The best players /mute all in low elo and someone once said that if there was voice chat it would be filled with people trying to tell eachother how to play the game

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

VC does bring some back seating with it, I remember that in R6S the last guy alive would get lectured by everyone else. The only valid response to that was "The dead don't talk", would work like 90% of the time lol

I think there is a lens a lot of people miss in this discussion. The increased anonymity from your voice not being shown encourages toxic behaviour (e.g. when the internet came out and people could be their most horrid selves anonymously) and since that has always been part of the game I think it explains why league reaches a new level of toxicity since most toxic people in general are flaming from a place of insecurity. Also the removed anonymity of people that are clearly 13 which encompass much of the auto blame type players in the community in my opinion.

@zumoku8498

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, people flame cause they are completely anonymous, now imagine if some1 had a mic, the toxicity will drop down especially if a 13 year is truing to flame a 20 year old

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

I do believe that this is true to an extent, but then again, it didn't stop people from being creatures in MW2 lobbies, that's why I didn't include that as a positive on the video

Most people are toxic on keyboard but when everyone is on voice chat there is way less toxicity most times no toxicity at all (in my experience) I also believe that people should be less fragile, when a teammate is heavily underperforming and u say something they insta mute no matter if u were nice or mean but if u say it on mic they feel like the whole team is counting on them and suddenly they try harder and keeps the game competitive that's why everyone always so tilted in league ranked because it's called "ranked" but it's not competitive at all it feels like a normal game of league

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

I do think that being actively nice in chat helps avoid most flamers. In fact, I'd say that whenever I play top lane I'm more of a moral support than carry because screw that role

personally I think that a voice to text system could be good since you can be communitive like voice chat without using your voice.

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

I hadn't thought of that, the technology is probably already good enough to account for accents, at least

@idkidc2573

Жыл бұрын

@@minimoYT there's a minecraft youtuber, whose videos i havent personally watched so my word might not be 100% accurate, with a server for youtubers from multiple countries. they have a voice to text mod that writes and translates everything you say with 100% accuracy. so the tech is already here.

imo people would be more scared to be toxic. like normal chat gives a toxic player safety in a sencec voicechat doesn t but it works on both sides... but i m sure it would be duable to do decently

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

On one hand, voice chat does make it more difficult to be a casual prick, but on the other, it's also harder to police voice chat. What I know from MW2 lobbies is that the player with the deepest voice is king

@thamutha

Жыл бұрын

@@minimoYT I don't have a deep voice but im king. Every game that i play i command and they follow. The quiet people will start to talk with my pressence and they will share their ideas and inputs in the game. Now they stand strong and as proud human beings in both game and real life. that is the power of voice comms and the human voice and THE MALE ENERGY.

@VuDude17

Жыл бұрын

my brother in christ have you been in a call of duty lobby

@JustaChomik

Жыл бұрын

@@VuDude17 i was in many more

@thamutha

Жыл бұрын

@@VuDude17 yes and every games commis the same unless if you alpha the lobby and they listen

Toxic players are not punished enough, so having the competitive disadvantage in the team with the toxic players (because you have to mute them) is a positive thing to me. Overall I pretty sure that toxic behavior would be less present in voice comms than in chat or pings. It takes much more to flame someone in voice chat than just writing in chat or spamming pings.

@emanuellopez8578

9 ай бұрын

True

Also HoTS has VC btw and I belive it's so important even on champ select where you could know if you need to dodge a game if your midlane refuese to play AP champs for example PD: Very good video ! keep it up!

@DamonDraven

Жыл бұрын

Or you could pick an AP champ if your midlane refuses to play one.

something that would make sense is if they added it in normals and flex. that way they get a testing ground for it and feedback they could use to then maybe pass it to solo queue. Or keep solo queue the same.

VC‘s positives for League can‘t be compared to shooter games because League is a MOBA. Mobas don‘t NEED VC imo because most of the „complex strategies“ can still be communicated through pings, although a bit more effort. For example if I wanted Ori to give me the ball as J4 I‘d ping help on her and then omw, or if I were the Ori I could ping omw on J4 and then on the enemy team. But even aside from this, at some point we have to hold each player responsible for their own decisions instead of serving them each information on a silver platter or even micromanaging them. I mean if an Ori midlaner does not ball a J4 5 man engage then I‘d argue it is not Riot‘s fault for not introducing VC that the Ori did not do it but we should also put some blame on the Ori and recognize that it‘s fine because if a player doesn‘t understand that specific play then he/she does not belong above a certain rank. Going further even maybe it was the right play to not 5 man ult in this specific scenario which the Ori recognized and maybe protecting the ADC from death was more important in that situation because Ori might have been 4 Levels behind and did no dmg at all or whatever but in any case I believe that we should all adopt the philosophy that in Soloq each and every player should have the freedom to play their champion as they would see most fit.

i think riot should add proximity voice chat that includes everyone, not just your team. Maybe as an april fool's joke?

i'm way better off without VC, the quietness makes me far more concentrated (and yes I also disable text chat and enemy emotes)

@thamutha

Жыл бұрын

ofcourse you are you little snowflake. I bet you don't play a team sport IRl because if you do nobody plays with you because how can they? You need to open your mouth to do so.

@thomasmart

10 ай бұрын

Thats my whole point

The negatives brought up here mostly seem like non issues. The positives outweigh the negatives tenfold by a mile². I really think we need it instead of 42 different pings and a text chat which makes u stop moving for a few seconds.

@minimoYT

9 ай бұрын

I do think the game would be better off with voice chat, all things considered. The negatives still affect other people way more than they would affect me, for example, so from Riot's perspective, implementing VC in a game that's been going without it for so many years is too risky of a move

Ive played multiple games with voice chat and for the most part its just call outs and planning plays. I feel like including vc could seriously improve gameplay. Alot of times in the middle of a lol match you dont have time to type complex plans so when things dont go right people flame each other when in reality all of it can be fixed with quick voice comms on the go. Lets say an orianna is trying to get combo ult with a nocturn but you dont have time to type it out, without vc in soloq you just have to pray he gets the msg and goes and if he never does people just type useless jng. Imo vc can decrease toxicity and increase team oriented plays.

I think Riot knows adding voice chat to solo q is like drinking water to some people. That level of social interaction is just what the game needs. But they are waiting for their game to inevitably go on the decline to add voice chat. This will revive the game instantly imo, as solo q and comms are 2 completely different games. If this is true, I think that is kind of shitty, as they are thinking more for themselves than the requests of the community.

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

It seems like they have plenty of stuff in store right now to revitalize the game, like visual reworks of older champions, renewed focus on game modes and whatnot. Voice Chat is probably more of a profit matter: how many people will they realistically attract to the game compared to how much effort it is to implement properly? Imo I love the social aspect that VC brings. Sure, coordinating plays and shooting people through walls in R6S is fun, but it's the times when the team of randoms is exchanging jokes and singing together that makes the game shine

Playing league is like playing 5v5 basketball/ football. People keep forgetting that there is a score baord and every decision you make is like a long pass, cross, quick passing setup , through ball, pushing forward on the attack securing more goals , falling back on defence preventing said enemy from scoring and even own goals which snowflakes who don't care about the game and troll often do all the time because Riot is king of trolling and toxicity. Whatever i just said is how league works and Riot is working so hard to fight against it. It's all just a bunch of excuses and nonsense. they think players wont quit. Bro the games broken now, new champs ruin the game . so at a gaming stand point it sucks and the Riot Liberals and doing everything they can to try soooo hard into transforming the game into a snowflake unicorn casual game then a competetive esport by removing and damagine the competetive esport side of the game. Only liberals are capable of doing clown world nonsense. Riot is sayign no comms when they are allowed to comms at their workplaces. So riot employees are allowed to communicate with each other but league players can't. HUH?

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think it goes that far, but at this point, the main reason why they don’t add a voice chat is that it'd probably just not be profitable. There's too many people who don’t want it, and the people who do will most likely keep playing anyway

@thamutha

Жыл бұрын

@@minimoYT not for long. I quit and me quitting speaks alt because i'm a hardcore addict of this game purely for the competetive side and the esports ascpect of this game. I'm leaving for the same exact reason " competetive side of the game and esports". Every game today is full of snowflakes who are not competetive or take it seriously. every game has inters and trolls. Despite all that i still play but wait me just stop and uninstall instantly is Riot and all the dumb decisions that is killing the game. So here's what's going to happen. because im competetive and love the esports. Give me solo queue only with voice comms and i'll comeback. keep your end of th bargain and i'll play. Don't and you loose me. because i have "self respect".

@marxist-leninist-protagonist

Жыл бұрын

"riot liberals" lmaoooooooo

@angelnwn

Жыл бұрын

I agree 100 % they are doing everything they can to keep casual gamers happy because they buy skins but I believe it is possible to keep both veterans and casuals happy if u make ranked actually competitive and for hard-core players only give us comms and be tougher on trolls ragers that int when they don't have a good start to a game and spamm ff15 and stop playing seriously

@thamutha

Жыл бұрын

@@marxist-leninist-protagonist League of liberals 2024 rainbow fist riot logo

I want a voice chat just to experience league version of 4 dead players backseating the last one alive

Having voice chat in just Flex Queue may be interesting.

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

Would at least give me a reason to play flex rather than normals, at least it'd be a different experience

in dota you have a behavior system, which allows you to do certain things if you have a high enough score. so if you have lower than 8k, you cant use voice chat, under 6, u cant even used the chat. to get more in score you need to "behave" aschieved by getting commended after the game for doing a good job. most games people will commend you if you commend them, and report you if you used any toxic language. just like in League the system will automaticly detect if you get more than 1 reports from the same game. it works really well in dota so i dont see why it wouldnt work in league of legends. its not like dota is any less toxic than league. imagine trying to spot an invis hero and you have to type out " DUST" every time or just let someone get away because you couldnt communicate to the team in time. Timing is everything in MOBAs so being able to comunicate is A-Z to succeed!

I'd definitely have toxic assholes yelling at each other if it creates a chance that at least one of my games can be coordinated as a team. and I would actually prefer people screaming slurs than passive aggressively typing "?", bait pinging or thumbs up emoting. Like at least it would be entertaining.

We need something like in cod where you kill someone you hear them and they hear you for a brief moment.

@minimoYT

11 ай бұрын

I think you'd do quite well in the salt mining business

@dustyattenborough4007

11 ай бұрын

@@minimoYT i mean it would encourage competition between players + i just wanted to relive the golden days of mw2 through lol.

Since you say you don't know exactly how the honor system works, let me shed a little light on it. One commonly over-looked aspect is how your account gets blacklisted if you have too many reports on it. I used to be really toxic a few years back and I was chat banned more often than I wasn't. Nowadays, I'm perma stuck at honor level 0 because if I type literally anything in the chat and someone reports me I get hit with another chat ban because I have a history of getting mass reported. I literally get banned for typing "bot gap" and nothing else (which pushes my honor level back to 0) meanwhile my friends get off with no punishment after typing literal slurs in the chat (true story) because they don't do it very often. Also, speaking from experience, If you play consistently (let's say 7-10 games a day, every day) it will take about 3 months to get from honor level 0 to honor level 2.

It's so dumb that pros use voice coms but regular games don't have any, a voice chat makes it 100x easier to provide info, you don't want to stop and chat to say "Akali w is on cd" 200years and still not voice chat this company is beyond stupidity

I think there is going to be less toxicity actually

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

I'd say it's a 50-50, there's either less toxicity, or it devolves into an MW2 lobby

Why riot punishes for chat The reason riot has written chat, and refuse to implement voice chat, is for monetary gain. I’ll explain: Let’s say for instance, you have been playing league of legends for 12 years, you own all the champions in the game, and thus, have zero reason to even spend money on a champion ever again. Then let’s assume 70 percent of riots players base, are in this boat. This is a problem for riot, because they want consistent income. So, what do they do to get players who stop spending money, to spend money again? Maybe spent thousands of dollars dedicated to understanding player behavior, then create a system that heavily punishes players… not for trolling, but for typing. Players who are more likely to type, are competitive players who care about the game, while the casual player who is most likely just trolling, doesn’t care about winning or losing. This directly focuses on targeting the veteran player base. Riot likes trolls, because trolls create the environment needed for riot to force competitive players to spend money again. Riot figured out that, by using chat to punish, they could eventually over time give losers que to players who own a lot of champions. This was in the hopes that the player would type, and as a result get their account banned. But this was riots goal all along, because by banning the accounts of veteran players, riot knows that players are most likely addicted to league and will get another account, and then repurchase the champions and skins they previously had. So now, a player that had stopped spending money because they owned the champions they wanted, is now spending money again. The entire reason riot has written chat and chat punishments, and refuses to add voice comms, is because they can’t track player behavior as easily, they wouldn’t be able to issue out these punishments as effectively in order to target specific players. Riot doesn’t care about fixing toxicity at all, they don’t care if we curse either, they care about money. Making the game M rated would remove the need to have most of these punishment systems in place, and allow players to be human. Simply doing that would remove most of the toxicity caused by the punishment system. The punishment system creates the trolls via making addicted players feel trapped, with nothing else to lose.

3 reasons why voice chat should never be implemented in LoL: 1) Toxicity. Self-explonatory. Especially now, in a super polarizing radicalized politicized internet communication in 2023. In the USA lol voice-chat become like any another gam voice chat: hate speech, slurs, politics. In the Europe, in the current irl situation, will be worse. 2) voice chat will make LoL performance on low-specs PCs worse. 3) SoloQ would be more unfair. Right now duos with discord com already has advantage against solo players. Will voicechat for everyone, duos will turn two people who cooperate into three-four people who cooperate. Botlane will be jungles playhouse.

@mahmoudwaelelmelouk8500

Жыл бұрын

I play in europe, I have had quite a bit of time in iron, bronze and silver and from my experience (and what I see on youtube and twitch) NA is at least twice as toxic and less people are actually nice. In EU I meet at least 1 nice person in 90% of my matches. So I think a good starting step would be impleminting voice comms in areas of low toxicity first to test the waters. Servers like russia, oceana and EUNE are good candidates. But thats just my opinion.

After reading every comment & reply.. I feel like nothing would change except that "ranked" would actually feel competitive as a few here have mentioned. As for the toxic side of things.. I'd imagine most toxic/trolls/inters can safely hide behind the screen and type away with not kind of confrontation - add VC into that, I'd expect those same people to be less toxic in VC. As for slurs and being misogynistic towards women blah blah.. Not sure how you could police that.. Ig you don't? Other than report as you would if it were typed? Feel free to comment on something I said that could have been phrased differently or whatnot.

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

The main problem is that policing voice chat is still difficult. In Valorant, Riot has only begun to address the issue, probably through a program that parses the speech into text, and reporting the player will send that transcript along with the ticket The thing is, is that extra work worth adding the VC in a game that already has succeeded without it? Only Riot can answer that

@davidzimmerman617

Жыл бұрын

@@minimoYT Good point. But yeah, if it's fine without, why fix what ain't broken?

I just don't want voice comms cause it would make Shaco worse :D

Its literally just a simple thing, if people dont want to talk or listen, do what they did with chat where you can mute people and even mute yourself. People who complain and say it doesnt need chat, should stop being cry babies and mute themselves.

I think it's fine as long as I can deactivate it. I ain't dealing with that shit lmao

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, it should be muteable like chat and pings currently are. If that's not enough, just making it an opt-in like all chat is another measure

I clicked cause I thought you were Rav New level of clickbait

@TheRandomLetsplays

Жыл бұрын

How is it clickbait? The video discussed exactly what was in the title. The only person who's at fault is you for being unable to read.

mate, if you ever played games where they have voice comms, you know that it takes a special person to flame over the mic, generally those ppl who flame over text never have the courage to say it over voice comms, generally voice comms are way less toxic

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

I did have a very positive experience in R6S. CoD on the other hand... Tbh, I personally don't think it'd be that bad in League, but lots of people have different levels of tolerance for voice chat clutter

As a female gamer who suffered through COD, I definitely would not use my mic at all, all it takes is one bad egg to spoil it unfortunately

xdddd hablas español? xddddd

@minimoYT

Жыл бұрын

Hablo, pero no mucho :^)