Tarantino was right, if von Trier had written this for the stage he would have won a Pulitzer.

@sjuninho1000

Ай бұрын

When and where he say that ?

"You forgive others with excuses that you would never in the world permit for yourself". I saw this movie at the cinema in 2003, and at this point I had the complete feeling that James Caan had turned towards me to tell me that. This single sentence changed my life in many aspects. I can't count how many times since then I've remembered it when someone is malicious or negligent with me or others, and I can't count how many times I´ve repeated this to my sisters and my friends. "Don't do others what you don't want for yourself" is just one side of the coin. The other says "Don't permit others what you don't permit to yourself"

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

I know exactly what you mean. It was an eye opener for me too. And then I had my eyes opened a few more times since. And I come back to it and ask myself would I forgive myself if I has done this. Or “was their best good enough?”

@bigtupa5613

Жыл бұрын

and thats why i kill everyone who wronged me (:

"...but you must maintain your own standards. You owe them that, you owe them that!" Exactly.

As a social worker I have worked with many victims of whatever situation or crime you can imagine. Many times they themselves enabled said situations by tolerating and being "patient and understanding". They might not be to blame, but they did have responsibility - they owed to themselves and did not deliver. Victims can indeed be very arrogant. When I tell people that, they call me a victim-blamer, but those people are usually arrogant too.

@mortenovergaard7397

9 ай бұрын

a lot of people make really bad excuses for their wrongdoings. truth is.. they just don't want to change.

oh my fucking god this is me. I must be the most arrogant fuck on the planet. This movie made me realize... I am so grateful for this scene Can't even express

Father forgive them for they know not what they do.

Kidman was effortlessly brilliant in this.

@travisbickle3835

4 ай бұрын

Yeah one of her best my perosnal favourite

@attyjosh

4 ай бұрын

@travisbickle3835 I understood why it wasn't even campaigned for Best Actress cuz first, it's an experimental film that's so outside the comfort zone of the Academy and second, her bigger film Cold Mountain was the focus for her supposed 3rd Oscar nod. And speaking of CM, I just recently saw it again, and she wasn't bad at all as Ada Monroe. As a matter of fact, I very much prefer her performance than Hughes and Morton who are both supporting and even that of Keaton's. I guess coming from a fresh win for her very transformational turn in The Hours, she raised the bar for herself. But in CM, her portrayal is full of nuances and subtleties. I must admit 20 years ago I was underwhelmed, but now, I dare say she was brilliant as Ada.

"You have this preconceived notion that nobody, listen, that nobody can't possibly attain the same high ethical standards as you, so you exonerate them. I can not think of anything more arrogant than that." That line hit me like a ton of bricks. I actually saved it to my computer and I look on it from time to time when I get my head too far up my own ass.

This movie was incredible

"Some things you gotta do yourself." I know not a better line in modern cinema.

Caan is brilliant. Very realistic delivery

Δίκιο, δίκιο...και πάλι δίκιο Andy!!!!!!! Πάντα! :)

This movie was great.

I think this is a kind of twisted exchange between Jesus (Grace) and God (her father). She is against the harsh ideals expected of people by the likes of old norms (Old Testament), and advocates gentler standards for the people even though she has been treated horribly. Tom is Judas in this scheme. The similarities die there. Whereas Jesus canonically gave himself up and lowered God's standards (in a way), Grace does the opposite and imposes God's wrath - a somewhat misogynst conclusion.

@misterx5115

3 жыл бұрын

"misogynst"... You were doing well until you fell deeply in the common places. That kind of senseless reasonings, 8 years ago, opened the patht to nowadays stupidity

@Balfour.

3 жыл бұрын

I think he might have meant to say "misanthropic" conclusion

@fluff975

3 жыл бұрын

@@Balfour. yes. exactly. thats the perfect word to describe the whole film and von trier himself.

@rawan3521

Жыл бұрын

Jesus should kill god , not his people, for people only follow the will of god .

@mishynaofficial

10 ай бұрын

​@@fluff975his misanthropy is reasonable.

That's a cool conversation. So real. Especially from James Caan. Fathers do talk like that.

Next level dialogue.

The father is more grounded in reality to see the things how they are 👍

Thisis one of the most memorable scenes I've ever seen;a rewarding philisophical debate-but terrifying-because of the stakes involved;Lars might be a jerk,and have some ignorantly nasty perceptions about the immorality of the poor-but he "knows drama"...

@misterx5115

3 жыл бұрын

Non politically correct does not mean "jerk"

@mishynaofficial

10 ай бұрын

​@@misterx5115judging people by their social status does mean he's a jerk.

@tetsuolionheart9611

10 ай бұрын

​@@mishynaofficialSo do you believe one's status is society dictates their morals? That personal responsibility and accountability is exclusive to one grouo. Honestly you sound a lot like Grace.

@mishynaofficial

10 ай бұрын

@@tetsuolionheart9611 You misread my comment.

@travisbickle3835

4 ай бұрын

Bro you hear this guy say "i understand Hitler" in a jokey way once and decide he's a jerk the real man is more left wing than you can think

Know this conversation..💔

for the worse, then. Lars Von Trier is a brilliant director with a profoundly twisted world view. He reads Nietzsche with the same sophistication as Hitler. Bjork called him an emotional pornographer.

@Dyler

4 жыл бұрын

You're an empathetic person, but clearly you have never been abused because of your empathy. I have and that's why this scene reasonates with me. I think this kind of speech takes serious, real world life experience to understand. Theoretical need not apply.

@jaiskreno

3 жыл бұрын

!

@pathetic2399

Жыл бұрын

@@Dyler exactly. The whole speech makes a lot of sense

@HaraldSjellose

Жыл бұрын

you read just too much.

@chickenringNYC

4 ай бұрын

Bjork is a washed up cry baby

I unverstand but i feel Grace with all in me.

@michellebenarbia690

3 жыл бұрын

We are only human and not given the god clean Power to destroy. That is gods job alone. Unless you dont Respect the higher Power to pray for your enemies you are one of them ! Question: do you Want to become your enemie?

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

Well maybe you can think about it as an analogical movie. A lot of people have pointed out that Grace might represent Jesus and his father God. After all they have complete power over the destruction of dog Ville. This is not the only reading but certainly has been discussed. So in essence your comment is already part of the conversation in the movie.

So it turns out that she’s Jesus?

@Dextear Is this case, liberalism is forgiveness.

"You forgive others with excuses that you would never in the world permit for yourself." "You have this preconceived notion that nobody, listen, that nobody can't possibly attain the same high ethical standards as you, so you exonerate them. I can not think of anything more arrogant than that." Hearing those Jesus doesn't just roll i his grave, but resurrects again. :D All that he said and suffered and died for, gone in a few sentences. :D

@mishynaofficial

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. "If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also" by Jesus should win the dumbest quote of all time!

Forgiveness is arrogance? Someway...it may be. Are we arrogant only for bad things...or hope is completely disappeared from human mind...and heart?

@ellebell9139

2 ай бұрын

Yes. Watch the movie, this is like the end of the movie/moral

had an ex like that. Saint at the time, monster in retrospect.

Nice metaphor but I'd rather say that the similarities doesn't stops at the point you've said. Grace's final decision could be called "The Apocalypse", "The Final Judgement". I wouldn't say that her decision is "lowering of standards", but rather reunification, synthesis with her father, and with the humanity, what biblical "Final Judgement", too, really is. (and it is not just total slaughter, remember, Moses, the dog, survived "the judgement" of Dogvillie :D )

fuckin smart

@lavriccat2011 What the hell does this have to do with liberalism?

Jesus

@bluehealer81

Жыл бұрын

Not quite.

@xxxxinnaxxxx I am glad to hear, Your perception has been changed! All liberals should watch this movie. As Michael Savage said: "Liberalism, it's a mental disorder!". Sometimes, it's curable.

quite amazing that an ultra-leftist euro, created the greated anti-amrican-liberal film ever. Tom is the american liberal...

@creichling2638

Жыл бұрын

Ha ha. It is about human beings in general, but Americans in particular. Lurking beneath the apple-pie friendliness and moral righteousness are violence and mendacity.