For years I have been completely baffled by the loose index finger thing ive seen used so often by amazing drummers.I have never been able to find any lessons or insight into this technique. Here it is explained perfectly and in its entirety. Amazing.Mind blown. Thank you.

@jimmyvillaflor5222

4 жыл бұрын

Yes completely agree. The cone analogy. oh my god. This changed everything. Thanks GORDY!

I want to thank you, I've recently discovered the push pull method. For me you describe this method the clearest way. I am grateful I found you.

@GKMusic54

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I really gravitate toward your videos Mr Knudtson. Being a drummer for many years, I lost my way and in the process, developed bad drumming habits.Thank you for posting your videos and getting me back on track.Starting slow, having patience and building from there IS the way to go. Muscle memory does NOT happen overnight. You gotta really teach muscles to recognize the movement you are asking it to do. If not, they will respond in a not so favorable way at the most inopportune time(every drummer can relate).

Gordy, you are such a great guy. As always, very thoughtful and helpful stuff. Many thanks!

Gordy you’re a born teacher. Thank you for sharing your expertise in a straight forward simple manner. I didn’t have a magic marker but found a four inch paint roller cover (they come in two diameters) which stays in place and softer on the fingers lol. Works perfectly. 67 years old continuing where I left of at a young age and always wished I would of kept with it. Of course I learned thumb and index and pinch it hard. Thanks again!

@leonardbarr6211

6 ай бұрын

PS: I do have an issue with the stick riding either up or down my hand and am a little confused about where exactly to apply pressure when needed. Any tips? Would you give a lesson just on gripping the stick? Thanks

@GKMusic54

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, check out earlier episodes of this series at my KZread channel for more grip info. We could do a ZOOM lesson if necessary. @@leonardbarr6211

Simple, but incredibly powerful innovation, Gordon. Thank you!

Gordy, its great what you are showing! Thank you very much!

This is fantastic - thank you for sharing your ideas on hand technique !!!

Love your lessons, great job!

Very nice to meet you. I feel that I will maybe finally get the mystery out of this technique. I love that you give us several ways to understand the dynamics of this.😀

@GKMusic54

5 ай бұрын

You are welcome!

Thank you so much for sharing your techniques. You have helped my drumming become so much more proficient. I just subscribed. Thanks again!

Sympathetic introduction of new skills to any age range of drummer, nailed it. I’d seen demos of the Bailey throw technique but the pivot wasn’t mentioned. Like many a piece of magic, the reveal can be just as enthralling and fun to learn.

The best explanation I`ve ever seen on this topic

You such a Great Teacher, thank you so much for your Videos!

Great job, Gordy!

Absolutely fantastic. The artificial fulcrum concept I also got from Doug Stronach, scotish pipe band drummer

R Knudstrom i had my eyes closed and i couldnt tell the difference in sound from your singles to your doubles bravo !!!

I’ve been trying to see videos on the push pull technique, this helps and explained very well, thank you for this free content

Now that I'm 50 (!), I've finally figured out the secret to this technique recently. After years of playing like a gorilla (mostly obsessing over prog rock), I've been working on a jazzier feel and playing with a light touch. Because of a certain song that my new band is playing (that requires clean rudiments), I've been really working hard on all my rudiments, making sure that I play relaxed and clean. After a while, I realized that I had relaxed my index finger and was barely holding on to the stick... just a really light grip. It was so exciting! Now, had I seen this video back in 2018 (or learned this 20 years ago), perhaps I wouldn't have had to wait until middle age to make a big leap forward in my ability. My next area of focus is your open/close technique.

Absolutely brilliant! Hand technique kinesiology 101 in less than 10 min.

@MrLioncash

5 жыл бұрын

ergonomics.

Thanks a lot for your videos :-) it's amazing the way you find to make understand physically what is going on. i love it !

MIND BLOWN.

Thank you for a great exercise ! a new favorite channel

@GKMusic54

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dylan!

Excellent....again!

Wow you are a great teacher thanks so much God bless

Wow. That‘s a great tip. Thanks.

this helps me a lot to be a better teacher! thanks so much!

This is great. Thanks so much!

Great stuff, I wish these tips were around when I was beginning in the 1980's. Gordy will go down in history, thanks so much. Gav from Oz

@GKMusic54

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gavin!

wow what a great lesson

Never seen the artificial fulcrum method before. Great lesson.

Awesome! Thank you

thank you a lot Gor !!!! extraordinary simple !!! my best ,success and happiness!!! thank you again Master !!!!

@GKMusic54

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thank you for your videos! I used to be taught be some local drumming teachers how to do basic things and I could never understand why I cannot improve. Using your, rational approach, I've been able to play with more speed, control and I'm relaxed

@GKMusic54

4 жыл бұрын

You are welcome!

Very cool approach to this concept. Steve Smith refers to the back-of-the-hand grip as the "Tony Williams grip" in his Pathways of Motion book.

wow! great material..really usefull and pedagogic

really insightful. Thanks!

Very intersting tips for who as me is learning. I subscribed.

Great info!

You are just the best.

Thank you so much !

Thank you sooo much for these videos - I made it to part 9 and am about start again! There are lots of fine drummers with channels out there but Gordy, for a newbie like me these are far and away the best I’ve seen. Brutal? Not at all… 👏🌹🇦🇺✌️

@GKMusic54

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Markie, I appreciate it!

@joelcarrier2088

2 жыл бұрын

If you are serious about your drumming, you owe it to yourself to take some lessons with Gordy. I did, and the open close technique has really set my hands free. I can feel and hear the difference.

ow my God. That is brilliant

Genius !!!

Thanks Gordy. You are truly a modern day Jim Chapin.....seriously!

@GKMusic54

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Pinching the fulcrum at end finger was what I was taught & it wouldn’t allow power. Bringing it to the back solved that problem.

Great indeed.....

Genius

Ur a genius

I'm an index finger fulcrum player but I see the value of getting the back fingers to do the work. I'm going to experiment with this...

Exelent tks

You are very kind. thanks for this innovative vid. especially the artificial fulcrum is very helpful for my left hand. But I do not know your description about index finger (part 3) is about German grip Or American ? (I believe your hands is nearly close to French grip therefore probably it's American grip )

One of my biggest challenges is getting my students away from the idea that the index finger is the point of fulcrum, but rather the middle finger.... This video is excellent!

@GKMusic54

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Troy! I know it's hard to get guys to loosen up the front of the hand. Check out Part One of this series, it might also be helpful in getting your students' middle and ring fingers involved with the stick. In it I show that the fulcrum is between the thumb and the index, BUT it's the fulcrum of an upside down teeter totter. The middle finger (and ring) is actually riding one end of it while the rebound energy of the drum at the other end. There are a couple other simple machine analogies in this piece as well to hammer home the point. Hope it helps.

@trevormcmanis

5 жыл бұрын

I was just watching some of your other videos when I received your reply. Thank you for taking the time to respond so quickly. Your videos are fantastic! I am sure I speak for all drummers, thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge and experience with us. Best- Troy

Enjoyed the video. Can you tell us what the benefits are using the back of the hand vs. using the index finger and thumb to control the stick?

@GKMusic54

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, more control, more volume, and better energy transfer.

I would not be able to think about it in a thousand years 😅😅😅

isnt this what Tony williams was talking about. He said that he noticed that the best drummers played from the back of the hand. I wasnt sure what he was talking about.Now i understand! Thanks

@GKMusic54

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

Watching him play, control the stix is amazing. His open/close.. man! You go watch his video on open close technique. No I'm serious. Hey I'm serious! Go do it! Damn it do it now! Seriously, he barely has to move he has the stix moving cleanly from the fulcrum with with a great range of motion. I mean yes you know he's moving his hands but with such lil effort its ergonomically beautiful.

Bob Ross of drumming... We're gonna make a happy paper funnel.. play with it see how it feels.... Good good... Haha good job..will try...

Gordy: What are your thoughts on how to use the "HingeStix" drum sticks ? They have a moveable fulcrum pin built into the stick.

@GKMusic54

2 жыл бұрын

I had some. They are OK for teaching a certain thing, but not greatest tool in the box.

Hi Gordy, thanks for this helpfull tips! You have an excellent technique. Most of the time I play traditional grip .. how can i apply this method with this other grip?

@GKMusic54

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. If you are referring to these Grip Tools, they won't work for traditional LH grip. If you are referring to Open/Close technique, it does work for traditional grip. Check out the Raul Valdes Part 2 video at my KZread channel. About half way thru video, in the Backbeat Applications, he demos O/C with trad. grip.

@EstebanTonetti

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gordy, i'm going to watch the video! regards!

Cheers Gordy, great set of videos you have here, thank you for making them available to us. I had a question about the index finger hanging off the stick. At the end of the video you describe putting the index back on while still keeping the grip in the back of the hand. Is there any benefit to putting him back on? As you say, you see many pro drummers with him hanging off. And a massive thank you for the marker pen artificial fulcrum; this has helped me increase my awareness and I will be stealing this idea for my teaching :-)

@GKMusic54

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew, I'm glad you found them useful. Having the index around the stick can be useful on certain occasions, depending on what your are playing, and how loud or soft you have to play it.

@dralnu06

6 жыл бұрын

Cheers Gordy!

Dear Gordy, thanks a lot for your work. It has been a little difficult for me to get the finger strokes right. Lately I've have realized that the problem was the position of the stick on the index finger, it used to be on the first knukle (closer to the nail) but now I have move it to the second knukle and the finger strokes got a lot better. My question: on the index finger the stick is placed right in the middle of the second knukle (between the two bones) or it is slightly above placed between the second and the third knukle?

@GKMusic54

6 жыл бұрын

I think it can work in both places. Location might be determined by tempo and volume. It's really about making sure you have a fulcrum to pivot on, and that your middle finger always remains in contact with the stick. If one way seems to work better for you than another, then do it that way.

@herradurafatal

6 жыл бұрын

Gordy Knudtson Thanks míster

Hello Gordy! Can i use the same technique with Wirebrushes?

@GKMusic54

5 жыл бұрын

Yes

For when the hand is in open position I totally feel the the grip at the back of my hand when going from Open to Close position because the Middle Finger & Ring Finger push up towards the palm. But when going from the Close to Open position, I dont feel the control & the grip I have to kind of slightly tighten up the thumb & Index finger's 3rd Knuckle Pads because when going to open position my ring,middle & pinky go downwards with the stick. Is this the proper way or should I correct it? No matter how slow I do it, I always lose the balance & grip when I try with the back of my hand. Any help?

@GKMusic54

6 жыл бұрын

I believe what you describe is OK, but I'd really have to see it to give you the best answer. Maybe you should do a Skype lesson w/me. Playing from the back of the hand is really about keeping the middle and ring fingers always on the stick. Try doing o/c while pointing the index finger down as I describe at the end of this video. Travel distance is reduced a bit on the open stroke when you keep the pads of both middle and ring fingers on the stick, but this would be o/c played from the back of the hand. O/C from the front would be just using the index finger.

@pranav7374

6 жыл бұрын

Oh yes I did keep the index finger down but I had to go 20-30 BPM slower than usual to get the hang of it. Also, ONLY during the middle strokes in open position, to keep the fluid motion, I kind of bounce the stick up & down by making the thumb & 3rd knuckle index finger pad as the fulcrum & using the 1st knuck ring finger pad to bounce the stick up & down. Meanwhile my elbow is slight pushed outwards when I do that. I know this seems too much effort but the recoil from the stick really makes the middle strokes fluid & easy to execute. Is that the right way though?

@GKMusic54

6 жыл бұрын

I have to see what you are doing. Words do not work well for this. Take a lesson, then I can answer to your question(s).

Love the video, however, aren't you just shifting the fulcrum from the index finger to the middle finger?

@GKMusic54

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes, the middle finger and even the ring finger get involved "teeter tottering" against the rebound. But for me there is a terminology difference - the "fulcrum" is the pivot point of a lever system; rebound and our fingers are the "forces" found on opposite sides of this fulcrum/pivot point. All three points must be real and in balance for this "simple machine" work. Because we feel the stick more with our middle finger when doing this technique correctly, people will mistakingly call this the fulcrum point, but it's really the force point that teeter totters with the rebound. We can get even more leverage the further away we put force from the fulcrum, hence incorporating the ring finger and even pinky as well. Check out part one in this video series for even more info on this at my channel.

@anthonytilli8693

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the explanation. I need to work on this.

Knudtson my bad