Hayden really lucked out on the fact that Doomguy decided to make a back up of VEGA. Eternal literally wouldn't have happened if Doomguy didnt keep him

@horrorfan117

4 жыл бұрын

Makes me wonder why the Slayer left VEGA behind on Urdak.

@nivaldomonte5441

4 жыл бұрын

horrorfan117 wait, you sure? Because maybe that makes things right

@emetanti

4 жыл бұрын

@@horrorfan117 He didn´t have a backup chance this time around.

@whocares6299

4 жыл бұрын

Slayer*

@L3ON360Z

4 жыл бұрын

@@horrorfan117 this might be explored in the DLC with Vega now becoming Father?

Doom has one of my favorite lores in video games, hearing legends about Doomguy and the history about certain weapons is fascinating to me

@_V.Va_

4 жыл бұрын

And people have the nerve to bitch about the lore.

@thatonedoge6394

4 жыл бұрын

Wassup

@GlazesRaV

3 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way👌

@Nbomber

3 жыл бұрын

Its somehow so detailed and yet so sparse at the same time. The devs and storywriters obviously poured over the details to the enth degree, and produced an amazing lore. Yet you could play the whole game and miss 99% of it. Its the amazing subtlety, that gives it such depth.

I see many people say that one voice actor voicing two characters doesn’t have much significance because it happens all the time. But generally when this happens those 2 characters don’t sound alike. But as for Samuel and the seraphim, they sound pretty similar as well as using almost identical lines.

@juiceimus

4 жыл бұрын

And we know that The Seraphim's name is Samur, which is way to close to Samuel to be a coincidence. Plus we know that The Seraphim stole The Father, and when VEGA is inserted into Urdak he asks "Am I the father, Dr. Hayden?". Why would Samuel have The Father with him? Everything lines up to Samuel Hayden being The Seraphim.

@AzraelSoulHunter

4 жыл бұрын

It explains ALOT about Hayden and his really vast knowledge.

@metalrain300

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Wiech we can assume that he teleported doom slayer to the fortress of doom or perhaps to a realm that the fortress in. It doesn’t look that fast so it would make sense it would take awhile to get to earth.

@GrimmShadowsII

4 жыл бұрын

Also games that have people playing multiple characters tend to be low budget games that have 3 or 4 actors so they each voice 3 or 4 characters. Doom is a big budget game and since there's only two actors that play 2 characters you can't help but think there's a connection there.

Another thing, we know that the consciousness of a Khan isn't born into it. The body is created first and then the collective consciousness of Urdak is transferred into this body. This implies that the Maykr have the ability to move the soul from one medium to another, from digital, to a living form. This makes sense, as Hayden has done something similar. Most of his brain is gone, only the bits needed for emotional processing are there, with all of his actual memories and logic circuits being replaced with a digital matrix. So there is every possibility that the Hayden we see in 2016, isn't actually the original human. At the time of his operation to become a cyborg, the man was already over 100 years old. He could be a clone, created by Samur and had his consciousness transferred from his Maykr body, to this human body.

@seeknprotect6179

4 жыл бұрын

The Makyrs got everything together to create a new Khan now. You find the new body that should have replaced the old Khan Makyr. All that was missing is Vega

@Jarpington

4 жыл бұрын

Remember when it was just about killin demons and saving the world?

@seeknprotect6179

4 жыл бұрын

Thunder Noriety - all it is is a floaty monster in Mountain Dew and a codex entry, you can totally ignore it and be fine.

@brosiii2558

4 жыл бұрын

Why should Samur as haiden harvest argent energy and lose hell for the events of Doom 2016 while beeing so anti hell and anti maykr and pro Slayer in the Flashbacks?

@XaldirGodofGood

4 жыл бұрын

@@brosiii2558 My Personal Theory: Samur/Samuel knew that the Makyrs would keep on harvesting the Souls of Innocent for Energy Production. So he set up Camp on Earth/Mars to create his own hell Portal. He needed funding so he promised Argent Energy and got the Money to build the Base. But his real intend was, to get Doom Slayer Back out of Hell, his only Weapon against the Makyr and their inevitabel Invasion on Humanity.

hmmm... that explain why samuel hayden knows so many things.

@dakotaneumann1259

4 жыл бұрын

johannz aquino and why he revered to humanity as “your people” rather than “our people” before going to Urdak

So Samuel Hayden gonna be big bad guy for last game? He’s literally bathing in the power of the crucible while Doomguy is downstairs in the Ripatorium.

@sleepylad9829

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think so. It might the big daddy the devil himself

@garydorsey4243

4 жыл бұрын

@@sleepylad9829 or vega, since he now knows he's the father, aka god

@L3ON360Z

4 жыл бұрын

Still possible since he said he's not the villain in 2016.

@MrTheGameNarrator

4 жыл бұрын

There's information to suggest a dark magician who is actually more powerful than the slayer himself and is his only real match. It could be refering to either the dark lord or another entity. However that'll probably be the last ever boss in my opinion

@seeknprotect6179

4 жыл бұрын

TechyMarines Yeah. But by the time the last game releases I will have waited like 8-10 years to punch Hayden‘s brains out. I need this. And why the fuck not? There’s nothing more unsatisfying than to pull a totally unrelated big baddy out of nowhere for your last entry. They’ll do something with him I swear.

Hayden is also clearly urging the Slayer along through the last missions of Doom Eternal, clearly trying to stoke the slayer’s rage and instinctive actions so he did not think about anything he was about to do. He needed to make sure the Khan Maykr was destroyed for “New Leadership” to take over...

@kelnhide

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Palmer new leadership meaning the Father. Bear in mind in the events of doom and Eternal, the father was still missing until the Slayer brought him; VEGA, back.

@MFenix206

4 жыл бұрын

well, the Slayer wasn't looking to kill her that badly. He was gunning for the Icon, she merely tried to stop him. had he wanted, he could have fought her right off instead of interrupting the ritual.

@emetanti

4 жыл бұрын

@@MFenix206 If anything at that moment he went for the Heart of the Betrayers son due to the promise made earlier to lay him to rest, he could have fought the Khan right there, but likely wouldnt been able to put the son of the Betrayer, and thereby him to rest.

@GrimmShadowsII

4 жыл бұрын

And in order to do that he first needed to remove Father from Urdok. This is clearly a plan he's been working on.

Notice how on the 11th mission of Eternal Samuel says “all of this soul harvesting could’ve been avoided under.......different leadership.......” he talks of the Khan Makyr’s acts as unholy. What does Samuel Hayden of all people care of holiness? It says Samur (the Seraphim) stole the Essence of The Father and both were nowhere to be found shortly after. It sounds to me like Samur changes his identity to Samuel Hayden in some way, becomes head of the UAC, and VEGA’s amazing “A.I.” comes from the fact that he may be an actual essence of a God. Considering the very similar voices, similar name (Samur Maykr/Samuel Hayden) and very self-referential speech from 2016-Eternal, I think we can be very confident that Samur and Samuel are one in the same SOMEHOW. How that is, I don’t know. If Samuel is the Seraphim, and VEGA is The Father, it would make sense, considering VEGA and Samuel seem to have a close “bond” in Doom 2016. That, or the “Essence of The Father” could’ve been what the Seraphim blessed Doomguy with in secret in order to make him extremely fast and powerful, essentially combining man with God to LITERALLY make Doomguy a Demi-god. It should also be noted that all of the Samur-Vega-Doomguy stuff would likely have to take place BEFORE “Hayden” joined the UAC. If it’s true that 2016 and Eternal are sequels to Doom 1, 2, and 64 (which take place in 2022), then this would mean Doomguy was in Hell or stuck, or something for about 130 years. (It says Hayden returned to Earth with the demonic crucible in 2150, meaning Doom’16 ends around 2149-2150, yet you can find audio logs dating 2163 in Eternal, meaning a decent amount of time has passed). Remember: The Father’s Essence is what allowed the Makyrs to resurrect after a while. The Makyrs seem to just resurrect rather than reproduce. If Samur had not stolen The Father’s Essence then the Khan Makyr wouldn’t need to harvest humans’ souls on Earth for energy. Perhaps the Seraphim wanted all of this to happen, the evil bastard. And if you think about it, this all lines up. He blesses Doomguy with great power around let’s say 2030, so that he can live indefinitely, then changes his identity and takes lead of the UAC, so that over a hundred years later he will be able to find Doomguy in hell again. It actually makes sense now, why Hayden is so immediately familiar with how furious Doomguy might be at the beginning of Doom’16. It’s worth noting that the game itself DOES point out that Samur acted against the Khan Makyr’s wishes. Yet, it also says Makyrs are physically incapable of going against the Khan Makyr’s wishes. So how? Perhaps it was The Father’s wish, perhaps “God” or The Father was angry and displeased at the Khan Makyr’s actions, and needed to bring about his “wrath” on the Khan Makyr through Doomslayer, possibly cementing Samur as the new Khan Makyr. Again, Hayden points out the Khan Makyr’s “unholy” acts that “could’ve been avoided under different leadership” I think the whole “Samuel Hayden is a human with cancer” backstory may be the biggest hole in the story. If you really think about it, Samuel Hayden’s body isn’t THAT different from a Makyr body. Echoey voice, white, robotic. Yet there definitely IS a picture of him as a human. Did he manipulate time, create a placeholder human, so that a “Samuel Hayden” could be born, get cancer, and then take his place thru possession and use the “Cyborg” body? 2016 itself already points out that Hayden conveniently has the first ever Cyborg body EVER, and through the power of Argent Energy. It also points out that the Cyborg body is surprisingly powerful. Let’s not forget that he activated the Crucible into its blade form at the end of Doom 2016, already knowing how to use it, and went on right after Doom’16 to lead the ARC to fight against demons. The crucible is only supposed to be able to react to certain beings.

@juliendacoolien3454

4 жыл бұрын

Those are a lot of good points. One thing though, I'm pretty sure that the codex only said that Maykr DRONES were unable to act against the Khan Maykr, as they are direct extensions of her will.

@Tommy-bu7rf

4 жыл бұрын

@@juliendacoolien3454 Nah im fairly sure it was all Makyrs sahring the collective conciousness, I could be wrong tho, this was jus the impression i got

@attainascend

4 жыл бұрын

Those are good points but 130 years seems abit to little for doomguy. I'm sure it was stated in the testament of codex somewhere that he wss in hell for eons (billions of years,long time) because of time distortion. Idk tbh I have yet to finish 2016 I have only finished eternal. Edit: didn't the khan maykr try to use argent energy before losing the all father essence? Didn't she try to become completely immortal by sustaining herself on argent energy? Plus isn't earth not the only planet that was sucked of life? What happened to the other planets? Why didn't the slayer try to save argent d'nur? Ffs this rose more questions than it answered.

@greenhat8978

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tommy-bu7rf well I believe know maker is directly capable of disobeying her they do have a certain amount of free will. To me that seems to imply that unless she actively orders something to be done or not done they are still capable of doing it so the Serafin was able to do this simply out of the fact that he wasn't ordered not to. At least this is my interpretation of the lore.

@doomguydemonkiller

3 жыл бұрын

I knew Doom Eternal was a Christian game

The Seraph that Helped the Doomguy to *become* the Doomslayer was Samuel Hayden - both characters have the same voice as well as the same quotes. Along with the Hayden mentions all of the corrupted debuchery that the Khan Makyr has commited would be much much more different ''under a New management'' Hayden also introduced the doomguy his first dosage of 'purified' argent energy that made him a super - meta human

@Pyromaster-jn1ys

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh this is so dumb The seraphim is obviously makyr kind He has the same body type as the makyr drones Samuel was a human that transferred his head to a robot

@thedoruk6324

4 жыл бұрын

@@Pyromaster-jn1ys Not nearly as dumb as the people whose biasedly ignorant against almost open and direct connection between these two. The Makyr technology would have easily allowed Samur (yes; even the names match) makyr to blend in with humans with a realistic technology like a solid hologram; until it can permanently shift its body

@markomaksimovic7678

4 жыл бұрын

I was just about to mention that line that Hayden says in Nekravol about "different leadership" but then I saw you did it first. I'm not sure if he just missed it or didn't think it was important enough for the video.

@thedoruk6324

4 жыл бұрын

@@markomaksimovic7678 it is open that -Samur Makyr- Samuel Hayden knew much more about the Makyr/Seraphim order as well as the harvesting of innocent tortured souls for creating Argent Energy

@Pyromaster-jn1ys

4 жыл бұрын

Samuel has been a human the entire time, he's recognized by the people of earth. He only transferred his mind to a robot to continue living because his human body had cancer, he's a smart man and has lead many expeditions through hell, have you not seen the artifacts? Of course he knows about the makyr kind

I don’t know if this would help but do you think that the Makyr corpse under the water in Urdak could hold any importance. Because looks to be about twice the size of the Khan Makyr.

@muskrai7864

4 жыл бұрын

it might be a khan maykr birthing chamber, it seems that it's not given life yet because the khan maykr was still alive, though it birthing somewhat after would make sense

@shadkunt9387

4 жыл бұрын

that wasn't a Makyr, I believe it was a Wraith.

@crayoneater4247

4 жыл бұрын

Shadkunt it definitely wasn’t a wraith. If you compare it to the Khan makyr without her armour during the fight you can see that they are almost identical, aside from the size difference

@crayoneater4247

4 жыл бұрын

However there are some small differences, such as the creature having horns, whereas the khan makyr and all other makyrs have none, possibly being a result of demonic corruption of the creature, which seems reasonable due to the close relationship between the makyrs and hell.

@muskrai7864

4 жыл бұрын

@@shadkunt9387 it had the same anatomy as a maykr

Truly, an amazing video. I was so focused on Doomguy's own lore this whole time I missed out some aspects being revealed about Samuel and Vega, but the 'gift' and 'father' lines did raise an eyebrow when I first heard them. I like this theory, and explains how Samuel knows things about Urdak, even his line about 'things could've been avoided had the angels had better leadership (VEGA/Father :O).

During my first playthrough, I remember being really confused as to why/how Samuel knew as much as he did. I tried to reason that his knowledge came from extensive study of artefacts and corrax tablets during his time on Mars, but then it turned out that he knew of details regarding Urdak as well, something that threw me off. At first I passed it off as lazy writing - that the developers were trying to give players context (for those who didn't bother to read the codex) but something kept nagging at me that there was more to the whole story. That is until I came across this theory online, and this video serves as the best explanation for said theory so far. I am 99% sold that Samuel Hayden is Samur Makyr in some form, based off the evidence provided and how much it would make sense regarding what we have seen through flashbacks and told via the codex.

@GrimmShadowsII

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah way too many similarities between them for them not to be connected

@rdowg

4 жыл бұрын

The only thing that throws me off is when you get to taras nabad he mentions reading information off a "cordex" (or something) about the birth of the slayer. Could just be a little misdirection, or I'm looking too far into things, but we'll see I guess

There is one hurdle for Samuel and Samur to be one and the same person and that is that Samuel Hayden was without doubt born human. We see his pictures in Doom 2016 and learn that he was sick of cancer, having parts of his brain transferred to his cybernetic body. Maybe the only solution to this problem could be that The Seraphim met Dr. Hayden at some point and offered him Maykr technology to save his life, infusing him with part of his essence, making him more similar to the slayer than we thought? That could explain why he also survived his excursions to hell. Personally I think all this will be answered in the DLCs within a year and the only thing we can do meanwhile is hypothesize. Great video BTW!

@executor31

4 жыл бұрын

I mean , it is not hard for a Seraphim to pass as human , while coming up with a lie that he has cancer...

@koloss44

4 жыл бұрын

Why did Urdak automated systems recognize the Slayer as the Seraphim then? I certainly hope the Seraphim didn't split himself in two or something, that would be simply a dumb plot. Samuel Hayden definitely had otherworldly contacts, but I think he communicated/infused with The Father.

@dragongamer4753

4 жыл бұрын

@@executor31 the makyrs have much larger brains and tentacles in stead of legs. I dont think the seraphim could have put his brain in samuel's body. Maybe he uploaded his consensus to a computer. Samuel hayden tried to do the same but he still has parts of his organic brain left in him. Besides, the timeline is way to unclear with the kahn makyr talking about their tradition being around for millennia but the slayer was alive at that point.

@goblinslayer5383

4 жыл бұрын

rodylermglez Maybe when he was exiled out of Urudak by the Khan Makyr, he might’ve been reincarnated as a baby and had buried or done something to the essence of The Father so that only he was able to find it when he was old enough? And then, he actually developed cancer and decided to recreate the technology the Makyrs had and bam, we get Sámuel Hayden.

@No-mq5lw

4 жыл бұрын

It is quite possible that Samuel Hayden met the Seraphim considering that he dumps a lot of convenient exposition.

The way I saw it, the Makyr facility voice called the slayer "Seraphim" because Samuel Hayden was in his suit with him.

@ngockien2080

4 жыл бұрын

:v well that maybe true, but Vega was their too, it would be better if the facility say "welcome Father"

@justthatrandomdude5793

4 жыл бұрын

@@ngockien2080 well yeah, but remember, Vega was only in a flashdrive or someshit right? and since vega only knew of what he truly is when he was plugged in on the makyr device, maybe the facility didn't know who or what he was on that moment.

@ngockien2080

4 жыл бұрын

@@justthatrandomdude5793 :v but samuel too just in the suit, you know. VEGA did not know he is father not mean the facility could not recognize him :v

@justthatrandomdude5793

4 жыл бұрын

@@ngockien2080 VEGA wasn't turned on until he was plugged in into the Makyr's device though. That's why through that segmenr you can only hear samuel talking to the DoomSlayer.

It's technically the Demonic Crucible because the Doom Slayer has his own Crucible

@seeknprotect6179

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but it’s like...THE crucible. It’s a sword loaded with gods.

@markmcgehee3864

4 жыл бұрын

herne derjaeger doomsayer is easily stronger than said gods and able to murder them So whatever crucible doom slayer made Is automatically more fearsome

@HaloDieHard

4 жыл бұрын

@@seeknprotect6179 no it's not THE crucible it THE DEMONIC crucible

@seeknprotect6179

4 жыл бұрын

HaloDieHard I don’t care if it’s demonic or not if it’s loaded with nukes.

Something I noticed when the seraphim flashback came in. Is the old imp fireball and bfg sfx in the background, as there was a war at the moment the seraphim gave the slayer power. Also right after the flashback ends you can hear the slayer say "father help me".

I noticed something, when you kill the Makyr there is a mysterious voice that is heard shouting no. if you look into the cast in the ending credits,there is no one cast as "the mysterious voice" but there is someone cast as "The Dark lord" and since we didn't overhear any other unknown voices and every cast member displayed had a known character, i think its safe to say that the mysterious voice is the dark lord.

*What was your favorite Lore topic in this video?* ✅🙂 Last Video kzread.info/dash/bejne/qJmkpLB6n7fLZ8Y.html

I kind of figured that the Doomslayer was blessed with a portion or all of the Father that's why he's so powerful, also I thought Samuel was a human with some terminal disease that's why he became a cyborg, so many new questions now thank you for making this and to everyone who see's this stay safe and do whatever you can to be happy during this time.

@horatiuscocles8052

4 жыл бұрын

Apparently, reincarnation is a thing in the doom universe as souls seem to not be bound to one body in particular and can switch hosts. From my understanding the Seraphim was a Maykr who gave the Doom Slayer an immense power boost and then stole the "essence of the father" which is a part of a god like figure for the Maykr and possibly the God of the doomverse. The Seraphim seems to have been punished by having his soul reincarnated into a mortal's body but he seems to have kept or regained his consciousness from his previous life and managed to become director of the UAC after which he studied Argent Energy and brought back the Slayer upon the impending demonic invasion. Vega seems to be this "essence of the father" recovered by Samuel Hayden through obscure means and upon being reintroduced into Urdak seems to have reunited with "the Father". So yeah, Samuel Hayden and the Seraphim are most likely the same person. However the reasons why the Seraphim/Samuel Hayden did all of this remain obscure... I have a theory , though, that Samuel Hayden/Seraphim is actually trying to find a way to rule Hell, so as to be able to continue extracting argent energy by extracting the souls of the sinners aka those who lived wicked lives like criminals, rapists or etc... And effectively becoming a Satan like figure.

The Dark Lord? Is he a Lucifer/Satan like character? If that’s the case, just imagine a battle between him and the Slayer. That would be incredible. 🙌🏻🙌🏻

@kingsorgio5284

4 жыл бұрын

Samuel Hayden, Sayden, SATAN?!?

@omarxtyson1448

4 жыл бұрын

The Marauder nah, Samuel Hayden is already Samur Maykr, I doubt they’d make him 3 characters, I know it’s a joke, but just saying, cuz I too really want to know more about the “satan” of doom lore

@nivaldomonte5441

4 жыл бұрын

There are 6 demon gods of Hell, one of which is the ultimate evil, apparently a being that is Hell itself

@MFenix206

4 жыл бұрын

@@omarxtyson1448 well heaven is hardly holy in DOOM, so it is possible Satan isn't evil. still though "Lucifer, The Light-bringer, the fallen Angel"... or the fallen Maykr? Samur... sorry, Samuel, "brought light" to humanity with argent energy. it is litterally in the codex for Doom 2016 that he flipped a huge switch to transmit the first argent power to earth, later being said "they knew who kept the *lights* on." Samuel hayden may very well be Samur, may very well be the equivalent of Satan, but in the Doom Universe Satan may not be the lord of hell. sort of like DnD. Asmodeus is the Devil, lawful evil, but is not lord of Demons, whom are chaotic evil.

@Thugliferider007

4 жыл бұрын

Nivaldo Monte where did you get that info?

Dude I like coming back to these videos when these questions are answered. You got a lot of these guesses and assumptions correctly.

This video is single-handedly the best of all lore videos made so far.. In all of KZread.. Great work and keep it up.

Remember, we are getting 2 campaign dlcs for Eternal. It's very possible that the things that transpired will be concluded and maybe even learn more about the prophecy of the Crucible.

Me: *Watching this video in the dark* Video: 8:50 Me: ....

@apexlegendalan4289

4 жыл бұрын

Was reading the comments and found yours. i was on 8:45 then, and was watching in the dark. Holy fock i almost peed my pants when i heard it

Ahh, here we are, some quality Doom lore. Love your vids, Carlos!

Dood I absolutely love your longer videos! These always make my day, and these doom lore videos have been amazing, the video about what happened between the games was epic af

@PhilieBlunt666

4 жыл бұрын

Or I guess I meant the origins of the doom guy.... but kinda same thing

Love this video and your explanation more than any other DE videos out there. Thanks for this man, keep up the good work

I believe this could be some form of time loop. Doom slayer brings hayden and vega to urdak, vega is the father, so he makes a body for Hayden, thus making the seraphim, being a god, he probably used that universe to create himself, which is why the seraphim was connected to the doom slayer. The birth of the true god and the glue that binds it all is doomguy

Samuel also said the the whole turning the human souls into energy would never have happened under different leadership. Was he refering to himself maybe?

Another possible part of the procephy: Before the final boss fight in Doom eternal Hayden says: "Now is the time. Two titans meet, as it was written" Looks like the procephy is kinda long honestly PD: AM I the only one that doom's plot is improvised like 60% or something to leave space for sequels?

Well Hayden did connect to the Mainframe, so he probably had access to the slayers history files.

@kaanasdf8131

4 жыл бұрын

that can be true. but in that case, why/how slayer has so much data about a place that only accesible to maykr angels?

@seeknprotect6179

4 жыл бұрын

sadfdfd aasfasf Cause he‘s a smart ass. Idk, doesn’t make sense so far. Samuel is in the game as a guide and to show that even the best of humanity can’t stand up to the Slayer

@GrimmShadowsII

4 жыл бұрын

Well it would have a bunch of Sentinel files as the game more or less implys that it was made by the Maykers for the Sentinels. But I still don't think they would have as much information as Hayden does. There's too many similarities between Samar Mayker and Samael Hayden to not connect them together.

@natepepin09

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe. Narratively I think it is trying to him at the points in this video.

I believe the voice that screamed no was the network of the Kahn singularity Maybe the saraphim taught Samuel Hayden how to keep or resurrect the father (Vega Makyr)

@sleepylad9829

4 жыл бұрын

It was prob the dark lord/ the nameless one. Basically Satan

Check this out, Samuel Hayden is an anagram for Samael Haydes as in the Archangel Samael aka Lucifer & well Haydes is Hell...

Excellent video.

Bring the damn DLC please, iD software, after this video can't take anymore

@j.dviant

4 жыл бұрын

Relax man the game hasnt even been out for a week yet.

@Ragingknight12

4 жыл бұрын

The game didn't come out that long ago. We have to wait.

@isaiahnyman9977

4 жыл бұрын

Patience young padawan.

The demonic crucible might be the dark lord/satan's weapon. Why they give it to the Maykr? Maybe it was in the term of their deal, that's why one of the maykr used to own it.

Who's to say that Samuel Hayden was really just a man who had cancer. What if after giving the slayer powers he went into hiding which over the centuries ended with him transferring bodies at some point and being Samuel Hayden

I was thinking about the crucible and then when I saw your video I click it and watch it,thank you uploading this video

Great video. One thing I just thought about is that the doom slayer might already know whether samuel haden is in fact the seraphim, but because he doesn't talk you don't know. Which I am a fan of his lack of speaking it just makes him even more of a badass to me

This was really in depth. I love game lore it’s always exciting. I don’t own a console or gaming pc so i might never play this game. So cool to get to know the game in another way. Awesome content man👍🏻👍🏻

very good carlos

It brings me great joy to see how deep the lore of Doom is. It’s not your average shoot em’ up FPS.

I'm mad that they made all this interesting lore and now I'm probably going to have to wait for another doom game where they explain who the mysterious voice is that roared "Noooooooooo!" Damn you ID...making good games n shit. 👿

@sleepylad9829

4 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, their making dlc. But because of the pandemic it will prob delayed

loving these doom lore videos

This video is on point 1 year later

Another great video Acid. Wow I never heard about the the prophecy of the crucible back in 2016 with the tree. Also will you do a lore video on the Sentinels?

When I finished this video the realization of everything made me experience an emotion that is indescribable

This is great, but everyone forgets about that one codex entry from 2016 talking about vegas architecture

Awesome video! The lore of Urdak and Samur Maykr is veryy interesting I’d love to see how that story continues.. do you believe the DLCs will be prequels? Explaining where The Slayer went in the end of 2016? Or will it be a continuation of Eternals ending?

@grimmerify

4 жыл бұрын

I think it would be a prequel. They'll probably make a sequel to Eternal. There's lots to explore

Don't forget that Vega is actually the name of the Northern star in astronomy, the brightest star in the sky with biblical and heavenly implications in history.

DAMN I love your videos.

Also, how would Hayden know to call the energy Argent?

You ever just feel the puzzle pieces click together? That's what this video did for me

The Doom 2016 tree prophecy mentions that you wear the "seal of the heretic" and then goes on about the crucible creating a "monster" that even hell fears. Also, I don't think anyone has noticed that the beginning sequence of Doom Eternal you can hear a street preacher saying "For it is he that they fear, not man or his armies. They fear the mark of the beast." Then, in Urdak, the slayer is greeted as being "The Seraphim." I think they are all referring to the seal that's on the slayer's armor. So if this seal refers to the same being that gave the slayer his power... I think its safe to assume that Samuel Hayden, now soaking in the Crucible energy in the Doom Fortress, will become this monster/beast at some point. (Maybe not because of the Doom Fortress but I digress...) I think most of us are inclined to think this will happen at some point. But my question is to what extent is Samuel Hayden aware of the situation that could occur? Was this his main goal from the beginning to become the beast to lead over all realms? Is it clear yet if the Khan Maykr only struck a deal with Hell to make argent energy to survive since the Father was stolen, or is the deal with Hell the reason why he stole Father to begin with?

Great content! Audio level is kinda low though.

14:58 In Doom 2016 Advanced Research Complex level, the room with the hologram of Samuel and Olivia arguing, there is an advertisement stand depicting Samuel's model as UAC service robot. Tho the rest of the game gives the impression that his robot body is unique.

15:21 for starters the seraphim is the highest rank of angel.

Vega = Giant dad Thank you for coming to my ted talk

this is a lotta lore to hear abt so dark and corrupted my god!

It all makes sense now,,, the tree prophecy related to Samur all along.

WOOOOW mind blown

16:23 or, and hear me out, its just a default voice comm that triggers if anyone (including the seraphim) enters that door; It was expecting the seraphim, not the Doom Slayer.

We need to know the chronological order of these events. If Seraphim betrays Urdak first and hence cast out which would then lead to Khan Makyr making a deal with dark lord OR did Seraphim betray Urdak after Khan makyr made a deal with Dark Lord. The order dictates whether Seraphim will be an ally or an villain in next Doom if and when that happens. Seraphim aka Samuel says this could have all been under different leadership, so this means if he wants to rule Urdak instead of Khan Makyr which is similar to Devil of Christian lore making the Seraphim as a villain. Don't forget Samuel can also wield the Crucible which only the Kings of Sentinels should be able to do. As now Samuel body is now powered by Crucible hell energy inside the Fortress of Doom (As a villain, Seraphim would have wanted it to happen), which would make Samuel to become powerful enough to challenge the Doom slayer.

@woomod2445

4 жыл бұрын

Seraphim steals the essence of father first, which is what causes khan maker to be willing to make literal deals with the devil to preserve their society. The Makyr need argent energy to sustain themselves since they cannot be reborn without the father.

Maybe the developers want us to think it was the dark lord when really it was the father when he finally gain control over Vega in urdak and screamed noooo after the holy seal was broken since remember after she dies her orb thing went to the sky and turned it red which means the holy seal was broken

HOLY SHIT THOSE LAST 5 MINUTES THOUGH.

I think what you suggest about Hayden being the next antagonist makes the most sense. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Hey Acidglow this isn't related specifically to the video but I have a small theory that the reason the Doom slayer got rid of his old preator suit was because it had argent energy running in it.

I had gathered that the essence from the father makyr was given as the gift to the Slayer. The seraphim says others would oppose this. Kahn makyr I thought would want to use the divinity machine in order to tell the future as that's the divinity nmachines purpose. Kahn makyr had a prophecy of an overthrowing of her world that is why she had made the divinity machine. I like what you say though. We will see clues with the dlc drops I'm sure and we will see another Doom in 2023 probs

I really hope that in the end that it’s revealed that Samuel is a good guy. Even after the things that he did and what he knows points in another direction, it would be great to see him show that he knew that this would happen and only wanted to help the slayer and save the human race. Him sending the slayer away was a way to allow him to prepare for the invasion while Samuel tried to hold a line of defense waiting for him to come and finish the fight.

Could the trio of angels be the serpent riders?, maybe id Software is integrating the Heretic/Hexen lore into Doom, Hayden/Seraphim may be D´Sparil trying to bring Eidolon or something, he has a trident symbol in his red robe.

4:33, Hayden is providing the AN with access to UAC tech and facilities, not the other way around.

You also got to remember the fact that the BFG ammo works with the unmayker

I like the crucible so much!

Thats one hell of a lightsaber 🤔

Hey mate. Just want to say that i agree to most of your points. I also want to point out that Samuel Hayden literally means Samuel - the fallen angel, compared with Satan and Hayden is a name that comes from the word heathen, So... pretty much says it in his fake chosen name :)

I cares about the prophecy curious who is the dark lord help expand the universe from Doom

Samuel just knew how to hit right on the d pad is all

Perhaps Samuel and Samur share a similar connection to what MCPO John-117 and Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting have in Halo

Dont forget when you first enter urdak samuel says "magnificent isn't it" like he's been there before

@lordpeuti

4 жыл бұрын

I've seen these statues before and I've been thinking the red statue might actually be the Dark Lord...

Damn this blew my mind.... even the name... Samuel.... Samur.... dude holy shit. Some questions get answered, and a million more pop up.

Maybe the mysteries voice that screams nooonat the at end of maykr boss fight was the father

Wonder if it has something to do with the mysterious voice you hear saying"nooooo!" After killing the kahn makyr

The is only one explanation to this Time Travel!

I think the prophecy is about how the crucible is the key to destroying all creation and how the father becomes the beast corrupted and lethal

@iurycabeleira7990

4 жыл бұрын

wow thats a nice way to think about it. We do hear a NOOOO from a misterious voice in URdak

Interesting.....

Well at least the invasion of hell solved the energy crisis right? Now there's only a few million people left to share.

we might get the answer in the dlc or wait for a few years until the next doom game doom slayer vs dark lord :D

I still want to know what happen to the slayer in between 2016 and the game now

@MarioTheLiopleurodon

4 жыл бұрын

DLC will answer hopefully. Granted I also want to see something about the Slayer's time with the Sentinels before the fall. My DLC wishlist for 3 DLC would be: -Slayer between 2016 and Eternal -Slayer before 2016 and the fall of Argent D'Nur -Hayden and humans on Earth between 2016 and Eternal It would be good stuff to fill in. Maybe even get a spinoff game that's more survival horror focused where there's a group of survivors gradually dying off while the demons take hold

I like to think Samuel is just a really big fanboy of Doomguy.

I haven't beaten the game yet, about to beat the Urdak level and I figured that The Father's essence was what the Seraphim used to enhance Doom Slayer's powers

@AcidGlow

4 жыл бұрын

That's a very good assumption. But then why does Vega say "am i the father?: If Doom Slayer has the essence in his body.. then shouldn't he be "The father?" There's still alot of holes in the story that need answers. Maybe in time or in future dlc.

Welp in the statement on Doom 2016 in Kadingir Sanctum tree like object is what would be the outcome. -Doomguy relentlessly ravage all demons as it stated on the first statement and here he was found by the Sentinel injured and been promoted to the highest official. -After he awake on Doom 2016, he defeated Olivia or the Mastermind and been betrayed by Samuel but why he would betray him if such AI or VEGA attach to a killing machine and betray him. -In Doom Eternal there we saw Icon of Sin and the Maykr which reveal that the Maykr intentions were to destroy the Humanity and create a infinite sourceof Argent to their souls but that was not the question..... The question is why such anger driven Doomslayer would help Samuel Hayden even if he betray him once? -Lastly the Crucible could crush Demon kin and man-born but not Wraiths and wraiths in Doom 2016 state that their form is look like a scary "Beast". In short: The Seraphim is the only Maykr who seems to be uncorrupted and give the powers to the Doomslayer and been gone for good without traces after that. Then Doomslayer ravage hell after the fall of Argent D'Nur and been trapped by the Hell priest. Then after he woke up he kill Olivia and betrayed by Samuel Hayden by tooking the Crucible and teleport him to unknown place with VEGA. When he teleported to the Fortress of Doom he kill all of the Hell priest and finish the corruption of the Maykr or Fallen Angels as they live in Argent Energies or Demonic Energies by the help of Samuel Hayden with no hesitation due to the betrayal in Doom 2016. Lastly what happened to the Wraiths? As it state in the prophecy that the Crucible could punish man-born and demon kin alike? But Wraiths is describe as the Beasts?

My guesses for the statues are: blue angel makyr (evidence of concept art and in game appearing), purple no idea, and the red one I believe is actually the dark lord because he looks most demonic and corrupted of the three and he carries the crucible. I support the idea of the Dark Lord as a fallen makyr...

14:25 Granted, it isn't uncommon for voice actors to play two, or more, different characters. Like how in Borderlands 2 that Handsom Jack and Sanctuary's Sheriff share the same voice actor despite the two being entirely unrelated characters.

@Bobzination11

4 жыл бұрын

This is true, however given the already uncanny evidence surrounding the connection between these two characters, it's a bit TOO much of a coincidence to just ignore ~

@iurycabeleira7990

4 жыл бұрын

@@Bobzination11 that and the way the characters speak its just too similar

@leosolcanonizado4065

4 жыл бұрын

But giving them the same line? That’s kinda suspicious.

I can agree that its will be more DLC story ... if not then new doom game

Seraphim is probably a rank within the Makyr society and Doom Slayer has the rank of Seraphim due to the Divinity Machine

@davjosio2343

4 жыл бұрын

In the Bible the seraphims where the ones closest to God, maybe the seraphims in Doom Eternal where the ones that where in direct contact with the father power, also it say that the seraphims where always covering their body because the light of God it was too much for them(sorry for my english)

Samuel Hayden is the Dark Priest that will be consume by the crucible now they are both in the fortress of DOOM. I really hope it comes on the DLC.

So father allegedly found out how to fracture his being to form the Maykrs. What if Samur, being renegade, found out how to fracture his mind and wants to be an individual... part went into Hayden (his personality) and part into Vega (logic, conscience, father) so he is everywhere, always. No one can use a divinity machine behind his back. Urdak didnt see the slayer as the seraphim but Vega

Thank God I’m not the only person who suspects this

God, Doom has the best lore.

As for VEGA being the father, I doubt it, Hayden would not have been willing to sacrifice the AI during the Argent crisis on Mars (he had no idea the Doom Slayer had saved him) or leave him behind on Urdak if he had some divinity to him, not to mention it is not the original VEGA we are talking about, simply a backup the Slayer created to save his personality. Worth noting however that V.E.G.A. stands for something that Samuel never revealed to anyone, but so far it seems like he is pretty expendable. As for Samuel and Samur being one and the same, evidence seems pretty overwhelming, the one that got me was that one of the codex mentions that only someone special can activate the crucible the same way Hayden did at the end to 2016. Something that we have not even seen the Slayer do with the demonic crucible. Now for the part where the slayer is refferred as a seraphim, I think you mentioned in another video some deleted voice files where Hayden tells the slayer he was going to imprint him with special Makyr genetic makeup so he can access Urdak. Here is what I think happened to the Father's conciosness: But first ask yourselves these questions: Who let the UAC back to Mars using Argent energy as the lure? Who found the Argent fracture? Who recruited Olivia Pierce? Who insisted on retrieving the Doom guy, even knowing the threat he posed to the Argent operation? Now that you answered that question, let me take you through a quick recap: Samur was simply a makyr attendant, maybe he just want to rise through to the top rank, sees the slayer defeat the titan in Taras Nabad, sees the potential, and takes him to the divinity machine, he makes the slayer inmortal then goes underground as the Doom guy goes to war with the Khan Makyr, but then everything goes south. The Night Sentinals are betrayed and slaughtered nd the Doom Slayer is captured. Samur, posibly already hiding on earth, decides to emerge as Hayden, knowing already the Slayers location but needing to remain in the shadows, begins a complex operation where he mask as a greedy energy tycoon, always looking for better earnings in weapons research and other ventures, takes the UAC back to Mars, "discovers" the Argent fracture, recruits one of the priest own moles and gives her access to the fracture, being certain that she would find the coordinates within the Kadingir Sanctum, all Samuel had to do was just wait for her to find them, claim that he found out she discovered an unknown asset without needing to explain how, then send in a team to retrieve his true target all along. Wether he meant Olivia to panick and start an invasion that would overrun the Mars facility is unknown. But this way he would have been able to rescue the slayer without alerting the makyrs that he was the betrayer. But why?, the Doom guy is powerful but his unwillingness to cooperate makes him a poor asset, unless he had something special, what if, the divinity machine transfered the fathers essence into the slayer, it would explained the mayor lenghts Hayden went through, and everything he was willing to loose to retrieve him.