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@AnEntropyFan

Жыл бұрын

My only disagreement is the shallow Pop Socialism meets Sovereign Citizen take on legalisation. What I've been told by actual sex workers is that mere decriminalisation is often used as a venue to allow a loophole to keep cracking down on sex work, by instead of directly going after the sex workers coming down on their clients and banking providers for example. So, it leaves room for the same morality policing by proxy, the only thing it stops is direct revictimisation of sex workers when they are assaulted and report it. Now, I support decriminalisation (decriminalisation is urgent; criminalising what people do with theior bodies is a crime against humanity plain and simple, and deterring victims of violence to report crimes by criminalising them constitutes a de facto genocide), but seems only reasonable for it to be a necessary step for legalisation. Would iron mill workers be better off without the workplace safety regulations, no matter how lacking? Would the end consumers of steel be better off if the government didn't legally restrict the otherwise merely decriminalised unregulated market from using lead in their stainless steel alloys from which cutlery and drinking water tanks are made?

@gsisir8478

10 ай бұрын

Hi! Love your content. I would love to support your work and get access to more of it. However, due to the regulations in my country, it's difficult to make payments on patreon. It would be great if there are other ways to support your content and get access to more of them. Thanks! ❤

@stoicstudent6116

5 ай бұрын

All red-light districts are human trafficking markets👆💯

@fakshen1973

5 ай бұрын

How Stella paid to get her groove back.

@jpandabooks6562

4 ай бұрын

How come it can't be monetised? The content not appropriate for advertisers?

The client falling in love with the sex worker reminds me of when people hit on waitstaff as if it's not their job to be nice and pretend they like the customers personally. Have some self awareness, this is just their job!

@christinar379

Жыл бұрын

server/bartender here! Happens all the time. 😭 I genuinely like having positive interactions with people, but every now and then someone treats me like I’m a stock character in their life that exists to be a romantic/sexual interest. Obviously I try to be kind when someone hits on me or asks me out - but often it’s subtly dehumanizing. Ex. one older male regular *always* redirects conversation to something sexual with me (even when telling me about his dying father??).

@halloweenallyearround4889

Жыл бұрын

I haven't yet worked as a server but my dad is a 69 year old bulky creep who constantly hits on young girls and women who are in service work while at their jobs. It fucking enrages me how he refuses to see how scared and uncomfortable they feel. And then he gets mad, angry and feels "betrayed" when they want say hello to him at the bus stop or accept the offer of walking them home. Jesus!!! I tried getting it into his thick skull that servers are forced to act polite and welcoming in spite of being harassed or stalked (him and his mates are regulars) but that's when he snaps, threatens physical violence and claims "(he) can't do anything right in (my) book". He's a sick man. And it's nausea inducing how many people like him there are.

@halloweenallyearround4889

Жыл бұрын

@@iheartdelrey The comparison is not about having sex or not. It's about someone being paid to do their job. And the customer misinterpreting it as a romantic and/or a *non paid sexual relationship. When the worker, technically just needs the money for survival. Has to smile, be pleasant, adapt to the customer's mood. And pretend they're having a great time even if they are sad, scared, stressed out, annoyed, in mourning, etc.

@ruminationstation4200

Жыл бұрын

Class consciousness conflicts with rich people's ego, so they choose the latter

@kittykittybangbang9367

Жыл бұрын

@@halloweenallyearround4889 I feel bad for your mom

As a sex worker if a client stalked me, demanded I out myself, then told people I was a sex worker infront of me and bragged they had recommended to me all their friends who E er they are I would GET A RESTRAINING ORDER

@mommaneganhobbystuff2409

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely same...

@sbraypaynt

4 ай бұрын

I feel like the people who made this movie are doing the “women doing typically misogynist acts is payback and payback equals equality and therefore must be inherently feminist” This movie feels like performative wokism by intellectually dishonest and talent devoid liberal writers… Liberalism is unwilling to change capitalism…capitalism relies on misogyny, nuclear family, binary gender, racism, queer phobia. Liberals can never be real allies.

As a (online) SWer myself I find it funny when people think sex workers have to be attracted to their clients. Sex work is all about the performance and that often includes the attraction element. I myself am a lesbian but most of my clients are men. You get the idea.

@saumyavig8964

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like any other retail job lol

@ShimmerBodyCream

Жыл бұрын

The fact there is any expectation for sex workers to have attraction is so dehumanizing trying to control how someone feels.

@zenpie5093

Жыл бұрын

I think clients need to tell this to themselves to be into it. Usually sex is about being desired and feeling wanted. Knowing the truth of being a chore doesn’t feel very hot so people tell this to themselves. It’s the customers fantasy.

@quirkyblackenby

Жыл бұрын

@@zenpie5093 of course which is why we pretend for our clients

@crimsonsmirk

Жыл бұрын

As a cis man with personal experience in the field, I can attest that things are a bit different for people with penises though, if they aren't "just" being penetrated, no erection required. I mean, okay, there's Cialis/Viagra/... but even that requires a base level of arousal to work. I guess some men can perform completely on imagination and projection alone but finding a client completely repulsive make it very difficult to do the job. So from that perspective, it's not all that far-fetched to assume at least some attraction. Or rather: It's important to find an attractive quality to focus on at least.

I'm proud to have supported the de-criminalisation here in Aotearoa New Zealand. To me one of the big signs that it was working was when a SWer was able to get a conviction against a police officer for SA. There are regulations but it's through health and safety like any other workplace, as it should be.

@EF-kk3vh

Жыл бұрын

That's great!

@daalimbe

Жыл бұрын

That's amazing!

@lolly9804

Жыл бұрын

It had done a lot of good, but it was a shame certain concessions were made to appease anti-immigration elements within NZ politics.

@owgirl

Жыл бұрын

They still deport migrant sex workers for doing sex work if they’re not permanent residents or citizens. So the closest I can be to my family in Aotearoa is by living & working in Sydney :/

@phantasticdrago230

Жыл бұрын

@@owgirl wow I didnt know that. Im so sorry it's like that still here.

As a former sex worker, i have mixed feelings about every "woke" liberal finding it cool to be pro sex work. On the one hand im glad of people being more aware of it. On the other, im a little wary of any one who isnt a sex worker feeling uplifted to speak on our behalf. Ive gotten shouted down by users in r/feminism because i said something that wasnt totally glowing about sex work. I didnt out myself to them but that is an example of how speaking for a marginalized group can hurt them more even wheb you are trying to help. The thing is not everyone feels positive about their experience in sex work and not everyone feels bad about it. Edit: i guess this is pretty much the issue with Good Luck to you Leo. It demands that the worker feel empowered instead of giving space to examine what they actually feel.

@WhatWouldLubitschDo

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this comment!

@TheDrexxus

Жыл бұрын

The woke crowd is toxic and abhorrent. They loooove speaking for, and being offended on behalf of, literally everyone else on the planet, even when those people aren't bothered. Like every time a celebrity wears a kimono they scream cultural appropriation and act so offended, meanwhile actual people in actual japan are like "hurray, we're glad you're enjoying our culture" and the shops that sell kimonos, particularly those that target foreigners specifically, enjoy the extra business it gives them and wish all those people would shut the hell up because they are hurting japanese businesses with international customers. But wokeness is toxic and abhorrent. It can't stop being what it is. Too much repressed white guilt has made these people feel the need to white knight every single cause and issue, screaming over and completely silencing the people from those groups and communities who are trying to be heard. But they don't care, because it makes them feel better and pat themselves on the back thinking they're good people because they made strangers on the internet angry and believe it was a service to mankind and absolve them of their guilt or responsibility to take any meaningful action in the world. :>

@YourWaywardDestiny

Жыл бұрын

I never understood how anyone could look at sex work as something somehow different than, well, _work_ It's put on this bizarre pedestal. There are down sides, but nobody is allowed to say that. Of course, sex workers are just people, and it can just be a job to some. It could be a really great thing to others. To yet others, it might be a harrowing piece of their life, it might feel terrible to do. Working at Walmart might be empowering for some, too, but trying to claim you can't say it's a slog would get you preverbally murdered.

@riffsnoleads

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheDrexxus REEEEEE, DUH WOKEISTS!!!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@TheDrexxus

Жыл бұрын

@@riffsnoleads Yes, this is exactly how you look and why people think of you that way. The only point you're making is that people are correct to think of you as such. Personally, I don't do the whole internet tough guy nonsense because it is meaningless to me, so i'll just be blocking you and promptly forgetting you exist. You'll have to find someone else to fill the void of your life with by trying to get a rise out of them. Bye.

There's a part in Alice Walker's book "The Colour Purple" where (black working class woman) Sofia explains to the now adult daughter of the family that exploited and forced Sofia to work for them as a housekeeper and nanny for years, that she doesn't love the girl. She has to explain that raising this white child, who adores her, came at the cost of Sofie being with her own children, literally only seeing them one or two times a year. This now adult white woman finally comes to understand that her relationship with the woman who raised her is very, very different from the relationship the indentured worker had with the child she was obliged to raise. It feels like the same conversation needs to be happening here for women like Emma Thompson to understand - the relationship of the client to a sex worker is not the same as the relationship of the worker to the hirer/employer.

@zenithquasar9623

Жыл бұрын

That's super interesting!

@ImmedicabileVulnus

Жыл бұрын

Reading this gave me chills. Such a good point.

@th6218

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree

@hjad2625

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. Then why pick that job out of many other jobs ?

@blackmasterpeice

Жыл бұрын

@@hjad2625 The Color Purple is a novel set in the deep American south in the early 1900s, there were no "many other jobs" for black women at that time (or a long while afterwards frankly).

the fact that they don’t even end up together makes it a little grosser [to me], i just feel like she used him, pried into his private life, violated his boundaries, made a dramatic gesture, actually got forgiven for some reason without at all deserving it, and then is like nah i don’t even want you bye like, she walks away having gotten a good lay and feeling more sexy & worldly, and he walks away possibly a bit traumatized, and presumably kinda emotionally exhausted, i know i’d be

It’s so incoherent for a “feminist, realistic” film to not understand the power dynamics between a wealthy older white woman and a bisexual sex worker ....

@quirkyblackenby

Жыл бұрын

He’s black too

@metropunklitan

Жыл бұрын

lmfaoo yall dragging feminism into everything just because a horrible woman is it doesnt it already have a bad reputation enough? like feminism. i dont know man. maybe bring it up when feminism is actual relevant and is a cause for something because god, just no

@red4081

Жыл бұрын

@@dessy0713 i would agree with you! However im terrified of baiting an argument and left it out bc of that

@rejectionisprotection4448

Жыл бұрын

@@quirkyblackenby mixed more like.

@clubafterlife

Жыл бұрын

@@rejectionisprotection4448 still black. they're not mutually exclusive terms.

I am not going to lie, I was waiting for you to address the racial dynamics involved in this. Idk if it's just me, but an older white woman booking a younger, attractive black man and viewing him as the man who can make her sexual dreams come true seems very loaded to me. Black people of all genders have often been sexually objectified by white people world wide, and part of racism is viewing people as below human. While the film works hard to portray Leo Grande as a person, they don't give him the self-sufficiency to escape an overbearing client, or enforce the boundaries he's set. To me adds another level to the weird, somewhat creepy dynamic that the movie is trying to portray as romantic.

@noname-1224

Жыл бұрын

One last point: Leo's race is also relevant because POC sex workers are more likely to face violence, be killed while working, and be abused by the police if they do try to come forward. So it is also relevant to discussions about real life sex work. To me it feels like the writers use him as a prop in multiple ways, one of which is racial.

@Albinojackrussel

Жыл бұрын

Don't really have much to add, but want to signal boost, because this is dead on

@petronellataube2986

Жыл бұрын

the excuse would probably be representation... I think you're onto something. It's a "once you go black" fantasy.

@kit76149

Жыл бұрын

If you change the genders nobody would be praising this film and calling it creepy

@bouncyshak

Жыл бұрын

@@nezahuatez That's your opinion. The trope exists and this film fits into that.

That thing about girls wearing skirts-my god. Flashback. I had a history teacher in 11th grade dismiss all the boys in the class and lectured the girls about how 'it was almost springtime,' and we didn't want to wear shorts/skirts or low cut tops and 'lean over and tempt the male teachers. She was retiring at the end of the school year. She also told us who she thought would survive the Holocaust by pointing to each of us and letting us know. Also LOVE 'older lwoman creeps on younger man and infantalizes him by thinking he needs rescue' because that is SO much more okay than the reverse! (/s)

@harrietpotter649

Жыл бұрын

_I had a history teacher in 11th grade dismiss all the boys in the class and lectured the girls about how 'it was almost springtime'_ What does "it's almost springtime" mean?

@noheterotho179

Жыл бұрын

@@harrietpotter649 I assume OP's teacher meant the upcoming spring meant the weather would be getting warmer, so the girls would need to wear skirts

@harrietpotter649

Жыл бұрын

@@noheterotho179 Oh, so she meant it's literally almost springtime lol

@Vissorilio

Жыл бұрын

@@noheterotho179 No that doesn't make sense in the comment it said they DIDNT want to wear shorts and skirts because it was "springtime" I'm pretty sure she thinks humans reproduce like animal where we have designated breeding times. 🤢

@anotherhuman3221

5 ай бұрын

I expected body shaming, but that took a wild turn with the holocaust comment, like where do you even get an idea to say smth like this T _ T

as someone who's done sw and had good experiences but mostly weird and humiliating and abusive ones, it annoys me to witness people constantly trying to legitimize this profession INSTEAD of educating people about the importance of decriminalization and education clients & potential clients about consent and sexuality and the industry in general. people are so afraid of being seen as swerf's that they don't want to criticize the industry, but it's actually a very problematic industry with a lot of exploitation, discrimination and abuse. and that isn't because "sex work is wrong" it's because we live in a misogynistic, racist, transphobic, ableist society and the vast majority of sex workers are marginalized women & lgbt folks. the idea that sex workers all find their work empowering and lovely is harmful, not as harmful as saying they are criminal and should be punished of course, but it's still a misunderstanding of what it is work in this industry in the society we live in.

@petalchild

Жыл бұрын

Yes!!!

@lavernebennet7395

8 ай бұрын

The way I look at it is that, like, for a lot of people, working retail sucks. If someone talks about that, that doesn't mean they think retail work is wrong, or that they hate retail workers, or think working in stores should be outlawed.

@soymilkman

7 ай бұрын

Im sorry, how do you expect people to be in favor of decriminalization or legalization without trying to legitimize the profession? the mainstream assumption is that SW isnt real work, so there HAS to be a counter arguement to that in order to advocate properly. EVERYONE knows sw isnt pretty, the first thing that comes out of peoples mouths when talking about it is trafficking. Why do we have to keep cycling through this tragedy porn in order to talk about people who actually enjoy the profession?

@Ukraineaissance2014

7 ай бұрын

'Decriminalisation' was attempted in germany and trafficking went up 300%.

@alexschofield8085

6 ай бұрын

@@Ukraineaissance2014did you watch through the whole video? What’s happening in Germany is discussed and it isn’t decriminalisation, it’s legalisation.

I feel like there is also something to be said about Leo being a black/mixed race man in this specific setting. Like the fact that this character is flattened down to being a sex worker who's whole life seems to revolve around just that and giving others pleasure while the stereotypes involving black men already paints them as overtly sexual beings... idk it doesnt sit right with me but i also dont have the knowledge base to form a full opinion on it.

@RevanSurik

Жыл бұрын

I was about to comment just that. I haven't watched this film, so I can't make a proper judgment on it; but the fetishisation of black/brown men by white women is something so overlooked it feels spiteful (not referring to Verily here, but to the people who actually write stories where that fetishisation is done). I recall only two series where that is somewhat touched upon - "Insecure" and "I May Destroy You" - yet even then in a rather shallow manner (and I've got some real beefs with how "I May Destroy You" treats Kwame but that's a subject for another rant lol).

@kathylennerds750

Жыл бұрын

@@RevanSurik exactly!! Especially with older white women. Like aren't there entire holidays for old white women to solicit young black men in.. I think the Caribbean? (similar to white men going to South East Asia). Now, I also haven't seen the movie in all fairness but even if they do address it, it can't have been especially well considering the rest of the movie as shown in this video.

@SeymourDisapproves

Жыл бұрын

@@kathylennerds750 I just watched Foreign Man in a Foreign Land's video about this specific thing, and I really recommend it as well as the discussion found in the comments! The video is called "The Caribbean Commodity of Flesh"

@grandsome1

Жыл бұрын

Just commented that it's the magical "black person" trope (can't say the actual name because of ban filter) and the light complexion softboy trope. FD the signifier has a couple video on it. EDIT: And foreign man.

@punkybrewstar83

Жыл бұрын

@@grandsome1 💯... this white saviour old lady swoops in and validates this neglected note-figure and opts to save him, in exchange for his apparent special sexual knowledge and prowess 🙄🙄🙄 it's super problematic 🤮

To me the biggest argument for decriminalisation is that is what sex workers want, simple as that. When approaching issues of discrimination our first step should always be to listen to the people affected.

@kashiichan

Жыл бұрын

+

@cassimisflying2258

Жыл бұрын

!!!!!!!!Yes!!!!!!!!!!

@BambiLena666

Жыл бұрын

For me it was 2 things. The fact its what SW want and apparently being an emotional masochist, running into a project that compiled "customer reviews" of people that use sex workers, and then being an even bigger idiot and actually looking for these websites that are used to post reviews and read through them. Its not an excercize id recommend to anyone faint of heart or stomach. I will never looks at customers the same way (online sex work is a bit safer in that regard tho), I have no concerns in making anything better or easier for them, or relying on them. I swear just the amount of these men saying the girl looked like she might have been trafficked, but they "tried not to think about it" and then complain that "her heart wasnt in it" in the same breath is just... Rage inducing.

@BambiLena666

Жыл бұрын

@@lilyleaf6502 I generally consider the Nordic model as decrim, but youre right decrim exists in various forms, and it absolutely should be adressed and talked about.

@rhiannonwalmsley1878

Жыл бұрын

​@@lilyleaf6502 I used to be on board with Nordic model until i learned that it doesn't actually work all too well e.g. iirc its difficult to conduct business in a rented property bc your landlord can get done for pimping as well as a host of other stuff. But by the same token I'm hostile to this opinion that seems to be taking hold of society that sex work is just like working at tesco and that buying sex work comes with absolutely zero ethical ramifications that need to be considered. Coercing someone into performing sexual acts is considered one of the worst things a person can do. It confuses me, then, how it coming to be seen as benign when the machinations of the market and capitalism are the ones doing the coercing

Yeah, I really liked this film up until they met up again and he forgave her - it completely lost me at the end. It felt kinda like a play that wanted a big shock twist for the end of act one, but didn't know how to resolve it in act two. When watching it, I took Leo saying he enjoyed his work to also be a part of the performance he was putting on for Nancy, but that dissolved after the stalker reveal scene (idk how to phrase it) and then conversations after it. It's nice to have a film so shamelessly about older female sexuality, but it's a shame it didn't quite come together well

@gateauxq4604

Жыл бұрын

Really a good boomer effort 😞

@MasterGriefSr

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, just saw it yesterday, and it made me uncomfortable for the rest of the film.

@VeraHannaford

Жыл бұрын

True. That was creepy, and who tells a former student that she's sleeping with a sex worker? That was just silly and unrealistic and a bad take on "sisters are doing it for themselves." Still, I didn't hate the movie. Perhaps I should have, but the first part was really good. I wish that would have owned up to it.

@kit76149

Жыл бұрын

I just don't like the context of this older female sexuality rep. If you swap genders, would people be praising it, or calling it creepy?

@steff6146

Жыл бұрын

@@kit76149 Lol I mean, the title of this video is literally calling it creepy. So not sure what your point is

One of my closest friends was an escort all through our 20s, and while I never participated, I was always around it and therefore very aware of what was going on. She passed away before the laws changed and made Craigslist impossible to use, but I can fondly imagine the rants she'd probably go on about it. Anyway, I'm always very pleased to see sex work positive essays, and support for decriminalization. Thank you :)

@ahsokaventriss3268

Жыл бұрын

Craigslist’s adult personals stopping, and then when Backpage, and those sites were shut down, made work so much harder for sex workers. It made it more dangerous, it was harder to vet prospective clients, and to market oneself.

@maheenm.k1015

Жыл бұрын

Is it okay if I ask how she passed away?

@ltleflrt

Жыл бұрын

@@maheenm.k1015 A few years after she moved on from the escort business she developed a C. Diff infection, and unfortunately she didn't respond to the treatments. She was 33 when she passed.

@burpie3258

Жыл бұрын

@@ltleflrt I'm sorry about your friend's passing :-(

@Zombina638

Жыл бұрын

How 😂

as a broke viewer, i would like to thank all of the wonderful people paying this fantastic woman.

@sarroumarbeu6810

Жыл бұрын

I'm in the same boat xDD ...I hope she gets paid loads and loads because this is quality content

I do kind of understand why the writers claimed it wasn’t a romcom, because I don’t think that Leo was every really meant to be romantically attracted to Emma’s character. But that of course makes his decision to forgive her the end utterly bonkers, because why would he ever do that? Unless of course the screenwriter was building it on romance beats. I agree with you and the commenters that that was where the film lost me. After I watched it I immediately went to look up the original text, assuming that it was based on a play. The third act felt really hamstrung by its insistence of setting everything in the same hotel; there was no way to resolve the conflict and keep that structure without bringing Leo back to meet Nancy, and in order for that to happen he would have to forgive her. So I assumed it was based on a one set play but I don’t think it was! So there was no reason we couldn’t have seen Nancy working through her prejudice on her own while Leo is off living his stalker free best life somewhere else.

@SomeoneBeginingWithI

Жыл бұрын

The sets could have been influenced by covid and budget reasons. This was filmed during covid lockdown, and a lot of things filmed in that time period used as few settings and characters as possible. The film industry was very uncertain about how much ticket revenue they'd get back, so they were trying to keep the budget as low as possible as well as keep the actors safe and comply the the covid laws.

@Tr1sh4Lynn

Жыл бұрын

Not having seen the movie or the rest of this video essay, what I have to say will probably come off as pure wank; however, I implore you to hear me out. Because of things I've said and done in the past, I've similarly neglected to be mindful of someone's personal trauma and I would hope and want that person to be able to forgive me, even if I've not initiated contact after I realised that what I did was insensitive and just wrong. In the real world, I think that manifests as vowing to be more mindful and actually learning from your mistakes. The fact that this movie features forgiveness as a subtheme is pretty cool and I'd like to see more examples of this in entertainment.

i just wanted to back up your point at 23:45 - im a trafficking survivor and the only person who recognised this was a sex worker when i was a year in. she felt like she couldnt report it bc her last interaction with the police ended up with them threatening her and stealing most of her stuff 'as evidence'. i didnt escape for another 3 years. (i dont hold any resentment against her btw!! i too have had awful interactions with the police and minimising talking to them is totally justified imo)

Given that even Richard Gere came to be uncomfortable with “Pretty Woman” (for the fact that he felt he was glorifying the kind of men who really aren’t as a whole decent people who would treat sex workers well), it makes me curious how the film would be received if the original, darker story it was intended to be (which big surprise, was revamped to be a more comfortable romcom for audiences) had been retained and released in full. Probably wouldn’t be the hit it became but would be reevaluated in hindsight as way ahead of its time). Hmm… Not surprising I haven’t heard about this Emma T. vehicle; it sounds intriguing, but uncomfortable in its own way. At least “Pretty Woman” isn’t TRYING to be critical; I can feel more comfortable than in a story that is trying to be reconstructive yet fails to see its troubling implications. Bleh…

@sirbalmond

Жыл бұрын

I haven't heard of the original ideas for Pretty Woman, but it sound really interesting. Do you have a suggestion for where I could find more on that?

@AmandaInEly

Жыл бұрын

I'd like to hear him talk about American Gigolo and Pretty Woman. He's played both sides and I expect both were unrealistic.

@danawalter259

Жыл бұрын

@@marissaurias5116 If I remember correctly (and I may not be), in the original conception, Vivian was a coke addict, and the movie was supposed to end with Richard Gere literally kicking her out, throwing her to the street, and her and her friend taking a bus to Disneyland.

@bowserjr.7220

Жыл бұрын

@@danawalter259 I like that ending better

I work in a (german) cinema. We are showing this film and the marketing of it is very focused on the sexiness of it all. Most of the audience we are getting for it are older women who are really excited about how hot it is (haven't seen it yet myself and don't really intend to). Also the german title is "Meine Stunden mit Leo" (My hours with Leo) which also shifts the focus more toward the client perspective imo.

@TheSapphireLeo

Жыл бұрын

WHELP!

@sarroumarbeu6810

Жыл бұрын

Yikes

@peterheinzo515

7 ай бұрын

you should add that we have much more liberal laws around sex work compared to the US

Idk why sex work can’t be treated as just another job. You show up, you do the work, you get paid & you go home. It’s not whimsy & romantic. It doesn’t have to be empowering. You don’t need a sob story explanation for doing it. You don’t have to like your clients or even enjoy your work. Nobody expects cashiers & waiters to.

@oshing9

5 ай бұрын

Yes but we want humans not robots! Cashiers and waiters can be humanly empathetic and compassionate, and we can treat them as such. It is a conscious choice ofcourse. You don't have to be emotionally invested in a sex worker to bring yourself to treat them with as a spiritual being within a body. If sex doesn't have to be empowering, then it shouldn't be demeaning either. Not easy to find that perfect balance so why not lean more towards something that isn't sinister in nature. Eh!

I did a long research project on sex work so I'm happy that you talked the differences between decriminalization and legalization because it is so so so important. Decriminalization is all around the best solution and I think some people advocate for legalization just because they don't understaand the differences and implications.

@jessw8478

Жыл бұрын

The annoying thing about the human trafficking argument is that it doesn't actually listen to actual sex workers. Being able to report harm would let human trafficking victims report too. A lot of the people I see that are concerned about human trafficking with decriminalizing sex work have good intentions but are horribly misguided and refuse to listen to actual real life data and outcomes.

@Hyperversum3

Жыл бұрын

@@jessw8478 I still have my doubts about decriminalization being the 100% best option because, yes, sure, it is what the workers want, but society isn't that simple. There are reasons why we have systems to protect rights and enforce duties on people working in certain fields. At the same time, I understand that SW is entirely a personal thing and you don't need a degree for it but... eh, simple solutions aren't always the best. The stupid thing is a legalization that results in people being criminalized tho. It should be about ensuring the workers safety and, you know, taxes, not about damaging people livelihood and safety. I still support workers claim and they should be the one dictacting the push on governments, but their having personal experience doesn't mean they are 100% right about their decisions. Just look at how many in different fields of phyisical labor costantly disregard their own best interests for a reeason or another, or how the scientific community strictly relies on peer review to kick out people publishing stuff with obvious secondary interests. Should I trust that researcher saying their research si free from external influences because they say so?

@Blueeyesthewarrior

Жыл бұрын

I was definitely undereducated on this topic and honestly had no idea that there was a difference, but now that I’ve been informed I whole-heartedly support decriminalization.

@Ukraineaissance2014

7 ай бұрын

​​​@@jessw8478'real life date outcomes' is when they attempted decriminalisation in germany trafficking increased 300%. When they introduced legalised zones in leeds, sex crimes in the area increased by 30%, violent crimes by 80% and 86% of the prostitutes working there were addicted to class A drugs. Eastern european trafficking gangs also appeared in the area. The law before let prostitutes report violence, trafficking and SA and for it to be prosecuted. There was never anything stopping that.

That an elderly woman never in her life enjoyed sex and never knew how to ask for pleasure through sex from men, lovers or HERSELF is a sad story by itself and sufficiently hard to tell in a emphatic and respectful way. And they did not even managed this.

The line, "You can't _force_ yourself, surely-" gets me, because while _Leo_ may/may not indeed be bi, & may/may not indeed be legit hot for any given 1 of his clients, it's not as if closeted gay men don't routinely do just that w. their unknowingly-unfancied wives in secretly-sham marriages for any # of reasons across the width + depth of the world every day that it turns. And it's not as if fancying their partner stops still _other_ men/AMAB folk from doing the same, for any number of reasons, just as often. It has long been a comforting (to women) & destructive (to men) lie that penis-possessors are incapable of sexually performing if they're not wildly + rapturously in lust. As if fantasising (or discreet chem aid) to keep the show going, at best, or having their nerves respond even against their consent, at worst, were not both things that every human being's will + body are at least _potentially_ capable of, under just the right/wrong conditions. It damages cross-sex couples' chances at true empathy + connection on the daily, & it gets wielded as a cudgel against male/AMAB victims of sexual harassment + assault by society at whole. The myth of narratively-causative sexual potency is one that ultimately only _harms_ men, & while it would absolutely make sense for Thompson's character to uncritically have internalised, given her status as hailing from an older generation (& one in which toxic masculinity was the _only_ kind offered to growing boys as on offer), it is absolutely one we need - in our more enlightened times, & paving the way for our more enlightened children - to begin to dismantle. ...sorry, I'll climb down off my soapbox, now.😅 I just have a lot of feelings about that particular issue.

@dennisherzberger4813

Жыл бұрын

The way you write is amazing. Never change 💙

@sepiajoy2871

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I 100% agree with you! I feel like more people are becoming aware of genital nonconcordance with vulva-owners, but not so much for people with penises. There’s a pervasive narrative that men can get hard for anything, that they always want sex, that a penis is always ready to go. And if they don’t get hard, or they don’t cum, then that means something about how their view their relationship. For Christ sakes, it’s a physiological response. An erect penis or unerect penis does not have to MEAN anything. Just like vulvas can’t always get wet, or they do during inopportune times. There’s tons of reasons why the body reacts the way it does, and it doesn’t do anyone a favor to start taking a bodily reaction personally. Nagasaki writes about genital concordance a lot in her book, “Come As You Are.” I highly recommend giving it a read. Understanding the implications of genital concordance is important for navigating our own personal lives, and even in the courts.

Thanks for making this video. I'm a sex worker and I saw a trailer for this movie and was immediately put off haha. Fun fact, here in the US you can get charged with trafficking yourself lol

@kashiichan

Жыл бұрын

That's so messed up. :(

Thank you for highlighting the division between the work you/ real you. That distinction is SO important. Crossing that line with a worker is not okay.

I think remembering Leo's played by a person of color (biracial, nonetheless, which has a whole category of fetishization in on itself) adds another layer to criticize the film from

I've always supported decriminalization of sex work, but I didn't understand the difference between legalization and decriminalization. Thank you for teaching me the difference, so I can advocate for decriminalization properly!

You tonguing the popcorn made me laugh so hard 🦎 🍿

cam is such an underrated masterpiece. I went into it expecting a cool psychological thriller to pass the time, but came out having seen some of the best character writing I’ve enjoyed in a very long time. it was just SO cool and so well done, doing such a good job at showing the normal lives of SWer’s and as you said, showing the important of keeping their own privacy.

“The twilight years of my 30s” got me 😂

@ProfMcGonaGil

6 ай бұрын

And then the cut away from “WHAT?” 😂😂😂

Emma Thompson having difficulty dating is sci-fi

@rejectionisprotection4448

Жыл бұрын

But she's an actor playing a character who does.

Loved this video! Thank you! Though I'm surprised the topic of the client's gender didn't come up. I think what allows for this "rom-com" version of the story is the fact that the client is a woman and the sex worker is a man. A female client comes off as less threatening to the viewer, so the whole experience can be diluted. The reason why 'Cam' is a believable horror, is because the stalker is male and the sex worker is female. The reason why the sex work scene in 'Special' can be straightforward and earnest, without being saccharine, is in large part because both the client and the sex worker were men, so it never really feels like either party is in any danger. And in 'Pretty Woman,' while you have the very clear rom-com thing happening, there is also a very clear gendered aspect to the dynamic. Edward treats Vivian the same way he treats his girlfriends. Honestly there's no difference, it's just that in this case he can be honest about it. He even says as much. And there's also the fact that Stuckey tries to assault Vivian, just to give Edward a reason to actually save her from violence, which is absolutely more "knight in shining armor" crap, but also highlights the fact that women who are sex workers are in more physical danger from men than they are from female clients. I don't know how that would translate to 'Leo Grande.' Like, he got angry at her for cyberstalking him and crossing a boundary, but I don't think that Leo would necessarily fear for his safety from a female client the same way he might from a male client. I think the client being a woman changes a lot about what the viewer might consider dangerous or exploitative for this sex worker. I'm not saying that's a good thing - I'm saying that sexism plays a part in how this film this framed, despite the fact that it's trying to be feminist in other ways. I feel like I'm rambling - i just think there's something to explore there.

@20somethingnormalgirl

Жыл бұрын

Such a good point!!

@binimbap

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that's exactly what popped out to me as well!

@turnintino

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Initially, you might be caught in this fog of "oh, this is a refreshing turnabout" -- until the drama comes to an ugly head at the midpoint, and it just became... impossible to root for this "relationship" lol. But it's clear that the writer/s think (or at least hope) that they're getting away with it by its conclusion.

@Alalea17

10 ай бұрын

Also this less threatening view dismisses the power dynamic of her being rich and white, and him being not as rich and black. And that is a big issue in feminism that isn't tought intersectionally... It's like some people only see women as uncapable of doing violence without regard that are so much more privileges wich a woman can have woch make her so much more powerfull than a man with less. And we even see this in trans exclusive "feminism" where they regard trans women as men just because... transphobia doesn't exist apperently, and then yes, amab people could only be the one holding power over cis women. I think that is a good example how dangerous it can get, if you only look at sexism (against afab people) and disregard everything else.

I did camming and phone sex for a while but left the industry entirely a few years back. The more into it I got the more disillusioned I became with it. Sex work wouldn’t be a thing if capitalism didn’t rule our lives and prevent us from making meaningful connections, people wouldn’t pay for human connection at all. Not the most soulless work I ever did, but it sure felt like it some days…

I have close friends who have been sex workers. I also have a lot of "heart in the right place" activist and feminist friends who very clearly want to prevent trafficking, but all legislation against sex worker under the guise of "protecting women" just actively harms the most vulnerable and desperate women. If they don't get "protection" by the police, at the very least the police could leave them alone.

@BambiLena666

Жыл бұрын

Im techincally one of these people. I believe ultimately our goal should be to remove sex work completely. However, just legislation against sex workers is just harming the women, and removing sex work is not something to be done over night. Which is why imo, we need to strive for decriminalization, destigmatization and shifting as much power and protection for sex workers as possible to the sex workers themselves. While working on developing better social net systems that would provide proper support to the most vulnerable women, that most commonly end up in sex work due to being vulnerable in different ways. I cant fully get behind the super happy yay sex work is just a choice of career like any other one, its all lollipops and rainbows as long as everything is decriminalized or legislated, I honestly believe its inherently grueling, damaging work, especially from what ive seen from the vast majority of their "customers". But you dont help vulnerable women by criminalizing them or by just making everything legal and calling it a day.

@apocalypt_us7941

Жыл бұрын

@@BambiLena666 I get what you're saying but also that logic doesn't get applied to other professions. I worked customer service at a supermarket for 9 years to pay my way through uni, and it was pretty inherently gruelling and damaging work. I still get upset about some of the customer and manager interactions I had during that time (up to and including a literal physical assault by a customer towards the end), and my knees and back are a lot worse than they would have been if I had never done that work. The amount of mistreatment and verbal abuse my coworkers and I considered shitty but routine is legitimately shocking in hindsight. Still, people would consider it bizarre if I decided that supermarket work should be removed completely rather than supermarket workers should be treated better.

@BambiLena666

Жыл бұрын

@@apocalypt_us7941 I am very sorry you went through that, obviously no one should work in such conditions ever, and that is absolutely something we should be fighting for. There are many reasons why these arent comparable, but I will only say two things, that I feel speak volumes. no one will traffic you in order to work customer service in a supermarket, and from the data we have, no amount of decriminalization and legalization prevents this. If I remember correctly the Netherlands even had an increase in trafficking victims being forced into sex work, since legalization. Secondly, none of the customers in the supermarket will leave a review under your name essentially saying "she looked like she was trafficked, very sad, cried, I tried not to think about it while I SAd her, tried to make the best of it, however would not recommend her, can get much better for that money". Mind you in a country where SW is legal and the customer would not suffer any consequences from reporting a possible trafficking gig. Edit: I also said I do believe the only way to get to eventually removing SW is by making conditions for the SW better, making sure they get treated better and get more protection. I am in no way opposed to this, like i said in my previous comment i believe this is always step one no matter what. Surely these two things should cause some pause and thought that these things arent comparable. SW is not simply work as any other. and trying to pretend it is doesnt help the workers, it only helps the users.

@apocalypt_us7941

Жыл бұрын

@@BambiLena666 Sure, but people do get trafficked for farm labour and domestic labour as well as other industries, and yet no one is trying to abolish growing vegetables to sell or paying people to clean your house. Every workplace should be a safe workplace, whether the work involves sex or not.

@slaplapdog

Жыл бұрын

@@BambiLena666 Thank you for this.

Love it where the sex worker steps in and hijackes the video essay 😂

Aah, patron here who managed to miss this, but I love it

Loved the video and the discussion! A movie immediately came to mind, it's called Confessions of a Brazilian call girl (I think that's the title in English) and it's based on a famous Brazilian sex worker's memoir. I remember watching it forever ago and found it quite bold and fresh. I want to revisit it after this video now with more knowledge about the political and representation issues! 😎

@katherinemorelle7115

Жыл бұрын

That reminds me of something similar (might eve be the English version), which is a tv series, with Billie Piper playing the main role, and Amy Winehouse's You Know I'm No Good as the theme song. I was actually a sex worker when I watched the series (about 12 years ago, hence the spotty memory), and I do recall enjoying it. It was also based on the memoir of a call girl (and the fact that it was based on something written by a sex worker was very obvious). I need to go find it and give it a rewatch, so thanks for reminding me of it.

@silveirona

Жыл бұрын

Referências a Bruna Surfistinha no vlog da Verily, meu domingo tá feito

@thussaidsomenone

Жыл бұрын

@@silveirona Brasileirando o rolê

Leo is basically manic pixie dream boy for the protagonist

I really like the way you explain your take on things. It makes me interested in seeing your videos even when they’re about a film I hadn’t even heard of and have no intention of watching.

Audibly laughed at the popcorn grabbing becoming more and more aggressive over time, culminating with a punch 🤣 masterpiece

The dynamic of bringing a sex worker in to tell that side of the story (and promote patreon) was pretty funny and clever. 🙂

I think instead of her doxing him and him forgiving her. If they accidentally ran into each other in the “real world”, it would have worked better. No one did something malice but a boundary was still crossed.

thank you for explaining the difference between legalisation and decriminalisation. My pet peeve is when people tell SWs they want legalisation but have no idea about the differences between that and decrim. ❤️

Glad you brought up Cam, because that film pops up whenever SW in media comes up. Excellent film.

That movie is basically the magical "black person" trope (can't say the actual name of the trope without autoban) mixed with the light complexion softboy trope. Very cringe.

@julietdeane3128

Жыл бұрын

ooooooh you are so right. i dont know how i didnt put my finger on it earlier

absolutely HAD to subscribe after seeing you talk about Cam. one of my favorite recent horror movies, such a specific fear and so well shown.

It takes a really good presenter to take a movie I know absolutely nothing about and don't care for and spin it into a beautiful, interesting essay. I would watch basically any content from you, because you are always so thoughtful and provide a unique perspective that I would otherwise be missing.

Ugh, deity save us from financially secure white ladies' "feminism" where they think they know what marginalized people need better than the impacted people themselves; what an embarrassingly off-the-mark movie this looks to be. On a lighter note, do all geeky bisexuals seem vaguely awkward when they're trying to act sexy? I'm, uhhh.... asking for a friend. (looks around guiltily)

@Algorithmicgeneratedwordsalad

Жыл бұрын

Pseudo liberalism

@spikesecho724

Жыл бұрын

Writers and actors research heavily. And that happened with Leo Grande. If you blame the representation, then you'd have to blame the RL sex workers who guided this into creation.

@RankaZer0

7 ай бұрын

Being marginalized doesn't give you a unique perspective that you can Lord others over. Stop acting like your burdens are so outside the realm of understanding.

UK RE teachers could definitely assign that as a essay question. There models are fairly random. And yep, was very normal to get yelled at by women teachers for skirt length ect, because a lot of the male teachers were creeps. My high school had 2 sex offenders, who they wouldn't sack, out of 20 teachers.

there were many parts of this film that made me wonder why the director made certain choices like the mars bar incident or the cafe scene or the whole having to tell his mum/family bit. they made no sense and wouldn't let me suspend belief as a result, even if i found the last scene very impactful anyway, thanks for this in-depth review. i tried to find a critical review after i watched watched the film the other day but all the ones i came across were pretty problematic in one way or another and i'd just given up. this was such perfect timing.

for being assigned it as classwork, it was a huge discussion in my us government class, freshman year of highschool, or 13 year olds

WOW. Thanks for educating me on the difference between legalisation & decriminalisation. I didn't know there were 2 distinct alternatives to criminalisation; I just thought sex work shouldn't be illegal, but human trafficking obviously should be. I was happy the other movie touched on disability- I worked with intellectually disabled adults, & heard about how valuable sex workers can be for some disabled adults, & later saw a doco on it that showed that really clearly.

So great seeing someone talk about this movie! I went in looking for a refreshing rom com and left 30 mins in cause I could stand Emma’s character anymore. She just kept being invasive, controlling and overall repetitive. It could be a great story of at least a good friendship but it became so creepy I found myself thinking of the script was actually given a run through. Such a shame because I adore both actors! He was incredibly charming, hope to see him in more things ✌️✌️

So good! Yeah, the movie lost me in the second half, too. I was astounded that they had him go back after being stalked.

I love that you brought up the scene from "Special." I had never seen sex work portrayed like that in anything and I don't think I have since. It's a great scene

I already support the rights of sex workers, however this video has made crystal clear to me the meaningful distinction between Legalization and Decriminalization, and why Decriminalization is much preferable. I give my genuine thanks to you for giving me additional clarity on how best to support sex workers with your concise and well-delivered information.

The way you ate your popcorn @7:52 all while having a disturbed look on your face, is why I'm going to sub. (I mean, it's obviously other things too but, ya know.)

The differences of De-criminalization was very well put, and I now can more easily articulate it, thank you! Wonderful video overall, and thank you for your kind and gentle approach to these topics

it does bother me a little when people create the narrative that most clients of sex workers are disabled, old and/or lonely people. that's just not the reality of things. i would say a very very large portion of clients i've had were people who just wanted to exert power fantasies on me & take their frustrations out on someone and view visiting hookers as a hobby. there are forums dedicated to rating escort services in which incel type men take pleasure in insulting escorts or bragging about "having pleasured them" etc. it's just not as cute as people want it to be.

As a former SW, I am not thrilled about boutique leftists acting like it’s a wonderful and beautiful thing. It’s a valid and neutral thing. Not wanting to be outed isn’t something that we should “get over”. It can be a dangerous line of work and is a last resort for many SW. It was for me. It’s not something fun and naughty to give life meaning and validation to rich older people. It’s a survival tactic for the most marginalized groups. Once people are no longer oppressed to the point of selling their bodies, it can be a fun, open, beautiful thing that only those truly passionate about sex can partake in. Talking about it in a vacuum like it’s just something prude society needs to get over while never discussing WHY people are forced into it is such classic neoliberalism.

Imagine how different the movie would be if, instead of walking away smiling, he looked dejected, haunted, and disturbed.

I'm both glad and horrified to have now learned of this movie's existence. This just feels the sex worker equivalent to Fifty Shades of Grey, which means it'll get lots of praise by people who don't see its glaring problems. But yeah, despite how much hearing about this movie angered me, this was an amazing video essay. Always fun getting educated by a cool lady. X3

I love that your videos are always a real ANALYSIS and not a retelling of the movie

This video is great. Thanks for raising awareness about sex work, and explaining why decriminalisation is most wanted by many sex workers (I didn't know some of the things said in the video, so I learned too). It pains me to know that in Spain (my country) the mainstream feminist movement is mostly abolitionist (all for criminalisation, and many treat all sex work like sex trafficking, I've heard that word by word so many times is sad). I hope we can raise some awareness here too.

@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035

Жыл бұрын

In Spain the majority( 90% )of sex work is because of trafficking.

The bit right at the end where she shoves her arm in the popcorn startled my cat awake lmao.

When you licked up some popcorn that's exactly what my brain wanted to do with a bowl that full. Excellent taste.

@SeymourDisapproves

Жыл бұрын

Same. Verity is so good at scratching brain itches I didn't know I had lol

When my partner and I watched this we were so hooked during the first half of the film-- I agree, it could have just been an amazing character study-- but as soon as Nancy reveals that she looked him up we were like "NOOOOOO. why did they have to bring this plot point in." I will say, before I was more educated on the topic I definitely did think that legalization was a good way to do things, so I do understand this mistake to a certain degree... BUT if you are making a movie about a sex worker DO THE RESEARCH. I hate that the movie turns into this weird fantasy/rom-com. I think that if they did want nancy to get a little too invested they could have done it differently, and in a way that doesn't pin all of these weird expectations on the relationship between sex workers and their clients.

Now i'm wondering if the modern laws against running a brothel in the UK had any influence over the portrayal of bawds in Harlots. Margaret Wells is a complicated woman and no one's definition of morally pure, but she cares for the girls who work for her and protects them the best she can, and when the Scanwells are destitute and homeless, she takes them in without asking any payment in return, and Nancy Birch seems even more uncomplicatedly good, taking in any sex workers who need a place to stay and ready to offer protection and advice. I never considered that aspect might have had anything to do with social commentary on the way things are now.

I looove the way you deconstruct stuff like this. i could genuinely listen to you talk for hours upon hours.

It's so unfortunate that sexual empowerment for 40+ women is at the expense of. Like, I enjoyed the thematic exploration of shame and what is intended for Nancy's development, but that message is severely weakened by the inability to locate the *actual* relationship between client and worker. Really enjoyed this; thank you!

This really made me reconsider my views on the film! So true that the film tried to do too many things at once. Thank you!!

Ugh - I hate when writers are like, "It's not supposed to like, MEAN anything. You're reading into it too much." People who aren't willing to admit they have biases are the most biased.

I never even knew this movie existed and it kinda saddens me that it does because it could have been good. Plus I didn't know Emma Thompson was so misinformed like that 😳 I live in Aotearoa (New Zealand) and I'm glad s3x work is decriminalized but I really wish it protected immigrants who were involved in s3x work as it still doesn't, the racism issues here are sadly still rife I remember watching Cam and thought it was so well done and incredibly chilling with that ending, it stuck around in my head for a while with all of those messages of the desire for fantasy and control of s3x workers

Thanks for clarifying the difference between legalisation and decriminalisation..

I watched this last week. Gave it 3/5 stars… I was confused why I didn’t like it more… but this video just hit the nail on the head. Also drawing a connection with Cam and this movie is brilliant 👍🏿 Also changed my rating to 2/5 stars after this video

"I wish I was in poverty working the streets in LA so I could get railed by Richard Gere" I laughed way too loud at his :') Great video, funny and amazing points!

@rejectionisprotection4448

Жыл бұрын

Off on a tangent......In "50/50" Joseph Gordon Levitt plays a cancer patient who falls in love with his trainee psychotherapist (Anna Kendrick). Guys were saying that "they'd have cancer if they could get with Anna Kendrick" I don't think that they were joking.

(only half way through the video but) this movie is even worse when looking at it through a racial lense. an old woman hypersexualizing a young black man, a black character helping a white character through their character arch (like the black best friend trope or even bordering the magical negro trope), and probably more too

Not sure why this video was recommended, but darn.. that was a great commentary on both the movie and the topic. So hard to find people that can talk about the industry and media, without being other than elaborated reactors.

Always so stoked to see a new video from you. Lfg!!

The self control it takes to not eat the popcorn in 3 seconds is beyond my imaginationn

This is a fantastic review, and you integrate how much dehumanization really goes on in these films.

I am german and I have to say that the intentions of legalising prostitution where good but the government didn't really think it through. They just wanted to make it legal like any other job but that doesn't really work with sex work since people stigmatise sex work so much no one wants to have sex worker in his official resume. Also it's easier for pimps and human trafficers to find loopholes and exploit the system to their advantage. There have been a lot of studies about that. The state wants to change that but laws are very slowly made and slowly changed in Germany and the people in power can't agree on a solution. It's all very frustrating. I only know about that stuff because I had a friend that was a sex worker once. I met her in group therapy. In the Netherlands they have a different system where they haven't legelised prostitution fully but it's saver for the sex worker since prostitution is only illegal for the client and not the sex worker. Apparently that's what most people in that industrie want here as well, at least that was what I am told. Still that could also be problematic.I am not an expert but that also sound's like a version where sex workers would be safer. Anyways, I hope that people would stop stigmatising sex work so much.

@iknowyouwanttofly

Жыл бұрын

In sweden its only illegal for the client too.

@Dutchwheelchair

Жыл бұрын

That is probably about to change. Im dutch. the government here want to legalise prostitution the same way as in your country. and all of the sekswork organization were ignored. Its bad

@kuroneko5390

Жыл бұрын

@@Dutchwheelchair I hope they will at least find a better way to legalise it then if they actually legalise it. The way it is here isn't working well....

@Dutchwheelchair

Жыл бұрын

@@kuroneko5390 it might be even worse.

@bacul165

Жыл бұрын

I don't know a lot about this but i've heard from someone in the police that our (german) system really favours organized crime in context of sex work. Sex positivity is one thing, protecting vulnerable people from being raped, exploited and /or trafficked something completely different.

Thank you for making this. I appreciate the way you explored this in an approachable way.

When you did a chameleon on the popcorn I lost it hahahahaha. And it hurts because I've got a broosed rib hahaha 🤣🤣

Glad I'm not the only one who eats popcorn like that

As a sex worker (sugar dating, online only) I wish there were more emphasis put on a happy middle ground with these films. Emma Thompson is being creepy in this movie. I don't want clients to dox me. But in another, better movie, I wouldn't have a problem with these two running into one another at HER job and somehow over the course of a year, they forge a friendship or something. Most people who use hookup culture to meet people for casual sex don't fall in love with them, either. But sex workers wouldn't be good at our jobs if we didn't have empathy. Clients often have this weird misconception that sex workers can't feel anything other than passive indifference or love for our clients, even though they probably have a wide range of feelings about the people they see for work themselves. I wouldn't mind a film about the conversations a young bisexual man who got rejected by his mom and a woman who's the same age as his mom who just realized that sex work fits into her lifestyle after the death of her husband one bit. I would like to see a film about sex work that treats the client and sex worker relationship like your relationship with your hairdresser or the person who does your body wax- that's the best metaphor I can think of. Of course I'm not in love with my clients because my job is to create a fantasy space where we can live a specific type of vibe for a night no matter how often we see one another. I often don't even know their real names. But that doesn't mean that I never have warm feelings towards them or enjoy their company. I think that would be a much better film.

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I actually didn't know a lot about the subject, so this is a very interesting and mind-opening video. Thank you. Ultimately I guess what laws should do is protect the workers, right? Not just in this context. And if these celebrities wanted to actually do something about human trafficking, there are better ways to go about it. Starting by helping just improve life quality in developing nations and fighting for better laws that protect to all women and marginalized groups, laws that actually punish sexual abusers. But that is such a complex issue though I guess is easier to go after "immediate" solutions to regulate sex work I guess. Now I'm a little creeped out by Emma Thompson it just feels like she's pushing a personal agenda or shes so so misguided she doesn't understand the damage shes doing.

@SomeoneBeginingWithI

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If you want to learn more about the topic, you might like the Sex Work video by Philosophy Tube

@petalchild

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@@SomeoneBeginingWithI uh Disagree big time. That video is super biased.

@creature6715

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@@petalchild all videos on the subject are going to be very biased, no ones making videos about sex work while not caring one way or the other about sex work

@kashiichan

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@@petalchild Seconding that all videos on sex work are going to be biased, however I am also asking what video/s you would recommend instead?

@camelopardalis84

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Emma Thompson, then about in her early fifties, needed to be talked out of supporting Roman Polanski by a 19-year-old. Enough said?

The perfect mixture of educational and performative! Your content always serves. 💜

thank you for this video essay. I learned that I knew very few about sex work laws and that I vastly overrated the German system of regulating sex work (I'm from Germany)

When you started covering luck to you,leo grande, i wasn't prepared for how weird it would get, i kind of want to watch it out of morbid curiosity. Honestly it seems like the woman is kind of put in the mans role of being a boundary crossing creep, but for some reason the narrative acknowledges how terrible it is, while still making her sympathetic, usually these types of narratives kind of gloss over how someone would feel after being stalked, which if you're writing anything other then a horror movie that makes sense, and to clarify i don't mean thats its good to treat stalking as cute or romantic, just that if you *are* trying to write it like that, you wouldn't draw the audience's attention to how gross it all is I haven't watched the movie, so maybe my read based on the review is wrong but thats why i have this morbid curiosity about the whole film.

@HenriZwols

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Have you seen the movie 'Passengers'? Talk about crossing boundaries! And she still forgave him.

I would have never thought to compare Cam to Leo Grande. But that was great and thought provoking!

This video changed my understanding and perspective on sex work, for the better. Thank you!

I just love verily’s videos so much!

was randomly recommended this video and decided to watch this on a whim, having seen neither movie this was still a great watch. Good shit!

I have an interesting idea for legalisation aspect. If you open a brothel than it must be a worker co-op (all the sex workers working own the business and collectively vote on business decisions) or all brothers must have a sex worker union where the sex workers are unionised for protection against from the owner? But also keeping street work snd online work, escorting, etc decriminalised so that workers who don’t want to do that don’t face the fear of the law

@courtneybermack

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What's a brothel? If five workers go in on rent on an apartment, is that now a worker co op where they have to comply with whatever regulations apply to that? What's a brothel, what's an owner? If ten workers live and work in a building and the landlord is nice and is easy with the rent if someone has a bad month, is that a brothel? What if they don't want to be in a union? At the very minimum of the problems, that kind of regulation tends to require names (dead names!) on paper somewhere. People in a stigmatized industry should be able to work in groups without regulations that interfere with their autonomy and privacy.

@ilianceroni

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In my country (Switzerland) sex working is legalised and if I’m not mistaken (and I may be on some details), once you’re 18 (meaning not a minor) you can become a sex worker as an independent and work in your apartment and the only requirement is tax related, you have to declare your profession (and claiming to be a “freelance”. In the city of Zurich (the biggest in the country) there are also some structures to make the work safer for streets workers, so they don’t have to get in a car with strangers (no idea if they are actually appreciated by the workers tho). People need a license to open a brothel (and it cannot be a place where people live, it has to be dedicated to the “commercial use”) and the owner can hire people to work there (even without being themselves a sex worker, because capitalism, of course). They are considered employees and are therefore protected by unions (although in recent times the left and unions are talking about decriminalisation and similar, so limits of this approach are emerging). Obviously a brothel can be run as a coop, but that’s not often the case because the stigma persists and of course it’s not considered a “good” profession, so usually people who do such job are poor and have difficulties in renting a space where to work etc. Generally speaking I think a form of legalisation is necessary, but as pointed out in the video it can create problems if done poorly. Furthermore often people who are “employees” are exploited, so the legalisation can hide the same old shit (as said in the video). But I think the actual problem there is capitalism and its dynamics, not the nature of the state imposing rules on sex working, I mean, isn’t an Amazon employee who can’t go to the bathroom deeply exploited violating their own body autonomy as well?

love the framing device, this was great!

This was a fantastic video! I know non-monetizable videos are often not shown to as many people, but that would be a damn shame in this case.