I think that was bad form to declare oneself out, but then to undermine another Dragon's offer.

@MrMongoose221

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Steven always comes across bit of a knob especially to Touker for some reason

@Greg_lark

Жыл бұрын

He was just speaking the truth. And didn’t want to see her taken advantage of.

@MrZeldion

Жыл бұрын

@@MrMongoose221 They don't get on, because Touka always demands such a high amount of equity and Steve is the only one that calls him out on it. I can imagine being so inspired by someone and would hate to watch that person give it all away when i can atleast say something

@thedappercook

Жыл бұрын

It's the truth though. Business is ruthless, only the strongest survive.

Here we go again: We need more women here, here, here… everywhere! How about underwater pipeline welding? Mining? Waste disposal!?

Why would you want BOOKS in an all-gender-inclusive education system to be gender-exclusive? Why are you cutting off a part of the market? As a parent of children of both genders (girls and boys) or boys only,, I would be very offended at being asked to buy an English book for my girls and not my boys...very divisive, Deborah was spot on!

@informationyes

Жыл бұрын

Yep she making an issue when their isn't one

@celestinetoussaint6350

Жыл бұрын

LMFAO

@kevintwine2315

Жыл бұрын

Because sexism and exclusion is ok (as long as it’s women doing it)

@auroaxz3564

Жыл бұрын

Feminist

@jasondewhurst7054

Жыл бұрын

not all books cater to the whole audience and dont suffer for it, I dont really think its an issue narowing the audience...deborah is missing the point a bit here

Deborah has made an excellent point about this concept being divisive.

Omg Tuker's weird facial expressions!!!! I can't even 😂😂😂

@Adam.3.6.9

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

Is it not ironic that the women were the ones literally putting her down while the men were rather supportive? To think she was doing this for women!

@kappri85

Жыл бұрын

such a paradox lol

@informationyes

Жыл бұрын

Because they are also individuals

@celestinetoussaint6350

Жыл бұрын

I figured it would happen like that, Deborah has a history of doing this. The guys are usually pretty chill and understanding

@AlisonWonderland999

Жыл бұрын

It depends how you look at it. It would be better to get women authors read more widely by men.

@kevintwine2315

Жыл бұрын

Because the men didn’t see through the sexist nonsense.

Totally agree with Debra, stop this divide

i wonder how i would be recievied if i started a boys only book club ?

@gilessteve

Жыл бұрын

That would be sexist.

@celestinetoussaint6350

Жыл бұрын

Your rhetoric makes no sense. There are plenty of brands that are catered towards men, we dont care.

@inis5472

Жыл бұрын

@@celestinetoussaint6350 but u do, thats why u commented on this

@HIOP0

Жыл бұрын

YOUR "COMMAND" OF WRITTEN ENGLISH, IS ONLY THE FIRST HURDLE YOU'LL HAVE TO OVERCOME, BEFORE YOU EVEN GET STARTED.

I’ve watched a few of the recent ones and man Stephen hates touker.

@Tim_3100

Жыл бұрын

Yup he does because i think stephen is threatened by him because touker is a very wealthy indivual way more than stephen.

I will never understand how entrepreneurs can often not state basic financial facts about their business without hesitation or confusion or mistakes.

@AJnzxv1

Жыл бұрын

It's amazing what nerves & panic can do, you just blank. It does seem crazy though not remembering the main figures.

@Smellindamix

Жыл бұрын

True, but then again have you done it?

Steven been a complete arse here, thought 30% was pretty reasonable especially as he said he couldn't see a return on the percentage offered

@Mossyz.

Жыл бұрын

Good point .

@jg6159

Жыл бұрын

he is a complete arse....he's rude and arrogant and doesn't need to interfere with another dragons pitch...they should get rid of him he's wirthless

@sadikmeah4057

Жыл бұрын

He's always an arse

@3001chancer

Жыл бұрын

If he took 30%...remember there is 200k in the bank. So instantly he owns 30% of that. Which is 60k... so he's buying 60k cash and 30% of returns in future, for 50k... it was a terrible deal for her.

@swisspunker94

Жыл бұрын

steven does this all the time and I think its very bad manner. They are all grown ups in there and its the enterpreneurs decision to make.

Haha Steven is wearing the scrunchie on his wrist 🤗

She seems sharper than the panel!

I think we all knew that Touka was going to ask for 30 percent ! 😊

Business was to support women author by selling it to only women ( as she cleared ignored Sarah and Debra's suggestion to make it for every one), Interesting that she was counter offering T.S so probably was ok for male investor despite it was all about women :).

Sigh...Mr Steven Bartlett always seems to be so harsh and/or condescending towards Mr Touker Suleyman. I half expected him to say, "OK boomer" 😥Poor Mr Touker.

Ladies only, but us men want 🍻🍺🍸🥃

Put in good books from good writers from either sex that appeal to both boys and girls.

So good that Debra knows what a woman is unlike Keir Starmer

Lets all campaign for equal rights for women by creating a business that excludes all men. Yeah, that logic definitely makes sense! 🤦‍♂️

Sara said it exactly.

There's nothing wrong with having a business that speaks to one sex and not another, Its about girl power so how can she direct it to a male audience. I'm sure whoever makes Barbie isn't getting the same heat.

I love the fact that no one knows how to spell Touker’s name. Maybe that’s the issue as if you secure a deal you’d want to message your family and friends saying “I’ve just secured a deal with” then one of the 5 I’ve seen would appear. I’d love him to be my dragon though. Along with Tej.

It's not that they don't agree with her, it's the fact she's instantly lost 50% of the book reading market, It's not a campaign it's a business.

@zeebee6

Жыл бұрын

She hasn't, because 75% of the book reading market is women, apparently.

@shaunohagan1491

Жыл бұрын

@@zeebee6 so.... 75% of 50% of people then

@guggen8236

Жыл бұрын

@@shaunohagan1491 I see what you are getting at and I agree that it is silly to no promote those books to boys. On the contrary, if the idea is to promote female authors and be a "feminist" company, the appeal should be to get boys to read books written by women. Your maths however are wrong. If the ( current ) book market is 100 percent and the female audience is 75 percent then her market reach is 75 percent. Not 75 percent of 50 percent :)

@HIOP0

Жыл бұрын

NOT EVERY BUSINESS HAS TO APPEAL OR BE AVAILABLE TO BOTH GENDERS, OR TAKE THE MAKERS OF FEMININE PRODUCTS TO COURT FOR DISCRIMINATION, YOU 1D10T.

@zeebee6

Жыл бұрын

​@@shaunohagan1491 She stated that 75% of book buyers are women, so she's 'losing' the 25% that she's not targeting. It's not 75% of 50% of anything lol. The percentages relate to the 'book buying market' not the population.

Touker is a lycanthrope, not a lot of people realize that.

@McSynth

Жыл бұрын

You might want to lay off your intake until your brain returns to whatever is normal for you.

@Shrooms-up6sv

Жыл бұрын

@@McSynth I have hard evidence that he is indeed a Lycanthrope, I am perfectly sane!

The company had 200k in the bank so investing even 50k at 25% would be free equity. I don’t see the risk!

As a man, this product needs to exist...and exclude men. Now if they want to launch a separate male centric version, cool. But they got a good product that's on-target.

She is conflating two things here that are not connected... The GCSE reading list and the bookshelf. Is her mission to change the books for GCSE, or change the number of female writers on the bookshelf, because they are not the same thing. She should have told us how many writers on the BOOKSHELF are by women, because in the US (as an example) 51% of authors are women. Her business does nothing at all to challenge the GCSE side. I don't get the 'inequality' that she is attempting to address here at all. Womens writing is not in trouble in any sense. One might think it's just a cynical virtue signal to sell product? As an aside, I can say that i have never chosen a book on the gender of the author. I just read good books. It seems odd to me to lose out on so many great reads by filtering out an entire gender of author. I have been inspired by many women, why can women not be inspired by men? It's very weird.

What? Deborah and Sara makes no sense here to me. MANY successful brands targets only men or women, and it’s still a big market. Her business idea and reason behind it makes complete sense for me. She can just extend it later to include boys?

@Videotubelord

Жыл бұрын

According to her 75% of women buy these "men" books, yet men buy them too. Her feminist idea is to get only that 75% of women and exclude men. It's not businesswoman targeting females, it's feminist targeting females.

@LiamSmith-ds1kn

Жыл бұрын

She can, but it seems counterintuitive to exclude them from the beginning. Businesses that target just men or women might be something like beard trimmers for men, or makeup for women. But books aren't a market that needs splitting, it doesn't make sense why you would do that

@celestinetoussaint6350

Жыл бұрын

I know! There's been guys who have came on to show marketing shaving products to men even though women shave too, do you think I cared tho? No Of course not. There's nothing wrong with a business catered to one gender, she's not missing alot lol

@Videotubelord

Жыл бұрын

@@celestinetoussaint6350 Shaving products for men smell different plus other things that women would not use and vice versa. Books are not gender specific anyhow. Making it gender specific is cutting big chunk of your market. This is not business decision. It's prime example of western feminism, where they fight for female equality where equality exist already.

@anumashraf7941

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree with deborah and. Sara.u cant exclude men from tht market.

If it was for men only, everyone would be claiming sexism, maybe the books in schools are good no matter the gender of the author

Touker at it again 🙄

Cosmopolitan is targeted at women and Men’s Fitness is aimed at men - nobody blinks an eyelid at that; so why is this ‘divisive’? It’s a niche.

@chaytiano6896

Жыл бұрын

Deborah hates women.

@cookiekilbane5989

Жыл бұрын

If you want to spread the works of woman authors you would need men and woman to buy it, her product is bright pick suggesting only women should read women’s books

@dextercool

Жыл бұрын

@@cookiekilbane5989 I agree that she shrunk her audience perhaps to her detriment but people trot out the word 'divisive' as if nicheing products or services to gender is a negative thing no matter what

@JAB2010

Жыл бұрын

@@dextercool from a business standpoint, why would you arbitrarily pare down your potential audience from 100% of people to even 80%?

@mrhaltonok

Жыл бұрын

By this logic, bras should be designed so that both men and women can wear them

Is Steven gay or not ?Just asking . No negative comments

@altustalent410

Жыл бұрын

Ask him

@ing9545

Жыл бұрын

@@altustalent410 if you had no answer why comment ?

@altustalent410

Жыл бұрын

@@ing9545 For comedic purposes only.

@sadikmeah4057

Жыл бұрын

@@altustalent410 Yes very funny

They never put any money why even put them up there

This is the first of these modern Dragon's Den episodes that I've seen, and my god Sarah looks a lot younger and better in this one. Definitely lost some weight and likely wears better makeup. Props to her

Anyone still buy Playboy?

@TheQwaggs

Жыл бұрын

Just subbed after watching this trash

I love reading books, I dont care whether author is male or female. Stop this division

Response of the 2 female dragons was incredible. They said selling to women was discriminatory against men. So are lipstick manufacturers. Dartboard manufacturers discriminate against people who don't play darts. Footfall manufacturers discriminate against cricketers. Bicycle helmet manufacturers discriminate againt people who don't have bikes. Etc, etc, etc.

@Roadjull

Жыл бұрын

But I thought the point was to promote women writers to *everyone* because awareness & stuff? Men generally don't wear lipstick, but they can (and some will) read women writers. Your implication that there isn't a significant male-readership is false. Kudos to Sara and Debra for noticing the weird bias.

@Roverde

Жыл бұрын

This might be the dumbest comment ever. Books are general products. Every gender is interested in it. She deliberately alienates the male audience, which decreased her target market. The other products you mentioned, such as lipstick, is a feminine product to begin with. So it makes no sense selling it to men. Let me know if you want to learn more.

@coldestbeer

Жыл бұрын

Books; authors & their audience aren't gender specific. (Twilight & 50 shades of grey was written by a Man). Its also no the Man's fault their movies, books, superheroes or comics are more popular or best sellers. Not everything has to he socially Engineered. Men are the dominant genda. Andrew tate was right. (pls don't compare it to the mental popcorn of magazines & show how special you're. )

I don't understand if woman are reading then what's the problem why is she making out theirs problem due to sex when their isn't one

Drew Barrymore has never sounded more sane.

She's spot on targeting females. Men tend to write for men and women write genres that appeal to other women. There is definitely cross over, but for a company promoting female writers, it makes sense to target that product at the writers general target audience, which also makes up 75% of the book reading market

@coldestbeer

Жыл бұрын

Makes sense considering most best sellers are written by men, so we feed the bottom tier writing by females to other females & leave out the good books for presumed 25% of the males, including but not limited to books in maths & science. Thats how we empower & social engineer a society.

@altustalent410

Жыл бұрын

Yes but women are already buying, maybe the problem isn't gender seeing as how the market is actually skewed towards women being the predominant buyers? Men are the excluded party and her ethos further establishes exclusivity, further alienating men? Not seeing the problem huh?

Guys , can anyone tell me that has steven ever made an offer in dragons den ?

@VeryVeryBigJ

Жыл бұрын

He did on his first appearance and got a deal!

Bartlett has no class. Bad business etiquette all round.

Random thought, it's more than likely that Gay men will read books written for Women but Do Lesbian women read books written for men?

Molly was so not arsed when Sara said she was out. Like abrasive geordie Sara was ever in contention to be a dragon Molly would want to work with!

Not a very clever business strategy, alienate half of your potential market before you start....

I just think these feminists aren't paying attention to the world anymore. Equal rights have been around for ages, the reason guys don't really buy books nowadays is because we be playing our xbox or pc lol. I'd probably wager that 75%of men don't read books, they play games lol

@JessPen00

Жыл бұрын

She’s not upset that men don’t buy books, she’s upset that most of the books studied in schools are written by men. Big difference.

@DM-rc4yu

11 ай бұрын

@@JessPen00 What is there to be upset about?

Men supported her and women didn’t speak volumes

This is everything that’s wrong with gender-based movements.

This views gender as binary where as the young people today see it as a spectrum.

I'm an avid reader, I often feel represented by male authors as they have female characters. There are a lot of woke female authors who don't interest me at all. Thanks for the division though.

Tuker did not want to invest therefore such an absurd ask. Feel sad, that women dragons choose to drop because the business centered only and only towards women.

Let’s get women writing books because we can’t have men writing GCSE books without women having to equalise. Honestly the whole feminist attitude gets on my nerves and I’m a woman! So what if 80% are girls buying GCSE books written by men! Big deal. Are men stopping women from writing GCSE books? No!! It’s ridiculous these feminists always think that they have to compete!! I feel for men having to put up with this crap all the time

@TheQwaggs

Жыл бұрын

You are too late, you girls did nothing to stop it and now you have what you got. Enjoy

@informationyes

Жыл бұрын

Feme ism used to be about equality of opportunity but now their idea of equality of outcome which is what drives this

Sarah and Deborah with high horse comments 😴. You could imagine if someone came in and said it’s just for gays for example, they would say it was amazing. There is no harm in having a business promoting books and clubs for females what a load of nonsense. Says it all when the men were praising her and the women were acting the way they were 🤡😴

The irony that the female dragons voted themselves out ....

Sorry but if there was a boy only club all hell would break lose

@sadikmeah4057

Жыл бұрын

But there is. It's called Playboy

I'm out!

Sexist af.

@brownbuter

Жыл бұрын

What's sexist about that?..it focuses on females for females...trucks and mechanics are almost exclusively male, u don't blink an eye at that,don't cha now!

@margret-anisewelsh4365

Жыл бұрын

literally not sexist?????

@mrhaltonok

Жыл бұрын

Yep if a company was solely promoting books written by men for boys to read, there would be a lot of comments saying they should also be pushing female authors

@brownbuter

Жыл бұрын

@@mrhaltonok most promoted authors are{white} men, yet 60 percent of buyers are females, what else do u want? I bet you are a white male, you want it all but white men are not the majority buyers ...

@susanwaugh2383

Жыл бұрын

100% agree and that’s coming from a female! The comment above about mechanics being mostly male and truck drivers…oh put a sock in it! Many supermarkets take on women delivery drivers (yes, trucks drivers ) because they want males and females to be given equal opportunities in the workplace. Also there are many female mechanics! I don’t believe for a minute that a man wouldn’t take on a female mechanic if she has what the company is looking for! Honestly I’m sick of feminists coming on this show with female only businesses because they state that they are not given the same opportunities as men, or if men can do this then so can we. When has men ever stopped them? It IS sexist and I feel sorry for males having to listen to this utter rubbish.

Debra is the definition of woke culture, what is wrong with a business that focuses on and promotes girls? Ridiculous.

@crouchingspider2001

Жыл бұрын

That's not the point Debra is making though. Just losing a significant market, including women with sons.

@insideasimulation2667

Жыл бұрын

@@crouchingspider2001 but that is the business...

@catherineogilvie616

Жыл бұрын

She said it was a good business just not one for herself to invest.

@BenjaminGoose

Жыл бұрын

@@insideasimulation2667 I thought the business was to promote female authors? That doesn't mean excluding a male readership.

@cookiekilbane5989

Жыл бұрын

@@BenjaminGoose exactly