Gangplank is a ranged toplaner . Change my mind

@daqqahlikirep

Жыл бұрын

After the q on-hit change he became a bit less ranged but it's kinda true.

@walkelftexasranger

Жыл бұрын

Ranged Top laner who sucks into ranged Top laners...yep that's GP.

@rks-hd8tg

Жыл бұрын

He's melee but has to play as if he's ranged basically

@alaapanga3640

Жыл бұрын

@@walkelftexasranger i think of gp as a control champ for a reason yes his q does dmg but there are many things to do like d shield second wind and if any top laner engaged succesfully on gp he is preety much done unlike mid where he can actually fight back

@atroniac5703

Жыл бұрын

To add onto this discussion Urgot is a melee toplaner

As a Top Laner, all i want is: - To 1v1 and bash each other's head - Complain about your team throwing and how every queue is a coin toss - Always shit talk Range abusers - Complain about Riot's balance and how is my main not as broken as (insert top 10 tops rn)

@dominicguye8058

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

Urgot and Gnar are the only tolerable ranged toplaners in the game imo, their range isnt obnoxiously high for toplane standards like vayne for example. Gnar is super squishy and becomes melee when mega while urgot plays pretty much the same as a melee toplaner but just with low ranged attacks instead. Weird, almost as if those 2 were litterally designed to be played toplane and the others weren't :D

@idunno5090

Жыл бұрын

YES.

@creepz1313

Жыл бұрын

CRABGOD MAIN Urgot is in this place imo of “melee-range”. His combos require being close and his range is not too far away which makes him a balanced top laner. He’s also very easy to bait into ganks and all. Playing into top lane ranged is hell

@SorcererShangTsung

Жыл бұрын

Vayne has the exact same range as Urgot

@creepz1313

Жыл бұрын

@@SorcererShangTsung probably more annoying because of how much she can move. She feels way more annoying

@Ghosta085

Жыл бұрын

Nah Gnar is equally as annoying as any of the others it not worse. I can’t imagine you were playing back when gnar was meta pick/ban in pro play. His lane is unfathomably safe. Like the video touched on, you have a long range slow, a very strong dash AND a max health MAGIC DAMAGE 3 hit passive that gives you a ton of move speed. The majority of top laners cannot afford to ever fight him in ranged form as it’s impossible to get close even if he mispositions. The only time you can fight gnar is when he’s melee, which unfortunately has the highest base stats of any champion in the game along with insane AD ratios on every ability. If you are not ahead in the lane, you’re going to struggle immensely to kill mega gnar. Which means he has insane neutral and the only time you can actually fight him is when he’s strongest? Not at all tolerable.

The only ranged champion i dont mind going up against is Gnar, his passive means he HAS to get into his melee form eventually or alternatively lose cs. This makes him uniquely vulnerable among ranged top laners despite all the advantages he has.

@alexandrereynaud7884

Жыл бұрын

Vulnerable ? I mean, 75% of the time, you don't want to face a Mega Gnar xDDD. But theoretically, you are correct.

@pikminologueraisin2139

Жыл бұрын

it's almost like he was designed to be a toplaner *cough* quinn *cough* ashkan

@_senka

Жыл бұрын

Mega Gnar is so strong he will stat check basically every top laner if he doesn't oneshot them during his perma cc. I rather fight mini

@alex2005z

Жыл бұрын

@@_senka any bruiser easily beats mega gnar

@brodygates7535

Жыл бұрын

Mega Gnar stats beat literally any other level six except fiora and that’s hitting all vitals and parry.

6:35 while you ARE correct, you picked a hilarious bit of footage to back this statement with. "Dhalsim has underwhelming close quarters options" *Shows SF5 Dhalsim's shockingly good knockdown pressure and mixup game*

@kennydg4979

Жыл бұрын

He also isn’t very good at fighting games or analyzing them at all, excluding smash. His tales are general usually and with massive portions of the argument left out

@kevingriffith6011

Жыл бұрын

@@kennydg4979 Yeah, I just think he would probably have been better served with any of Dhalsim's previous incarnations. SF5 is probably the first game that gave him strong offensive tools because of how unfriendly to zoners SF5's mechanics can be, and the byproduct is that it makes him a lot more fun to watch. To be fair to Vars, not everyone can be an expert on everything and traditional fighting games are pretty niche, to the point where I wouldn't expect anyone to know much beyond the traditional "Grappler, Zoner, Rushdown" triangle and a basic idea of what the characters from Street Fighter 2 could do.

@madporcupine2352

Жыл бұрын

Literally came to say this, lmao.

@kauanjos3199

Жыл бұрын

Literally hit him with a 50/50 😭😭😭

@camoo3729

11 ай бұрын

at this point i feel like having to do tk teleport is a bigger disadvantage than sfv dhalsim close range buttons

I do find it interesting Kayle wasn’t mentioned until late into the video. She acts like a ranged minion until 6 and if someone can’t capitalize, it’s almost gg at that point

@bohomazdesign725

Жыл бұрын

lol, Kayle wins most (not all) 1v1 level 1's and 2's all-ins if she runs lethal tempo (obvsly with E start and Dorans Blade). Where Kayle struggles is level 3, because that the moment when bruisers have their full kit available and Kayles 3 level is much much weaker than theirs.

@frankzander6234

Жыл бұрын

@@bohomazdesign725 yeah lvl 3-5 is her only weakness (excluding the patience the kayle player needs)

@SaSo-mk6yh

Жыл бұрын

I use to main her and I agree that she is an annoying cheese pick that is unhealthy for the game if she is strong.

@Lollaksyotuube

10 ай бұрын

She is melee until 6.

@Sharkenjoyer862

9 ай бұрын

I play riven, irelia and Kayle and can confidently say that kayle can get HARD countered if she’s picked blind

I still think that quinn should be reworked into a jungler, it just seems to fit her playstyle much better. Not saying that she shouldn't be a top laner anymore, but riot should increase her damage to monsters.

@walkelftexasranger

Жыл бұрын

Make her Mid/ADC (her kit is perfect for those two roles) and get her the fuck out of Top lane.

@Ratty524

Жыл бұрын

@@walkelftexasranger Quinn was originally designed to be an adc, but nobody played her there, and still don't because she gets outranged by the entire roster. Her ability to roam and get picks is also diminished in that role since she also has to face against whoever the support is. She honestly would be better suited for mid or jungle where she can make map plays.

@walkelftexasranger

Жыл бұрын

@@Ratty524 I actually think she was good ADC back in the day, because her trades were really cancer to deal with. She scaled like shit tho.

@xmalin1

Жыл бұрын

Rework her into an adc, the role she was supposed to be before shoved into being a "i shit on specific melee matchups"

@xmalin1

Жыл бұрын

@@Ratty524 u right that she doesnt have the range, but she also doesnt have tools like other marksmen her range has like the damage of vayne of waveclear/spellshield of sivir. not to mention her useless ult which makes her lose so much gold in stats

If there were champions whose ammunition was an energy bar or thing like jhin, replenished by melee mode, it would be cool. I think you could fairly balance it

@edoardocesetti9900

Жыл бұрын

Graves exists ans domeone plays him toplane

@walkelftexasranger

Жыл бұрын

@@edoardocesetti9900 Woooooooo I love perma shoving waves into enemy turret wooooooo so fun.

@baki6236

Жыл бұрын

@@edoardocesetti9900 i thing he mean by that a champion that uses ammo like aphelios but when runs out of it then he becomes melle till ammo repleanish

@jordanmaldonado8784

Жыл бұрын

yeah but no one would play it, same reason Gnar is so unpopular and is mostly a pro play champ. having no control over, when and if your preassure will fall apart is a very big downside to a champion who relies on preassure to exist

@daytonsaragosa6790

Жыл бұрын

@@baki6236 yes this is what I mean. Perhaps they could be a character that relies more on their tempo rather than movement abilities, and their ranged attacks were slower but hit harder. Then when they ran out of ammo, they get a short movement buff to close the gap and fight in melee. Then when they revert back, it's a backwards dash like kleds pocket pistol and back to range. Maybe a little too idealistic and betrays the shape shifting formula of fragile hard hitting

The enemy laner hates ranged tops because the laner has no means to counter them. It’s all in the hands of jungler to hard punish the pick. Allies hate ranged tops because it ruins team comps and extremely vulnerable to ganks where the top laner is doing thebauffs impressions but without the turret sieging

@sb938

23 күн бұрын

Exactly, nobody likes people who pick ranged top because they ruin the fun of your entire team and the enemy top, just for you to have a winning matchupw and selfishly enjoy the freest laning phase possible.

I know disengage is important for top laners, but it is the MOST annoying part of fighting them. I'm already fighting someone who can attack me from far away without me being able to do anything about it. if they don't use their biggest strength correctly (Their range and spacing) and I, an immobile melee champion, can get close to them, they should actually be PUNISHED, not just press a button and be able to completely negate their mistake. I know eventually you can eventually overcome this (As Vars said in the video, Darius with ghost + stridebreaker for example, or building Edge of Night to counteract Vayne E), but not being able to do ANYTHING until you get that advantage is really boring. It's boring to have the counterplay to ranged top laners be "Hope they aren't good"

@MarcoMancera18

9 ай бұрын

The counter play is just farm and don't feed. The mid-late game will be punishment enough when they find out there is no tank/bruiser in their composition.

Jayce has good sidelane pressure, he has decent escapes and solid dueling. Kennen has excellent teamfight pressure, that's literally almost the entire reason he's picked at all. The reason ranged toplaners struggle is not that they lack pressure or pressure absorbtion, it's that they're high risk/reward and difficult to play. Harassing as them is obviously easy, but playing around the all-in and the jungler is more important for them because falling behind is easier and more devastating. As a side note, rush boots 2 against ranged toplaners and it is a lot easier to get on top of them and kill them without losing your entire health bar first.

@wcjerky

11 ай бұрын

Ranged top generally has awful sustain/escape tools as well, so a freeze by your tower is also a wonderful option, with hard pushes when they disappear until engages are an option.

@cardgameenjoyer7446

8 ай бұрын

Difficult to play lul

@67tedward

7 ай бұрын

Jayce's primary advantage is that in lane he is virtually impossible to beat without jg help by most tops. He can just auto you and hit you with energy balls whenever you try to farm and if you engage him, he can hit you away with e, forcing the trade to be short. This is balanced by being useless when behind and also being free farm for junglers cause jayce honestly sucks at escaping ganks and has a weak 1 v 2 even when ahead, so if you play him without respecting enemy jg, you'll probably get killed over and over. This is what makes Jayce honestly really hard to play, because he relies on well developed macro skills to balance out understanding when to be aggressive and when to be passive, even though you technically have the tools to bully enemy tops at all times.

@BLKCLVR

7 ай бұрын

@@67tedward You have made my point more clearly than I. He's not that bad at escaping ganks though, between cannon E, hammer Q, and hammer E. That's more tools than some get.

@67tedward

7 ай бұрын

@@BLKCLVR Sure but for ganks specifically jayce really can only knock 1 person away, so the other player can still cc him and let the other catch up. Thundering blow is an excellent 1v1 disengage for that reason but not as useful as a duo escape. Not the worst escape out there for sure given his movement speed boosts, but compared to someone like gnar, jayce is going to die a lot if he overextends. In particular if you're standing outside enemy tower and harrassing them, I don't find jayce can reasonably escape all the way to the other side of top if the jungler's on top of him. This is mostly speaking from personal experience as a mediocre jayce player (don't main him but occasionally will play him casually) and getting punished for being over aggressive.

I think you hit the nail on the head pretty well I think that a lot of the animosity is also that melee tops know that the ranged top they are fighting isn't that good a lot of the time. They either lack fundamentals and get all in'd or lack patience and macro and over push instead of freezing and killing the top ability to play. Top is a lane that typically prides itself of 1v1s and champs that thrive on it. So tops are being denied the fun of playing the lane, by someone who without the fundamentals is essentially a gimmick champ.

@W0lfMan26

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I love sitting under turret for 15 minutes wasting my time. So engaging.

@mitsuki1388

10 ай бұрын

I mean, it's that mentality that made me hit diamond playing only tank karma top more than once. Most other top laners could win the game by just staying under turret and farming safely to out-scale me but they'd rather all win me (or 2v1 me with their jungler) and give me so much advantage they couldn't play the game anymore. Funny how after becoming a Gwen main instead I realized how it was relatively easy to deal with these match-ups if you don't have a massive ego. Yes, you play weak side. Yes, it's not fun. Yes, you can't really win lane. But odds are you'll win the game just fine if you play it patiently.

@lorenzocorrea7178

10 ай бұрын

​@@mitsuki1388I mean, it's not really about a massive ego. People play the game to have fun. And if I had fun by trading ranged attacks I'd play ADC. Like, sett is the whole toplane energy. I'm here to punch eachother till one of us drops dead. This is what I came here for. A ranged top lane will make my life miserable for the next 40 minutes. It's okay to die so that your team can win the fight, cuz at least I get to play once I respawn

@turbo6328

7 ай бұрын

@@mitsuki1388 Shit take, 90% of the time as top you have no influence over the first half of the game, in order to have the best chances of winning, you have to crush top, you need to be a sidelane monster, soaking and putting out pressure, it's all about being a monolith that locks part of the map if you're ahead, your argument invalidates the entire idea of toplane "just because I play karma tank top". A single click on a champion should not invalidate the entire identity of a lane, just by *being* there. I could go on and on, but I think that summarizes well my thoughts on the topic.

@thekittenfreakify

7 ай бұрын

It should. What you are seeing is what is called ab arms race. The more range you have the more advantage you have. This is seen through out history. That is why the spesr was so popular among peasant armies and later bows and so on.

Can I just say - I would never have expected an Aviators song in the background of one of your videos but it fits pretty well

As a Gnar main I feel like he is the best example of this, Whilst in gnar form he will just fall to everything and everyone (before items) just like your regular ADCs. But at the same time there is no scarier champion in the game than a gnar about to transform. MEGA Gnar has the highest base stats in the game by a pretty big amount, he is a juggernaut and a diver combined and that is why he is so scary when he has the opportunity to be. He is one of the few ranged top in pro because of this reason, he is so good in mega form that his weakness of mini form is often times worth it

For me, I hate ranged top laners BECAUSE they aren't as viable. It means that despite what's obviously more helpful for their team, these players enjoy being annoying so much that they'd sacrifice a better chance to win if it means they can be a nuissance. That's why I don't even consider champs like gnar to be a ranged top because those players can still fill the role they were supposed to

@tyronepalma3854

Жыл бұрын

100% Additionally, kayle plays the opposite of most ranged top laners as she is vulnerable early but great at late game team fights (as long as she has a frontline)

@it_is_morbin_time

Жыл бұрын

Nah as an akshan OTP I can say that the mental damage is a huge reason why I pick him. I remember when I won a game where my whole team intend like 0 10 each and we won cause the enemy Gwen went afk

@mubumubu5975

Жыл бұрын

@@it_is_morbin_time He saying he hates ranged top because you (players) selfishly pick them for causing mental damage instead of for teamplay. And i agree that some people only pick ranged top champs to counterpick. Annoying af when you dont go afk and still stay having your team roast you.

@unknownguyindo4356

Жыл бұрын

​@@tyronepalma3854I agree. When my team is being feeder, I'm winning in my lane as Kayle so I'm ahead compared to other players. I ended up literally carrying my team.

@jamesthesmart2971

Жыл бұрын

Kennen exist

As a person who have not slept well today, I really liked background chill music and the all the plays on the screen. Topic is also well discussed! Thank you for the video!

At least I can sleep easy knowing Vayne top players are going straight to Hell

ranged top laners are not broken they are just really annoying to play against and make the game unfun by just existing

Thank you for putting into words the thing I've been trying to explain to my friends for so long

Last time i had to lane against a vayne top, i took syndra. Everytime she tried to walk up for a basic attack, she'd eat a q,e,w combo. Had to deal with a people playing adc mid do i basically pick her everytime i have to play against one.

@Yokai_Yuri

Жыл бұрын

Any adc for syndra is free kill. You can even bait their dashes and then 100 to 0 them

@Morningstar787

Жыл бұрын

As someone who plays adc mid sometimes (MF) syndra is indeed a pain to deal with XD

@RiptidexRiltreks

Жыл бұрын

I legit permaban Syndra whenever I play mid. Her trade combo when actually spaced is so fucking bullshit

@MakingUGoOmg

Жыл бұрын

If you want to fuck vayne top just pick arcane comet malphite. Lanes over

They don't work so long as your jungle has enough brain capacity to support object permanence. If the enemy team plays the most immobile ranged top laner on Earth, my jungler will look top, see the free gold, and then completely ignore it. In fact, I can only really remember one game where my jungler recognized the ranged top laner as free gold and actually came top enough to capitalize on it and carry the game.

I honestly dont mind ranged tops. I'm pretty patient and know my powerspikes. Lull the enemy into thinking I'm a passive player, ping my jungler, save flash for an all in combo. Ultimately itll be a comp diff like you mentioned, more often than not.

@doomkingraye7692

Жыл бұрын

toplaners who complain about ranged because they are not interactive play tanks... bunch of clowns

@doomkingraye7692

Жыл бұрын

not saying tanks are bad, just they are not very interactive, my most played toplaners this season is Sion

@chimpindoge3474

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@doomkingraye7692ranged tops arent fun. Thats it. Most of the time they fall off so if anything its also a huge middle finger to their own team. Tanks are kind of braindead but at least tanks and bruisers fighting in toplane is fun enough. And both people will contribute to their teams comp. Tell me how useful a vayne top is when theres already an ADC.

Vars, have you ever given a list of your favorite champs to play, and why? I would be curious as to your go to personal picks, as a fellow top laner.

@walkelftexasranger

Жыл бұрын

He's Riven OTP, you can figure out what is his favorite champ

@inbeing3464

Жыл бұрын

​@@walkelftexasranger hes talked shit about riven before, i dont think riven is his favourite champion

@santumi2298

Жыл бұрын

he plays Renekton & Darius iirc

@bevvvy1374

Жыл бұрын

@@inbeing3464 You can talk shit about your favorite champion

@inbeing3464

Жыл бұрын

@@bevvvy1374 as a fiddlesticks main, i cant relate

seeing old Mundo at 1:40 brought back memories...

@walkelftexasranger

Жыл бұрын

Best anti-AP champ ever designed. Too bad he got reworked :/

Feels like that yeah. I’d play Morde or Voli in toplane and get matched against a Quinn or Teemo and just spend the whole time getting blueballed into holding an unfavourable stalemate. Really boring and frustrating to play against but there was also a good chance that we’d end up winning the match anyway. So I’d just be sitting there having a really shit time doing nothing against an omnipresent opponent while my team beats the other lanes into an early FF. It’s unsatisfying and frustrating.

@chimpindoge3474

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. Its funny seeing so many people in the comments like "top laners r so dumb they just want to all in and melee" without even mentioning the fact that fighting ranged tops just sucks and counterplay against it is almost entirely "get denied cs and xp and all in into stacked minion waves/ farm cs when laning phase is over". Its not fun. Sure the other team is most likely gonna lose (unless its low elo) but who CARES its not FUN and thats why people play games.

Ranged top are the manifistation of "dont tilt or you lose" THEY ARE ANNOYING,but if you stay calm and think a bit you will forme a plane to defeat them

I love playing Kennen, but I can't say I really considered that I should have a tank in another role to help with late game insurance. Another great video, thank you 👍🏻

btw the music in the background is No More Heroes by Aviators(one of my favorite composers, I was happy to hear his music in this video)

Kled tends to be well against them as he has his ultimate to break the gap (Which is Unstoppable so they can't push him away during it. Always funny seeing them try), and Q pull and slow to keep them still. Especially if he hits his E which gives him two dashes. Problem only is Vayne for him really.

@pikminologueraisin2139

Жыл бұрын

not just kled but divers counter ranged top

@walkelftexasranger

Жыл бұрын

Good luck picking Kled as counterpick, when people play range Top laners only as counterpick. Somebody would have to be REALLY damn stupid to first pick Quinn or any ranged champion.

@HappyGick

Жыл бұрын

​@@walkelftexasranger you haven't seen low elo it seems

@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904

Жыл бұрын

Vayne IS a problem for most toplaners. You need double dashes just go reach her, and then she has invisibility and multiple dashes to kite you.

@AoBomberman

Жыл бұрын

@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904 You can rush Edge of Night on many melee tops to counter Vayne. She can basically never duel you whenever it's up because EoN Spellshield blocks her E, which she needs to peel you off, and none of her other abilities can pop the spellshield.

League is not a game you win by destroying the enemy nexus It's a game you win by making the enemy Top never want to play Top ever again

6:17 wow that aurelion ult looks so cool

@dominicguye8058

Жыл бұрын

ok? you've seen it before though right????

@ahmettetik8221

Жыл бұрын

​@@dominicguye8058 not the ashen lord one.

nice guide!

As an Ornn main, yeah ranged tops can be annoying but playing smart usually means you can still win the game even if you lose lane. I’ve never understood why ranged tops get so much hatred when it’s genuinely much more difficult to come back from losing early against another melee.

@BulgarianSwordsman

Жыл бұрын

Well, Ornn is by definition one of the best pick into ranged champs ( Malphite also). However, if you play a champ without sustain or enough cc/or mobility, then you're out of luck.

@AstrumDeus

Жыл бұрын

Ornn is definition of annoying trash

@seth12786

Жыл бұрын

Because its just not fun to play against a ranged top. There's no counter to getting right clicked from afar and without jungle assistance you end up hugging tower for 20 minutes until team fighting comes into play.

@williamsmith6364

Жыл бұрын

how to beat ranged top as ornn: go armor refillable. farm a few waves and sit back. get tabi. farm more get warden. and auto do 0 dmg.

@fishbones5037

10 ай бұрын

genuinely as an ornn main seeing ranged top normally means a free lane

Dyrus saying he'd like to have the opportunity to play league is always going to be my 'toplane impact' quote from now on lmao

@dominicguye8058

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm surprised you didn't talk about Runes and Starting Items. Although they are generally very important, in top lane, the strength of early game runes and/or items is arguably what makes the match ups tolerable or brain damaging. For example, Dorian Shield, Second Wind and Bone Plating are fighters' saviours; while Press the Attack, Lethal Tempo and Phase Rush make them wish for old Stride Breaker. Like you said, ranged top is a gamble early game, so picking runes and good itemization will almost dictate the outcome.

@FiveStaring

Жыл бұрын

yeah, that secondwind/boneplating + dorans will surely make u able to tank vaynes truedmg %hp dmage... sure...

@josebaltoomarnilson4762

Жыл бұрын

second wind and dshield got nerfed hard, they're both bad and dont do that much to avoid top ranged tops opressive lane

I would rather instantly die (ingame) when I step out of position vs any assassin no matter how far behind they are than have to face more Red Kayn/WW/etc life drain champ who can make 20 blunders and they all go away as soon as they get another 1 uninterrupted second of dealing damage to heal themselves back to full.

@lashedandscorned

Жыл бұрын

play trundle or olaf vs ww or kayn top volibear works too trust also get executioner's on your first back

@alecoppeac

Жыл бұрын

Those Champions are only an issue (imo) because mana regen is too high in this game. Cheese picks like ww top actually had to play a bit more carefully if they didn't want to recall at 2 minutes, but now between presence of mind (absolutely disgusting rune), cookies, tear, Doran's ring, corrupting potion, manaflow, etc. mana regen is way too plentyful

Like a top lane main once said "Lighting Rush backwards, Lighting Rush forwards!"

I'm not competitive, so you can take whatever I say with a grain of salt. Toplane is one of my favorite roles not only for the reasons that top lane is good at it but also, and I know this might sound weird, I enjoy the fight, and I love how it sometimes feels like a way easier fighting game, to think about my advantages and disadvantages and compare them to the opponents, to reenact the "walking straight at me" scene from Jojo's right before the fight, the satisfaction of looking at an upcoming skill shot or engage dead in the eye and say "give your best shot" and then survive to punish there foolishness, to perform a beautiful and ferocious dance of weapons and compos against my opponent, and finally, when the battle is over and the dust settles, there will be only 1 victor left on their feet, and the defeated to consider all there mistakes and learn from them. Aka I enjoy a good and fair fight, I know this is weird but that's my truth. And for this reason, I despise range toplaners with a passion, they are some of the most toxic players, they are incredibly boring to both play with/as or against them, and their skill necessity is so low that they make Garen look like Azir, and they are just so cowardly, not to mention that they sacrifice so much for there team only for more damage/to bulie their opponent/to think that they are so good because they spring guns in a boxing match. I played a lot of wild rift during my school year and I know technically its not the same, but whenever I played either jg/supp or something else, I dread when I look at my toplaner and hope that they don't pick a ranged champion because even if we win, it just feels dirty and undeserved. I've made a promise that whenever I have one of those cowards in my team and I'm the jg, ill just forget about them and focus on my objectives and only gank/assist mid and bot, want to bring guns in boxing matches, do it on your own, il be assisting the rest of my team and il also root for the enemy toplaner and jg to make you suffer. EDIT: Gnar and Urgot are the exceptions, they are the only acceptable ones

@BlackfeatherMain

Жыл бұрын

What about Graves? I feel like he's a champion that isn't quite as insufferable as, say, Vayne or Quinn toplane

@tomthelordofzaun8375

Жыл бұрын

@@BlackfeatherMain Graves is in a weird middle ground, I do enjoy playing him even tho I'm horrible at him, it's just that when his in toplane, and from what I've seen, he's mostly played with full lethality builds, and there for played like a range assassin like vayne rather than a sustain base fighter like rhaast (red kayn), I'm personally not a fan of it but I don't condemn it, at least he takes 100% percent more skill and balls then vayne ever does

@BlackfeatherMain

11 ай бұрын

@@tomthelordofzaun8375 I respect graves top players regardless of if they're assassin or bruiser because assassin graves players have to actually contend with the fact that they don't have a ton of range, and bruiser graves players acknowledge they're not doing a whole lot of damage.

Came here for the video. Stayed for "No More Heroes". You sir, have a good taste in music.

A little off topic but this video made me understand a little better what was working back when I played Taric Top, an off meta pick at the time that I had roughly a ~72% win rate on over 200 games When I got ahead in lane I had just enough offensive pressure on top of all of Taric's natural defensive tools to keep the enemy team from exerting any pressure on my own team... even when they were ahead. Even when I was behind all those defensive tools were just as potent, it's just the kill potential isn't high enough to catch people off guard

Quinn definitely does not buy vamp scepter first item and having mained her for 4 seasons I don't think I have ever bought it first item except for specific circumstances. Since before Shieldbow into Wit's was better than BotrK and you get Noonquiver first for that, more recently you get Kraken first and also build Noonquiver first. Have not played since the item update recently so not exactly sure what she builds now but it is probably Noonquiver still it is just too good.

All the hate and stimga, towards top ranged champions, is mostly due to the counterpick meta in toplane, not necessarily the fact that they're ranged. As mentioned before, top lane is an island, so counterpicks are more effective, and brutally unfun to play against. No one bitches about ranged top because they're ranged, but because if they are picked then it means they likely picked 2nd and thus counterpicked you. Compound that with the fact that we are very adept at identifying patterns, and the stigma against ranged tops is born.

@lutter4818

Жыл бұрын

Literally this. I've played Yorick into Quinn and shit on her, but I've suffered as Singed against Darius. Melee or ranged isn't the issue, but being counterpicked is, and if you blind pick a ranged toplaner (except maybe Gnar) you're either an otp or trolling

@SirCrusher

Жыл бұрын

In fighting games it's less of an issue because everyone has a way to counter zoning. When I play lol there's this impression that the game is incomplete because of lacks stuff like that, universal tools that can deal with cheesing like this.

Ayo what was that clip at 8:53? It was badass.

I've been trying a Swain tank build and I want to try it top. Grasp with Heartsteel and Demonic Embrace gives infinite health and damage theoretically. He can take the pressure and I played a game where 4 people came after me just for me to outheal and get a kill. Swain is kind of viable because he has a root and his ult to sustain. I then just build tank on him so I'll survive and get be a frontline.

as a ranged toplaner (yes i hate myself too) i must say the advantages are severely overstated here , sure it is true for the hard counters he mentioned but the 4 horsewoman of the toplane and alot more champs have very much an easy time to close the gap and/or outsustain you . Also as a squishy top u are an easier target to gank/dive , a winning lane is not guaranteed at all and because the movement abilities of ranged top are oftten short lived means pushing to tower alone in a long lane i always risky , but thats just my low elo opinion :)

I have found Nasus to work very well into ranged toplaners, you go ghost and to and run at them on level 6 and always go trinity force and hullbreaker 1st and 2nd , both of them give movespeed so running at them is relatively easy

@uncreativeperson8497

Жыл бұрын

It's a low elo solution tho

@poom323

Жыл бұрын

​@@uncreativeperson8497I think I used to see strategy like this in LPL.

Grasp Senna just gives me peace at heart, fav champ + innate typical adc scaling while gaining tank stats is fun

As a Kled main I love seeing Vaynes and Vlads honestly Kled's engage is way too hard to kite if you play it right, and its a free kill if you arent dismounted

I wake up every morning and hope that every ranged top laner has a bad day

The reason people hate ranged toplaners is because the right way to play against them is to give up cs and health, and playing passively is boring. And most ranged tops have a way to punish you if you dont play passively until certain item/level thresholds.

Usually I mostly agree, but on this one, there is just waaaay too much you get wrong. Quinn barely if ever build Vampiric at all, not to sure for the others, but I suspect they don't rush it as well. Quinn is likely to not build lifesteal, except from the Bloodline Rune, even with a crit build. As for them being useless if they do not win lane, this is only true for the early game ones like Jayce, for the rest, most of them are piss weak early then scale to oblivion, Quinn being a prime example. Thing is, Kayle and Vayne will struggle to come back massively and Vayne is not an effective split pusher as she is an easy catch. Quinn though, you are not stopping her from farming, ever post 6, she can roam, bait you to rotate and clear wave (she actually got fine wave clear too). You say they can not split push like a Fiora or an Illaoi, but that is only true for some. Quinn and Kayle excel at it, both differently though. Quinn can actually go for a bruiser build and outscale all the bruisers with it, managing to actually be somewhat of a front liner. Best part, it is actually stupid strong as a build, not something you only build if your team really need it, but something you can build every single games and it will always be good. As for Cassio, her E last hit is not mana regen. If one champion always run out of mana, it is Cass. Her E refund cost only make her able to last hit, it won't do shit to help her clear and keep mana up, if she has to clear, which she is shit at. You say Ranged Top Laner remove your agency, but that isn't quite true. Sure, if you are Darius or Garen into Quinn, you can't do a thing, but those are not champion that exactly have agency in their nature, especially Garen, it is literally pure stat check without any skill expression in the kit itself. Being skilled on those bruisers is basically just knowing when to fight, how to position to stay strong between fight opportunities and managing your waves properly. Also, ranged top as a whole tend to be insanely vulnerable to ganks and all have rather high average deaths if you look at the stats. It is just how it goes for most of them, they make the melee dude cry for help, he gets help and the ranged top literally can't do a thing, once they get ganked, which garantee they go behind for a while. Typically, they come back with a vengeance, unless you can keep them down. Now, for the few like Jayce who are actually good early and mid game, this is a bit different and I do not play those, so idk. Aslo, you might want to put GP as a ranged top at this point, he literally outrange nearly all of them, quite significantly and at very little cost. Although, you just pick Kayle and smash his barrels way faster than he can ever hope too, it is free gold.

Man we need a Xerath video next brodie🤙🏽

I play kennen in the midlane 👍

@cowboyslime3615

Жыл бұрын

Good ending

I'm guessing this was recorded before prowler had the active removed, meaning no more extra dashes for champions like renekton

The song in the background is aviators no more heros

Thank you for finally putting a finger on why I hate going vs vayne top but when I'm alt role I hate seeing vayne top on my team

While ranged tops are annoying to face, I feel like often times the frustration of players stems from the fact that they have a very narrow view of what should be played where. Thats why I really like the example of Sej Jungle, Galio Mid and maybe a frontline support like Leona. Team comps are far less solved in a soloq environment than people like to think, so when they face an annoying champion top they just assume it has to be cheese rather than an actual legitimate playstyle (Even though weaponizing the enemies tilt against them is fun and cheesy lol).

@mitsuki1388

10 ай бұрын

That and top lane is the lane that has the highest ego playing nowadays. They absolutely DO NOT know how to play a lane where they can't all-in/outplay their opponent and have to play weak side to win and they HATE being denied. I climbed multiple times to diamond as Karma Tank and it's so funny how people believed firmly she doesn't have a function when like... her function IS denying the other top lane the possibility to impact (or delaying that impact), she has even been used competitively with that function. They only recognize a top laner that is either a massive engage tank or a solo carry and forget that the role has flexibility to allow for more stuff.

@logisticstep5212

10 ай бұрын

​@@mitsuki1388karma top?

@mitsuki1388

9 ай бұрын

@@logisticstep5212 yes, her kit is full of tools to deal with most top laners, she has a slow and poke with her Q, a snare and self-heal with her W and a shield with move speed in her E, it's relatively easy to touch her in lane but hard to stick to her. She can also run grasp of the undying and shield bash to really enhance this playstyle but it takes more skill to play properly. She's best used against lane bullies that fall easily and fighters that have weak lanes (they do outscale her but she can delay their impact), she can play ve tanks but they work in low economy so it's pointless. I used to climb pretty easily with her but the durability patch hurt her a bit, before that her WR healing was 20% of her max health 2 times which was broken, now she heals less so you need to be perfect in lane otherwise you can die.

@morelstrike

7 ай бұрын

​@@mitsuki1388 You really are a hypocrite, talking about ego.

@theodoregeorgiou4565

5 ай бұрын

​@mitsuki1388 I have to add here that a friend I know tended to play Morgana top lane, which was very much disgusting for the enemy who couldn't farm well because they kept poking with the root and the soil but holy hell did it help when I was ganking with all her cc lol. It really was a pick I did not expect to go well but they did it spectacularly

This is why K'sante as champion is broken and can't be fixed with numbers. He is a decent sidelaner and a monster teamfigher that absorb pressure like a sponge while occasionally still 1vs3 like a Fiora. Well design Riot

@Yokai_Yuri

Жыл бұрын

He is blak and gay he IS suppossed to be realy strong

@xabierarana2645

Жыл бұрын

@@Yokai_Yuri Thank they didnt make him a woman, that would be the one horsewomen of top.

@billybob4159

Жыл бұрын

His R is just dumb lol being able to fist someone through half the map with zero counter play then one shot them is so fair

@josebaltoomarnilson4762

Жыл бұрын

he has 44% wr globally, i think he's fine if you look at masters+ he has 49% ksante is good because he peels for the giga broken adc well, not because of all out

@billybob4159

Жыл бұрын

@@josebaltoomarnilson4762 wr is the only thing that matters

I learned a lot about my lane and why I still manage to win games after losing lane. thanks

It depends on which champions we play but I usually find it much easier to deal with ranged toplaners than malee ones

I don't have too big of a problem with them (I still dislike playing against them however), due to Yorick being my toplane pick of choice. I can go at least even most of the time, and a single misplay from the enemy means I get a free lane.

@SandySalesman

Жыл бұрын

thats the thing about ranged top, you can bully the enemy, but 1 gank and you are done, the melee will just kill you over and over, i despise ranged top, but every time i meet a vayne i just cry for help, they get ganked and they die cause they were trying to harass me, i feel like if you play ranged top you are not trying to win the lane, you are trying to destroy the enemy mental

@lutter4818

Жыл бұрын

@@SandySalesman That's why I never pick ranged top in ranked games, only in norms

@OB12345

Жыл бұрын

Personally I’d rather fight any ranged champion than yorick so I can see why you would say that

@hungryal

Жыл бұрын

Vayne is just a mental block for me. I usually play stuff like Sett/Darius/Mundo and Vayne is an absolute nightmare. I hate her so much. But getting to cage her and throw ghouls at her as Yorick once was probably the best feeling I've ever had as I got to crush the champion that has single handedly ruined more games for me than I care to count.

I think its inaccurate to say they dont work, or as you ended the video with, that vayne, quinn and teemo are too inconsistent. The stats show that it can work, for example vayne in masters+ has an above average wr.

@Nhyufll

Жыл бұрын

Because they are only picked when they are in a good matchup

@xmalin1

Жыл бұрын

those three you listed are very niche counterpicks. nobody picks them unless its to counterpick

I'm honestly fine with pretty much all champions personally... I don't enjoy playing assassins or bruisers (bar Urgot), but I can understand what they bring to the table and can just play something/differently to deal with them. I do have to keep Shyvana banned cause my teammates can't deal with them or something...

Seeing the cho’gath fighting the vayne gave me flash backs to my first time top laning. It was an absolute nightmare and I got destroyed lmao.

im a kennen main, and i like making people rage quit 10 mins into the game, because they dont know how to play against me. But once you understand how to play aginst a ranged top, you shit on them all the time

Problem with ranged top Laners is that their roles is to be a mild inconvenience to traditional top Laners. They win lane by not letting the enemy play the game, but they often lose the game due to the fact that they are really bad on the late game, with few exceptions, and when they ARE late game champions, they are usually abusable by the jungler and become dead weight to your team. Also you usually sacrifice your team's front line by going an ADC top, or make it so your jungler has to strong side them if they don't want the ranged top Laners to be steam rolled by the enemy jungler.

Love you perfect video

Please make a video on the Four Horsewomen of Top Lane

Of course, most ranged champions are top, because there's literally nowhere else for them to be. They are incompatible with current league. They "don't work" because they generally just don't provide much if anything to the team. You take them top, so you can actually play them for like 15-20 minutes, and then don't care about the rest of the game. Exception given to quinn, who is just an absolute terror against squishy teams. (When ahead. Else she's literally just an int-ier Nunu.)

@alex2005z

Жыл бұрын

They go top bc their early game sucks. But its still good enough for top lane.

@rimmer62

Жыл бұрын

true teemo place is where ? jungle doesnt work mid doesnt work adc is crazy bad suport is inting

@johnholland5419

Жыл бұрын

I've had some Quinn games where I got pushed hard early game, because someone like Urgot just says no to my disengage, but I was able t become a late game nightmare because my team could handle Urgot, while I take out their midlaner and support. I mostly jungle, but occasionally I'll mid as Orianna or Swain or top as Quinn because the jungler's most important skill is map awareness, and if you're able to transfer that to Quinn, even if you lose lane, you can become a nightmare for the enemy team with pokes against their squishies, or transfer it to Swain and poke their jungler with your eye while they're farming without leaving lane

@SangoProductions213

Жыл бұрын

@@rimmer62 Jungle is actually where he should go, thematically. But he has literally no tools for that, outside of shrooms, which he doesn't get until level 6. And it's not good until at least level 11. Support is also a surprisingly appropriate role, with his abundant vision control, and blind for the adc. But he lacks the range, tankiness, or actual lockdown of real supports. Yeah, basically comes down to the fact that he basically has 2/5 of a real champion's kit, at best, for most contexts.

@grodkowski

Жыл бұрын

I play kennen mid nowadays, its great. Most midlane match ups are favorable for me. (Minus a few like syndra)

you forgot to mention that ranged top laners are always pushed out so they make easy targets for ganks

@nojaodoggo2896

Жыл бұрын

However this is top line and jungler wont walk over here

This is great and all, but I still can't figure out why in the world Xayah would flash at 0:45

Regardless of how well off ranged top laners are, no one will ever enjoy going against them because they aren't fun, discourage interaction and most of the time end up being less useful than an actual top laner literally any other point they aren't "fighting" the top laner

@somo4227

5 ай бұрын

exept gnar who can always get into the enemy team ult a bunch of ppl and his job is done

The only ranged top I don't hate is Urgot, cause realistically he plays more like a melee champ than ranged

@firestorm_7567

Жыл бұрын

Ngl i forgot he was even a ranged champ lmao

@mistywww3199

Жыл бұрын

The only reason you think that is because he is very weak right now, if urgot was good then everyone would hate him

@atroniac5703

Жыл бұрын

@@mistywww3199 idk, imo his whole identity feels kinda rough all the items that could really benefit him are nerfed on him cause he's ranged and the ranged items don't let him be tanky enough to survive longer fights.

@atroniac5703

Жыл бұрын

@@firestorm_7567 yeah his entire gameplay loop is so melee range focused I sometimes even for get to use his abilities at long ranges

Matching againt a ranged top laner is compleately fine, you just have to accept that youre not the main character for 10 minutes.

@asteriskonline3494

Жыл бұрын

Underrated comment. Most of the time you just dance until you get enough lvl and an opportunity to jump the ranged top. It's just infuriating to purposely miss cs, cause that is not how we are taught how to play.

@pikminologueraisin2139

Жыл бұрын

my favorite thing is to pick something like a ornn and aim for the teamfights later, but tbh you can just pick something like a camille, an irelia or a jayce (if ennemy picked it just pick malphite) and break their legs there are champs that are designed for all-ins and have totally their place at toplane but people would rather not pick anything else than their main and get shat on

@xabierarana2645

Жыл бұрын

If wanting to be able to do something by myself in the first 10-15 mins of a game that lasts 20 mins half of the times when i am playing a fucking videogame is considered wanting to be the main character im dam guilty.

tried asol top recently (non ranked, low skill enemy tbf i am also in that category) It was fun, the enemy irelia went 1/9/1 in a 30 min game. while i snowballed into 15/0/6. tbf i helped my jgl with a quick fly by at a lvl 3 invade, blue side fly over the big wall, get the kill, fly back farm more. Got the 1,3k part for ROA pretty early, and somewhat decent sustain with that. But so far unsure whether i wanna continue trying it. on the one hand Asol does scale good into a late game beast, if farmed up sufficiently. regarding the 3 mentioned categories: Disengage, you have to wait for the enemy hard cc (slows dont matter, only root, stun, knock up)then you can escape nearly everything with your w w nearly doubles your speed if not using q and is normal speed with q, so as long as you arent cc you have it but you rely on it. Endurance.not so much. ROA gives some, but not the best, and you burn through your mana fast.

8:07 RIP Prowler Claw dash

Vayne mains be like: MaX HeAlTh PeRcEnTaGe TrUe DaMaGe Is BaLaNcEd

I think that ranged tops are so hated because they fundamentally go against the ideals and power fantasy of queuing top. Two big meaty champs going at each other constantly trading and trying to all in the other. Darius v Sett, Ornn v Riven, Fiora v Camille. 2 champions fighting and trying to outplay the other. Ranged tops ignore this by just hitting you for free without allowing you to hit back even if you get on them, it removes the skillful trading from the equation entirely.

@Sloth81194

11 ай бұрын

I want an 1 vs 1 against my enemy, but it's always a 2 Vs 1

@mojolito

10 ай бұрын

Yes, 100% agree. A cowards way of fighting. The guy who never bothered to learn the enemies’ abilities and trade patterns, hoping to win out of sheer lameness.

In solo q, low elo in particular it doesn't matter if you have a good engage or if you can put pressure on the map because people don't even take advantage when they win a teamfight

Speaking of Ranged Top Laners, could you analyze the Support Toplane meta? When Sona, Soraka, and some others dominated the game? (Not with smite, prior to that)

@MilesJA1904

Жыл бұрын

@VarsVerum

In my games I can't remember the last time I actually played against a melee top laner When i'm also playing a top laner. I don't know if that's because of iron standards or something like that, but it just feels weird.

@lutter4818

Жыл бұрын

We've had a surge of either ranged or cheese picks in top recently in low elo.

@dassd8393

Жыл бұрын

@@lutter4818 I just want to play a good game

Note to self: Always wear pants when playing top lane.

@Simaris12

Жыл бұрын

u cannot get caught with ur pants down when u did not wear some in the first place.

Is that No More Heroes by Aviators Instrumental at the beginning of the video?

Nice video. Friendly reminder that Prowlers dash got removed though so your Renektion-Quinn matchup dynamic doesn't fit anymore;)

i respect some urgot jayce kenenen cass ryze vlad(actually not him) quinn

@radekvaverka8921

Жыл бұрын

Only urgot, jayce, gnar and elise are respectable. They actually go into melee range and fight up close. Every other one of those champs on top is cancer and those that play them there do not deserve to breathe our oxygen.

@cnerduniverse

Жыл бұрын

@@radekvaverka8921 Ken has to go into melee for ult and E

As a ranged top lane enjoyer, I think they are completely unplayable in the current meta of tanks. Frankly I think the reason 90% of laners hate them. They force the enemy to actually play in a skillful way, this may sound funny coming from a ranged laner. But it’s true, you can’t just keep brute forcing things. Also ANY mistake it’s pretty much game. They can brute force well timed all outs and make you go 0/4 or stay under tower 24/7. I agree with your pressure points immensely. You’re sacrificing a very important team slot too, double adc’s on a team isn’t great for a reason. And I promise you 95% of league players don’t know how to play with them effectively. All in all I think the problem with ranged top laners is the problem with why top lane is the most frustrating role in the game. Tanks and support roams. It’s such a volatile out the way role, that it feels 90% of the lane can be thrown upside down by a support deciding it’s time to go top for a second. It’s a team game, yet top lane feels so out of your control. Even with melee matchups. I don’t know what riot could do to fix this, but something really has to be done. They took away global TP because of the unfair influence over leveled top laners have had on bot lane, but they never really compensated and now top lane is the one getting hard screwed over by random roams. Even when playing immobile melees, I’d much rather fight a ranged laner that “doesn’t let you play the game” over another beefy tank you can never kill. Those really force you to not play the game, yet they’re praised

@bevvvy1374

Жыл бұрын

Being forced to play safe for 90% of lane isn't skillful, it's just boring. That's why nobody likes you up there, it just becomes a waiting game of hoping you make a mistake. Not sure why you say "It's a team game, yet top lane feels so out of your control". That's the whole reason it feels that way. Every single team game feels like that besides rare exceptions like CS. Trying to deal with a tank is much more interactive than trying to deal with an ADC, regardless of viability. Tanks actually encourages you to think about buys(barely but still), you can still do things, and they usually have counterplay. Meanwhile with ADCs the strategy is just to run them down as fast as possible and nothing else.

@marijnlastname3132

Жыл бұрын

@@bevvvy1374 gotta add a TL;DR for this one, I don't think ranged laners that sit under tower playing safe are skillful. But doing that will never get you consistent wins. I think the unfairness of ranged laners is exaggerated immensely and that people should hate tanks just as much if not more than ranged lanerss, because they truly encapsulate what makes the laners "unfun". I disagree completely with a lot of what you said. With what I mean with it feeling out of your control is that you can't do anything. Jungle roams all over and influences the lanes, support is broken beyond belief being a jungle 2.0. mid lane can roam. And adc.. well adc is kind of the same tbh. Being forced to play safe in a bad matchup while still finding opportunities for ganks and other scenarios is skillful. Frankly that's every counter matchup in top lane, which ranged laners are. If you're playing poppy into a Darius you're gonna play safe 90% of the time, same goes for yone into Jax, any adc against a malphite. They at least force you to adapt your gameplay, you might not find it fun to play safe but I think it's infinitely healthier for the game over pulling up KZread on the side while a gragas, ksante, ornn, Sion, or malphite sits in lane being unkillable unless you're playing one of like 3 champs. I want to clarify though my list of champs is in order of most played (all top), Kayle > riven > jayce > Samira. I won't be defending any ranged top laners who sit under tower all game farming till 3 items. That is boring, but those people will get no where like that besides piggybacking of their team. And what you said about it becoming a waiting game "hoping you make a mistake", that's the entire laning phase in even slightly unfavorable matchups. It's just more forgiving vs another melee laner. Until you get to challenger there's so many mistakes you make just in laning phase itself. Noticing the mistakes and windows of opportunity is 100% a skill in the game people need. I'd also like to mention you cannot itemize against tanks, you have bork, and divine. That's it. Divine is a shit item barely anyone wants, and bork is good on a handful of champs. And even with bork those champs will do at most 3-5% of a tanks HP per auto when they get it. Which seems like a lot till you realize that's 90% of their damage. Old kraken was pretty good but had an even more niche pool of champs that could build it, and most would rather opt for something else even then. Armor pen items don't really count as you only build them 3rd, maybe 1/100 times you build them 2nd. And by that point laning phase is over and the tank has outscaled your pen.

@kioken101

Жыл бұрын

@@marijnlastname3132 This has to be a joke post, waiting for your jungle to make your lane playable is skill expression? The simple answer to why people don't hate tanks as much, you do have the option to fight them and itemize around killing them. Doesn't matter what your opinion on Divine Sunderer or Black Cleaver/Grudge is, they work and do allow you to kill them even if it takes time to get there. Those tanks are also not forcing you off CS and killing any potential fight for the entire laning phase. Against any competent ranged top, if you are playing a purely melee character, you're fucked. It's entirely on the onus of the ranged top to make a mistake for you to even have a chance. You can say jungler or roaming support will solve this, but those are not things within your control. You have no input on the outcome of this lane besides reducing your CS or death deficit. You keep going on about how terrible it is to fight tanks, yet ranged tops reduce everyone to playing like a tank, what are you even talking about?

@marijnlastname3132

Жыл бұрын

@@kioken101 my entire point is that ranged tops are all counter picks. If you're a slow melee you just got counter picked. No one blind picks ranged top, it may be annoying to play against but it 100% is a skill issue. Sadly the jungle is part is hard to defend. The sheer amount of impact jungle has on top lane laning phase is insufferable and something needs to be done, not just for ranged tops. But as the game currently stands yes, you are supposed to wait for your jungler because if they get a gank off it's near gauranteed to kill a ranger. If the gank fails you'll at least have breathing room. I keep complaining about tanks because they make the game pointless. You'll never zone a tank, I mean you might have fun pressing some abilities in melee range. But its just a matter of time before they outscale you in teamfights or brick up any sidelane. You can at least kill a ranged top post lane phase. When it comes to itemizing, yeah you can buy "anti tank" items. But my point is they have no effect. Anti ranger items are usually in the form of gap closers, and they've all been removed because of how oppressive they were on juggernauts. I wish there was a healthy item to counter rangers up top. But sadly there isn't right now. My entire point is that both tanks and rangers deny you the game. The only difference is one gives you the illusion of counter play. Why aren't both universally hated. Especially considering that tanks have been strong for a while and ranged tops died out as a viable strat ages ago.

@phonixfighter7966

11 ай бұрын

As a top lane who just played against a ranged "thing" (i refuse to call them Champion) fuck you and your opinion until it bleeds. It is NOT fun. Doesn't have ANYTHING to do with skill, and im pissed even tough we still won the game. You just abuse the range and deny any kind of gameplay. Let me last hit a minion, oh no my health. Let me try to fight at all, oh no my health. I finaly got your ass with my ult, oh no you ran away with 1hp and i can choose to either follow you out of rage in hopes of getting one kill after 15min of being denied any semblence to fun or swallow my hate and go back under my turret. May you always have a bad ping and thunder strike down your pc.

Man, clips from back when Vayne did damage. I miss pre 13.10

Blitzgank with the blitzhook to the blitzrescue

it will never not be funny seeing top laners mald over having to play against ranged top

@ailzarx

Жыл бұрын

especially seeing as the counterplay is so easy- rush ninja tabis and then all in. that's all it takes to win lane. good spacing and itemisation is all you need

@luuk7daan

Жыл бұрын

Back when I still played league I very rarely played Quinn top in a very particular matchup. When they enemy locked Vayne top. They try to cheese you with a ranged top laner you counter pick with another ranged toplaner who can very easily gank other lanes if you get ahead and if you don't get ahead you make sure that Vayne doesn't get a lead herself and you can still punish with superior map coverage.

@cowboyslime3615

Жыл бұрын

Its not hard to beat its just fucking annoying

It's not "WHY ranged top-laners don't work" - it's "WHEN ranged top-laners don't work". And some top-laners hate them because they don't know what to do against it. There's nothing unfair or unsporting about them. There's just a skill gap, because anyone who plays ADCs is used to kiting melee supports but top-laners are not used to dealing with ADCs until mid-game.

@lashedandscorned

Жыл бұрын

kting a melee support in a 2v2 lane is very different from a solo lane if the enemy is playing kennen and you're playing olaf or tryndamere or something, you will never win doesnt matter if you're better at the game than the kennen, he will just disengage everytime & poke you out of lane

@adcyuumi

Жыл бұрын

@@lashedandscorned I was a top-laner from S1 to S7, and it's still my 2nd most played role. Ranged top lane picks are meant to negate your pick. You don't need to win that lane as melee, just don't feed and eventually you are more relevant.

my man had to dig so deep for kennen gameplay he had to go back to old mundo times

Excellent comparaison with Street Fighter! Great video as always!

quinn is the best girl i love playing her

I have never heard so much of the music I listen to on a regular basis from a different person than Vars. I swear I heard No More Heroes by The Aviators at the beginning of this video.

Believe me as a teemo player the last thing I want is to play against bruisers but its the only role he has a chance in unless you do some insane cheese. I would love for riot to rework him into a jungler or midlaner.

@santumi2298

Жыл бұрын

I think they gotta just give him a whole new ultimate and put his shrooms as a basic ability used similarly to ziggs q

@stratavosstuff7575

Жыл бұрын

They almost did with the potential rework, when they were going to change his passive and e.

Your outro avaiators nice

As a top main, I hate ranged top laners not cause I think they're op its cause its just not fun to face

laned against teemo 8 games in a row and in the last game a mastery 7 teemo gave me a fatal brain dmg so i banned him next game and the enemy toplaner picked heimer so because i am pissed i picked a troll pick like jhin top owned that heimer super hard made him go afk and won that game because their midlaner decided to go and try 0/10 powerspike (yes it was a yasuo)

well that depends , , if i pick kaisa top or jayce even if i dont do perfectly in my lane my poke will create insane pressure on ur team. doesnt matter if ur a beffy ornn if ur backline gets one shot by my non stop poke ur pressure become irrelevant, if u a split push bruiser well again if ur team gets destroyed by my poke then we can grab baron , drag , tower and now ur getting flamed for not helping team . i agree with vayne or askhan top they need to dominate early , but that cant be said for every range top

Teemo strength is that you can use shrooms to secure your perimeter against junglers. The downside that during team fights he is useless. You have to use shrooms really smart in order to soften the other team before the team fight starts.