As a working class white single father living in the north of England I find it heart warming and astonishing that a man who obviously moves in vastly different circles to myself embodies the voice that I have felt for so long had been stolen from me. It almost brings tears to the eyes to know there are people out there who actually see the oppression of the white working class male. Thank you Mr Murray for existing and articulating so perfectly what is happening to this world. Hopefully one day we'll all just be friends! For our childrens' sake!

@ruinerblodsinn6648

4 жыл бұрын

Well off, single, white, techy guy speaking: I know what you are talking about, although I can’t put myself in your position to be fair. What’s important in this is: we (the silent group) have to acknowledge the pain of these crazy people (if they weren’t suffering they wouldn’t be so loud), because otherwise they will never see the pain you have to endure. Otherwise this foolish shouting game will tear what’s left of our communities apart. Interested in your feedback!

@lesserspottedmugwump.363

4 жыл бұрын

I must admit, it’s weird going into a pub that wouldn’t burn Tories at the stake.

@mickfriday

4 жыл бұрын

@Mactrip100 thankyou

@mickfriday

4 жыл бұрын

@@lesserspottedmugwump.363 haha! Very true. I wouldn't vote labour now if you paid me!

@mickfriday

4 жыл бұрын

@@ruinerblodsinn6648 hard to give feedback as I'm not quite sure what you're saying. Who is in pain and how do I go about acknowledging it?

“How do we know when the over correction is enough and who calls time on it?” 100% nailed it

@TheJeremyKentBGross

4 жыл бұрын

About the same time as people realize the behavior he described by Nicki Minaj was the primary motivation for historical violence against women in the first place.

@kevintyrrell9559

4 жыл бұрын

The feminists and identity politic SJWs have said over and over again...the revolution will never be over...if they ever stop they fear that the insidious white male patriarchy will come back to oppress them all. Thus...this will never ever end. Plus they have built professions and an industry on the back of their intersectional nonsense. This is here to stay folks...until we all agree to shut it down and end it.

@dustybee764

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin Tyrrell yeah well, they give themselves too much credit. Female rights came as a natural progression with the contraceptive pill, access to technology and surplus cash. Plus having fewer children in the western world (partly a result of the pill of course). It has very little to do with campaigning. Even with the suffragette movement, public opinion was going towards the right for the female vote anyway.

@stephenparry6811

4 жыл бұрын

@@dustybee764 women in uk gained the vote in 1921 when males over 21 became enfranchised but then only if they owned property or some such qualification; gained the full vote over 21 1928 so yes you are correct the general direction post wwi was heading towards universal suffrage

@Individual_Lives_Matter

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin Tyrrell it’s a self-perpetuating con.

I love Douglas Murray because he is just so intelligent and human.

@ThePathOfEudaimonia

4 жыл бұрын

@Isa And why do you think he is joking, Isa?

@carolinesmyth127

4 жыл бұрын

@Isa why do you think he's an idiot and a creep?

@elizabetamedvedeva

4 жыл бұрын

@Isa: that's called an ad hominem attack - and as DM has pointed out the most stupid form of attack because you cannot address the issues with competence or intellect. You are the very reason he writes haha.

@joanwalley9872

2 жыл бұрын

@@elizabetamedvedeva @Isa is a moron.

I could listen to Douglas all day long, this dude is so well spoken & so knowledgable & most of all brave in the subjects he tackles, I’ll always be a massive fan of his.

Discussions like this just shows how far our culture has fallen

@BboyKeny

4 жыл бұрын

Its still fixable, just speak out.

@leepacnw152

4 жыл бұрын

Amen

@addicted2p0rn

4 жыл бұрын

whites are the only people who listen to these types of discussions.

@BboyKeny

4 жыл бұрын

gringots Lol like Thomas Shaw

@Oners82

4 жыл бұрын

No, they show how far the right wing has fallen.

Douglas Murray describing the premise of Nicki Minaj's song "Anaconda" is the greatest thing ever. My God...

@DailyCorvid

Жыл бұрын

Two of my favourite speakers on political sanity! The fun female view from Nicki and the practical serious male view from Douglas. This proves that sexuality ruins impartiality. If you have to put on heels and makeup in order to make your point, then I would suggest your point is invalid. And so we need to stop using it outside of an interpersonal context LIKE CHRISTIANITY! _edit_ Nicki does not require the heels or the makeup, her lyrics contain the sauce! But she's absolutely gonna utilise her advantages being as she's smart as hell. That isn't the heels doing that lol.

'The Madness of Crowds' reviewed by Guardian as 'a rightwing diatribe' (apart from there not being such a word as 'rightwing' (it's either 'right wing' or 'right-wing') this heading is enough to convince me that the book will be a good read.

@sirrathersplendid4825

4 жыл бұрын

Philip Chambers - Anything the Guardian disapproves of, is by definition ‘good’.

@lesserspottedmugwump.363

4 жыл бұрын

John Eskins Their GTA V reviews main criticism was that its good to parody the violent gangster men but making all the women gold digging whores is muh misogyny. Even back in 2013 the guardian was a parody of leftist cukkery and fart sniffing superiority complex fuelled neurotic chodes.

@DieFlabbergast

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent comment, with the exception that you, personally, do not have the authority to determine -- much less dictate -- which word pairs (word-pairs?) are two separate words, which are hyphenated, and which have now become one word. Every word composed of two parts (and there are MANY of them) once went through the same process: most end up as single words. Get used to it.

@philipchambers4165

4 жыл бұрын

@@DieFlabbergast Thanks for your response. I would never try to 'dictate' anything to anyone. I leave that to the left. I was simply referencing the dictionary forms of right wing - none of which include the Grauniad format. When our socialist overlords have completed their work of destroying all truth and value and 'dictated' that 'rightwing' is the correct form I'll use it...reluctantly. Best wishes.

@philipchambers4165

4 жыл бұрын

@Nicolq Roberts Thank you. Much appreciated and quite correct. Best wishes.

Being a young, attractive woman does provide a bunch of benefits, some of which I hadn't even noticed at the time, as I hadn't experienced not being young and attractive yet. People are generally nice and accommodating, and that's not something that's to be taken lightly. It does not, however, confer the type of real or lasting benefits that money & influence & connections do. (One could get some of those things by selling oneself or by conning people, & some women do, but most don't want this sort of life, just as most men don't want to abuse women) It also provides some distinct challenges when people in positions of power over you either resent you or want things you don't want to give, which, fine, so long as they don't act on it, but some do, and that is a problem, especially when it's based on nothing but what you happen to be. Yes, if you play the game, you take your chances, but assuming a woman is playing the game based solely on her being young & attractive is a mistake made by too many people, IME. I t's a complicated subject, and going to extremes with it, (such as denigrating men, or demonizing women, or telling either that they are victims or oppressors just for existing) is not helpful to anyone.

@marisa7976

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think he's a bit off on the sexual power thing. It certainly exists and can help you in small matters but if you're pimping yourself out to get ahead... you're not exactly getting something for nothing. And of course, like you said, it's a double-edged sword. In my experience the female privileges i have have more to do with greater social etiquette and presumptions about women. People assume I'm more innocent, more well-meaning, kinder perhaps. People treat me more delicately and give me the benefit of the doubt more than my male counterparts. Many women find it infantilizing and demeaning, and it can definitely be a weakness in some situations. For several reasons I personally see it as a benefit but it all depends on how you look at it. It's so, so complicated. Not something to base your hatred of men or women on.

@patriciag6030

3 жыл бұрын

@@marisa7976 I totally agree. There's a lot of what Murray says that is spot on but I think his point about sexual power is way off the mark. He's assuming that young women in their teens (??) and early twenties want older men leering at them or that they get some sort of enjoyment out of wielding sexual power over them. Usually in these situations women are actually very uncomfortable and are just playing the game because they know that that's what they have to do to not rock the boat. The rich CEO still has the power in the situation at the end of the day, because even if he has a relationship with the woman, lavishes her with money and gifts or whatever else Murray assumes she gets out of it, he can still dump her when he gets bored and she will be left with nothing but a ruined reputation. If Murray's point was true upper management in corporations would be full of young attractive women because apparently older male CEOs are going to treat them better than their ugly male colleagues. That's obviously not true. I think Murray's male-centric bias is clearly showing when he talks about this particular issue and it's a shame because he hits the nail on the head on most other subjects.

@isobeldiaz6716

2 жыл бұрын

@@patriciag6030 Thank you for posting this, I totally agree with what you, Marisa and Unfilthy have said. I think Douglas Murray is very thoughtful and clear sighted on many topics, and a brilliant speaker, but here what he's saying doesn't seem to reflect the reality of male-female relationships in the workplace. Using sexual power to gain an advantage professionally is very risky. The benefits can be short lived, and it can backfire spectacularly for the woman in the ways you've described. I think what he's really illustrating in the example he gives is the power that comes with youth and attractiveness, not the power of being female per se. Let's take the case of a stunningly beautiful woman 20 year old woman applying for a job against a 27 year old man in front of a middle-aged male CEO. Being female might give her some advantage here. But what if it's a handsome, tall, 27 year old man up against a 45 year old woman? I wouldn't say that the woman's femininity confers her any advantage now, even if she happened to be stunningly beautiful when she was 20. What use is a form of power that only lasts as long as you're young and beautiful, assuming you were ever beautiful in the first place? Being young and attractive gives you power in any social setting, regardless of gender, that's definitely true. But that type of power isn't ultimately very valuable for women because it expires so quickly, and it's risky to act upon. I'd like to hear Douglas give more examples of scenarios where women wield special types of power that men don't possess to see if they're more convincing.

@lightgrey5365

2 жыл бұрын

to be young and pretty is weird because you have a huge power. you don't know what do with it. it's likely that you don't even know you have it. and if you don't use it on others, it can be used against you. very weird. it's like you have it, but it doesn't belong to you.

@lezbefriends4837

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, I thought that when I read his book. It's not power when a young woman is given things because an older powerful man wants to sleep with her. I was very attractive young woman but I am a lesbian and had no interest in men. Men can be all nice and want to give you things but they want something and if they don't get it there is consequences socially, financially ect if he doesn't get it. I didn't play that game and there was social consequences, while some women didn't mind and they did get stuff but there was a cost and it is only temporary.

I just finished 'The Madness of Crowds' today and thought it was a magnificently-argued antidote to the divisive creed that is doing so much damage in society today. This interview was the perfect compliment to it.

My late mother used to persistently describe a shade of very dark brown as "n****r brown". Was this because she was a screaming, hate-filled racist who hated brown people? Nope, far from it in fact: she didn't have a racist bone in her body and was firmly and fiercely in favour of race -equality. So why did she do it? Because she was born in 1923, that's why. She grew up in an age where furniture and paint companies used to routinely use the term, and she just soaked it up, unconciously, at the age where children are most impressionable. Ranting at her about being a racist would be totally counter-productive because she knew she wasn't, and so all you'd do is destroy your credibility in her eyes, which is presumably the exact opposite of what you wanted to achieve.

@b9y

4 жыл бұрын

But then the use of it constantly, without consciously trying to correct yourself, does air some superiority about it.

@MrHws5mp

4 жыл бұрын

@@b9y Well a couple of things. . Firstly, it wasn't 'constant', it was occasional. Discussions of shades of dark brown didn't happen that often. . Secondly, you have to remember that the modern fashion of being hyper-sensitive and micro-analysing everything you and everybody else says is just that: a MODERN fashion. It barely goes back more than 20 years. The n-word led the trend by some way, but even so, when I was correcting her about it in the 1990s, I was only just realising quite how much trouble you could get in for using it myself. Meanwhile mum, and all her peers, who she respected more than me, were 30-40 years older.

@catmac-91

3 жыл бұрын

You don't have to have a go at her. But to calmly explain to her why those terms aren't used any more would be an appropriate response. It's not difficult or offensive.

@MrHws5mp

3 жыл бұрын

@@catmac-91 Which is what I repeatedly did, but never underestimate the shift of power-dynamic neccessary for a traditional parent to admit than their kid is right and they're wrong. Also don't underestimate the degree to which old people deal with a changing world by dismissing inconvenient changes as a 'silly passing fad'. I eventually made her see it, but it took years, and several practical examples of consequences, before she got it, and even then, I'm not sure whether she really agreed or just felt bullied into it.

@anj5901

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao but maybe I should start calling you and your mother’s pink shade of skin “coloniser white”

Douglas Murray is an impeccable observer of these times. Fantastic stuff.

@daveerwin6981

4 жыл бұрын

Douglas knows that our mistake was to give identities like women and blacks the vote. Now they want more and more and we have the identity politics crowd to contend with now. We never started this madness. We never ever structured society according to identity. Okay years ago we stopped them voting and owning things a long long time ago. But they're ok now. But they want more and more. And some of us aren't even as powerful as some of them now.

@daveerwin6981

4 жыл бұрын

Give them an inch, they take a yard!!!

@margueritezoe

4 жыл бұрын

@@daveerwin6981: You clearly understand nothing of Marxism, Critical Theory, or Postmodernism if that is your take. You're looking only at the surface, unable to perceive the trees because you're too focused on the forest. As Mr. Murray clearly says in this very video, "young people do not come into the world with an understanding of history," etc. They trust their elders, and when their elders feed them a bunch of B.S. -- including revised history and distorted data -- they buy into it. Especially in a culture that has already been eroded of all traditional structures designed to impart meaning and stability in life. The only major mistake white people or men made -- nearly a century ago now -- was in allowing Marxist subversives into our Western universities. "Give me four years to teach the youth, and the seeds I have sewn shall never be uprooted." -- Vladimir Lenin If you are white _and_ male _and_ heterosexual, you are obviously getting it from every angle, and I understand why you would be resentful AF, and rightly so. But you might try digging more thoroughly into history, particularly the history of communism and the history of ideas, to ensure you're directing that resentment at the right people. You also might want to try a more considered approach when it comes to understanding human nature in general. All people, regardless of identity, will vote against the people they feel are threatening them (whites and men are no exception). And all types of identities can be susceptible to brainwashing. When those two rules are put together by people who are obsessed with taking power, what do think is going to happen? They're going to brainwash certain people into feeling threatened, so they can put them against other groups -- for the sole purpose of preventing them from banding together against those who seek power at any cost. So more rhetoric that directly alienates women and minorities as a whole will backfire, as it only serves to lend credence to the Marxist lies. In any democratic system -- where the number of votes is really all that counts -- it's foolish and counterproductive. Marxists gain their power by dividing and conquering; why would you want to help them? Much better to _defeat_ them, and the only way to do that is for people to _unite_ along lines of shared ideology and principals that are fair for all -- not to divide themselves up even more according to immutable physical characteristics. All that's going to do is bring authoritarianism down on _all_ our heads. Lastly, you may wish to look more directly at the stats. About 50% of white female voters voted for Trump in 2016, and 50% or more of male voters voted the Dems back into the House in 2018. Nor does the Democratic party consist solely of women and people of color -- anymore than the Republican party consists solely of white men. Now just imagine if we had schools that focused on education instead of indoctrination... and a media that wasn't utterly corrupt and whose sole function wasn't to manipulate people under the guise of "news.". _That_ is where the real problem lies....

@seth5143

2 жыл бұрын

@@margueritezoe I realize I'm replying to a comment from 2 years ago but I'd actually suggest that these problems begin in homes. The degradation of moral values. Overworked parents using iPads and TikTok as babysitters when the internet is the worst babysitter a child can have. It's disgusting what degenerate filth these children are being exposed to (often at night when they should be sleeping) and the parents don't even realize it because their attention spans are practically nonexistent because they also stare at colorful screens all day. This will never stop if we don't turn this tech abuse around and that's just one of the problems. It's the one which concerns me the most because it's simplifying people's perceptions of reality into this tribalistic gladiator show.

As a non-native speaker of English who has lived five years in London, listening to such a gentleman is honey to my ears.

I almost died when he says 'salami slicing isn't quite the right metaphor' when broaching the topic of transsexualism 🤣

@BridgesOnBikes

4 жыл бұрын

Le Ténia Douglas is cheeky AF.

@jcz232321

4 жыл бұрын

Me too............I literally LOL'd!!!!!!! I'm glad I wasn't drinking coffee.

I could listen to Douglas all day, so rational and calm, so refreshing in today's high drama world

I could listen to Douglas Murray talk for days.

In my 20's I was very attractive but didn't flaunt it, it wasn't a "personality trait" and there were a couple of times when men pointed out where I could have taken advantage of a situation, actually confused why I didn't take advantage, and I used to reply jokingly "I use my power for good not evil" but even back then I wasn't really aware of "my power" I was just aware that I wasn't like women who strutted around looking beautiful but had no substance or intelligence or were some of the ugliest people on the inside.

@n0odles86

8 ай бұрын

Lmao, humble brag

@beebee1676

8 ай бұрын

@n0odles86 haha I guess. When people give you attention bc of your looks you can't ignore it but you can choose to develop your personality or rely on something superficial, something that eventually fades. Sadly young women now are more likely to join only fans or be an "instagram model" for money. Looking attractive doesn't make you a "better" person, it can corrupt a person, men too. Egos can be really ugly with a pretty face

Douglas Murray is one of the great minds of our time. Bless his soul for being a voice for us.

"Woke chieftain of the universe." Oh man, that's the greatest title I've ever heard

I'm a mom of 2 boys and sick of prejudice and discrimination against white males

I love how he engages with the interviewers like they're his friends; laughing with them

Another brilliant podcast with the man whom we should all be tremendously grateful to. Love the levity of the show makes it so enjoyable to listen to. Top drawer.

**Googles 'white couple' [for the first time ever, I might add]** He's not wrong...

@BlackQback

4 жыл бұрын

I was surprised to see that even DuckDuckGo does that. And it wasn't just that, upon searching "happy straight white couples", I got only 1 of first 20 results that depicted a smiling white couple, but the overwhelming rest of results were pics of interracial gay porn. It felt a bit like "Here! In your face, you white bigot!". Startpage search engine delivered most accurate images (but otherwise it's a relatively weak search engine, when you need to look up all sorts or regular stuff, like... doctors in your vicinity, or art movements of 19th century, etc.).

@stephenlyne5937

4 жыл бұрын

Google "Great civilizations"

@Raahiba

4 жыл бұрын

@@stephenlyne5937 The results of that search made me laugh out loud. I'm very glad to learn more about Africa's civilisations, but I don't think one TV show should dominate such a general search.

@BlackQback

4 жыл бұрын

@@stephenlyne5937 Google "When did slavery first start in the world?"

@markwilson2421

4 жыл бұрын

Google white inventor

Utterly lovely Mr Douglas Murray, Yay! 🙏💎💜

Ive been saying for 30 years now that stand up comedians are the last true voice of the people. this is even more true in the last ten years. What a sad state our society has got to. Definitely keep on keeping you pair of legends x

The Trudeau mansplain is so much worse, he said "we like to say *peoplekind* now." Not even a word.

@BboyKeny

4 жыл бұрын

Trudeau is a tyrant

@honkytonk4465

4 жыл бұрын

@@BboyKeny we like to say idiot.

@peteroreilly8060

4 жыл бұрын

He is just a silly kid in a man's body

@Captain_MonsterFart

4 жыл бұрын

I"m pretty sure he was just trying to make a joke and it fell flat. Everyone is losing their shit over it when it was probably intended as a throwaway comment.

@BboyKeny

4 жыл бұрын

@@Captain_MonsterFart usually I have a good sense of humor when spoken not typed, poe's law gets me more often than I would like to admit. Even woke humor I get. To me it sounded serious in the clip. But you never know.

This was probably the best episode yet. So happy you guys have got a sponsor and so happy that a brand like Hello Fresh is able to be mature enough to put their name against such important conversations rather than bowing to the mob. If I ever take up one of the delivery ingredient services it will definitely be them now.

"That would be the thing that would tell you they're a fucking maniac." LOL!!! You can never go wrong in a Douglas Murray interview - EVER. Looking forward to Mark Steyn next ... but thanks guys, this was great. xx

i read a guardian review trashing Murray's book then at the bottom the book was advertised as available at the guardian book shop🤦‍♂️.

@Showbizboy

4 жыл бұрын

Derek Ketcher Tells you all you need to know about that newspaper!

@rrozoff1

4 жыл бұрын

How characteristically Guardianesque.

@francojosemuertes4273

4 жыл бұрын

i don't see the problem. isn't this the "free speech / make up your own mind / evil leftis always deplatform us"-thing dudes on the Internet are freaking out about all of the time?

@buddingnaturalist

4 жыл бұрын

@@francojosemuertes4273 No it's rank hypocrisy. Y'know, the thing the left keeps accusing capitalists of. Oh Wait-maybe selling a product you've just demeaned doesn't fit that mould. Oh wait. It does.

@davidgeorge3132

4 жыл бұрын

The Guardian has so little credibility trashing the book is certain to help it become a world wide best seller.

My husband explained to me about guys being creepy male feminists in order to get laid 25 years ago😂😂😭

Douglas is brilliant I hope his book brings some common sense back to the world for those who need, some of us have gone collectedly mad

@brother1ray

4 жыл бұрын

He's clever enough to know that Ad Hominen attacks do not valid criticism make...……...which is more than some, anyway, Pmsl!!!

Thanks guys and thanks Douglas, it was a brilliant and much needed discussion. I’m genuinely really worried with what’s going on at moment and how this ideology is influencing society at all levels, from politics to popular culture and to everyday life. For the last couple of years I’ve been hesitant to express my opinion with friends and in the public domain on a range of topics for fear of being labelled as some evil stereotype. This sheepish cowardice is incredible dangerous, for ones ideas can’t be thrashed out in a discussion and you can’t evolve your ideas, see where I’m wrong, see where I’m right or learn something completely new that I would have never discovered if I had never bounced the ideas back and forth. I’m still incredible worried for the future but having discussions such this is reassuring

Douglas’s voice is like mana for your brain and his insights are razor sharp and wonderful.

Douglas is an eminently decent man. His point about assuming that others’ motives are good is the most important point in this exchange.

There's a dimension that I think Mr Murray misses (or cut, for brevity) about everyone being so trigger-happy with the accusations for racism: the little people like a taste of power that comes with very little consequence. Tell them that you can hurt someone by calling them a racist and that you will be congratulated for doing so and see how many people pick up that gun.

❤️ THIS MAN. I could listen to him all day.

Listening to this man is always a joy.

You honest to god had me until 22:53, in which I was screaming "IT'S NOT GENDER EXCLUSIVE. TED BUNDY. TED BUNDY. TED BUNDY!!!" Dude literally used his looks and charm to fool a MALE JUDGE and most of the population at the time. That's the Pretty Person Power dude. Ain't strictly for women.

He resents the re-racialization of society, this is spot on. Having taken onboard MLK’s message of content of character vs color of skin, it’s disturbing to see the world slipping backwards. Race was something that was supposed to matter less as time went on. Now it’s the only thing that matters, it would seem.

@brother1ray

4 жыл бұрын

That exactly!

Yes, we've been noticing things alright...

"The Madness of Crowds" is brilliant yet a bit depressing simultaneously. After reading Madness, I suggest a fantastic satire "Woke: A Guide to Social Justice" to laugh instead of cry 😛

@mattcarman855

4 жыл бұрын

@Jake T Yes, I started it and must finish it. Not a feel good book at all

@FuckGoogle2

4 жыл бұрын

Woke and how to cook with it.

@margueritezoe

4 жыл бұрын

Shall I take that to mean he foresees no reason for optimism over the long haul, nor any solutions as to how to this demonic "woke" crowd can be put back to sleep? You know, other than that conservatives need to get off our collective arses and organize like the Left does? Starting with doing something about this madness being perpetuated in the schools, which are supported by our taxpayer money? Because if optimism is predicated upon that ever happening, I agree... there is no hope.

@lyscdk9788

4 жыл бұрын

Woke is hilarious 😂

@buddingnaturalist

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Ray Gun (youtube) did a musical on that. Pretty funny.

The point Douglas makes about people starting to notice inconsequential things that previously they wouldn't have noticed really struck a cord. I'm getting to the point with various media that include recurring themes and motifs that in a previous time I am fairly sure I wouldn't have noticed, or even if I had I wouldn't have cared about, that I no longer can enjoy what is being presented because the meta narrative across all the different entertainment I used to enjoy is destroying my immersion.

Can't wait to hear Douglas! Always a pleasure! 😊👏

Thank you so much Trigger lads for providing me with the only remaining Douglas Murray content that I haven’t devoured yet ❤❤❤

Being a young woman means getting sexually harassed from the age of 13, while you’re still in school uniform. Men trying to get sex out of you any way they can, guilt tripping, intoxicating you, making you feel like you “owe” them. Such an empowering experience.

@kseniyarosina2357

2 жыл бұрын

I have thought the same thing perhaps on the same timestamp, he does have a point though - solely with the argument of over correction. It shouldn’t be the norm to objectify young girls, not young women. Well, perhaps show business should for once stop equate being overly sexual with female empowerment. It should stop being the norm on all levels

@BgAndrew100

Жыл бұрын

it's the same with any resourse. wheather you are famous, or rich, a lot of people want something from you.

I read TMOC over the weekend. It is another awesome book by Douglas.

Such a good interview. I was in hysterics. You really made it intimate and got him comfortable.. he’s a funny guy, and you made him laugh 👌🏻

@val_ist

4 жыл бұрын

I've actually realised among my leftist acquaintances that the more political people are, the more rigid, boringly serious and humourless they are. Despite the fact that they still retain some visual element of the punk outfit (coloured hair, piercing, doc marteens) they are so easily offended by anything that goes against their stiff SJW ideas, whereas the whole idea of punk was to provocate and offend. Hoist by his own petard!

Murray: Wisely avoids the salami-slicing metaphor for discussing trans issues.

@ivanengel8887

4 жыл бұрын

This comment deserves more

@itcamefromthedeep

4 жыл бұрын

Rather, he deftly does - not - avoid the salami-slicing metaphor while having appeared to avoid it.

@bungy007

4 жыл бұрын

And a stony silence from the panel. You've got to laugh when silence speaks volumes.

Triggernometry has turned into my BBC breakfast in the mornings

2019 is a mash up movie of Monty Python and Black Mirror where one of the white male actors accidentally says Judean People's Front instead of The People's Front of Judea but instead of everyone having a bit of a laugh about the absurdity of insisting there's some stark, important difference between the two titles the movie suddenly takes a dark unnervingly cold shift as the knives come out and the actor is hunted down and persecuted to ruin by a mob of deranged brainwashed zealots who hound every straight white male they can as some moral sport with the help of an Orwellian social credit system.

@Xceloverdose

4 жыл бұрын

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!!

@redraven1604

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, pretty much.

@babooshka1963

4 жыл бұрын

My head went there too

@megmartel6005

4 жыл бұрын

They were prophetic

@babooshka1963

4 жыл бұрын

@@megmartel6005 weren't they just ❣

The Madness of Crowds is a modern masterpiece.

I've just google searched what Douglas was saying. It's been three years since this talk, and what he was saying still holds true.

We love you Murray ❤❤❤❤❤❤

Just tried the Google image search thing and Douglass is absolutely right.

@beastvicious8672

4 жыл бұрын

It's been like that for a long time. A couple months ago it was only interacial people showing up. Now they atleast have some europeans in there too.

@Macheako

4 жыл бұрын

Fearch 93 lollipop covering their tracks

@useodyseeorbitchute9450

4 жыл бұрын

For google defence, the not manipulated answer according to duckduckgo tend to be still somewhat ethnically mixed and NSFW. :D

@Macheako

4 жыл бұрын

@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 lol so you DEFEND seach providers manually changing the results....YOU searched for? Yall some pussies lol get off the internet 😂

@heyheyhey0220

4 жыл бұрын

Now search "couple"

“Salami slicing is not the right metaphor” LMFAO

i don''t always agree with Douglas but I admire his intelligence and bravery in speaking out about these topics. I am Irish living in Buenos Aires and today I made a comment below a video on KZread showing people marching for freedom in London yesterday Sat 24.04.21. I said I was Irish and had lived in London very happily for many years and that this was the British spirit that I knew and loved. Today I received a message saying I couldn''t be Irish because if I were I wouldn''t have said that. What???

I love Murray! I’m so excited for this interview.

@eleveneleven572

4 жыл бұрын

The intelligent gays are a treasure..... Murray, Milo, Starkey, Dave Rubin. Same goes for the likes of Karen Straughn on the female side.

@addicted2p0rn

4 жыл бұрын

@@eleveneleven572 I used to like that drivel. Then I realized whites are the only ones who listen to it. You might not care about identity politics but identity politics cares about you.

@carolmcln5028

4 жыл бұрын

gringots they just might not be aware of Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, And Walter Williams...

@addicted2p0rn

4 жыл бұрын

@@carolmcln5028 1 in 201 rounds to zero percent. Identity politics is inevitable. You can refuse to play the game but you will lose.

@carolmcln5028

4 жыл бұрын

@@addicted2p0rn Um. Ok. Whatever....

Nice to see your channel finally getting more and more traction.

I agree with a lot of things you said. Just a couple of questions: What if a female, dressed professionally, when dealing with an older male, does not want the 'advantage' but rather would like to be seen for the work she does and the resources she brings to work? What if, the younger female just wants to be appreciated for her hard work and mind?

@sageoverheaven

3 жыл бұрын

Goes on to show that inequality will exist no matter what. We need to stop trying to repress it. The reverse is often true-what if the cis-white man wants to be seen for his work and not his privilege? This goes both ways; the one thing I agree with Social Sciences about is that people are inherently biased. That's where my agreement stops. What's needed is discipline, internal and external. Not coddling, not accommodation, not acknowledgement, but rigid standards. Those who weather the storm are the capable who are worthy of power.

@mskerrykemp

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I like DM but it’s a lazy comparison. I’ve been sexualised since I was 10. Never wanted it.. don’t think I’m powerful. In fact it’s meant a lifetime of powerless scenarios and being sexually harassed and assaulted in every job I’ve ever had.

@marianm4464

Жыл бұрын

You know exactly what kind of woman he's talking about so I don't understand why you're making it about yourselves.

@n0odles86

8 ай бұрын

​@@marianm4464they're the type he's talking about lmao. Sensitive lil roses

@n0odles86

8 ай бұрын

You get on and do your ruddy job. You wanna be seen as an equal in your work? Do what men do and get on with it. stop whining about imagined slights. Men don't automatically get it easy; they're judged in a multitude of ways.

Thank you for this. Douglas Murray is brilliant and so are you guys.

YAY, the London Orwell That Ends Well show will be happening during my trip to London! Just bought a ticket -- this Canadian is super excited to see you guys!

Such a clever and articulate man 👍

He's right old people now own most of the houses, young people can't afford them.

I never really really understood white anglophone culture and appreciated it until I spent a lot of time in another culture which hadn't achieved some of the great things we achieved long ago. Suddenly I was so deeply appreciative of my own wider culture and saw our greatness thought the eyes of all the people overseas who have admired our achievements and followed our lead for decades or longer. We truly are a great civilisation and I am proud to be a part of it 😊

Re cuttlefish, and Creepy Male Feminists. This is known in Ev-Psych as 'The Sneaky Fucker Strategy'

@bizarro20daves

4 жыл бұрын

I think that is Bret Weinstein's term

@AURORA08A

4 жыл бұрын

@@bizarro20daves i got it from watching Gad Saad years back. I believe it predates him in ev-psych literature.

@bizarro20daves

4 жыл бұрын

@@AURORA08A good to know. Thanks for the info.

@omp199

4 жыл бұрын

@@bizarro20daves Oh, there's one.

16:56 'salami slicing'. It is the right metaphor. lol

I'm listening to this again over 2 years after the initial podcast. Boy oh boy you 3 had no idea what was to happen just a few months later. Now the correction has to begin in earnest.

I don't know what to be happier about... Murray releasing a new book or Murray doing tons of interview because he released a new book.

I was a young teen when Jimi Hendrix died. His death was on the main news. I was playing in the garden with my dog. My mum shouted me and said, “That fella’s died, the one you like: (which one mum?) y’know, the one with all the hair.” No mention of colour. It didn’t come into our minds. Drip drip over the decades.

I agreed with everything Murray said until he spoke about men in their 40's, 50's, and 60's being completely undone by beautiful women 1/2 or 1/3 of their age. I can understand it with teenaged or even college-aged boys, but I would hope that once men reach middle age, they stop tripping over themselves to drool like dogs over sexy young women. If they still do, I view that as a personal failure on their part, rather than the young girl possessing some innate, objective, omnipotent, all-consuming "power"--and no, many young women are NOT fully cognizant of this so-called power over men their father's age, who they would probably expect to be more mature rather than out-of-control horn dogs! There is quite a lot of projection going on to assume that all teenaged girls are fully developed, deliberate temptresses--and it represents a sad destruction of innocence for young girls to be totally objectified in this way. I also think it is wrong to assume that all men operate like this, because I know plenty who do not and who value women as unique individuals rather than some overpowering sexual force. I think that if you are that much of a mindless slave to your sex organs well into middle age, it's not the girl/woman's fault but your own. Bearing in mind that women are only in their later teens/early 20's for a few years, whereas the successful older man is probably wealthy for decades with lots of influence, status, perhaps creating legal policy, etc. Saying that he has less power than she does is a cop out and failure to act mature and take responsibility for his own actions and personal impact on the dynamic.

@brother1ray

4 жыл бұрын

Murray never said anything of the sort! He said only that young beautiful women 'may' have a power of seduction over foolish older men, that is not replicated elsewhere...…...the whole "Sugar Daddy" culture that SOME young women exploit would be testimony to that! I agree it is repulsive and a weakness in men old enough to know better, but like Murray points out, it is no less real for all that!

"The re-racialisation of society is making people notice". Thanks intersectionality, thanks a bunch.

@enggopah

4 жыл бұрын

It's making people of different races less comfortable interacting.

@expressionofwill5307

4 жыл бұрын

@@skankindjedi IDK mate Idris Elba seems very English to me, so does Anthony Joshua, Raheem Kassam, and Maajid Nawaz. English as a language and a cultural identity are far more important than English as an ethnicity. I would feel a lot more in common with a Pakistani English speaking Liberal than i would a White British Nazi or communist. People are a lot more worried about a cultural shift, and no one speaking English and different ideas about social norms and etiquette i think.

@expressionofwill5307

4 жыл бұрын

@@skankindjedi Culture is just an idea, if someone accepts the basic values, speaks the language, observes the social etiquette and passes them on, then the culture survives. I do get to pick and choose who i interact with, that's part of the problem (if like the left you consider freedom a problem). You can't interact with people effectively if they A) don't speak your language and B) Don't Observe your social norms, and so i would choose not to bother trying to interact where i might otherwise. Your blood and soil argument is as much a foreign conception of culture as anything else i can think of. Yes we have a cultural inheritance, which should be protected and appreciated, the best way to do that is to share it and argue the case for how we do things and not make it exclusionary from anyone who wants part of it. If a white British guys grandfather was a member of the revolutionary socialist party and my grandfather a Thatcherite what does it matter that we come from the same ethnic background? I'd much rather spend time with the Indian Restaurant owner who values the protections on property rights under a liberal democracy. The way you conceive of culture is weak, the more people you can fit under your umbrella, who can operate at a decent level of trust with minimal freeloading and as many people behaving in a "normal fashion" as possible (with flex for creativity) the greater a culture it is, that is how Christianity spread far and wide, it was for anyone who accepted a few basic ideas and rituals, everything else didn't matter. The church is 2Bn strong and transcends nations, would you claim Christianity doesn't have a distinctive culture surrounding it? I will grant you the umbrella of British culture is spread to wide and the ideas that make it up have been deconstructed heavily, and we are in trouble unless we do something about it.

@expressionofwill5307

4 жыл бұрын

@Dokkasan I agree partially. Large Muslim communities are not integrating well and net migration from non-eu countries is at a crazy all time high. But, their are large numbers of Muslims who have integrated well, who don't feel morally bound to make sure they marry Muslims, who don't subscribe to a patriarchal honour culture etc... So the problem is with the British immigration system as far as I'm concerned, and with our institutions that are supposed to be promoting British culture. Middle Eastern cultures have extremely an extremely strong sense of identity, down to the local tribe level. In Afghanistan the stories they tell their children go back to the battle of the Kabul River bridge in 1879 against the British, they are very proud of their history. We are not. And that's part of the problem. The speed of the immigration is the problem, the concentration of migrants in specific areas is a problem and the lack of faith in our nation and our history is a problem. Middle Eastern Muslims can accept British culture and westernise, but we have to present a good argument for them to do so. If we go on the religious texts in the hadiths or the Qur'an alone we could say "according to this they will never accept our culture" but then we could also say the same about Judaism to a certain degree, the difference is the path they've they have followed in progressing their beliefs because their religious stories depicting constant progress. Islamic theologians have the same opportunity if we can convince them that the direction western civilisations have progressed in is broadly a good thing.

Such a high quality man on a high quality channel with high quality presenters. Really intellectually stimulating.

It really is unbelievable the rights that have been taken from us. We live in a very dark time and it will only get worse. Thank you Douglas Murray for your efforts

Douglas Murray speaks so much truth here, brilliant video 👍 I can’t wait to read his book after this! Honestly this has been one of my favourite guests and interviews- thanks for continuing to make these vitality needed videos guys 👌

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Brilliant interview 👍 Thank you for continuing to have these desperately needed discussions, with sensible honest people. Great channel ❤️❤️

Douglas is spot on with this “not equal but better” thing. I noticed this a while back and i now see if faurky often in SJWisms. I first read it in my local paper here in Texas, where the author wrote something like “as long as black and Latino students are below white students in the achievement gap, white supremacy and systemic racism will be a problem.” This was glaring to me. I even called my friend and we discussed the implication. Because what it seems to clearly imply is first, the racial groups above whites on these metrics are not victims of white supremacy, nor are whites a victim of say Asian or Jewish supremacy. The fact that whites are around the center of the gap chart and not the top doesn’t matter to these people, they speak as if whites are at the top and ignore the rest. But so, the implication is that if whites are not TIED WITH OR BELOW THE BOTTOM OF ANY GIVEN SOCIO-ECONOMIC METRIC, THEN RACISM IS PRESENT. Aka, either whites are at the bottom or Racism is afoot. Once you know this is the game, you see it in many other things. “Diversity” in various sectors is not aiming for population parity, it’s aiming for a white minority. The Harvard case with the Asians, whites are already UNDER represented at Harvard and blacks are OVER represented. And yet they still discriminate to get more black students even though the population parity would be like 13% and they have 17% black students. I’ve seen crowds of leftists cheer and applaud the mention of America’s future white minority status: Shit like this, shows their underlying agenda, if not explicitly, then in a thin veil of barely trying to hide the logical ending of their aims. And all of this is purely hypocritical and rife with double standards. The same applies between women and men.

@brother1ray

4 жыл бұрын

The racism card has been played to death to explain away bad individual choices and behaviour: if Blacks over represent in the prison population, it's racism; if Blacks underachieve in education it's racism; if most Black kids grow up without fathers, it's racism too strangely, and if Chinese and Japanese kids OUT-perform whites in education, then it's "their culture of learning" that gets the credit, LOL!! I agree with the last one, but why doesn't "Black culture" get the credit for what it produces too, eh ??

I take issue with Douglas over the women thing: I'm a woman and I have never knowingly wielded sexual power. Maybe I'm not attractive enough? Outside of extreme beauty, many women, like me, had no clue when we were younger. Some of us wanted to be seen for the people we are and still do. Also, many women these days unwillingly wind up single and without children ... where does that leave his theory exactly?

@clairedoylebooks

4 жыл бұрын

Also ignores the really hot guys - OK maybe not so many of them, because they need a degree of intelligence and social skills to make it with women - who have fantastic control over women. A few of these men don't actually realise the power they have. I think Douglas is quite off topic here - as if we don't intuitively know when someone is full of bullshit. We do. We choose to ignore it. Our problem, not theirs.

@ellie698

3 жыл бұрын

It shows more about the male mind, specifically how HE thinks than it does about young women and girls. I had no idea old guys were perving on me. Looking back now I realise these things, I'm horrified by that. Did I ever play them or use that supposed "power"? No way! I would have just looked down on them as sad, deluded and pathetic to be thinking with their dicks I had no idea. I assumed they were looking at me as a person in the way that I was only looking at them as a person. Nothing more than that. I was clearly giving them far too much credit 🙄

He's right!! I just googled 'white couples.' They were all black/white.

@bonsai9069

4 жыл бұрын

Simone Streeter now do the same but type in lesbian couple, gay couple and the straight couple.

@tanst99fl

4 жыл бұрын

Type in "American Inventors"

Looking forward to this, the last interview was great but inevitably left me wanting more. Keep at it Douglas!

Guys, this has to be one of your best guests so far. I am biased because I adore Douglas, he's the thinking mans crumpet!

Great interview! I love listening to Douglas Murray he always has such a unique perspective. His new book is even better than his last which I didn’t think was possible.

First time landed on this channel and really enjoyed the discussion. Please keep it going on.

What a pleasure it is to listen to a man of this calibre.

Fabulous discussion. I was once a woman in my late teens/early 20s - re power being wielded, I was vaguely aware of it at the time but did not 'wield' it. That may be an important difference. Also, the favour I received (in retrospect) only translated to an extension on assignments and papers, never beating (non childbearing) males to great jobs.

Imagine if attractive young women had all this power and changed society already? Oh this teenage army of attractive females hasn't changed the systems of power? GOSH! COLOUR ME SHOCKED. I thought they had so MUCH DAMN POWER?

Let me explain why when you search for images of a "white couple" you get a lot of black or interracial couples. (It doesn't matter which search engine you use, the results are similar.) It's not because of "socially engineered algorithms" - it is because search engine bots cannot 'see' pictures. They categorize the picture due to its 'alt tag'. The alt tag is placed by the person uploading the picture to the Internet. So if enough people post pictures of a black or interracial couples with the alt tag 'white couple', as far as the search engine is concerned it is a picture of a white couple. Yes, the results may be socially engineered and distorted, but not by Google, or Bing, DuckDuckGo, or whatever. This applies to all image searches on search engines. If you want to find out who doing this, trace the mis-tagged picture back to its website and webmaster. Bingo!

Funnily Enough, uve just had an advert fro Amnesty International half eay through this video. Tofu eaters? Waut till Mr Murray sees that! 🤣🤣

Thinker, speaker, writer - top of his game in all fields.

“Make her drool” - With the new feminists, a box of a dozen cupcakes should do the trick.

@hariseldon3786

4 жыл бұрын

don't body shame me!!! (But let society pay for my health care...)

@RikimaruNobunaga

4 жыл бұрын

Douglas is a legend.

@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186

4 жыл бұрын

Women drool over money, not money that they'll have to earn themselves, but money they can get from a man.

@buddingnaturalist

4 жыл бұрын

@@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186 Citation required.

@BlackQback

4 жыл бұрын

@@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186 Well, women drool over stuff, and money pays for stuff. And men are good at inventing/building/making stuff or making money. Up until (human history-wise) recently, there was a tidy arrangement between sexes - women getting stuff and men getting some. Women working (earning money) kinda spoilt all that.

Women don’t always “put in the air” their sexiness. That would imply that if you aren’t in a hijab you are actively trying to be sexy. Yes sometimes women are actively “being sexy” on purpose but plenty of women don’t play the “sex game” yet are still found attractive by men. I think these are 2 different cases and shouldn’t be treated the same

@satelliteinc.6767

3 жыл бұрын

agreed

@carmaela2689

2 жыл бұрын

I never heard him say they always do this.

what i find fascinating about the "now it's our turn" argument is that it wasn't them who were the ones who had to fight for the rights they were owed, it was people before them who are most likely not even alive anymore, and who weren't even related to them in any way, and there was no will that said they inherited the fruits of the fight. you might be able to make the case that the people who did the fighting get to have their turn, maybe, but not people who weren't even there. no, it's not your turn. be grateful for the brave people who fought, so you could enjoy your rights. you didn't have to suffer the way they did. i just find it perplexing that the above sentiment is so powerful.

Fantastic interview all around! Thanks, gents.! I wished I was in the UK for your live show. All the best 😊

I’m a straight white female. We need more Douglas Murrays on this planet!

@tonycatman

4 жыл бұрын

You are subconsciously buying into the narrative of the gaytriarchy.

Douglas “the Cuttlefish” Murray and Jordan “the Lobster” Peterson

@francojosemuertes4273

4 жыл бұрын

comparing complex human social structures to mating behavior of fish. but yeah, of course SJWs are the ones oversimplifying the world.

@95maferisturiz

4 жыл бұрын

Ahahahhaha, how pathetic

@95maferisturiz

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, the pathetic one is you

love the energy in this interview, thanks guys. ... and so much still to discuss a whole year and more later...

I will never call a pervert man in a dress a woman. I will go to prison first. Those pervert thieves need to fuck off.

So i googled what douglas said to google and i am trully disturbed. Surely this cant continue

@francois4041

4 жыл бұрын

White couple is generally tagged as ‘couple’, whereas black couple is generally tagged as ‘black couple’. Do a search for ‘couple’. Whiteys galore

@markwilson2421

4 жыл бұрын

@@francois4041 why is it that when you put that in another search engine you get a different result also try put in white inventor

@Beastinvader

4 жыл бұрын

@@francois4041 True. But why would adding "white" give you pictures of black people?

@stephenparry6811

4 жыл бұрын

@@francois4041 true but about 90%

@sugarfreegum123

3 жыл бұрын

@@Beastinvader "As it turns out, when people post images of white couples, they tend to say only "couples" & not provide a race. But when there are mixed couples, then "white" gets mentioned." In other words, white is the default. This 'couples' search PROVES the systemic racism we have in Western culture.

It is not "over correction". It really isn't. It is the harassment and aggression and oppression levelled at a certain demographic for so-called 'sins of the fathers' in which they had no involvement whatsoever. In this case it is the classic two-wrongs argument as well as being the blaming of innocents because they belong to the group demographic that allegedly perpetrated actions - as a group.

Fantastic and much needed conversation. So much I couldn’t say as a woman in medical research who doesn’t play the sexy game to exchange for publication.

Terrific interview . Douglas Murray is such an interesting speaker. He reminds me very much in looks and mannerisms of the actor Anton Lesser.