum i went to. Had to ask the forgotten-weapons subreddit community to identify this beast. And of course it was a mg captured by the Finns to destroy the invaders!

After 10 years, finally see a full video about original DShK. Remember that video of shooting with Leszek. :)

“What do you mean, Mr. ATF Agent? This is just an antique, like a Victrola or a rocking chair!”

It's probably a good thing you didn't try to use a live round to cycle the gun. I had to go to Ft Irwin before, part of their range safety training was a cautionary tale about what might happen if you use a 50 cal incorrectly. Apparently one of the soldiers had a stuck gun mount of some kind and couldn't get the screw unlocked. He didn't have a hammer, but he did have a (live) 50 caliber round with him. Turns out, if you hit it juuust right, the cartridge can detonate. They showed a picture of his hand, there was not much of a hand left.

@ScottKenny1978

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The military is good about making sure there are horrible pictures of what happens when troops get stupid.

@OneofInfinity.

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@@ScottKenny1978 Reminded me of one of the films we got to see during basic training, this one was about: how not to deal with mines or how civilians end up after trying to disarm a mine.

@ScottKenny1978

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@@OneofInfinity. I got a different set of videos, I was a Sailor. Got to watch some officers jump out of their burning airplanes on the deck of a carrier.

@ScottKenny1978

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@@OneofInfinity. the other film I got to watch is what happens when a mooring line parts under full load. Body parts flying everywhere as the 2" kevlar line goes through anything that isn't steel.

Thanks for showing ! That is a beast ,

My favorite part is how Ian is out of breath because the thing weighs +70lbs.

Ох уж эта судьба легенды. И дышкой его назовут, и даже душкой теперь. Хорошо, что мы с пацанами всегда безошибочно узнаём Дашку.

Excellent video! Although Ian is in very good physical condition, it is notable that when he has to disassemble Soviet/Russian weapons he ends up panting, lol. Greetings from Argentine Patagonia.

@Ceyler1000

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и тебе привет дружище

@bulukacarlos4751

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@@Ceyler1000 привет и привет из Патагонии Аргентина,

Very impressive innovation and engineering for any time period.

Fantastic presentation.

I had no idea the DShK worked like this (the rotary feed). We had one in our forensics collection in Northern Ireland where I used to work. It was non-functional however as it was an old captured gun from an IRA operation and had been riddled with 7.62 by the British Army. **Edit to add - 70+ lb doesn't surprise me at all. I had to move it once and it's a heavy bastard)