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@jarnomikkola8438

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the test portion of the video. No DSE. But question: I used the 2160p60 mode, and the video on my TV (LG55" CX Oled) seems to have very bad screen tearing issue. Is this because KZread encoding ? Also, I am in Europe, so the display friequency could technically be 59.7-59.9 don't remember the exact one... and not 60Hz.

Imagine paying thousands of dollars/euros and getting a faulty TV... I swear, things were easier in the CRT days...

@Tonyfix

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spectral2k1 Haha I remember that magnet stuff, where we would troll a friend with a big ass 38" CRT Panasonic 130 lbs TV :)

@criticalhard

2 жыл бұрын

This should be considered a scam tbh, it's ridiculous. Back in "primitive ages" you bought a TV and it worked perfect why these modern tvs are full of issues and still being so expensive

@TechCody113

Жыл бұрын

@@criticalhard yeeep they outta be sued for this shit literal

@richardvacanti9428

Жыл бұрын

Remover having the tv repair man come and replace the tubes

@PogueSquadron

11 ай бұрын

I’m looking at TVs and there’s so many people with problems with vertical banding and other issues, I’m not even wanting to get one anymore. Have already played the “return a TV because of issues” game and I don’t know if I have it in me again.

Honestly, it’s annoying that companies can’t fix this. I bought a 65”, QN90A that looks awesome. However, I have noticed vertical banding, especially on an angle. I wouldn’t say it’s a terrible panel but for a tv worth $3000+ here in Canada, it makes me sick to my stomach that DSE is still an issue.

@TechCody113

Жыл бұрын

They know it is and DONT care.

@devarajarao360

Жыл бұрын

​@@TechCody113 my sony have it too

how about iphone oled? my iphone 13 have banding plus uniformity issue when setup 5% grey background as my wallpaper and view it in a pitch black room... however on normal use nothing banding or uniformity occur? should i play the oled lottery ?

Great video explaining the issues experienced by the dirty screen effect. One issue we should begin to mention seen in larger TVs, specifically LCD tv’s 65” and larger, you can encounter dirty screen effect due to wall mounting placement. I recently purchased a 85” Sony X95J LCD tv and experienced areas of dirty screen effect during low light situations. I soon had the service tech over and he recommended removing the tilt from the wall mounted position which fixed the issue. What he explained was due to the larger screen size and increased weight of the TV there was excess stress being placed on the LCD panel in the forward tilted position, which resulted in screen uniformity issues observed during low light situations.

@TheJoshkc662

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, might try this before getting a tech out to see if it resolves. If it does then I have to decide which bothers me more, the banding or the washed out blacks from off-axis viewing...

@joserosado4667

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheJoshkc662 Good luck! Let me know if it that fixes it. It would be nice to know that I’m not the only one this has happened to.

@TheJoshkc662

2 жыл бұрын

@@joserosado4667 tried it and that didn't seem to resolve it for me. Might be the difference between the way the models are built, I have the 85" X90H. I've been on the fence about whether or not to even try for a warranty claim, it's only noticeable when there are large areas of one uniform color, like when the screen fades to white, or when the shot is panning across a bright sky or something. It's bad enough to distract and bother me, but I doubt anyone else sees it.

@Stopher2475

Жыл бұрын

So probably the more level your TV the less this can pop up. Interesting. Good reason to not put a tv too high up on the wall.

Fantastic video. Very informative and straight to the point. Love your content and delivery.

I have some vertical banding on my Samsung QN95B 75" When watching content i have seen it maybe one time but it was faint. The other hand, when im gamin, for example RDR2 Online in hdr and theres a full moon in the sky at night , and i pan, i see the vertical banding really well. There is someone from Samsung coming to me next week, but im not really sure if i should exchange the panel or not :( What streaming movie is good for checking vertical banding/dse ???

Not the Raid Shadow Legends 😂 Good video as always FOMO!!

Very good and informative video about DSE. Especially the parts about the bigger screen sizes and Sony this year. I ended up getting two 85-in Sony X95J TVs with major grid pattern problems that were noticeable in normal content. Ended up finally getting a 83-in LG C1 which has slight uniform vertical banding that's not noticeable the vast majority of time so I'm keeping it.

@taras1082

2 жыл бұрын

I returned my X95j (75) inches as well bcs of this crazy grid

@just_delightful

2 жыл бұрын

I got a LG 83 yesterday - rain pixel refresh after 10 hours of HDR and it improved it greatly.

@shepherd7331

Жыл бұрын

My near 8 year old LG Smart 3D has started showing a grid of white sports very recently. But most of the time they cannot hurt gaming. Even the repair center advised me not repair it cuz the issue is so minimal and repairing is costly for such a little issue. However, I replaced that panel one year after purchase, a new dark spot appeared (I recently found out is one of LEDs in the grid). But this dark sport nearly had ZERO effect on my gaming life, u can only notice in plain color, but in games almost never. Of course these issues dont bother me at all while watching TV.

@Esignn

Жыл бұрын

My A90J 83” thankfully doesn’t have anything noticeable.

I have an LG C1, had it for about 3 months now.. on full white screen picture, it seems that I have a slight pinky ish vertical line from the right side. Does that mean the screen is damaged? Hope somebody answers and help me with this, damn.. thanks in advance

I really appreciate you sermon on DSE. I learned some things here today. Thank you.

Questions can amazon test the tv for too see if u have the dirty screen effects?? And how much it cost to do that

@stopthefomo, I just had a 65" LCD that developed a very large and very noticeable brown splotch after a couple weeks, which I could easily see on all but the darkest colors, and I started a return process for it. But then someone suggested I try unplugging the TV to fix it. I did that, and all that discoloration was gone. Can you explain why simply unplugging the TV would fix such a problem?

Also what tends to cause quite some DSE (the classic type: striping, patches etc) is full array local dimming grids. You can literally have a visible checkerboard on a lot of FALD LCD panels. Samsung comes to mind here for me with their Q90R, Q90T etc. Having owned a few of those it was one of my main gripes with the panel.

@ye-rochawkins5432

2 жыл бұрын

Yessir! I know exactly what you mean, and same here man. It was my main gripe too. I unfortunately see it on virtually every FALD LCD/QLED I look at. Even many of the MiniLEDs. I also notice the transitions in dark scenes, between the zones. I am just very sensitive to things like that. It’s kinda a curse tbh. Bc I’ve had a rough go finding a TV that didn’t have immersion breaking distractions such as this. It’s why I finally switched to OLED, after being anti OLED for quite some time. (Bc my experiences with BI) It definitely has been better on OLED. Less distractions. But I’d be lying if I said I didn’t miss Quantum Dots. They’re magic imo. But even OLED has its own set of issues. I just thankfully got a clean panel the first go around. I am super hopeful for QD-OLED. I need something to bridge the gap, til QDEL comes to market.

Question for all. Can laying down your TV face down on a bed or big flat cushioned like sofa for approximately 2 hours cause more DSE? I had it like that while preparing the mount on the wall and screwing the VESA brackets on the back. Now after finding out my 65” U7K has vertical banding and DSE I can notice while playing content my big concern is if it were my fault. Someone please prove me wrong. 🙏

Is there anything I can do to eliminate DSE on my Sony 60" panel outside of purchasing a new set? Thanks! ✌♐

@Stop the FOMO What is your opinion on the 2021 LG Nano85? I live in Canada is 999 good value for the money on an 55 inch? In comparison the x85j is the same price and the Q70A is 1100$

I experienced this over 10 years ago on a Sharp Aquos 1080p LCD HDTV, before LED TV screens were on the market. Back then, Aquos had a great 2 year defective panel guarantee. At the time, this particular set was really known for really bad banding and splotches that were really annoying in scenes where there is a grey sky. But I knew based on forum discussions that was an inherent defect with this model and not just a panel lottery situation, so I took advantage of the 2 year guarantee and waited until the last couple months to report the defect. 2 replacements later from Sharp, they all had the same DSE and I was able to get 100% of my money back under their guarantee and I used it to buy a Samsung set which had a more acceptable level of DSE.

@superionmaximus9900

2 жыл бұрын

@Ally LCD is not the same as LED. LCD is the display technology. A component of most LCD Displays is a back light and LED is technology used the backlight. Not all LCD TVs have LED Back lights. Early LCD Televisions often had Florescent Tube back lights for example.

When you say vertical banding do you mean that it pops up light in a vertical form? When I see mine, mine goes horizontal and I see some small lights in which those lights go horizontal, especially when displayed in a full grey screen. So what my TV is experiencing is DSE?

Also, by experience, you usually exchange for the worst when it comes to panels. Unless it is truly an obvious problem for your typical use case, just avoid the trouble to return your big 75+ inch TV multiple times.

@shepherd7331

Жыл бұрын

I'm aiming for 55in next time. Due to many complaints I see, and space restrictions at my home, I cancelled my plan to buy a 65in TV. Plus, it will save me a ton of money.

Good video, FOMO. I agree with basically everything you say here. I got an 85” X900H earlier this year and it has a bit of DSE that I can notice in the sky sometimes when gaming and I pan the camera, but it’s not that bad. It’s fairly uniform for the most part. It does bug me a bit that for all that money in 2021, we can’t get near perfect panels, but I guess it’s really our own fault for continuing to purchase and put up with TVs that have this issue. If we all stopped buying these, the manufacturers would have to up their game.

@grantmalone

2 жыл бұрын

Skies are the worst. Every time I sync a tower in an open world game and get the rotating panorama of the local area that they all love to do it's like "here's another filthy view of the sky" when I should be appreciating the landscape...

Very informative 👏. What about clouding and edge lit on the Samsung AU8000 50" in Dark scenes ? Thank you

Question for you sir. I have read that loosing the screws a tad on the back of the panel can help alleviate dse and banding because those are usually caused by the stack being to tight. Have you ever tried doing this? I Have also read that over time that dse and banding can go away bc the heat from the tv helps loosen up the insides a little. Any thoughts? Thank you very much in advance!!

@Link23809

2 жыл бұрын

I read about this too, with DSE potentially going away with time and regular usage.

@deancass489

2 жыл бұрын

My LG 75" LED TV is 3 years old this September and over the last 4 months an area of DSE has become apparent that was not there, prior. So I think that, over time, DSE can be 'developed', rather that 'lessened'. The tv hangs flat against the wall on a wall bracket.

Just got the hisense u7k 55 and it has a dirty space on left side. Only visible on white screens. Should I return it?

Another great video FOMO! anyway, I had massive red tint on my 65 lg c8 and then brutal horizontal banding and grid on a 77 lg cx, which I ended up selling bc it was out of the return window. My dad bought a 65 and 48 cx from a different store and both had horizontal banding. So, from what I’ve seen, oled is definitely not free of dse. I am now on my second 85 qn90a. The first had dead pixels. Just got the second two days ago through an exchange. It has no dead pixels or vertical bands or grid or anything. But it does have some streaks near the bottom of the screen. I am convinced every tv has a problem of some sort, especially dse. I decided this most recent dse isn’t enough to return it. It’s very faint and toward the bottom. I only notice it if I’m playing a video game with a light solid color toward the bottom of the screen. Even so, I still have to look for it. Skyboxes are always on the top of the screen, so this viewing scenario to see the dse is rare. With that said, the QC of these companies is brutal. I would be willing to pay more to ensure a clean panel and not have to go through swapping, which is a pain, especially with large TVs.

Since all TVs have some DSE, do you see it in your viewing content? When?

@curbsidetech

2 жыл бұрын

I have to try to look for DSE, I normally dont see it unless Im testing and looking for it.

@HimanshuSharma-dz6qw

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t see it in any content at all, but when I ran the DSE test, I did see some light grid effect on my 75’ X95J. Not sure if it would get worse with time.

in th eG& there wasnt banding , but there was glow and stuttering . is that normal

One of the best videos you've ever done.

What scene (time) was it in remastered Lawrence of Arabia that showed DSE as part of the source material?

Soon returning my second Sony Bravia KE-75XH9096 😢 Any hints what i can say to Sony so I don't get another bad one 🙄 The screen got green tint so faces are greenish in sertain places..

I notice the DSE on Netflix home screen or loading screens to new apps otherwise I don’t notice it anywhere else really should I return my 85 inch x90k?

How come my 15 y.o. LCD (ISP) Eizo screens have no such problem at all even after 35k hours!? I bought brand new LG 55NANO76 and noticed it on the first boot up screen. Not so prominent, but on grey I can see it. Also white shows where the lamps are behind the screen :( Nothing to see when the photos/video is playing, and now I wonder what to do, since it took some time to drive it home and install it

Wonder how many heartrates jumped up a notch when he threw up that testscreen. 😅

I have a Hisense U6G 55 inch that has DSE. I found that by lowering the backlight to 10 and rising the contrast to 90 I was able to reduce the Dirty Screen Effect substantially. It is barely noticeable now.

What if you see a grid of squares where it's slightly dimmer at the borders? That seems to me that it's the dimming zones of that TV, but would that be considered DSE too?

@Mr505505

Жыл бұрын

I have this issue too on my QN90B, is it worth replacing?

My 83” LG C2 OLED has some noticeable vertical banding on a greyscale window up to 15% above that I can’t tell.

I find if you just got a new TV and you notice dirty screen don't worry. Most new tvs have it after a few week or months it will go and your picture will get better the TV needs to brake in over time so constant use and geting the best settings will sort this only WRKS on new tvs. Your braking the TV in form new. Most new TV have dirty screen but by changing seting and using TV constant it will fix after few weeks or few months as the TV will get best out of it after few week or months.. I got panisonic 4k I read up nearly every TV new will have dirty screen but like I said just brake the TV in and it will go only WRKS on new TV you just got.

@TheGivenSoul

2 жыл бұрын

I've had my tv since March of 2022, do I have a chance?😂

@joh12380

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGivenSoul there is another way if you have dirty screen put a dirty screen white fix vid on you tube it show haw dirty the screen is get a fiber cloth rub the cloth or massage it all over the screen mostly on dirty bit don't press to hard but make shore you press so you can see the screen changing abit do that all over you mite have do it few times till you notice it geting better then just keep the vid running till the end

@TheGivenSoul

Жыл бұрын

@@joh12380 thanks my guy!

@DIMIX0ND

Жыл бұрын

что за хуйню ты несешь еблан

I normally use the ‘can I live with it test’ to find if it’s acceptable or not. Very rare that a lcd screen doesn’t have some DSE to a degree

@Techno0Raver1992

Ай бұрын

Yeah... Got 2 Hisense same model one was worser than other. But at this price... okay... After i see that high priced sonys got the same problem i see this is a big lottery

Great information, Thank You 🙏

It happened to me. I bought a TCL 6 Series and at first I thought I'd actually WON the panel lottery, but over time the screen started to look horrible. Vertical lines over half the screen and just overall terrible uniformity. Even a slightly yellow area in the top middle. These things are only really noticable during grayish scenes, but when it's visible it's really visible. Of course I didn't get the extended warranty and it was outside the return window. SIGH.

On my QNED99, I have two dark spots on the top left half of the half of the LCD panel. Funny thing, we can temporarily fix dark spots by repeatedly lowering and increasing the backlight of the maxium to a minimum of several times in a row, then turning the backlight power back on as before.

I had hoped the X95J would be my next TV. I was ok with the performance, but the rainbow effect with direct on-screen lighting was a killer for me. I kept my eyes on black Friday pricing, even though I wasn't expecting to purchase until 2022 TV's were available. OLED was a no-go due to lack of brightness and burn-in fears due to my wife's viewing habits. The 65" A8H dropped to $1,499 on Cyber Monday and I snagged one. It is definitely bright enough. I keep the Light Sensor on for SDR viewing, and DV Bright for HDR. It is bright enough for my usage, even with overhead lighting turned on. YMMV!

@shepherd7331

Жыл бұрын

I'm thinking of some lower end, like QNED, over OLED, but to me reliability is better than quality, although 120hz will be important for me.

you pay money for a product to work. not a product to hope it might be okay. that the factory get away with it already for years is them hoping people dont know about it.

Hey FOMO do you think LG will make 1000 nit oled tv this year to compete with Sony?

Love your work! Could I request that you do a comparison of the NVIDIA Shield AI upscaling vs the Apple TV 4k 2017/2021 upscaling for 480p, 720p, 1080p, and 4k content? I think that would be an amazing video and some really great content to add to your channel! To take it one step further, you could also compare the ShieldTV and Aptv4k upscaling to the native upscaling of the premier LG and Sony processors. Thanks and keep up the great job you're doing!

@Mustafa_9628

2 жыл бұрын

Or better yet A long thorough video about upscaling on Various TVs (LG oleds sucks big time in upscaling) I was really disappointed by it bc even low bit-rate content on youtube at 1080p looks bad So i really would love to see which is the brand supreme in this matter

Most of the LED TV's I've purchased the DSE if any was not bad enough that I had to return a panel. I guess I got lucky with the panel lotteries

77 inch S95c didnt have any vertical banding or dse on your test, but with a full 5 percent grey scale screen i have a light thin vertical band on the very right and its not perfectly uniform. But 2 10 15 20 25 30 and all other gray scales are perfect. Its just the full 5 percent i see anything. I though about maybe returning it but honestly for a 77 inch it pretty darn clean i think.

I have a sony bravia xr 65x90j and i did the test you had and i didnt see much vertical banding but i do see it when im playing on my ps4 pro and when i watch football matches.and its kinda anoying me more and more im not sure what to do anyone any tips?

@TheGivenSoul

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have warranty?

Love your videos Watch them all the time. I just got a Sony 65 inch OLED A80 J. While hooking up my 4K player it asked if it was compatible with 4K HFR device could you tell me what 4K HFR is. Thanks and love the show

@allancopeland6342

2 жыл бұрын

Stands for high frame rate. 120 hertz ectra for gamming. Sony will cover hfr

Very informative video thanks. Hopefully in 10 years tvs won't have this ridiculous problem what a scam, even 50s tvs worked with 0 issues, this is beyond lame.

Yeah the dse seems to be a bigger issue on larger screens. I first purchased the 55 QN90a and did all the tests and it was really clean. Then took it back for the 65 since it also went on sale on Black Friday and also did the same tests for dse, banding etc…The 65 had some dse but when watching any kind of content or playing video games not even noticeable at all🤷🏽‍♂️ If it weren’t for all the people in the AV community I wouldn’t have even known about dse. So I’m pretty stoked with my tv, as long as it isn’t noticeable when viewing content or gaming keep it.

I have a 2017 LG C7. Thank goodness no banding, no burn in. I know it’s a oldie OLED but the picture on this tv still amazes me all these years later.

@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName

2 жыл бұрын

How’s the color?

I'd b interested to know if DSE is more likely in VA or IPS panels..

@timosinreturns

8 ай бұрын

IN MY EXPERIENCE IT IS MORE LIKELY ON VA PANELS.

I purchased a new R646 T.V. and my current issue is that there is a very faint black horizontal streak (around 8-10" in length) that ONLY appears on brown shades. It does NOT show up on D.S.E. tests, nor does it show up on R.G.B. tests. The only way I saw it was because the game I was playing had a brown image on the screen. All-in-all, it is very odd since the streak only shows up when a certain color is displayed on-screen.

@Zer0tolerance77

Жыл бұрын

I have this same issue on a hisense u7h accept it is longer

Great rendition of flatscreen tradeoffs. Another KZread gem here ... an example of value existing on KZread ... something that improves your quality of life.

@Noticerofthings

5 ай бұрын

Thanks

I had something similar happen on my last TV happen. Around the edges there was black spots which were spread out to dark grey around them. Then the backlight started giving up in late June this year. The black spots started showing up early last year. It was an LG 43UK6400PLF which I bought on black Friday 2019. The TV before that had a few big dark patches on the screen after four years. I bought a Philips 58PUS8535 and there's one very small dark grey spot near the bottom left of the TV already. But I don't see any vertical banding in it anywhere. I'm probably going to buy an OLED next year though.

@DragonboltBlastter

2 жыл бұрын

Blacl Friday tvs are not the same as their counterparts.. Black friday models are often made with bad quality parts...

@Steve30x

2 жыл бұрын

@@DragonboltBlastter of course they are. Besides the fact the retailer I bought the TV from had the TVs for sale months before black Friday so they must have gotten black Friday stock six months before the black Friday sales

I do sometimes wish I had been a bit more picky when I bought my QN90A. The thing is, when put to a white or grey screen and looking straight on, the panel is very clean. Years ago, I had an LG tv with noticeable shadow spots. My QN90A has nothing like that. The issue is that on an angle, you can see the vertical banding. What's weird as well is that if I am watching cable, I noitce it more in lighter images, but with HDR or very clean images, it's not there as much. Rehardless, the tv was expensive so although I will keep it for the amazing picture; I am disappointed that I have to see that here and there. On a side note, I agree that brighter screens are showing DSE more.

What I don’t understand is when spending thousands of dollars and no assurance of DSE-free? Don’t they have a panel grading system?

@red5standingby419

2 жыл бұрын

Why would they? They can charge you $3k for the panel and it doesn't matter if the panel is A+ or complete shit.

I love this guy.

I've read where people have said to lessen the screws on the back of the panel to reduce dse and black light flow and the other way is to massage every part and corner of the screen gentle with a soft cloth

@DIMIX0ND

Жыл бұрын

хоть молотком туда пиздани толку будет 0, поверь я пробовал. dse не уйдет и не добавится

I bought the Samsung 50qn90a and it has "DSE". If I return it, do I risk receiving one with even more "dirty screen effect"? Does Samsung generally suffer from this problem or are there particular cases? Thanks.

@Noticerofthings

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, you may get one that’s worse. My TV has DSE on the test patterns but it’s not bad when watching everyday content. Rarely even noticeable. If that’s the case for you then let it be, not worth playing the panel lottery

@michaelscott466

Жыл бұрын

How did it work out for you?

Seems like DSE has been around for quite sometime .You would think by now they would be able to avoid it on TV's with the technology that is available now.

@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing is perfect

@michaelwyckoff7593

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spectral2k1 you can learn new things every day thanks for the FYI.

My new Hisense U7H has this look to it like an unevenly painted wall, just steaks all up and down across the whole panel. I see it every time the camera pans across the sky or something else like that which fills the screen with light-colored movement. I didn't have this on my TCL 5-series at all. Like I don't recall even seeing a little dirty screen on that beautiful ol beast (RIP). I am seriously considering returning it, thankfully I have until the end of December to have Costco come pick it up. Maybe I'll go wild and spend the extra $ on an LG C2.

@Zer0tolerance77

Жыл бұрын

Did you return it im having a similar issue with my u7h accept it’s a horizontal line.I only have a few more days to return it

My LG CX past with flying colors. I love it 🥰

No vertical banding on my 77 inch oled C1 own it since April

I think my 77 inch Sony A80J is suffering from DSE. Its dull, grayish and lot of background noise. I can’t stand that tv. I’m looking to replace it ASAP

@michaelscott466

Жыл бұрын

I had a a80k and felt the same. Such a dull dim shitty tv

i got a 75in Sony X95J recently and it has a grid pattern across the entire screen. I'm going to exchange it, it's very noticeable during gaming and some sports. It's a shame because otherwise it's an amazing TV.

I bought the TCL 75in R646, and there is dse in the middle of the screen. See it mostly with football, and very minimally in other lighter content. I’m confused on what to do as it’s a 75, and if I go Sony X90J am I just going to see the same thing and have to return another TV? Frustrating to say the least. My wife says she can’t see it all. I see it every time during football. You can see the same issue on Best buts sure for the 75in R646. Several people have complained about it. Other content is fine, and looks great. However, on top of the dse, I also have a problem with watching sports shows or other show where they do wide pan out shots, the images look blurry. However, when the camera is close up on the announcers face, single face, image looks great. 3 commentators on the scene and there is blurr. Again I’m confused. Never experienced this with a TV before, but also never had a 75in. I have a ticket open with TCL for the dse, but we are moving at a snails pace since opening the ticket on Nov. 30th. FOMO, do you have any advice???

Should I dial back the backlight on my u8g or keep it at 100

@DigitalMediaChoas

2 жыл бұрын

What did you do? I have a U8G and when I brought it it didn't have dirty screen effect but now it does on one side of the TV on white screens and black screens

Pleased to say My 75" Sony X95J is super clean. No issues.

@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName

2 жыл бұрын

I bet it’s slightly bent.

@carlossantana997

2 жыл бұрын

My 75" x95j is super clean too and so bright for day use with direct sunlight.

@melissalayson7275

2 жыл бұрын

@@carlossantana997 My 55 inch Sony X90J is super clean too. No issues here.

LG WRGB OLED is almost perfect. If it just weren't for the vertical stripes in white areas and the slight reddish hue when viewed off-axis.

I had a 75r646 and returned it because of this issue.

There's DSE at the bottom of my TV. Not noticeable 80-90% of the time. Glad it's at the bottom instead of the middle or top.

Zero banding on my c2 but a visible color tinting of some parts on the left side on my screen and some red tinting on the bottom right.

@DIMIX0ND

Жыл бұрын

my c2 48 have 1 vertical line in the center when watch panning shots of sky. But have no issues you discribed. It could be a perfect tv, but not

DSE sounds like an OCD problem lol

Yep, just watched Lawrence of Arabia in 4K HDR and could see the vertical banding at times. I thought it was pretty obvious it was analog banding on the original film stock. I thought that spoke volumes to how good the transfer to 4K digital was accomplished.

@barryomahony4983

2 жыл бұрын

@@grantmalone I'm guessing probably mechanical damage, since that's how the film runs through the equipment. I remember the Super 8mm projector my family had when I was a kid. I converted all the 8mm movies my mom had to DVD several years ago.

Just bought a C2 and there is a pink line visible in the middle of the panel whenever the panel colour is grey ! What to do!

@michaelscott466

Жыл бұрын

All Evo panels have that.

I spent 700 on a ULED so I can’t be mad about some DSE. It’s not even worth the hassle of returning it just to get another one with the same issues.

Samsung QN90A here with zero DSE. PQ, especially HDR, is a beauty on this set. The only thing that I’ve experienced a couple times is a white flashing blotch when powering it on, whereas it’s supposed to do a top and bottom to the middle of the screen motion (not sure what this is called but happens right when you turn on the tv) when turned on normally.

@Noticerofthings

Жыл бұрын

No such thing as zero DSE. Clean panels yes. Zero DSE no

I’ve been lucked . No vertical banding. Just burn in for 2016 oled 55 in. LG.

@techbuddy5305

2 жыл бұрын

That sir is the worst thing that can happen to an OLED…you did not luck out unfortunately. In fact that is the main fear that drives many consumers away from OLEDSs

When gaming, the only title where you'd likely notice DSE is Cyberpunk 2077. Its distinctive raised black levels and gray filter tend to accentuate this effect. If your TV scores below 7.5 (which applies to 90 percent of TVs) on the gray uniformity test by RTINGS, you might observe it during Cyberpunk gameplay. Beyond this specific instance, I've never encountered it anywhere else except during a gray uniformity test.

Man! I wish I could wear a hat like that, really, I like it. DSE? I have a 65in q90t and it does have light DSE on the left and right edges, but only in very bright scenes. It doesn't bother me.

I got DSE on my C9 OLED TV, and returned it. 🤷‍♂️ The seller offered me changing it for another and he promised me to review it first before, to see if it also has a problem. In the end he preferred return the money because the other two that he saw were worse.

for some LCD TVs, the DSE comes from the white plate behind the lcd panel this is easily cleaned by professional technicians. our TCL 49 inch developed DSEs on several areas of the screen and we called it in for service (3rd party techs). they opened the panel and there were indeed dust accumulation on the areas with dse. some spots could not be cleaned up anymore as they seem to be burn marks from the LED backlight.

@jhorse6968

2 жыл бұрын

How much was it for them to clean it? They came to your place?

@storkshot

2 жыл бұрын

@@jhorse6968 they charged around 3k PHP (60 USD) and it was home service. Someone confident with disassembling electronics could probably do it themselves :)

i had to sell my q80t it had same issue dark lines and spots I've bought sony x9000h it has the same dark lines again and I've disappointed had to replace it with another x9000h surprisingly the new had the same dark line and spots too even worse !then I've realised all tvs with backlighs suffering from this then I've decided to take my new x9000h to a pro repairer he opened the tv and and fixed it all problems were because of a white paper on back of backlight he fixed it by using a regular rolling glue to it to make it more stady and now all dark spots are gone ...

I bought three OLEDs before. Finally getting a good one

Went through two Samsung QN90As because of bad DSE and vertical banding. Moved on to an LG C1 and never looked back.

Many would have had a heart attack after watching the Banding test

Yeah I can attest that returning a tv is no guarantee that you’ll get a better one. My first one had some DSE on one part of the screen… it was kind of like a circle which I actually noticed in some content. I exchanged it and got another one that seem to have a motherboard issue as everything was completely stuttering and literally unwatchable. Luckily Best Buy was gracious enough to send me one last unit and I got a winner but if that didn’t happen I would’ve been stuck with a TV that was completely worthless.

Yeah another tv with another problem samsung crystal series 7 dirty screen effect didn't know until I found your video seems every time I have a tv problem you have the answer around 5 tvs in past 3 years so far also just had a qled replacement we'll see if it lasts thx

@stopthefomo

Жыл бұрын

the only panel technology that is "clean" 9/10 times? QD OLED

LCD well QLED here I have monsters in my household . Have 3 Q90T’s. The kids will leave their TV static while a game downloads in their room. My wife will leave a tv on pause while she either takes business calls or checks emails for work. They do not care nor are conscious of the possibility of burn in. I had a plasma for 12 years. In the 12 the year burn in, and a dead pixel sent it to recycling. I am sure OLEDS are great but they neither last 12 years nor are they burn in proof. I need burn in proof other wise what’s the point

@red5standingby419

2 жыл бұрын

I've been using an LG CX for over a year and half so far as a PC monitor. Have static images on the screen for long periods all of the time. Not a single sign of burn-in yet.

@Sin71879

2 жыл бұрын

@@red5standingby419 anecdotal evidence doesn’t stand up to all the reported TVs that do- just go to LG’s twitters and you will find all the LG CX’s and LG C1’s that do- hell there are literally KZread videos of these TVs with burn in. You’re saying this more to comfort yourself than me. I know they get burn in and that’s an expensive problem when LG refuses to replace the panels that have it. Like my professor would say that statements esoteric and willfully self serving. Now go to Samsungs and tell me how many of those TVs have burn in- the answer is zero and if it did happen they will happily replace your panel because burn in is under warranty. So if burn in isn’t a real concern why do they not warranty against it? I will wait for your response. I have literally seen my wife pause a show for a straight hour while she is on the phone with a client - it’s very dumb to say LG OLEDS can stand up to such use. And you darn well that they cannot handle that kind of static image. And if you’re using it as a PC monitor than you’re using in a way that LG says not to. So even the manufacturer doesn’t suggest you use it that way.

@tyyroque

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sin71879 yep, burn is is a reality with oled. It is not avoidable. Just a matter of time.

@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName

2 жыл бұрын

Damn, not one, not two, but three Sammy Q90Ts. You must be rich.

@mrb0775

2 жыл бұрын

@@tyyroque Nonsense! Burn in with OLED certainly IS avoidable as long as people refrain from doing stupid things like leaving still images on an OLED for long periods of time. One way I avoid the possibility of burn in with our Sony 77" A9G OLED, is to set the TV's sleep timer to turn the unit off right after Blu-rays or 4K BDs end, so that the menu screens that discs return to after movies end, can't stay on the TV for a significant period of time, if I should happen to fall asleep while BDs play. But honestly, in our particular situation, since our OLED is ONLY used for watching movies from our huge collection, in our theater room, that TV is never exposed to dangers like the ever present logos seen on TV channels like CNN. Because for watching TV programs, we use the 80" LCD/LED back-lit TV that's in our living room.

My new stage name when rapping. Ol' Dirty Screen Effect

Samsung qn90c, can see some banding in cemtre veiwing at an angle. Veiwing straight on its not as much. Can only notice it on sports camera panning or panning of blue sky. But it is still faint. Tv picture otherwise is superb. Lovely bright clear tv. Its a 50inch so i didnt pay to much. Sounds very common. You can not see it with general veiwing so i guess that is that.

I notice horizontal lines on my tv.not vertical, is that the same or something else

@DIMIX0ND

Жыл бұрын

мой lg c2 имеет 2 горизонтальны полосы симетричные с низу и с верху. Я думаю это что то за гранью обычного дсе, возможно это особенность сборки иначе с хуя ли они симетричные бы были. Ну их видно ток в тестах по дсе в реале я их не вижу, а что я вижу это 1 вертикальную полосу которая уже бесит и она тоже кстати ровно посередине проходит сквозь прицел в играх. Такая симетричность говорит лишь о том что эти дебилы с lg реально думают что люди это не заметят. а самое ужасное что люди реально не замечают и продолжают жрать эти убогие дорогие телевизоры

Ug7 hisense 75 inch light vertical banding on blue sky, not going to return

Before you throw out your TV due to DSE try this option: I learned from the AV forums you can use a soft cloth and rub the screen in circular motions (gentle pressure) where you see the darker shades areas on your screen. I was told it releases surface tention on the screen and restores the screen. There is a more technical description but I forget. It worked on my 2yr old tv and it looks great again. I'm surprised these KZread experts do not research a little more as it is not necessarily a lost cause like they tend to state. Give it a try before you start shopping for a new tv like I was going to do. Hope this helps some people.

Awesome video but I cant risk burn in and I cant baby sit my TV.

My LG QNED MiniLED has a tiny amount of banding, but it's so faint I'd never mess with returning it.

CCFL TV's almost never had this, and even now these are nearly 15 years old, they still don't have it. Somehow the ageing and brightness variation of white LED's differs hugely from LED to LED, and that seems the root problem. Expect local dimming TV's to be/become even worse at this than edge-lit. OLED has other problems like burn-in and low saturation highlights (color bleach) due to the fact that it is 4 white LED's per pixel. Cheap-ass FullHD CCFL Bravia's from say 2010 remain the benchmark for IQ when showing a Blu Ray as designed. Decent colour, good blacks (more than black enough with a bit of ambient lighting in the room), totally even illumination, proper ul-altered motion in 24/25/30/50/60p and no excessive shapening or frame interpolation.

Artings 😂