I've been driving a 4S for about 10 years now. 153k miles later, the car is still brilliant! I take it on long road trips regularly; a true miracle on the open road. I replaced the airbag suspension after it began failing up in Lake Tahoe a few years back. The PDK was replaced, under warranty, at about 65k miles (that would have cost approx $11k according to the dealer!) I'm now considering a replacement vehicle, but frankly, it will be a very tough act to follow!

@octoman_games

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2013 4s myself with 65k, love this car!

@devinerentalsltd8708

2 жыл бұрын

Have a Turbo with sports crono pack and find it amazing all rounder. Had a Mazza, sounds amazing- junk reliability, not as comfortable or as fast, great sound through.

@thuglifezeem716

2 жыл бұрын

@@devinerentalsltd8708 how is your Porsche holding up ? Any issues ?

@thuglifezeem716

2 жыл бұрын

@@octoman_games how much did the air suspension cost you?

@koolkeiths

2 жыл бұрын

2015 4S No issues in 7 years / 60K. These cars can, and will last as long as you want them to...

Had my Panamera 2011 Turbo for four years. Just brilliant. Superb build quality and super quick. Love it 🙃🦘🇦🇺

@ThatRosco458

2 жыл бұрын

How was reliability? Did you have it from new?

@samthoma2719

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatRosco458 well let’s think, it’s a 2011 and he’s had it 4 years… 🤦‍♂️

@mihailhidler5400

2 жыл бұрын

SEWPERB reliability I bet

@milomanolson9311

2 жыл бұрын

@@samthoma2719 look at you trying to be smart. “Had my panamera” he could have had it for 4 years from new.

@samthoma2719

2 жыл бұрын

@@milomanolson9311 he also says “love it” rather than “loved it” so it’s present tense. So yeah, pretty smart. Nice try though 🤫

I don’t get the distain for the Panamera’s looks. I personally LOVE the teardrop shape that was inspired by the first gen CLS. In all the other categories this thing is a ridiculous deal, as a Turbo S can be had for low 30k’s

@VanishPenguin

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with the overall shape in my eyes. I think most people's issue (including mine) is how fat the back looks in order to increase rear headroom. The latest panamera fixes that issue with a more cohesive, smoother roof line front to back

@SicSemperBeats

2 жыл бұрын

nah I hate the shape (CLS too imo). But I drove on recently and its amazing. A real steal for 4 door guys at the prices they're at.

@t8506

2 жыл бұрын

You can pickup an RS7 or F10 M5 for the same price and they don't look hideous

@SicSemperBeats

2 жыл бұрын

@@t8506 honestly i think the f10 is pretty blah but i agree it and the s7-rs7 look FAR better. M5 is pretty reliable from what I hear too.

@t8506

2 жыл бұрын

@@SicSemperBeats I think the f10's appeal is that its so unassuming and low profile, but anyone that knows their cars knows how much of a beast is

I still think you can use the Panamera to identify people with bad taste. You'd have to be a fool to dislike it. It's elegant, striking. Such a simple shape. I think it will become a beloved classic in a decade or two.

@JayEmmOnCars

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not so sure about that

@thuglifezeem716

2 жыл бұрын

Facts. People that don’t enjoy art don’t enjoy the Panamera

@gracz24PL

9 ай бұрын

@@thuglifezeem716 MY friend had Panamera 4S and it true that people who don't appreciate art don't appreciate Panamera.

@bernardbernabe7733

8 ай бұрын

A decade or two this will be in the junkyard. Low resale value, expensive parts and service, European bad reliability

Just picked up a '14 GTS a few months ago. It's the sort of car for people who can only have a single vehicle - think house with no garage to park your other toys. Depending on which mode you're in, it changes the character of the car quite a bit. Comfort is perfect for long distance highway driving, Sport for normal daily driving, and Sport Plus for any occasion where you want more engagement. The other steering wheel that was available for this car does have the 'normal' down/up paddles and is a pleasure to shift with. The car is heavy, no doubt about it and you can feel it every time during spirited driving. But very few other cars allows me to have so much fun with myself, wife, two kids and 2 dogs in the hatch at the same time. Would buy again.

I really never thought they looked bad

I own a 2013 Panamera 4S, V8 naturally aspirated. It’s faster than some new Caymans and the new Lotus. Fast around curves. Comfortably seats 4 people and the back seats go down for hauling things, I’ve transported a Fender Rhodes Piano Suitcase with the large double amp.

Had my diesel panamera for 18 months now. Great car. 2014 facelift so prettier bum. Driving position is superb - nicer than my 997 turbo! 54 mpg down motorway to NEC classic car show yesterday. I’ve had to replace coolant system plastic parts in V of the V6 block, and all 4 coil springs as 3 snapped on terrible British roads. Also had to re-seal leaking oil sump. Diesel sounds great & it’s such a lovely motorway cruiser and pretty nice on bends too. Steel springs & PASM work great together. Front & rear parking sensors help with the size. My 6’3” son can sit in back with great leg room to spare. When parking, just park it close to passenger door of neighbouring car and it fits fine in any space. No plans to sell it. It’s RWD so I run it on winter tyres in the cold months & have fast fit Konig snow chains in the boot for big snow dumps. Off we go! One happy owner 😍 P.S. and diesel has Tiptronic S - lovely gearbox & trouble-free

Oh god help me! Every time I see one of these, I want one. Middle age has come and gone for me, so, this is probably me heading into an old age crisis and I will spend the afternoon going to my local Porsche garage.

@rumrnr78

2 жыл бұрын

Turned my 996 Carrera into a daily driver- makes me smile every morning!

@Beer_Dad1975

2 жыл бұрын

Might as well enjoy it whilst you can. I'm still in middle age, but there will be a time in the next few decades where I might not be able to drive anymore - and in anycase our hobby is becoming ever more un-pc so they might even ban such things as the weekend morning drive in coming years.

@HojaFPS

Ай бұрын

Im 24 and i ll get one, it doesnt have anything to do with age haha

While I love the styling of all years of Panamera, it illustrates much of the over "engineering" that ruins most new cars. Sadly this design philosophy of making everything too complex is creeping into new motorcycles too.

Thanks for making this informative and helpful video

There was the option to have the proper flappy paddles on the steering wheel on this car but that comes at a cost of having no functions on the steering wheel e.g no heated steering wheel, volume and phone controls etc

@TheMusicFan1297

2 жыл бұрын

Instead you get another stalk below the wipers stalk with all the steering wheel functions though.

@UMNRZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMusicFan1297 oh I didn't know that

I really enjoy your content keep up the good work

I have to drive one myself and floor it on our German Autobahns. I image it to be the perfect Autobahn stormer. Glad you could test one Jason!

love the Point of interest graphic. Love it!

Great review! I had a panamera turbo 2 years ago then got rid of it due to relocation, now after driving majority of the amg and M cars, in jumping into another panamera turbo. For those that have this car two things to do. 1) change the plenum and 2) run a stage 1 tune..itll open up the car and it will beat/keep up with most exotics out there

Been waiting for this video for so long! Awesome work James 😁👍🏽 Considering the face-lift GTS variant 😍

@Mark-iz1uh

2 жыл бұрын

I bought one. Its practical, powerful and a head turner.

Had my 2010 Panamera Turbo for two years and am convinced that this is the cheapest supercar in the world. I think this review held the Panamera to a 2021 standard in many regards such as flashy colors, gearbox speed, etc. For me, that's really telling about just how good this 2010 is... Also, long after the Maserati has been split up for spare parts, this Panamera will be someone's daily driver.

@thuglifezeem716

2 жыл бұрын

I want a 2010 today ! I see one for 52k with only 20k on it

Love the “must seat adults in rear” - how often do we ever take adults anywhere in the rear of our cars? Kids? Yeah, all the time. Adults? Half a dozen times a year tops?

@mihailhidler5400

2 жыл бұрын

If you drive that car, you won't be having too many friends. Right on that one.

@sterlingsilver320

2 жыл бұрын

It’s the same as buying a pick-up truck for the two times a year that you go to the hardware store. Or buying a lifted Jeep because you like the idea of off-roading but will never actually do it. People need to be more honest with themselves.

@prickowens9341

2 жыл бұрын

Its a executive saloon its basicly made to drive ceo’s from one part of germany to the next in comfort speed and style what luxury big saloon shouldnt be able to fit 4 adults

Great review. I’ve seen a few with the fixed GTS spoiler (correct me if i’m wrong) and it aged so well in my opinion.

@veryberry-

2 жыл бұрын

The GTS has the same active split wing type as in this video. Perhaps the ones you saw the owner just left the spoiler deployed at all times even when parked for bonus 'style' points ;)

Great review, I recently bought a 4S with the V8 and have been loving it as it can fit me and my family in absolute comfort as well as being pretty quick

@EvoraGT430

2 жыл бұрын

Word of warning though, these are not ageing well. My Turbo was excellent and faultless for 3 years but then had a litany of faults all at once, including almost-destroyed gearbox due to oil-cooler failure (no low-level sensor) that was only saved by a failing immobiliser!

@timeyinsholaye9169

2 жыл бұрын

@@EvoraGT430 I got a 2015 which was the refresh with a v6 4s. Hope no issues with them?

@Beer_Dad1975

2 жыл бұрын

@@timeyinsholaye9169 Time will tell, but unfortunately it seems as time goes on, more and more of VAG's beancounter engineering is seeping into Porsche.

The looks have grown on me over the years

@jusssy5078

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I love his shirts, too!!

Point of interest was a nice touch and thanks for leaving it up long enough to read!

Love my 2013 Panamera Diesel..I bought it to impress myself not others.

@christiansilvertonphotographer

2 жыл бұрын

Great cars...and virtually 50mpg= bonus

Got a new Panamera 4S Turismo as a loaner when my Porsche went in for a service. As a wafter it was amazing. Enjoyed the 2 days I had it but wasn’t sad to give it back

I have a 2014 same car, it’s amazing. Love it.

When the car came out, i didn't liked it, but over the years i got used to it and now would it even consider. The only Porsche suv I would buy is the Macan as it is very well proportioned, its bigger brother looks like something related to the elephant man, nothing looks right.

My currently most likely choice for the first car in 15 years is a Jaguar XF Sportbrake. The new one seems good. But I happen to like the looks of the old Panamera. Curious how running costs would compare.

Oddball looks? No one thinks this except youtubers. Everyone else who owns or observes these cars thinks they look gorgeous. Once you drive one, you fall in love.

I prefer the 1st gen rather than the newer one. I may be the only one on hearth

@Jennifer-7jays

2 жыл бұрын

Me to...I own a 2010 4s had about a year. Just got the windows tinted and I love it!

Amazing review Jay, one of the most hardworking automotive KZreadr!

@JayEmmOnCars

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

My 2011 Panamera Turbo in sport plus with the exhaust valves open is very exciting car. No it doesn’t have the road feel of a 911. But being as wide as a Range Rover and as long as a pick up truck it’s surprisingly capable. I always leave the wing up. When it cycles it sounds like it’s eventually going to fail. Only 5k miles in 2 years a very reliable car.

@Sylique

5 ай бұрын

How can you call a car reliable only driving it 5k miles in 2 years lol

Had a 4S for a year. Great car but living. In North West London parking was a problem so it went. But I do miss it at times.

Good review, But I take issue with your opinion of the fuel consumpion, my Panamera also a turbo does 32mpg at motorway speeds, 28mpg country roads driven briskly and around 18mpg in the town. I also have a Cayenne Turbo S which does 21mpg motorway speeds and around 13.5 mpg town driving.

Love my 2010 Panamera Turbo

Just bought a 2015 Turbo S in all black. We love this car. It is not ugly!! I've already had several compliments on its looks...

Great video, as ever, but maybe a bit harsh on the Panamera. I’ve got a 2011 Panamera Turbo as my daily. As you say, it’s a big car. But as long as you don’t try to park it in tiny car parks, it’s fine in town and on country roads. It’s incredibly practical - the boot may be the same size as the Quattroporte, but as a hatchback with folding seats, it’s almost as useable as an SUV. I take our dogs in it, put bikes in it, whatever. And the handling is very sensitive to PASM settings, in comfort, it waddles, in sport, it hustles. But if you want to really drive it, it needs to be in sport plus, it’s really transformed. I also think it’s very sensitive to colour choice. Mine is metallic blue with white leather (and has a sunroof). Maybe I’ve just squinted, but in that colour combination, I think the outside has real presence and the inside feels very special. But yes, it is a 2 tonne car and isn’t as fun as my fun car. The steering isn’t 911 sharp. The exhaust isn’t Ferrari loud. But, I’m going to replace it soon and I’m seriously thinking about another.

@Beer_Dad1975

2 жыл бұрын

I dunno, there is something fun about chucking a 2000kg family vehicle up a winding hill as fast as you dare (when the family isn't in the car anyway)

@soondraappavoo

2 жыл бұрын

@@Beer_Dad1975 and when you do, it’s mental

@00ninja00

2 жыл бұрын

How’s the reliability of your 2011? I’m thinking about buying a 2012 turbo S with 74k miles. Avoid, or ok??

Nice to see Mr Tumble getting into motoring journalism

2022 and still having my 2010 turbo with 11.500 mileage only. exactly same spec as in the video. taking care this beast reall goodd

Yes, maybe nicer buttons and switches compared to the Maserati, but a boring experience to drive in comparison to the Maserati. If you care about cars rather than about switches,buttons and the LCD dispay which will look like 1980ies by tomorrow's standards, get the Maserati which will become a collectible. I owned both.

@rafibalouzian9951

2 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely right. I own a 2011 auto Granturismo s and 2005 Quattroporte robotic manual. The Quattroporte is such an intense driving experience when you drive manual only and shift smoothly buy manipulating the throttle inputs. Both timeless instant modern classics.

@t8506

2 жыл бұрын

Maseratis are hideous

I've got a Panamera T in very similar spec to this one, I have the much lighter interior mind so it's fine in the back. The review is pretty much spot on. It's my daily driver, and in the 5 years i've owned it I have done nearly 60,000miles in it. Trips to the Alps, Cornwall or pottering around a city, it can do it all. I love the fact that it's a rocket ship when you want it to be but also that I can put my 2 dogs in the boot with my grandchildren in the rear seats too. It's a car for all purposes, it'll average c.28mpg on a long easy run, is cheap'ish to insure and run and has that Porsche quality that other manafacturers only wish they could match. A bit boring maybe, but put it in Sport mode with the box in manual and it's a blast. It's been reliable in the main, but yes it did have a cooling hose issue and the oil pressure gauge does have a mind of it's own. Easy fixes and not expensive. You will either hate the looks, or not mind them. I am yet to find anyone who loves the looks of these cars. For me however, it does everything that I want it to do, so much in fact that I am really struggling to find an alternative car to upgrade to. 😃 I've been that undecided I've opted to keep it for the long term.

@JayEmmOnCars

2 жыл бұрын

I would say the Jag XJ is the only real rival

@absogirl007

2 жыл бұрын

@@JayEmmOnCars I’ll keep the Panamera over the Jag. Never been a fan of Jaguars. I’m on the look out for an impractical sports car to go along with the Panamera. Something with a bit of drama about it. Keep it for 3-4 yrs then consider Electrification after then

Bought an early turbo a while back , very light interior, jade green paint, makes a huge difference to the overall look. Have been tuning it for the past year, now pushing over 600bhp. Fantastic thing , small faults so far , coil packs, which are less than £40 each, spoiler stopped working , but a strip down fixed that . Mine has pccb which are amazing but I wouldn’t want to replace them !

@00ninja00

2 жыл бұрын

Would you say this is a pretyy rtt reliable vehicle? Locally there’s one at great price, turbo S, with 74k miles. Wonder how reliable it is?

@stevethomson9069

2 жыл бұрын

@@00ninja00 overall , yes , I’d get an inspection carried out though , budget for preventative maintenance too. I have been going through mine over the past couple of years though . Some parts are Porsche only , so go in with your eyes open . Rennlist / 6speedonline are great forums too 👍👍

Beautiful looking car and a feat of engineering.

The latest pana looks so much nicer and wonder if we can get a review on that? Ty

A sterling review from Jay, proper job!

Nice video, the exhaust sounded like my Bentley v8s . I want to love these panamera’s , there is just something about about them I cant put my finger on that turns me off them.

That deep base bellow of the exhaust is the true sound of a V8

Jay, i recently purchased a 2015 gts v8 4.8l and i have to say the sports plus option tightens the dampers which reduces the body roll next to zero, car is lowered 2cm, sports exhaust opens up to an F1 sounding symphony of screams and crackles so most of your issues are dealt with. I would recommend driving a 2014 + model year gts or turbo as I promise you will have a lot of fun.

@benpenagonzales6014

8 ай бұрын

2014 was a facelift and more accurately, bootlift? Rear looks sturdier

@Mark-iz1uh

8 ай бұрын

thats right. i purchased the MY15 (facelift). Great car no issues when purchased at 33,000 kms. the only thing that needed work was the air suspension compressor at 65,000kkms but covered under porsche insurance otherwise $8,000 AUD -.- @@benpenagonzales6014

I got a 2013 4 with the pdk and no problems since 2015 just regular stuff and even if the motor blows up I'll fix it myself for pennies just how I did for my s600 🙆‍♂️

I looked at a Turbo S of a More Recent vintage last Year. It was built like a Tank. Savage Acceleration. Amazing Ride Quality (I liked it anyway). Plush interior. As J said it’s a big Lump & felt it on the road. Took some positioning down the twisters. It felt like it would be still barrelling along in another 20 years (that’s as long as you’re not executed live on a pay-per-view Chanel for Driving a petrol V8 performance car). Left field choice, I didn’t buy it though.

I love how this looks and drives.

I have a 2013 Turbo and your assessment is on point. I hate the ride over bumps, road imperfections. Handles good but not great. Pulls very strong stock but I have a FVD tune for an extra 90 hp.

@lebrosca

Жыл бұрын

Do you have PDCC ?

@jruerph

Жыл бұрын

@@lebrosca Nope, I hear it's a "must have" for any Porsche tho.

I like the early Panameras and the late cars too. But I did drive Saabs for a long time too. In Australia they have not lost value and the gearbox is the only issue that seems to be a problem. IN Australia we have a "fit for purpose" warranty that is stronger than the manufacturer warranty that is effective up to 10 years. There has been some very interesting court cases about faults that have been very expensive for dealers and manufacturers. Landrover ended up with a $500,000 bill.

@markmcgrath9098

7 ай бұрын

Also downunder here, is the LR court case you mention to do with the disco 4 diesels breaking cranks?

In my country most Porsches running on the street are either Panamera or the SUVs.

@tavirosu25

2 жыл бұрын

Slav represented. And they all are in bad mechanical state and high millage. It's a bad car to buy and own because of that. I'd rather take an A6 estate over it.

@sonang7721

2 жыл бұрын

@@tavirosu25 Well aren't most used luxury vehicles like that on the market? They depreciate very quickly except for the Lexus ones.

@tavirosu25

2 жыл бұрын

@@sonang7721 Depreciate yes, but some models usually have lower millage. Like a fully loaded turbo Panamera was equal to an RS6 price, but RS6 for example are rarer and with lower millage.

@EvoraGT430

2 жыл бұрын

Well Porsche make more SUVs than anything else, so......

@sonang7721

2 жыл бұрын

@@EvoraGT430 I always thought Porsche prioritized in Cayman/Boxter/911 instead of Mid-sized SUVs and sedans.

You could get a paddle option, but lost the accessory buttons on the wheel, so most people got this wheel with the awkward shift setup. HOWEVER, a couple of firms in the aftermarket offer paddle kits that can be fitted to wheels like this, retaining the accessory buttons.

James, I so wish I had ignored the legal warnings and given you my 970 for a review. But as I didn’t, here are some facts about the 970. The hybrids drop oil into the sump. They are designed to do this. That is partly why the oil sensor is so important. This was yet another recall. One recall was to fix a ‘thermal issue’ with the air con. It was actually a fire risk, and required immediate attention. When the hybrid system pack up, it will throw all manner of power steering and ABS issues which will confuse the dealers for months. And months. It will rust at six years old and Porsche will tell you to FO. Mine did. They throw out their wheel bearings at 60k miles. The radiators split. Coils go on the V6 motors. Switch packs packed up. Over three years, mine generated £25k of warranty claims. The air suspension on mine over 3 years and 40k miles was fine. And the PCM too. And the transmission. But dealing with Porsche was way too painful.

I love the way you speak and the verbiage!

I traded in my aging 911 for this car and I absolutely LOVE IT! I couldn't be happier!.

Dear James, didn't you get it wrong? You CAN change gears up and down with one hand on the steering wheel: you press once with the thumb and it goes up, you press once from behind and it goes down a gear. It's as comfortable as with McLarens, although less appealing (no rocker). Sorry if I didn't understand what you tried to get across. Cheers from Italy.

@JayEmmOnCars

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is both sides go the same way - to me pulling the right side should change up, not down

@BubuBarong

2 жыл бұрын

@@JayEmmOnCars all right, so you meant "you can't change up and down one handed LIKE IN A MCLAREN". Okay, got it, thanks. BTW after a few years with that very switches on a 981S, you get used to them. They're not as good looking as the sportier ones but they are not bad at all. The + and - on the gear lever, though... That's utter nonsense. Cheers!

@rajjy1976

2 жыл бұрын

@@JayEmmOnCars Moot point. Flicking forward (as you do in a McLaren) isn’t a regular thing either coz no one else does it.

I seriously considered one of this vintage but opted for a Cayenne. In this guise it may have AWD but poke a Cayenne (particularly one with the 2spd t'fer case and air-sus) up a rutted track and you'll smile at its adaptability and then its sheer ability. Not a Landcruiser but oh so capable for a car that can be flicked into sport mode and do a really good job on a winding piece of bitumen. A true Swiss army knife.

@jamesengland7461

2 жыл бұрын

That's some smooth wordsmithing!

I've never had a problem with the first Panameras looks, I really prefer it to the new "WWAOW LOOK HOW FUTURIZTICX THIS IS" panameras.

@VanishPenguin

2 жыл бұрын

You're bugging

@robertgudd7196

2 жыл бұрын

I think the new panameras have vastly improved aesthetics. The rear end of the originals is a travesty imo. Whereas the new ones have much improved roof lines and tail light set ups.

@Christian---

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertgudd7196 The roofline is the only point that is comparable or better, however the light design and extremely angular bodies throughout the entirity of VAG is very cold and sterile. Extremely machinelike, meaning like a computer. It's like an army of drones.

@robertgudd7196

2 жыл бұрын

@@Christian--- fair play, I dont think VAG have ever tried not to be cold and sterile with the exception of a few cars. I completely get what you're saying though but I'm on the other side. I love the futuristic look of the new porsche cars. The Taycan and the Panamera really do it for me

@Christian---

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertgudd7196 The whole futurism thing is just on the money though. At this point you'd be the rebel making waves if you were to design a car that realises you know what? Things in the past have been alright, one might even say the past is *good* so much so we don't actually have to fight what we used to be tooth and nail. It's not for nothing that 90's JDM is going up the wazoo in prices, the markets do not lie.

Super, smashing great!

You would have loved a Milltek Exhaust and anti-roll bars on the Lexus SC 430...

@Fee.1

2 жыл бұрын

Mehhhhhhhhh too Milquetoast

3.6 rwd I reckon would be useful. Lighter, simpler but darn nice to drive.

Please get an M6 GC for testing! 🙏 I feel your review would be very similar with some notable exceptions). Much better looking for example (IMO). Ultimately it didn't suit me - the fact I chopped it in for a caterham should tell you a lot! I would love to hear how you compare it. I think it's often forgotten.

@t8506

2 жыл бұрын

+1

I like the looks, it’s aged well like an original 6 series(revived)

I considered the Maserati but got the panamera turbo. Got a racechip, so I'll see what that does to it.🤪 You didn't press sport plus. Even if you just press the sport plus suspension settings it changes the whole feel. Oh, and thanks, now I need a milltek 😊

@gracz24PL

9 ай бұрын

I don't know what car to go for XJ-R x350 Panamera I or 2008 Quatroporte. I'm looking mainly for comfort and elegance.

@mountpleasants

9 ай бұрын

@@gracz24PL the Jag is beautiful as is the Maserati, much more so than the panamera. The panamera has presence though, walking up to it when parked in the city, it's looks great. The panamera has a big boot and is big enough for a family in comfort. Still driving mine, love it.

The 970.2 turbo s is an animal with 570 bhp and 800nm torque carbon ceramics active anti roll and pure comfort with a top speed of 193mph. it ticks all the boxes with some of the flaws from the 970.1 corrected

I remember driving a e60 530d with a similar steering wheel gear change set up. It was very irritating

2 guys w P Turbos dumped them for other sedans in less than 90 days. Very heavy cars. GTS model stock sounds great. Panamera techs I spoke with say base V6 was notably less problematic than V8, and later V6 twin turbo generally garnered comments re effective but not as much fun as V8. Light colored interiors in Panamera look stellar. Sometimes I see color combos and a small permanent wing that somehow make the car more attractive. I could handle old tiptronic auto shift buttons but the thumb buttons (vs optional paddles) in PDK really require some mental adjustment to use.

Yes, I have a 2012 panamera Turbo and I love it now. My PDK transmission. They're gonna do everything for 12000 that's with the warranty. No warranty would not replace a brand new one. That's 18000 but it's all good. As long as the warranty is doing their job. And I'm not complaining. I also have the Cayenne Turbo s. Having had one problem with it at all. Amazing cars now is time for a cayman or a 911 trying to get the Is triple threat

I'd be terrified of one of these going wrong... a GTS though.....

Never understood why so many people hate this porshe looks.. for me its really nice and expensive looking…

I've drive the 3.6 and thought it was awesome! Felt like it was hardly a Porsche though haha! Now I'm looking at buying the Turbo S but can't find any info! All I can find is the standard Turbo

Had 4 panameras so far..hybrid, turbo and gen1 gts and theb gen2 gts. From all of them the gts does it for me. Made it straight pipe almost so it's sounds better then most ferrari's😅

@jon9586

Жыл бұрын

Im looking at a gen 1 turbo, any thoughts? How was the reliability on yours?

Love to see your review of a 971

@timothyfindlay6253

2 жыл бұрын

Just found the link here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ao6gpI-Mia20lNI.html

Still looks like a modern Austin Maxi.

@jetyn8

2 жыл бұрын

ROVER 3500

@simonstyles4536

2 жыл бұрын

Ha ha hilarious bro

@christiansilvertonphotographer

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong ...my father brought an Austin maxi home and this Porsche is a beautiful car with some great lines. especially from the front and front side looking back

@Awsomeisimo

2 жыл бұрын

That car does not play baseball Edit: Read that as "Austin Martin"

I also only like my Porsches with 2 doors, but that thing makes a tremendous noise 😁

Smashing. Super. Great.

I love my 2016 panamera 4 edition

I also do NOT find this ugly at all, the rear is practical and flows Smoothly. It is BETTER than a Ferrari with aspacious back seats you reviewed in another video.

Looks Good, Sounds Good

Mine is white and I have different rims, mine everyone loves. Mine has no problems getting down the road. Maybe I need some bushings in the front and I could be a problem with manholes

Jay can you do the 3.0 diesel without air suspension very different proposition

An upcoming Noble review then?

I've been waiting a long time for another direct QP/Panamera comparison since 'that' 2010 Top Gear Episode... I also chose the less reliable, less well-built and slower QP GT S and this review re-affirms all of my prejudices against the elephant man techno-saloon.

I like that it invites people into the brand, but nobody brings one to Porsche meets

Said before, have a 2008 Maserati QP GTS, the most beguiling vehicle I’ve driven, it is down on torque but 90% you don’t notice, it is crap with gadgets (and mine has the earlier infotainment system with Zx spectrum graphics) but the fit,ent of a small module allows Bluetooth and waze to work adequately, and the ride and handling do go off at 10/10ths but 7/10ths is fun, I am really struggling to find a suitable replacement

@robertgudd7196

2 жыл бұрын

X358 XJR maybe? Depends how badly you need those extra doors. I find a lot of german cars vastly too executive and a bit dull. A newer maser could be the job. If Sport Luxury Saloon is the category you're looking for you've got a few options for sure

@robertgudd7196

2 жыл бұрын

XJR, Rapide, Continental could fit the description if you're into your english rides. M5, 7 series, A7-RS7, Panamera for the germans. Quattroporte obvs, Ferrari FF, Giulia for the Italians. Depends on your budget and your imagination

its a wildly mechanical disaster, air suspension, water in heater before we even mention engine failure

@EvoraGT430

2 жыл бұрын

My Turbo was excellent and faultless for 3 years but then had a litany of faults all at once, including almost-destroyed gearbox due to oil-cooler failure (no low-level sensor) that was only saved by a failing immobiliser!

I'm in the market for one of these now, I also have a 911 and Cayenne GTS 4.8. The only way to buy these cars is under Porsche warranty (up to 15 years in my market) Maybe that Turbo your driving is broken? I can't see how it's been received so poorly.

Great car, looks are subjective, for me the facelift is OK but the first gen car wouldn't be for me. Don't like the way it sounds or the potential ruinous running costs. I would have your QP over this as it ticks more boxes for me but an F10 M5 or an E63 would be my German choice.

I would go for the facelifted diesel. Lovely grand tourer without the notchy pdk transmission.

@scotdoc

2 жыл бұрын

See my post. Agree with you!

A dealer I know told me recently he was stung by an early Panamera like this which he had on his books. It cost him £17k to replace the gearbox. I imagine that will go up every year… The big perceptual issue with the Panamera which is really only touched on in this review is that it exists entirely in relation to the 911. People buy one because they always wanted an 911 but need family capacity; they look bad because they look like stretched out 911s; people expect sports car performance and feel, but don’t really get it. I think if you’d never seen a 911, the Panamera would look fairly good. However, they’ve always been so much in the 911 shadow they don’t really have their own identity - something Porsche seem to have solved with the Taycan.

@thuglifezeem716

2 жыл бұрын

Warranty.

@tfrowland

2 жыл бұрын

@@thuglifezeem716 I haven’t heard of a warranty that would cover a single repair of £17k. Usually it’s about £5k limit

These are the best looking Panameras imo!!! They can be had for a smoking deal... just buy it from the actual owner with detailed service records!!!

@mihailhidler5400

2 жыл бұрын

Best looking Panamera Lol

I always liked this gen Pan, a red GTS please.....

Sounds like a sewing machine and a vacuum cleaner had a child...awful. Great review. The local word is the cost of running this is mind blowing.

ohhh yes!! my favourite car!!!

Like this Car allot

I think it is, in fact, very pretty, and I drive a BMW 128i, which I think is GORGEOUS.

You just need to review the Aston Martin Rapide and you've reviewed all the cars from the top gear episode that put it against this and the Maserati.

@JayEmmOnCars

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, got plans for that