Does Rudy Gobert's defense make him a superstar?
Is Rudy Gobert a star because of his defense or is he overrated because he flames out in the playoffs? This detailed film breakdown & scouting report of the Utah Jazz center examines just how valuable Rudy's defensive impact is while incorporating analytics & stats to assess his overall impact.
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"Avoid him like he has an infectious disease" that is all time level lowkey shade. Bravo Thinking Basketball
@Yeongboemkim365
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s throwing some shade it is funny though
@nyawho.
4 жыл бұрын
Well there's a reason some of those guys that avoided him didnt get infected
@minjookim2278
4 жыл бұрын
TB: “avoid him like he has an infectious disease” Rudy: *am I a joke to you*
@buffbanana15
4 жыл бұрын
My first thought was, "Well, THIS didn't age well." Then I realized this was a recent post.
@rogeliochavez40
4 жыл бұрын
Jajsjaja boy, I came to the see if someone else noticed that. That was nasty
4:53 "he will also bust out an old Hakeem Olajuwon move and throw a hand while contesting shots...." Ben's basketball knowledge is unbelievable. People who know more about his works know that very well
@gurjassinghbatra5758
4 жыл бұрын
Very true
@kags9367
4 жыл бұрын
"Ben's basketball knowledge is unbelievable" Dude, yes. His Backpicks GOAT Series is so informative: backpicks.com/2017/12/11/the-backpicks-goat-the-40-best-careers-in-nba-history/ He talks in-depth about 40 players, ranking the Most valuable Overall Careers: [top 3] No. 3: Michael Jordan (highest peak ever, lower longevity than Bron/Kareem) www.backpicks.com/2018/04/08/backpicks-goat-2-michael-jordan/ No. 2: LeBron James (great longevity, very high peak) www.backpicks.com/2018/04/05/backpicks-goat-3-lebron-james/ ^ LeBron used to be No. 3 but Ben moved him up to No. 2 after the 2018 playoffs No. 1: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (insane longevity and high peak) www.backpicks.com/2018/04/12/backpicks-goat-1-kareem-abdul-jabbar/
@nathanshlap
4 жыл бұрын
Ben did in depth film and analytical study on the top 40 NBA players of all time. He knows this shit too well
@armandodelossantos736
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine how great Gobert protects the rim, that even at his best defensive season so far he had 214 blocks and 49 steals but Olajuwon's best defensive season he had 376 blocks and 174 steals... while avg 24.8pag, 13.5rag lol man the NBA has fallen so far
@kags9367
4 жыл бұрын
@@armandodelossantos736 blocks underrate Gobert's impact though, as Ben mentioned in the video, because offensive players so often pass the ball away before he even gets a chance to challenge their shots when they see him waiting in the lane. Is Hassan Whiteside your defensive player of the year, then, since he's the blocks leader? The Blazers have the 4th worst defense in the NBA. EDIT: I'm not trying to diss Hakeem, mind you, he was one of the 5 best defenders ever. I'm just saying that steals and blocks don't reflect Gobert's true impact, not by a long shot
Nah seriously though Rudy is a whole ass system. His defense is so impactful it’s crazy.
@Thanosdidtherighthing
4 жыл бұрын
I could only imagine Shaq playing today. The defensive prowess of Rudy Gobert, plus elite athleticism and elite offensive scoring volume and efficiency
@trishantchhetry8443
4 жыл бұрын
@@Thanosdidtherighthing Ehh Shaq had Gobert-like defensive success for maybe a year (his second place DPOTY finish in 2000), he otherwise lacked the focus and motivation on that end. Plus in today's game that spams 3s and PnRs, he would probably be worse. Ofc the offensive excellence would be something to watch though
@shaneyy__
4 жыл бұрын
Trishant Chhetry or he would be even better in a system surrounded by snipers. You never know 👀
@Emdee47317
4 жыл бұрын
@@shaneyy__ he was talking about defense fam.
@ttiop
4 жыл бұрын
Diego Velazquez shaq was only really good at defence in his first 2 seasons, after that Gobert defensively (srsly I only mean at defence) is better
The comments: 10% wow this guy has high basketball knowledge 90% avoid him like an infectious disease LMAOOOOOO LOLXD 😂😂
@smacky101
4 жыл бұрын
Why not both
@ObnoxiousOtter8
4 жыл бұрын
‘Had me dyin cuh 🤣🤣💯💯🥴🥴💀💀💀💀🔪🔪💸💸’
Avoid him like he has a disease lol that hurt
That's one of the best and complete analysis of Gobert, a seriously underrated player!
I would like to see a video on john Collins, he’s such an interesting player in today’s era
@dariusduffie8377
4 жыл бұрын
My favorite player on my favorite team
@538696
4 жыл бұрын
The problem is it's unclear who Collins will be. I'd rather the video come out next year to see the jump on year 4.
@smithsgonefishing
4 жыл бұрын
@@538696 he's a walking 20 and 10 wym who will be b u dont watch huh
@Richbeans115
4 жыл бұрын
@@smithsgonefishing Almost everything he scores is set up for him. It doesnt mean he isnt a good finisher...but he isnt a walking 20 and 10 without a good offensive fulcrum next to him.
@Jerome-Boateng
4 жыл бұрын
Richbeans115 There were a few games last year that we played without Trae, and John Collins was the focal point of the offense. Go watch our home game against the Clippers. He scored 36 points with a washed Jeff Teague and an undrafted free agent at point guard. He also dropped 30 on the Celtics, without Trae. Did I mention he shot 40% from three, on 4 attempts per game? Collins is a legit offensive weapon. And his defense isn’t as bad as people think.
Bro Make your vids 10 min long for extra revenue, your vids way too high quality for you not to get that bag
@jondabasol4613
3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Get that bag brother!
I always disagreed with many people's assertions (including bbballbreakdown) that his defense is easily exploited in the playoffs. Thank you for making this video! I have always enjoyed your excellent work.
@VictorFPoB
4 жыл бұрын
That's because BballBreakdown is a pseudo basketball intellectual. He's not terrible, better than most NBA KZreadrs like LOW, JimmyHighRoller etc. but people praise him for literally pointing out what's happening in a video, when in actuality his player evaluation sucks. Proof is with his belief that Kobe is better than LeBron and his high praise for T-Mac's overrated scoring. It's all eye-test and surface level.
@tanver14
4 жыл бұрын
@@VictorFPoB his very pseudo intellectual. Describing a play and explaining things are different. Ben explains even when a pass is made that a better pass is also available like when a player is closer to the basket it becomes a higher percentage shot. BBALLBREAKDOWN just describes plays and I can't stand his smugness in thinking he knows more than most NBA scouts.
@wallstreetzoomer
4 жыл бұрын
@@VictorFPoB He is basically reading out the play by play on nba.com in his "game breakdown" lmao He knows how to execute some plays because he is a high school coach but other than that, he is pretty mid
@Shaklore
4 жыл бұрын
Victor Arendse May I ask in which video did he say Kobe is better than Lebron?
@Shaklore
4 жыл бұрын
Alamin Tanver I think his talent is in evaluating team offenses, team defenses, and coaching
His defense is unbelievable. He shut down whole league.
@arnelcabusao8729
4 жыл бұрын
Wow very original 🙃
@FrenchPendule
4 жыл бұрын
Move.
@Richbeans115
4 жыл бұрын
He was defending himself from smart decision making.
@arityariv
4 жыл бұрын
This just ain’t funny anymore, please stop with that stupid joke, it wasn’t just him and it woulda obviously happen sooner or later anyways
@DynamicGuy123
4 жыл бұрын
Arit,Yariv Tal someone’s mad
Great video, thanks from a Jazz fan. I think his impact is widely underestimated for people who don’t regularly follow the Jazz
I have always thought he was very underappreciated. This was the first year he has been an All star; which is completely ridiculous. If You are and Elite defender who is average at offence, you struggle to make the all star game. If you are an elite offensive player who is bad at defense, you can be MVP.
hes unbelievably good and effective, i cant believe my eyes when watching these clips
Please, I need more Jazz analysis, I don’t know where else to get it. Thank you for the video
One of my favorite yet. An actual nuanced look at value in the playoffs
"Avoid him like he has an infectious disease" BRUH
I’ve obsessively consumed basketball content on the internet and yours is my favorite. I wish you could upload daily lol and had the exposure you deserve! I understand so much more about the game with your content.
“Like he has an infectious disease”😂LMAOO
@rudygobert3456
3 жыл бұрын
they disrespected me :'(
2:30 What a lovely game of 3on3
“want to avoid him like he has an infectious disease” okay thinking basketball
@yaboicash6666
4 жыл бұрын
No chill 😂
@arthgupta1113
4 жыл бұрын
straight fire
the amazing thing of ruby gobert is how well he controls his body to not get into foul trouble. If only the jazz were to take advantage of him and reach atleast the conference finals but alas idk when ill see that again being a jazz fan.
@Thanosdidtherighthing
4 жыл бұрын
His biggest problem is that he has no offensive game minus catching lobs. No jump hook, no fade-away, no drop step, no ball handling, etc.
I really like his game, and thought him getting "played off of the court" was overstated. Interesting video and as usual, very well reasoned take.
@woblyskygaming997
2 жыл бұрын
His teammates should have rotated
These videos have been keeping me going through this lockdown
This is easily the best basketball channel on any platform. Would love to see a video on Bam Adebayo, Jrue Holiday, and Ben Simmons.
@SoloPerICommenti
4 жыл бұрын
Ben Simmons already done
Great vid. I argued with people who think Adebayo has surpassed Gobert as a defender because he's more switchable, but you really hit the nail on the head when you showed not only that Rudy is not bad on the perimeter, but he is also a paint protector and not only a rim protector.
Great video. I really wish you would have discussed his "screen assist" ability. Really is one of his better skills. Great job.
Besides his incredible length, Gobert also does an incredible job of keeping his hands/arms up when moving.
Thank you. Tired of people saying he gets played off the floor in the playoffs when they obviously never even watched the games.
0:57 no holding back I see 🤣🤣
Such a good video!! So sick of hearing people say Rudy sucked in the playoffs, I always think "Did they even watch those last three games?!?" And you clearly did!
Great video that do justice to Rudy's defensive impact. It would have been a nice complement to also put other defensive star centers of the past to put some perspective, like Mutombo, Olajuwon, Mourning and Robinson.
@armandodelossantos736
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine how great Gobert protects the rim, that even at his best defensive season so far he had 214 blocks and 49 steals but Olajuwon's best defensive season he had 376 blocks and 174 steals.... While avg 24.8p, 13.5r lol man the NBA has fallen so far
Unfortunately you can't block shots that teams won't even attempt... so underrated
I get wayyy to happy when I see a new thinking basketball video
He shoots 69.8% FG (second highest in the league), 3rd in total rebounds this season, 4th in blocks and is gonna be a 3-peat DPOY.
LOVING THE BACKGROUND MUSIC!!!! MAKES YOUR ANALYSIS SOUND SO INTENSE. LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. BEST KZread CHANNEL. KEEP IT UP BROTHER
all of your videos are just fantastic, thank you so much for all the effort you put into them!
“Everyone wants to avoid him like he has an infectious disease.” BRUH TOO SOON
Seems like a good time to revisit this 🤣😂😂🤣🤣
hey! i'd love a video on Bam Adebayo sometime, i think a player with such a great combination of defense and playmaking would be a really cool exhibition. thank you!
"Blitzkrieg by golden state" ahh I get it
@karlparker5876
4 жыл бұрын
I don't, mind explaining?
@nolanrussell6326
4 жыл бұрын
@@karlparker5876 Essentially, blitzkrieg is an invasion tactic which the Germans successfully used against France in WW2. Since Gobert is from France, it's sort of a pun.
@SoloPerICommenti
4 жыл бұрын
@@nolanrussell6326 wow, I didn't connect the dots. Very well played
First time I’m this early . I love your work . Best basketball channel . Basketball genius . Your work has been a gift to the basketball community. Keep it up .
Questionable wording @4:09 Giannis "can't stretch Gobert with penetration"
@mightysavior74
4 жыл бұрын
I see, ur a man with culture as well
@NuryPPanaligan
4 жыл бұрын
And deep shooting. So kinky.
Finally people can stop saying Rudy Gobert got played off the court against the rockets
@superdudextreme2789
3 жыл бұрын
Well he got played off the court by small ball again. Basically with Gobert if you’re playing a team with a good small ball lineup or just 5 out he’s screwed
@joshwright1697
3 жыл бұрын
@@superdudextreme2789 Gobert isn't even the one who got exposed by small ball. He has to help on every single possession because no other Jazz player can guard. Once Gobert helps there's an easy open pass. And once again, the other jazz players fail to rotate the whole series leaving shooters wide open.
My favorite defensive player ever
After watching this I feel the same way....Offense in today's game is simply more valuable than defense. But I have a newfound respect for Rudy.
@armandodelossantos736
4 жыл бұрын
Well Rudy Gobert only puts up about half of the defensive impact as the centers of the 90's
@Thanosdidtherighthing
4 жыл бұрын
The problem with Rudy Gobert is that outside of catching lobs , he’s a role player offensively. No drop step. No post hook, rarely establishe deep post position, lacks footwork . etc. If he was more of a threat there, then stretch bigs wouldn’t give him that much of a problem since he could counter act their 3’s with efficient two’s but he simply can’t create his own shot.
The more I watch this channel the more I come to the conclusion that this is the best basketball on KZread by a mile. Not even close.
@sakamoto8354
4 жыл бұрын
Mayaka is
Khris Middleton analysis next?
Joke at 0:56 about 'like he has an infection disease' is 10/10.
I am watching this right after watching your Kevin Garnett peak video (KG is my personal favorite player ever, I rooted for the T-Wolves despite living in California, then rooted for the Celtics when he got traded there despite my Laker family lol) because I thought his defense wouldn't compare, especially he lateral and general foot speed to stay in front of wings and forwards, but I am really impressed by his foot speed in this video. It obviously isn't on KG's level, but it would be silly to expect anyone else that size to be able to do that, so this has given me a big respect for Rudy. That being said, I think if he specifically works on it over the summer, he really could do so much better at guarding Jokic. Part of it may have to be finding a healthy way to put on another 15 to 20 pounds honestly.
Finally the music is back!!!
"Avoid him like he has infectious disease" LMAO 🤣
1:03 lmao that was perfect
Thank u for bringing the music back😌. Great video as well
Gobert's screens are insane, probably a 5' width elbow to elbow
Beat stops..... “ that’s an offensive foul”.
“who can’t stretch him with penetration” woajhhh pause
Hey man! Love the videos. Following up on this defensive analysis, it'd be cool to see a video on Jonathan Isaac. He seems to be the heir to the DPOY throne if he can stay healthy so it'd be interesting to watch you dissect his game.
The man who shut down the league, Rudy Gobert. and i'm not talking about his defense.
@Loris71734
4 жыл бұрын
I like the joke but it would've been canceled at some point regardless
@FrenchPendule
4 жыл бұрын
Move.
@armandodelossantos736
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine what centers like Ewing, Robinson,and Olajuwon would do to this league
@winny8139
4 жыл бұрын
@@Loris71734 for sure. last time i checked, 16 players or so tested positive.
This was a goal of yours to attend too, you absolute trailblazer
0:56 trying to avoid him like he has an infectious disease had me weak.
Omfg, “like he has some kind of infectious disease” i cant 😂😂😂😂0:50
Thank you so much. Really wanted this :D Also a great video (as always)
Great vid bro
0:58 I caught that reference lol Amazing video as usual btw
That shot at the Gobert corona situation 💀💀💀💀💀
Interesting, I'd like to hear your analysis on his performance against the Clippers in the second round.
This series should never end.
Even with all the data we have available to us now, Rudy would have been appreciated more in previous eras.
I see what you did there at 0:59 hahaha. I am digging the jab towards Rudy!
Rudy Gobert owns the record for most dunks in a season.
Do an analysis of jimmy butler and/or the heats legitimacy as a team going forward regarding what pieces they need to be title contenders
I don't know if you get enough credit for your humor, but "everyone ... avoid[s] him like he has an infectious disease" is hilarious.
Always great content man. Keep it up ;)
Watching this makes me scared of Rudys paint defense.
9:43 come on you couldn’t have thrown in a few more Rudy clips to get it to 10 minutes ?
@willhooke
4 жыл бұрын
I think Ben takes pride in doing them under 10, tbh ;)
@VictorFPoB
4 жыл бұрын
@@willhooke I get that he doesn't wanna fish for ad revenue, but I sometimes almost feel like he has an obligation to do his best to expand his platform. He's the best analyst out there, possibly and yet we get fed ESPN and these narrative based KZreadrs like LOW, Jimmy and Korzemba who have no idea what they're talking about.
@willhooke
4 жыл бұрын
@@VictorFPoB I think you're right. Maybe Google would increase his visibility if he went to 10+ minutes 🤔
@Mekahw
3 жыл бұрын
Victor Arendse LOW actually knows what he’s talking about. What are you on?
Excellent, as usual ! Thanks
How would Rudy do against those 90s centers like Hakeem, Shaq, Ewing, Admiral and Mourning?
@ratedpending
4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to think pretty well, rim protectors were golden back in the day.
@darrylwallace2428
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think he’d last. The guys you just mentioned knew how to score in their prime, and thrived off physicality. Rudy probably would’ve flopped to try and get guys like them in foul trouble.
@rio7323
4 жыл бұрын
Darryl Wallace players flop because that works, if you drop a player in an era where flopping doesn’t work then they won’t do it
@dasupremegentlelad4321
4 жыл бұрын
@@darrylwallace2428 spoken like a true old head. I think gobert can hold his own against them but he would still get worked at times just like anyone else against these greats
@javierlandaverde4108
4 жыл бұрын
@@darrylwallace2428 I don't think so because Gobert is a traditional center like Mutombo in terms of defense but overall much better. I would say Gobert would do well, would develop more skills as a offensive focal point while still being solid guarding the paint.
"Avoid him like he has an infectious disease" Jabs thrown boys😂
he's a modern day Mutumbo
the "blitzkrieg" still got me laughing
Only one I can think of that isn't a scorer an can be considered that off top my head is probably Rodman because he was so dominant on the glass an defensively with his versatility etc
I would absolutely love to see a video on either Bam Adebayo or Domantas Sabonis.
Gobert's rim protection is elite; it's just that utah struggles so much to generate explosive offense across the team that, though it's unrealistic, I wonder whether he can up his offensive contribution in some other way; just being a diving pnr man and offensive rebounder doesn't seem enough. Could he learn to be a good dribble handoff player?
I love all your stuff man
Ben Simmons defense analysis pls
What a random video among NBA KZread. I’m digging it
0:59 you aint gotta do him like that lmfaoo
Not only is his defensive presence around the paint elite level but his offensive presence is high level with his screens, offensive rebounds and put backs and ofc lob threat. If only he had a jump shot. But his offensive rating is top 10 for the last handful of years.
Yes. Yes it does. One of the best rim protectors ever. He is one of the few centers today who I think could have played against the likes of a Chamberlain, an Abdul-Jabaar, or an Olajuwon.
The way he marches at 0:50.
Great video
Thank you so much for this video
Anyone here after his contract extension ?
@glint6070
3 жыл бұрын
Its funny how many people are trashing it without really understanding his impact
Any day Ben drops a video is a good day
premium quality content as always
A good article name would be the Govert Anitexy around the ring
Your content is great, can you do more analysis of bigmen in the league? Maybe a top 5 best overall bigmen? I’m a big fan of offensive bigmen and we don’t see many of them in the league or they don’t get the recognition they deserve.
@Thanosdidtherighthing
4 жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/iZ5qkrSld8_RocY.html One of the highest peaks for any player not just big men🌝
0:55 oh shit he went there
0:54 *[I frantically start to touch my phone's screen]*
He could work with Chicago but as Ive been saying... you'll need Zo and Caruso healthy to get him crazy easy looks, or maybe he can figure out a shot or two that makes him relevant. He's so tall, I would work on the hook shot, and maybe a pivot like Shaq. Hook them with the elbow a bit and dunk it. He shouldn't be offend by Shaq calling him out, he should go workout with him all summer.