Also, you forgot to mention that the great invasion of the Night Elf lands was done...at night. When Night Elves are at the height of their power. The only race that can see as well at night as in the day, the only race that can blend with the shadows. And they're effortlessly outmaneuvered and outplayed in their own territory and when they should be at their strongest. Literally all the things they're best at.

@khanlusa

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the added psychic damage because I think I forcibly erased that detail because it was so fucking absurd.

@ArmageddonEvil

Жыл бұрын

Oh fuck, that's even worse. I didn't even play BFA, and that sounds like a terrible plot point for the Night Elves to *lose* their only advantage in combat because there was a larger army of 'Rawr FOR THE HORDE!' Edit: It shows how much Blizzard cares for the Alliance. If they fucked *one* of the Alliance Races, a la, Not a single bit.

@valeclaw1697

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@@ArmageddonEvil I am not joking. The secret path mentioned in the game saurfang took? Climbing down the giant mountains, with no climbing equipment, from Felwood into Darkshore. Where a few druids or mounted sentinels, or even wild Chimaera, could wipe out the defenseless army. A single Ancient could have been told by the wind, as TBC showed they can hear the elements, and killed their army with a spell. But nope. Night Elf spirits and powers and basic military tactics are too annoying for blizz.

@ArmageddonEvil

Жыл бұрын

@@valeclaw1697 Guess that's why they butchered Warcraft III: Reforged. Because military tactics = Annoying.

My memories of Tyrande and Malfurion will always be shaped by the war of the ancients trilogy. They were amazing heroes and continue to be. But yeah somebody hates night elves period in the wow writers room. This video was a nice collective scream into the void.

I have seen some people, mostly other Alliance players, respond to this with "what about all the attention the Night Elves have been getting with BfA and Shadowlands?" To which I retort: there is such thing as the _wrong_ kind of attention. It is something we on the Horde have known for years, that just because you are in the spotlight doesn't mean you like it. This is the same thing that makes Alliance players scream there is a Horde bias despite when they get attention the "attention" is more like a public shaming than being the star of the show. The Night Elves getting so much story does not mean it is good and they certainly haven't gotten any satisfactory resolution. It is ironic that the Horde knows their pain better than their fellow Alliance members do despite being technically the source of their hardship. Like you said if you were Horde or a Night Elf BfA was a lose/lose with most not being happy. Sylvanas grief Horde 🤝Night Elves

Blizzard: alright, point taken Also Blizzard: *doesn't change a thing and does it anyway*

From once being the greatest and most powerful empire on Azeroth that managed to beat and push back the Burning Legion time and time again, to being homeless refugees crying in the streets of Stormwind. Pretty much sums up Blizzard's treatment of the Night Elves. This video was a breather cause you really said what we've all been thinking for years now.

@lloydgush

Жыл бұрын

"But you don't understand, night elves and undead were really broken in WCIII so it's only just that they get the short end of the stick for 10 expansions..."

Yeah, between the butchery of Sylvanas, Shadowlands as a whole, and Blizzard's constant need to fuck over night elves, I have just completely checked on the story. Blizzard's writers don't care so neither will I.

Been saying Blizz hates Night Elves for years. Always got shot down. Now it’s just too obvious and undeniable for anyone to miss.

This is honestly super depressing cause i've always loved the night elves since Warcraft 3, they were the badass amazons with unique druid magics and now... -_- the writing just constantly f**ks them While questing in Ashenvale there's a gnome who mocks the night elves, claiming they're to stupid to deal with goblins, Xavius in Legion completely ruined Tyrande and Malfurion's reputation with the constant "Malfuion my love where are you! Tyrande help me D':" and the whole "malfurion for Ysera" thing makes no sense, hell Cenarius has died twice, how come he gets a free pass? Cenarius remaining in Ardenweald for Ysera would make way more sense, i've heard people say they're just killing Malfurion off because he's to powerful, but considering Jaina and Khadgar are still there (And the writers have literally never let Malfurion be his 'to powerful' self) that's total BS. I was looking forward to Dragonflight after the shitshow of Shadowlands, but if this is what the writings going to continue to be like then i'm done -_-

This is so perfectly said, you're a true warcraft fan.

At this point I'd rather they reboot the game. Shadowlands killed any lore love I had for the game.

@khanlusa

Жыл бұрын

They already breezed passed the reset button they had with the forge of afterlives, but maybe they'll admit this was a mess since BFA and use Infinite/Murozond shenanigans to fix it. Maybe. 😭

@moustafa2253

Жыл бұрын

@@khanlusa wouldn't that be something.

@ArmageddonEvil

Жыл бұрын

They are going to kill more lore before they fix End of Legion -> Shadowlands' Lore.

This video is amazing. Now for the rant. The "so tried" line just goes so well with how I feel. I've only play night elves since warcraft 3 and in wow. It was bad enough losing there immortality and the risk that they will lose power over nature in time, however with that there was always hints that they will get it back. It's been constant L. The night elves should have been there own faction , in lore there where too powerful to be just another alliance race. They could have had NE, dryads, mini mountain giants and furbolgs. I honestly thought dragon flight would be the expansion they really tried to make it up to the night elves but they decided to give them another huge blow.

@lloydgush

Жыл бұрын

Warcraft stands for "elves get fucked" in kaldorei. Be them undead, blood, night elves or trolls.

Honestly, they made the decision to kill off Ysera, and then they cheapen it in Shadowlands and now futher cheapen it in Dragonflight and not only do they trivialize her death, they're taking down 4 characters (2 major old lore characters, 1 cosmic entity, and 1 new character that has much reason to step up and shine as Wrathion and Kalecgos combined), while also taking down the entire night elf race as well. Like holy shit, what is this writing? Ysera doesn't NEED to come back, you could just as easily have Malfurion look after the Emerald Dream while Merithra steps up to be the leader of the Green Dragonflight and then take her place as caretaker of the Emerald Dream after. But nah, lets add some uneccessary and cliche drama by having some bullshit sacrifice to bring a character back that doesn't even need to come back. So with this one passage in the lore, they further trivialize Ysera's death, they shit all over Malfurion, they shit all over Tyrande who they've been shitting all over for the passed 3 expansions, they shit all over Elune who they've already written to be the biggest dumbass in warcraft history, they throw Merithra back into obscurity because she has literal 0 reasons to EXIST if Ysera comes back and they further shit all over the Night Elf race. I don't even play Alliance and I absolutely despise what they're doing with the Night Elves.

Varian: I've had to put so much on the line! Sylvanas, Tyrande, Maive, Malph: First time? Arthas, Uther, Jania, medivh, Thrall: Cool story bro.

I don't fucking understand where their hate of Night Elves came from, it's so weird. I mean overall to me they've been handling Night Elves weirdly since Classic but like you mentioned Cataclysm started this trend. MoP at least didn't turned out to have done a lot against them, thank goodness, but still

@Patrick-jd1ku

Жыл бұрын

my guess is that it's tied in with the misogyny of the writers, since the Night Elves are matriarchal and whatnot

NGL when I heard about this it took the wind out of my sails for DF hype. I am still looking forward to much about Dragonflight from being a Dracthyr to dragon riding to the isles themselves but this really gives me doubts about the story. Not only is it a bad writing decision on its own, it has killed any hope I had of Dragonflight being a "clean slate" like I hoped and SL is bleeding into it already like a red sock in a load of whites.

@khanlusa

Жыл бұрын

I've never seen a swell of cautious optimism deflate so abruptly before but lmao

@thenerdbeast7375

Жыл бұрын

@@khanlusa It's been... a hard last few years. I'm still gonna play DF, the ship is just being pushed along by the Dracthyr current while the plot hope sails are empty.

@Senthain

Жыл бұрын

To some degree, I admire the optimism, but Blizzard has so consistently screwed up that it's pretty much impossible to trust them with anything. Hell, I could easily see a low stakes sitcom written by these people somehow suddenly derailing into complete nonsensical plots involving a stolen cookie jar actually being a stash of dangerous magic crystals produced by a character that was written in during the last 3 episodes of the season.

I hope that Metzen will finally say, "Hold my beer." and come out of retirement. I know it is likely impossible, but I can dream.

@user-go2ld4ti6r

Жыл бұрын

I hope he will not. Failer must have they lesson, and this is impossible if someone correct everything for them. Also there is too much expectations-presure for Metzen.

@spiritualdreamer

Жыл бұрын

we really lost something special when Metzen left.

Thank you for this video, it was very cathartic. It still baffles me that unlike the Systems Team who have taken blame upon themselves and made tangible steps forward in fixing the system mistakes that made Shadowlands so much worse, the lore team still has their noses high up in the air, unwilling to acknowledge anything. As you said, Cataclysm was the point where Night Elf fans like me started noticing some signs that that the writing for the race was going a bit fishy, but we still held on, hoping for good developments like the amazing Old God lore and the human/dwarf/gnome lore that we got back in WoTLK. It was baffling for me to learn that they had plans to burn down Teldrassil that far back and managed to fulfill it in BfA much against the community outcry, and the handling of the race afterwards to this day. I have also quit the game as many others who had faith and hope in the lore of WoW and after seeing it being dashed to pieces again and again. I care too much and it is simply too tiring to dread every piece of new information instead of speculating excitedly as I do for other games. As someone who fell in love with the Warcraft universe and the Night Elf race 20 years back with Warcraft 3, I vaguely cling to hope that the story team is wiped clean and they bring in people who hold fans in a higher regard instead of harbouring narcissists who only "care about the stories they want to tell", damn the previous lore. It would bring me so much joy for a new team to come aboard and say, "Hey everyone. We know you don't like what's been happening in the lore for the past x years. So we're retconning it all and here's the next exciting step". It would be amazing not only in terms of the Warcraft universe, but it would be a slap in the face to those who worked so hard to ruin it these past years. Yeah, I'm resentful, I know. Anyway, this video helped me channel the rage I felt for what has been done to my favourite race for the past 12+ years, so thanks!

Blizzard saw horde players complain about how thoroughly we’ve had our faces spat in by the writers through recent expansions and went “ok what if we keep doing that but ALSO spit more in the face of night elf players!”

@khanlusa

Жыл бұрын

Insert that astronaut meme here. "Wait, it's ALL bad writing?" "Always has been."

@catgirlforeskin

Жыл бұрын

@@khanlusa for real lol. I’ve been playing wow classic tbc and even back this far you can see the writing on the wall for a lot of WoW’s current issues

I remember years ago, on the Cata era complaining for a while: "Meh Malfurion is too boring, that furry bear ass man is boring as hell, they should get rid of him and bring some new night elf characters , some new night elf generation, new night elf flavors!" I meant it with honesty since I just didnt like the green beard horned man. But this?... this is just disgusting, its so pathetic, and all that because they were not confident in writing about Ysera's daughter? really? was that a bit to scary? so wild man... I was never a big fan of malfurion, but even me, a "hater" thing that he deserved better.

It's quite sad that you can get more emotional and earned love for stories in hearthstone solo adventures then 9/10 recent story beats in the mmo.

What's sadder is that they set up Merithra to become the new Green Aspect even after Ysera returned , so Malfurion went to Ardenweald for no actual reason .

I'll never understand the orc and Horde fanboys that don't like night elves! 10,000 year old, 7 foot tall warrior women with abs that an Arcanite Reaper could bounce off of? Druids who'll trap you with vines and pull you under the very ground itself to bury you alive? A nocturnal race who can literally meld into the shadows to hunt you from? Who cares about orcs vs humans! Tired, played out. Night elves SHOULD have been the new, ultimate rivals to the orcs and Horde. Ashenvale should be an objectively terrifying place for the Horde; every tree branch rustle should make a Horde traveler in Ashenvale see their life flash before their eyes. Ugh. Omega level cowards at Blizzard - though given what we know of them now, of the sexist freaks that were in charge, it's hardly surprising it ended up as it was. But the wasted opportunity of it all. It's tragic.

So let me get this straight, in Dragonflight they're sacrificing FUCKING MALFURION to bring back Ysera. FUCKING MALFURION!!! Who Blizzard has CONSTANTLY FAILED to make him as AWESOME as he was back in Warcraft 3 and other media THAT'S IT THAT'S IT THAT'S IT THAT'S IT THAT'S IT!!!!!!!! What the fuck is their problem with not just Night Elves but every fucking race has been getting shafted forever, as well as classes even, can't remember the last time a Paladin did anything awesome, same with Druids and Shamans At this point, they should just fire the writing team and just focus on the gameplay, 90% of the Warcraft community can write a better story than these... traitors

@user-go2ld4ti6r

Жыл бұрын

The main problem here then there is no point of this sacrifice. There is a leader of green flight: Izera's daughter. So we just can let Izera go(because if we really need to revive her, then we need to do same with Maligos and Neltarion for same reason).

@ArmageddonEvil

Жыл бұрын

@@user-go2ld4ti6r DEATHWING RETURNS! FTW

God... I felt all of this video as a frustrated NE Druid since 2006. Blizz hates us.

Exact same team that made bfa and shadowlands: *does the exact same shit they always do* Playerbase: i can't believe you've done this.

The Kaldorei deserve so much more! The novels, like Stormrage and the War of Ancients, showed us the might of the Night Elves, but in game we don't get any of that, bar the Darkshore cinematic with Malfurion. Now he's being locked away, just like Illidan was. Why can Blizzard not just give us the Night Elves we had? The only lore I care about is one of the Kaldorei but the masses haven't seen what we have. They don't know what the Night Elves are capable of because its looked behind books of old. In game they're portrayed as weak tree hugging hobos.

Blizzard has been fucking up Nightelf Lore since Vanilla by introducing them to the Alliance.

@ArmageddonEvil

Жыл бұрын

When they are a Neutral party that only joined the Jaina's Alliance and Thrall's Horde to defeat the Burning Legion.

@MrVlad12340

Жыл бұрын

@Hawkknight97 undead were on an non stop win steak since Cata all the way until BfA. They literally ONLY got wins until siege of Undercity.

It gets worse believe it or not: Ysera does drive back the primalist forces but you know who was also strong enough to do that? Mal-fucking-furion, he is a one-man army that is the most powerful mortal in the world and on par with Ysera in power so he could have showed up to save the green dragons' collective bacon. Ysera didn't even come back to be the aspect again as even after resurrection Ysera lacks the same connection to the dream she once had so her daughter Merithra is going to be the next aspect instead. So they brought her back, tainted an otherwise flawless expansion by acknowledging Shadowlands exists and cheapened her original death, for *NOTHING.*

I'm really glad that I've stopped playing after legion was over

As a Night Elf main since day 1 Vanilla WoW, you have successfully given voice to all my anguish.

Maiev was captured by Illidan, Kel'thas and Vashj in warcraft 3

It wasn't a Night Elf player, it is the Night Elf Lore, and they could not stand it anymore. Steve Danuser is out to get all that everyone loves and ruin it because he had a shit fit. He's going to be destroying the Dragon Lore next.

@ArmageddonEvil

Жыл бұрын

World of Warcraft's Writers hate when *everyone* gets it right, but with how much idiocy is in the WoW Team, they are writing like a six-year-old.

@ArmageddonEvil

Жыл бұрын

Also, another thing, there is some mention about Malfurion will be coming back whenever Illidan Stormrage returns. A la, I mention it. The way that ends is Illidan Stormrage *commits* seppuku to himself because he cannot bare the responsibility of killing his brother and love. The person who's forcing him? No other than Sargeras. He hears Malfurion and Tyrande's pleas, and... he does it to save everyone. THIS FEELS SO PLAUSIBLE with how the Lore is so fucked up with the Night Elves. Tyrande crying, Malufurion forgiving him, entirely. Edit: Also, another thing, Sylvanas Windrunner will be returning in Dragonflight. I've said it, and many other Lore people said it. Even though, they've butchered Sylvanas Windrunner. After she finds her beloved she returns to Azeroth with him and gets married to Nathanos.

@khanlusa

Жыл бұрын

@@ArmageddonEvil How could you make me read that last bit with my own two good christian eyes? 😭 Really though, they will do whatever they want regardless of sense or taste if it justifies whatever the next story beat is.

@ArmageddonEvil

Жыл бұрын

@@khanlusa Because I feel in all honesty, they want to destroy everything... that the Old Guard created. The Old Guard in this case is Chris Metzen. Edit: Also, the Sylvanas Windrunner thing *feels* like 100% would happen. Because of how much Steve Danuser is in love with that character. And he self-inserted himself as Nathanos.

@khanlusa

Жыл бұрын

@@ArmageddonEvil Certainly as a queer player who is a fan of both the night elves and Sylvanas, the last several years of "story" have felt like a splinter slowly getting pushed under a nail, and Nathanos as an entire concept is absolutely part of that exhausted irritation.

Extremely cathartic video ;-; I have a soft spot for night elves as I loved them since I was a elementary school and seeing how the writers treat them is endlessly maddening

Some writers must be fired and arrested

@ZombieFighter95

Жыл бұрын

Arrested for writing a bad story? Lmao, wow nerds are hilarious. And sad.

@andredesouzadovale1426

Жыл бұрын

@@ZombieFighter95 they have gone insane and corrupt

Why I've given up on WoW lore in a nutshell

I'm just wondering how any Night Elf fan could still have hope after they turned Elune into an incompetent robot who considers 10,000 Night Elf souls to be worth nothing more than manure for her sister's garden.

@khanlusa

Жыл бұрын

I don't trust them to watch an egg timer at this rate.

@VeGohan

Жыл бұрын

Who sayed that elune is a robot?

Sometimes I pretend what if: What if most of the night elves retreated into the emerald dream, bolstering their forces with fey creatures, then open a portal INSIDE the Undercity and launch a full scale takeover. With an ultimatum to the Blood Elves and alliance: Get out of our way, or face retribution. Side with the Forsaken and join them in death. Tyrande and Malfurion there, planting the seed from Shadowlands inside the Undercity sewers so the Undercity is completely crumbled into the ground as a new world tree grows from its ashes. Blood Elves flee to Kalimdor and settle in Ashenvale, Forsaken flee to Northrend, old zones revamped. Night Elves claim Lordaeron, both now neutral factions with "High Elves" allied race in Silvermoon.

You know, I was kind of excited for Dragonflight. But honestly I can't keep dealing with this shitty ass writing.

@khanlusa

Жыл бұрын

Fair and valid, honestly.

@ArmageddonEvil

Жыл бұрын

In all honesty, with Steve Danuser in charge now, it's much, much worse writing.

If they really kill off Malfurion then I’m gonna stop wasting my time and energy on this stupid game with stupid lore because of stupid writers because I’m so sick and tired with it

anyone else remembers that in warcraft 3 tyrande was slightly racist and was actually cool and had a strong personality no just me. i will never forget her being like "only the godess can forbit me" damn girl get it

Hearing this leak was exhausting. You'd think maybe, just maybe, we could be done with short-sighted choices to throw away beloved and established characters and locations for lazy drama for an expansion or two. Just as a treat.

@khanlusa

Жыл бұрын

No relief, only constant trauma porn.

Some of us gave up on Blizzard a while ago. The last character they created that I liked was Alarak for Legacy of the Void, and half of that was just John Delancy chewing the scenery. The writers room at Blizzard must be 14 exhausted intern/grad majors begging for death while a couple of yahoo jock-bros put in another 'non-consensual' narrative element.

i'm more into bein a human, but this kinda pissed me off too, the whole malfurion being traded off for a dragon we dont even need anymore... shame the nelf fans get hit hard on this, and still getting hit hard with the Hate bat from blizzard.

Honestly, at this point I just prefer to try and not let myself get worked up over Blizz screwing over the nelves, not only because they've been doing it since Cata (and I have a nostalgic love for Cata tbf), but because people have been complaining about it for literal years and they hadn't taken the slightest notice or care. So, I'll cuddle my fanon where the Night Elves are still the most ferocious race in the Alliance alongside worgen, Malfurion and Tyrande actually get character development besides "woman gets traumatized even further and malfurion does nothing to make illidan seem cooler´" and are actually appreciated by the rest of the Alliance (both in universe and by the writers)

and after the night warrior failed in BFA by losing to an unpowered man with nothing but a bow. You see them hype up as some old god soloing power. then she loses every single fight she ever has with the power. this thing made her actively weaker.

@khanlusa

Жыл бұрын

Pain

Thank you! Finally, someone said what night elf players feel. My biggest problem with writing night elves was making them important but ignoring them at the end of the expansion. Since the legion, night elves seem to be an main part of the story. However, they always disappear after first patch, right after sacrifice or losing something. We lost Ysera in legion, and what next? Burning Teldrasill, what has tyrande done with power capable destroy Old god? Shadowlans, after killing innocent souls burned alive, Tyrande stops her revenge and won't even fight with Jailer, the source of all her suffering! Writers will always choose their favorites character for the most important moments, obeying logic

@northp3214

Жыл бұрын

To make it even worse, in the beggning SL Elune wasn't one to stop Tyrande from killing Sylvanas, but Malfurion. During this conversation, Tyrande was to kill her husband and thus lose control of her power. As you see Blizzard has been trying to get rid of Malfurion since Teldrasill (maybe even sooner).

@ArmageddonEvil

Жыл бұрын

@@northp3214 They've been trying to get rid of him ever since he was created. Because they feel like he's *too* powerful and needs to be killed for him breaking the law of living too long.

"What a waste of potential" Sub-Zero MK11

Came back here to say that the Night Elf Heritage quest in 10.1.7 could be added here

I heard a rumor about that Garrosh quest. Apparently it was made out of spite because the creator of it didn’t like the direction Blizzard was taking with Garrosh.

Now we do have a little hope they won't go through with it past alpha because in the past, there has been many big lore event that got written off in alpha thanks to fan backlash. Two popular ones were how Rommath was supposed to be a secret villain in cataclysm and a boss during the hour of twilight (to contrast Archbishop Benedictus for horde players) and how Wrathion was supposed to be the disguised shaman in highmountain during Legion. Both got taken out due to fan backlash as Rommath lorewise was described as an impatient mage who still resisted the fel temptation for the sake of his people and it wouldn't make sense for him to turn evil like this (he's more anti-hero imo) and Wrathion pretending to be the shaman leader of the highmountain wouldn't make sense unless he was born there thousand of years ago which he wasn't, he was born in the badlands and recently in cataclysm. There was some downside following those retractions. For the case of Rommath, they replaced the reveal with a character so minor in Horde lore that people were puzzled why that reveal seemed like a big deal and during the hour of twilight, horde players were supposed to be shocked that Archbishop Benedictus turned evil when... he has no involvement with the horde? It was kinda confusing for horde players and so much more when Thrall denounced the archbishop as a spiritual traitor of his people. Sorry why does he care about alliance religion? And with Wrathion well... his absence for legion was perhaps the biggest fan rage since he was the cause of the legion mess to begin with! He was nowhere to be found, not even a small hint anywhere. Like I myself am still angry to this day! So for the sake of highmountain's plot they created a whole new black dragon, Ebyssian, who for some reason existed without Deathwing's corruption for millennias somehow? Nah just conveniently add in that magical titan hammer fixed him upon birth! But there was good sides to these decisions! Rommath now "certified not a traitor" became very instrumental for blood elf lore afterwards, particularly in Mist of Pandaria where even though he was directly involved with the divine bell incident, he felt guilty that Aethas Sunreaver, a fellow mage he was tutored with in their youth, took the blame and personally lead a rescue mission. Add in the lore detail how different their politics are (one chose to serve Silvermoon city and serve the horde while the other to serve the Kirin Tor for the sake of neutrality) and that rescue arc became a symbol of how the blood elves, though culturally divided between those in Kirin Tor or Silvermoon city, are still one people with a tight cultural bond with each other. And Ebyssian himself was very important in both Legion and BFA story progression. Heck the interaction between Wrathion and Ebyssian as two long lost relatives finding out both existed without each other's knowledge (maybe not for Wrathion's spies) felt so genuine and wholesome it was probably one of the few highlights of BFA. Maybe this interaction was what made Wrathion decide he should return the black dragonflight back to their noble roles as the defenders of Azeroth instead of selfish goals and how he chose to uncorrupt the remaining black dragons instead of killing them like he has done in the past. Here's me hoping Blizzard will fix this Malfurion alpha mess and get creative like they did before. Heck, here's a personal pitch: Malfurion and Tyrande will learn to overcome their grief each in their own ways thanks to Merithra teaching them more about night elf culture and the wonders of the dream now that she's the new green dragonflight aspect. But she herself will look up to them as surrogate parents seeing she too is also grieving after recently losing her mother, Ysera, and even some of her close siblings like Karkarius and Thessera of which she saw their passing first hand during BFA. Each trying to overcome griefs of their own without feeling high and mighty about it and turning the plight of the night elf from "revenge is wrong!" to "wounded people need each other to overcome trauma"... Though they should still team up to hunt down horde as a treat cause revenge still taste very sweet >:D

@Skyblade12

Жыл бұрын

They never write it off, they only delay it. They wanted Tyrande to kill Malfurion in Shadowlands, and they wanted to burn Teldrassil back in Cata. They HATE the Night Elves, and nothing will convince them to stop destroying them.

blizzard hates night elf fans and its so depressing

@JaxKangaroo

Жыл бұрын

i just want malfurion to be cool!

I’m so glad I main a Draenei and that Blizzard forgot they exist. Now let’s hope they never touch them again. 🙏

as a nightelf player this hit kinda hard, It reminds me so much of GW's handling of the Aeldari in 40k (that is the space elves for those that dont know) its just constant sprays of shit to make other factions look stronger and more competent they are not allowed to have a win ever :/. its hard being a fae fan these days.

This was the most cathartic WoW experience I've had in ... I don't know how long. I miss the world so much, but I can't go back to the psychic damage of this bullshit writing again. Elune adore, my purple sisters and brothers. I hope you get the writers you deserve one day.

good video

I.....I need a drink...

Kyalin, is that you?

@khanlusa

Жыл бұрын

What??

I'm always draenei main, but guess Im gonna play more nelfs now.

Not a single bit of WoW lore past Burning Crusade is Canon I decided.

Turns out the xpac is mad fun

@khanlusa

Жыл бұрын

Okay? I'm having fun with it too, that doesn't mean this plot point isn't irritating.

@cameroncaver

Жыл бұрын

@@khanlusa I do wish my dark lady was here to enjoy it aswell but blizzard hard to give her the hellscream treatment 😭

You need more likes,thy voice must be heard!

The decline of the night elves started with the fact that for an MMO Blizzard needed to level the playing field. They had to allow both genders to be any race or class. That gutted the matriarchal society of the night elves. Then they had to split the existing races into two opposing factions for PvP. And for whatever reasons the night elves turned on the pacifist Thrall, whom they had just stood united with during the Battle of Mount Hyjal, only to be subserviant to the human king of the Alliance they have never actually met in WC3. And whom was missing for the first couple of expansions of WoW as well. There goes the more than 10.000 years old civilization out the window. The fact that the oldest race had to live in the newest capital city which they built atop a new world tree was also pretty lame. They never lived atop Nordrassil in the past 10.000 years. Didn't they have a capital during that time? Some ruin to rebuild?

Eh. It took almost twenty years to get true high elves playable, and even now its a half assed reskin of a reskin. Imagine being a fan of them all the way back to Warcraft 2...

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀.........Reeeeeeeeeee. There’s not much for me to say. Having gone through this with another fandom. 👀 at you Marvel an the whole thing with House of M. Glad that Dawn of X and that whole line has given me hope for X-men again. Sorry for the meme but you have put to words what I have been thinking lately.

Who cares about malfurion all he does is sleep anyway and always has

@dantetester5491

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The guy got solo'd by a season 1 dungeon boss from legion. I hope his rested bonus was worth it

Blizzard should take you and give you a job to rebuild nelf lore and be our queen.

First. Pain.

@khanlusa

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There is only suffering to be had here 💀

@Groxigar

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@@khanlusa "Pain and suffering are all that await you"

I never liked Mop as an expansion. But my love for Wow was officially dead with the start of Bfa, with the annoying idea of ​​the horde continent and the alliance continent. It was clear that the "directors" hated the Night Elves, but they loved the hateful Anduin and the boring Sylvanas. With Shadowlands I hoped at least that the Night elves could get revenge against the bastard banshee, but no! They wanted to spare her unlife and also redeem her. Even if revenge is sometimes right, for them it is considered evil and must be demonized! All this goodness is something toxic.

Yeah blizzard has had two straight failed expacs and constantly shits on the nelfs. Game had just gotten worse over time.

One question (prolly stupid): Why are you not working for Blizz ?? You know - "make WoW great again !" and stuff... cause we all know the state of the lore right now.

@khanlusa

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Because half my paycheck would need to be delivered as expensive bottles of rum in order to deal with their shit.

Yea but yesera will not be the Aspekt of the green her dauther will. I know the Video was mad in alpha but has Ur opinion changed? And im pretty Sure malfurion will be back

Bring back to kael please

I don't know why people liked Varian, Varian is an awful character. I hate him :) I hate that the humans in wow has alwyas something to show and teach to races that are thousand of years old. Is fucking stupid. Stop doing that, If you want to show the Nelves somthing use the draenei they are older and wisers enought to have a lot to show and teach.

@ArmageddonEvil

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WoW Developers: "B-But we are human, my friend!" WoW Players: "Not everyone in World of Warcraft plays Human characters." It is what I feel that's the reason why humans are always the mainstay in the lore for some ungodly reason. lol

Azshara does seem very off.

Meet Blizzard, the company that doesn't respect its own IP. Spend ten seconds of applying logic, not only should the Horde have lost the War of the Thorns, the Horde as of the end WoD at least half way through Legion shouldn't have even continued existing as a political entity. But instead its members rather than act of independent will and a desire to be honorable instead give up all their free will to blindly serve evil warchiefs who will get them killed, and then to "prove" the Horde hasn't been written as blatant badguys next betray the Horde to the Alliance...because you know having anti-badguy dudes defect to team "good guys who do no wrong" totally paints the team they came from as good and honorable. Litterally shitting on the Night Elves is the only way Blizzard can fake the Horde being a viable threat or even a world power rather than a bunch of disjointed tribes beneath the Alliance's notice. If the writers at Blizzard could for once reverse the roles of the Horde and Alliance. Make it so the Ironforge Dwarves, or King Greymane were the guys blatantly in the wrong as they twirl their sudden unexplainable snidely wiplash mustaches the NE would get shown as the power house they are, and do the role of the Tauren...but better. The Horde went from the End of WC3 to WoW as the Underdogs with a bad past they were trying to rise above. Since cataclysm Blizzard's inability to do anything other than 70s/80s cartoon villains with no moral nuance whatsoever has made the Horde have to show some sort of dominant dark supremacy while the Alliance, the force with the Night Elf political world Super power as just one of their members and a trifacta that brings the equivalent of the entirety of NATO to the table by themselves....and these forces have to be initially intimidated by the cartoon villains of the Horde...the Horde that is an alliance of primitive tribes that were as of WC3 most of them on the verge of extinction. Blizzard's inability to write even half decent villains means that every time they need to make a villains or show how strong someone is, they need to wail on a existing character/faction. So they decided to Piccolo/Worf the entirety of the Night Elves.

:)

Who'd sacrifice for who? I'll start, someone go into the maw and trade anduin for his father. Oh, thrall for doomhammer as well.

To be honest, I am kinda glad that Malfurion is gone. Since Warcraft 3 all he did was whining and sleeping, waking up to be rescued by us. Tyrande is at least doing something, leading her people and kicking Ass in darkshore. We all know the night warrior story got burned down for „soft woman must forgive to be woman else evil“, but I would trade Malfuiron for Ysera anytime.

@khanlusa

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I do kind of agree because they haven't really done much with him since he briefly became interesting in the Darkshore cinematic and him being completely absent while Tyrande was going through this whole thing in SL does not remotely help. However, as I said, killing him off just because they don't know what to do with him feels so incredibly lazy. They decided to kill off Ysera, it was upsetting (and cheap) so on one hand I like the idea of her returning, but on the other hand they're doing it in a way that further hurts the race they've spent way too long kicking (and its not like Tyrande needs more trauma either.)

@Dracxina

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@@khanlusa totally get that, too. At this point, I’m just glad they are killing him of and not tyrande. So much worse and 0 logic behind it, on the other hand, they burned a worldtree down, so… Nothing is save at this point. And of course the kick the NElves. It’s a matriarchal society and we all know what Blizz thinks of women.

@ArmageddonEvil

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@@khanlusa I have a feeling they will have some *dumbass* reason for him returning back to Azeroth as much as their dumbass reason for killing him off. Whenever Illidan Stormrage with Sargeras' Soul comes to a knocking they would need his brother to stop him and 'FREE him' from the Evil Within. LOL Because it feels like a dumbass entirely plausible storyline coming from Steve Danuser, etc. Edit: Also, fuck the dragons in World of Warcraft. The Infinite Dragonflight hasn't stopped at all.

for the horde 💪💪💪

Look thee game is fucked and unrecoverable. And i say that as someone who is interested in gaming industry, gamee design, public reaction to games and gaming every day for yours since childhood (i dont even own a tv). ALL the vectors are pointing TOWARDS the drain and blizzard is doing EVEEEEEEERYTHING in thir power to ACCELERATE THE DECLINE. The fundamentals of gameplay like leveling - which is there to create a soft method of pacing players through the content is GONE because IDIOT PLAYERBASE demanded it removed. (they literally pay to buy a game and then pay to skip it because of inferiority complex they are trying to placate instead of playing a game for fun. Infact the very fact the game makes demands of players time and skill is instead of being perceived as a natural fun challenge is perceived as an evil ploy to delay them from attaining the fabled yet untrue and long since lost position of prestige at the "endgame" which surprise surprise - they pay to have done to them. The players are now rushed to the endgame at ludicurous speeds to then have the last 5% of the games entire library of content be paperthin slice fed to them and prolonged by TIMEGATES as much as possible. Which are a HARD form of pacing unlike leveling which is a soft method which allows for faster new conteent acquisition to those players who clear content faster... Leveling allows for a much healthier pace through the game allowing the players to progress at their own speed. I belive the casuals hate this because it suggests that there are others who are faster more proficient than them and thus it makes their inferiority complex greater! This makes the need for a LIE of presigious position at endgame even greater. So they go apeshit if teh game is in any way steered towards a healthy system. Blizzard team long has lost hope their existing playerbase - which isnt populated by the smartest of players by now since most real gamers seen whats going on and left long ago - observing the mess with a mix of cringe and anger at a destroyed hobby from a distance. Blizzard would have to take financial losses to repair this game, they are not willing to do that ever. They want all the money, and this will result in them getting none of the money quite soon. Dragonflight WILL FAIL despite initial small bump in player numbers which will be screamed at everyone as proof of the game turning a new leaf... It wont... It did nothing to solve the fundamental core issues with the games structure. All it did was make things worse and worse. Sped up leveling even more, boosted gear acquisition, made things easier, made faction choice not matter as well as making as many other things not matter as possible. Is there any confusion then.. why is the game feeling hollow and pointless? Why acquire gear when you can get it for free later, why level when you can push a button and be at the endgame. Why raid if you can afk and kill all the bosses, why do dungeons if gear is pointless anyway. Why farm materials when they are cheap as dirt because of the plague of bots. You would have to be an idiot to compete with those for such small market share of profit, so why not buy a token and buy all the materials you need and some achievements while you are at it... which reminds me... WHY EVEN DO ACHIEVEMENTS YOURSELF? There literally isnt a single healthy aspect of the game left, the RMT and the constant pandering to people who fundamentally are not here to play a game has destroyed all aspects of the game. The patient doesnt have enough blood pressure to survive the operation. The game will bleed out or die of the cancer that roils all its organs. The problem is metastatic and incurable. Goodbye WoW. You could have had a better faith than this.

Now you know how it felt with us DK's when the Lich King was humiliated like he was level 80 and Sylvanas was 120. (Pre level squish)

not trying to push buttons but what did y'all expect the great sacrifice to be? a soul for a soul makes sense for the life and death bargain. if anything i'm upset that Ysera will be coming back at all, i was hoping to see some green dragonflight development without her in the picture.

@Inayaeza

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We don't want any great sacrifice at all, let her be dead and develop her daughter

@Skyblade12

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How about someone ELSE sacrifice then? Let’s let Lorthemar or Elisande 2.0 give up something for once.

@youmeandgravity

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@@Skyblade12 why would the blood elves or night elves give a shit about elune

@Skyblade12

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​@@youmeandgravity The sacrifice isn't about Elune, it's about getting Ysera back. If she's so all important, the worthless genocidal Horde can sacrifice themselves for her.

@youmeandgravity

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@@Skyblade12 lol so all this is just you being spiteful towards the horde

Eh a good trade off imo. Ysera’s death in Legion was dumb. But if I could pick who else to sacrifice instead of Mal it would be Shandris.

this an ingenious move by the blizzard writing team, but people are to emotional to see it. 1. yesera in dragonflight xpac 2. malfurion redemption for causing ysera's death 3. malfurion charactar development in ardenweald (wet emerald dream for a druid) malfurion will return no doubt about it, it's fucking malfurion after all. he'll probably come back shortæy after dragonflight stronger than ever.

@ArmageddonEvil

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He'll return to stop his *Sargeras* powered brother, Illidan Stormrage. He'll be put on the backburner before the rumors and whispers of the Burning Legion's Return.

As a Horde player The Sundering is the Night Elves fault, as far as I care is all karma over that shit lmao (I don't actually hate WoW elves, they are all trolls at the end of the day and I love all trolls) Heeey Night Elves have Val'Sharah...? It's "neutral", but it belongs to the Night Elves :(

@khanlusa

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The Sundering was caused by the lower classes rebelling against the queen so they could stop her from bringing in the Burning Legion to azeroth. Saying "it was their fault, karma lol" is just arguing that the Legion should have been allowed to invade. The Blood Elves are the descendants of the highborne who caused that mess, the naga are the 1-to-1 converts of the royalists who served Azshara in causing that mess--the playable night elves are the ones who stopped the Legion from invading the first time. This argument is terminally insufferable.

@ArmageddonEvil

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@@khanlusa Blood Elves and Naga should be paying Repretations to the Night Elves, the Low Born Night Elves anyway. Tyrande, Malfurion, etc.

@Skyblade12

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@@khanlusa Don’t forget the Nightborne as well. Literally all of the people behind the Legion invasion are Horde now.

@ArmageddonEvil

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@@Skyblade12 It's a bit hilarious. The Horde actively recruited the idiots that caused the Sundering AND the Legion Invasion 2.0. What's next? Is the Naga going to be a Horde-only race? Queen Azshara: "Why are you asking me to join?" Horde Council: "Because we have some information that you caused the Sundering and we need you on our side against a third party." Queen Azshara: "I never caused the sundering!? What are you on about?" Horde Council: "Hmm, what about this offer? Do you want vengeance on the Lowborn Night Elves that betrayed you?" Queen Azshara: "Ooh, so this is where you are coming from. I'll Lend my Naga to you as long as you don't ask me about my other plans for our world." Horde Council: "Deal!" *facepalm* I feel like this is how bad the writing at blizzard had gotten.

@MrVlad12340

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Sundering was caused by Highborne. Who later became high elves , who became blood elves. Also nightborne are literally highborne but purpler. Oh my, what faction are those races from now? Hmmm....