It has come to my attention (definitely by my own research and NOT AT ALL because I've gotten 445 comments) that the Saint came before the Escape. thank you all for correcting me! Appreciate your contributions to this community and sport :)

Those tee pads are amazing.

I've been using the escape and getaway as my 1-2 punch for fairways for a few months. Loving that combo.

I bag a saint and it has to be my favorite disc, I feel like it always flies the way I want it and just feels amazing out of the hand. Had a learning curve throwing it though and learning the turn on it

Thanks for reaching out Sir. My Putting is improving well. Currently dialing in at 30 feet. Release on drives flatter and straighter. Tough year on practice time. Lots of mandatory OT at job site.

I love the visual effects you added throughout the video...adding flight lines without zooming would be sweet too and gives more of a feel to how the disc flew.

Thanks for this vid! Been curious about this for a while

You made the comment that the Saint is a "baby" Grace, and I couldn't agree more! I bagged the saint since I started playing, and loved that it would hold whatever line I put it on, but would always fade back at the end. The Grace does just that, but faster! I've always called the Grace the "Big Sister" of the Saint and It's nice to hear the same from someone else.

The saint was my first disc, and I got so attached to it that I have 3 in my bag nowadays. OptoX Saint is my favorite, more overstable than Opto saints. It's a great disc for standstill shots and "get-out-of-trouble" shots on wooded courses because of the glide.

Entertaining vid, thanks for showing these two off!

Love me some Escapes. Most recently added a Lucid Air Escape (158g) for my old man noodle arm, I am loving it!

That delivery on the joke about being a math channel half way through. That my friend was Gold, Classic.

Nice review Sir. I too feel the 7 glide is a stretch as far as my L64 River is concerned. Only 18 months into my journey with the game. Only at throwing 250/270 so far and yes practice putting is so important.

@KhufuhK

9 ай бұрын

You are now 27 months into your journey, how's it going?

Loving all the Tom Brown footage. It's my home course and I play it at least twice a week. Good choice on skipping #4.

DD discs have always been made by Latitude and the Saint was actually released before the Escape.

I love the Escape. My go to stable fairway. Can turn and if release angles aren’t flat. It’s a very good disc overall.

I love the bit you said at the start that you underestimate the stability of a -1 disc, that is so real with so many people. People absolutely think that the Saint is a roller when new, same with the Fuse and even the Pure. They're for sure understable but not a roller for most people.

I have been cycling saints for 3-4 years now. plastic has a big influence, mostly in that the Gold line plastic is significantly more consistent disc to disc, where as the opto plastic stability and glide varies drastically depending on color/opaqueness, I don't know if that is anyone else experience. Love your content! Keep on crushing it :)

Nice review as always! Thx

Been bagging a fuzion orbit escape, a supreme escpae, and an opto saint for the last couple months trying to work out this slot and this finally convinced me to pull my saint. Keep up the great work!

@brandonbensel3536

Жыл бұрын

How do the orbits fly? More or less stable than stock fusion?

Nice review i used to throw the saint i threw it away a windy day but i replaced it with discmania essence no regrets yet😁

Hope you're doing good and also this video is going to be an amazing video for me since i want yo try both of these disc

The Westside Stag is the best control driver in that slot (in my opinion). 8/6/-1/2

@ryanmussell739

Жыл бұрын

Picked up a stag 3 weeks ago and love it.

I actually bag both! The Saint was my first disc that I could get over 300 ft and the escape was one I could get past 250 ft when I first started. I also bag the Saint Pro which is a straight flier for me

I'm looking forward to that Discology Bags review! Curious to hear which one you prefer, I went Izzo for the extra storage space, but that OG looks real nice too.

I bag the same saint very stable I love it the explorer and the retro river.

You are making great puts there😁

Thanks! Have been on the fence to buy these! This review have some nice full flight in slight headwind - the shot you really want to see to compare it to other discs the best. Seems I'd love both of these discs, BUT recently jumped on the Hybrid/Control Driver-train as seen in comments lately. Seems I can use my Fenrir for this slot, its not OS as its numbers suggests (10,4,0,3), it holds an anhyzer very well on backhands in Armor- and got some turn in Storm-plastic. ^_^

Would love to see a similar biobi vid comparing 3 mvp family molds.. the volt, the Tesla and the wrath..

Spot on conclusion.

I have 2 Escape in fuzion: 174 g and 170g. Absolutely love them out to 325. Very flat with a good, consistent fade. The 170 g even has a bit of flip for me, which is handy. Want to try the River next.

This is a great comparison. I use both the Saint and the Escape as my forehand drivers, and the Saint is DEFINITELY more glidy for me. The Escape is good for control and tunnel drives (or sometimes approaches) while the Saint is a bomber.

The Opto Saint ages like no other disc. It turns into a distance driver eventually. But for some reason, although it has more turn than the Saint Pro it also has more fade. The Saint EXCELS at low lines.

Draco vs Firebird vs Felon I'm not biased...*cough cough* but the Draco is a God sent.

I have an old Escape with the 9 6 .5 2 stats sitting on my shelf. You should try a Fission Crave VS the River

I like the Escape. Every time I get a new one, I fall in love with it for about 2 weeks... then it beats into very flippy and is just a roller disc. Wish it would stay at it stability that it starts with

@welcomesendys7559

Жыл бұрын

Getaway lover here. Please give the mold a try in Lucid or hybrid. It starts off stable, but it beats in to what you want your escape to be for a long long time, and with the 2.0 rim width they go farrrr far. Seriously its so underrated.

@mikec1571

Жыл бұрын

@@welcomesendys7559 I’m going to give that Getaway a try! Thanks for the suggestion.

@jwoellhof

Жыл бұрын

@@welcomesendys7559 this. exactly. throw Getaways. the new Mason Ford Orbit Getaways are pure MONEY. Not the earlier hybrid plastic which are more stable than Felons...unless you need that slot also.

Great review man. But that area is tight because the striker is between those two. I prefer the striker because I have a slow arm.

I bagged an Opto Saint for quite a while. Flew beautifully out of the box, like a very easy -2/2. After about 4 months it became too flippy, easily a -4/2 or -4/1.

I love Tom Brown Park.

Just got my first ace at 4H in Pensacola with the Saint after only playing disc golf for 1 month

I've been bagging a saint ever since I started. In my opinion it's a very good starter disc even tho it's a fairway it's just so controllable for me and now it's beaten up so it's so flippy and I easily hyzer flip and it just glides straight the whole way. Very good disc

I had a saint once but when I was doing fieldwork I threw a 330-340ft roller with it and a tweaker on a bicycle rode past, bent over and picked it up without stopping. I no longer have a saint.

@pbgamble

Жыл бұрын

Great story 🐱

Quality video

I would revisit the saint for hyzer flips you can get great 330+ low straight shots with it with little effort once you can throw drivers 400+ . Its a cheat code in the woods. Also as you get more power you can get more lines out of it as you work different power levels and degree of hyzer. Once you get the touch of it, it's money. plus they beat in well. For new players get a lighter one for the same effect. A lighter saint is a great teacher to learn hyzer flips and learn to to work angles. If your new but serious its really a great disc to learn to throw smooth with and grow with.

I know you haven’t gotten your hands on the supreme escape yet, but you should (whether you film a bag it or bin it or not). It’s genuinely incredible. Flips right up and fades perfectly. It’s incredibly reliable. Quickly becoming my workhorse and you can’t beat the plastic (basically Royal Grand)

@andrewb9942

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. I find myself grabbing it just for the feel of the plastic, but it's stable enough to rip but totally capable of finishing a complete turnover line when put on anhyzer.

"that's so good anthony" It's hilarious when you do that!!! 7 Glide seems like a great disc but i agree seems more like a 6 or 5.5 glide

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

gotta have that positive self talk! lol

@discjunkiesDGT

Жыл бұрын

@@BodanzaDiscGolf more of that introspection helps us AM's to think things through at that PRO level

So we should have a I bag the river and the saint and I've tested so many discs comparing glide. They definitely have a seven glide 😁🤘🏼

Tom Brown is such a fun course, soooo easy to go OB on hole 1 up the gut

Supreme Escape is awesome.

The RIVER is a criminally underrated disc. It glides like forever and is super straight. I bag it in two molds.

@colinhayes2514

Жыл бұрын

I really liked the river too but once they beat in they just turn for me

Also the other brother the Maul is amazing to Heizer flip

I have both in the air range so lighter weights. OF the two I reach more for the saint. But....... even more pulled from the bag is the air Jade. even lighter still. But if it is windy? Bets are off, going back to the explorer. Nice to see you compare them both though. My hubby is more the Escape user.

Anybody who doesn't know the saint..... doesn't know disc golf. Ever heard of someone named John E McCray? I throw the saint all the time and john e is still one of my favorites. ✌️

@dhandyside420

Жыл бұрын

My pro saint is a John E McCray signature, my other saint is a frost line.... slightly less stable. If I lost either....I'd quit disc golf.

Escape is one of the glidiest discs I’ve thrown I can’t imagine a glidier version

The Saint in base plastic is money money money. One of the most slept on. Opto is a little more stable.

I believe DD has always had their discs designed and produced by L64. IMO the vast majority of molds from the Trilogy brands have clearly been done by the same design team, and it's even creeping into the design language of the Discmania stuff now being made with them too.

@pbgamble

Жыл бұрын

No, DD use to stamp their logo on multiple manufacturers. But yes, since they've released their "own" line Tomas has designed everything.

@MaxLBogue

Жыл бұрын

@@pbgamble That's what I meant when I said "their" discs; a lineup specifically designed for their brand. A DD stamped destroyer is not a DD disc, definitely was not trying to imply that

@pbgamble

Жыл бұрын

@@MaxLBogue 😎🤙

Please let me know next time you are in Tallahassee. There are a few of us that would play with you.

I feel like the star eagle would be a great disc for bag

If you want to see the 7 glide, you need to hyzerflip the disc on a hard, really low shot. Like hip height. But damn does the Saint go far on that shot.

@petrifiedmonk

Жыл бұрын

I found the same thing about the saint. I use it to shred wooded courses because of it.

Well I have a semi beat in champ savant and new lucid escape, escape has more turn, but I am getting more distance out of the savant ( but I mean I've been throwing the savant like 10 months and the escape about 5 days) and obviously you learn a disc with more time throwing it but that being said I'd say the savant is only 10-15 ft more on average, it will be interesting once I learn the escape and it beats in a bit. The champion Savant I'm more like -.33 turn not quite a -.5 yet alone the -1 advertised and this is with it beat in and with about 350ft -375ft of power on it. I don't have a huge arm but I also wouldn't say a 9 speed is too much disc for me either. But yeah escape regularly turns what ide expect a -1 to do, the savant, honestly it's probably just similar to a very beat in thunderbird, but I haven't had a chance to throw a thunderbird yet alone a few years beat in one. But I like the turn from the escape, means I can hit a straight shot while backing off of it a little bit. That being said my teebrid3 was bombing before I lost it. And I think it beat in to have more turn than my Savant, even though it started in champ much more stable than the savant. It gained some turn and lost a little bit of fade.

I bagged a saint for a while. It was great at 4000 elevation

You should check out the halo centurion to replace your river.

The only one I have experience with is the new Supreme Escape. For me max 300 feet distance, the 9/5/-1/2 numbers are pretty spot on. Honestly it throws like a faster Crave to me.

Did you know that Thomas Ekström designed both discs and he designed the majority of all the trilogy discs

Does the little bit of dome make it uncomfortable for forehands? MVP Tesla is my 9/5/-1/2 but was interested in a Escape, didn’t know about that Saint.

I’ve switched to dynasty for this slot. Just a little more reliable than my escape

Saint is defo 7 glide! Same for the River. BUT, (There's always a "but"!) The River can't be thrown with full power. It is designed to take 70% of your max, and then blow your mind with how far and how straight it glides. Saint should be called "River Plus" in my view. It's a River your can hit with 90-100% of your power, without burning over.

I'd like to see the Saint compared to the Kastaplast Lots

The Trilogy Challenge Saint is more stable, very similar to an Escape. I bag Escapes still and the Supreme Escape is fantastic, a tick more stable and easy to throw on a rope 350-375ft.

Not a huge fan of my River unless I just haven't figured it out.

I wish you would say what flight numbers you would give to the disc at the end of videos

The kastaplast lots is a king in this slot

The Crave is a better version of the River ... It is silly! I love rivers, and still have one really beat in guy ( it's my get out of jail or tired arm disc) >>> I think you might love it!

@JayDeeTee

10 ай бұрын

Noooooo🤪river is so much better at least for beginners. River is my far most reliable fairway weapon..

I feel like the way you describe glide is what it actually should mean from an aerodynamics perspective. That is to say, a glidier disc will stay in it's "high speed" characteristic (turn) longer than a less glidey disc would before entering the "low speed" (fade) part of the flight. I'm not sure if that's what companies actually use it for or how the rating is even determined, but it makes sense to me. I always find it easier to keep turn on a glidier disc. Then again, maybe I'm completely wrong?

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

That's how I think about it when I talk about it so if I'm against what the companies say who knows, but that's what it will mean on this channel lol

This is my main driver. I bag 2 of them.

The Saint came out before the escape so if anything the escape is a flatter version of the Saint, not the other way around!

Anthony, what bag do you currently use? Also, have never thrown a river, but had a opto saint in my bag for a year or so, before the westside stag took it's place. It was a little more controllable fairway for me.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

Testing the discology bags (they have 2) I have them linked in the description with a discount code if you want to check them out (affiliate)

I’ll have to give the Saint another try with my form improving. I might be able to get some turn out of it.

I bag an Opto Air Saint (154g), and it’s actually board flat. Thing is my hyzer flip disc for tunnel shots in the woods that need to push straight for forever. One of the best discs you can bag! Sneaky sneaky good! I do also have a regular opto Saint that’s max weight and way more stable for pushing hyzer shots. Opto air Saint for the win baby

@Chubbydippin

Жыл бұрын

Got a couple of the opto air saints and couldn't agree more. Great disc. I still miss the opto air Halos. Wish they still made them.

Oh i tree, lets park there

For me, Trilogy Glide numbers seem to be less about raw distance and more about how the disc flies. The Saint flight-both in my experience and in this video-is a bit smoother and floatier compared to the Escape, and tends to sit down more than crash into the ground. The Saint is touchier, and needs to be thrown smoother to really get that good flight. One of my playing buddies throws an Escape over a Saint because he's less smooth, which tends to make the Saint turn over for him and negate any benefit of the glidier flight. I throw the Saint instead because I like the floatier flight better for shaping shots. They go about the same distance overall, though. I find there's a similar situation between the River and the Maverick, which are basically the Speed 7 equivalents.

Lol “this is a math channel now”

The River is the best 7 glide in my opinion

@dalereinhold640

Жыл бұрын

Glitch for the win!😉

I was really disappointed in the Saint. My Fission Insanity (9,5,-2,1.5) goes about 30-50 feet further than my Saint.

Just noticed the new bag 👀👀👀 whatcha rocking now??

@zacharybunfill1791

Жыл бұрын

Lol. Just got to the part about the bag😂😂

@jwmacr

Жыл бұрын

Discology Izzo in this vid. It’s really similar to the Latitude 64 Luxury E4 at a way better price point. I have one and it’s been great. No regrets.

@zacharybunfill1791

Жыл бұрын

@@jwmacr that sounds sick🤘 if I don’t get a squatch bag for Christmas I’ll have to check it out. Using the affiliate link of course❤️

Saint is good

Saint was in production long before the escape was ever made. Plastic definitely has more to do with it than you give it credit. The old original plastic that Latitude used flies much differently than the modern day plastic.

Try a Mint Jackalope. It fills this slot for me. Speed: 8.0 Glide: 5.0 Turn: -2.0 Fade: 1.0

@mikec1571

Жыл бұрын

I still need to try the Grace and Saint

It's hard to tell in this videos if there being honest . Did give one disc a bad throw or did he the other disc a good throw. What disc is he trying to look good? Or what disc is he trying bad?

@wireycoyote3544

Жыл бұрын

Well jokes on anyone who watches one guy throw a disc and decides they 'need' it or not...

The saint was pdga approved before the escape. So no it is not a copy ish of the escape

I miss the days when KZread was all about video messaging where you responded to vids with your own instead of leaving comments 😎🤙

Innova Gazelle or Leopard > River

Cool

We will no longer be using the position you were at on hole 1

if you are testing 2 discs against each other you should be trying to throw them the same not correcting on your second disc....

you have great reviews, but slow down please.

Unless you have only Used a disk very minimally than you should not use it as a tester.

I really want to love your videos. I like your content a lot. You put a lot of effort in and your goal is cool. But man, breath. My opinion is, you should add more quieter moment, you are constantly speaking. Add to that, the fact that you are talking quite fast (not a problem when isolated), it makes your videos a little overwhelming.

Bro...just throw them in an empty field lol

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

sounds boring

The saint is a great disk. But horrible with any wind of any kind.

@ChaosKLC

Жыл бұрын

Those -1 -2 discs are no no's in wind haha. Left to right wind though is a dream with understable discs.

@pbgamble

Жыл бұрын

Next time you get 20 mph winds, head to a field and just learn how to throw it 💀👍

@ChaosKLC

Жыл бұрын

@Brandon Gamble if you're practicing throwing understable discs in the wind, idk what to tell you besides stop my man. Lol

@austing7820

Жыл бұрын

@@ChaosKLC I mean just depends on what wind there is you would throw understable

@MaximilianBerkmann

Жыл бұрын

@@ChaosKLC You know that not every wind make discs more understable right?