Topic: Does God exist? Turek: Yes. Hitchens: Christianity sucks.

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

*The Bible:* _"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."_ *Frank Turek:* _"I'm a multi-millionaire, wanna buy my religion?"_

@theflash206

3 жыл бұрын

In the Bible god been always there so he wasn't created, not by nature not by anything, simple as that. - we can start counting from one to infinity but we can't count from infinity to infinity - so how can anything be always there someone explain this to me please 🙏.

@gavinwedgeman7905

3 жыл бұрын

@@theflash206 for a very large portion of science everyone was very happy to believe in an eternal universe but not suddenly theres a big issue believing it's possible for God. We do not fully understand the way the universe works but we do know form the power of deduction that we will need an unmoved mover, an initial cause and I don't have enough faith to believe that wasn't God

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

@One Good Lord † News Where did anybody say "being rich is inherently evil"? I certainly didn't say it. I can't see anyone using those words except you.

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

@One Good Lord † News lol don't they? Frank Turek - multi millionaire from selling religion. Billy Graham - multi millionaire from selling religion. Jerry Falwell - multi millionaire from selling religion. If you took money out of the equation, these charlatans would have dumped Christianity in a heartbeat. And if you, as a Christian, are defending it, good luck getting a camel through the eye of a needle.

Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself.

@itsahzthing3433

3 жыл бұрын

Well put

@Frostyd241

3 жыл бұрын

"Y.M.C.A it's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.....A."

@Brianbeesandbikes

3 жыл бұрын

these two perspectives co-mingle and are not mutually exclusive, yes?

@kendraj8139

3 жыл бұрын

-Rumi

@apparentbliss

3 жыл бұрын

Are you implying that you're the next Descartes, or are you saying that you're internalizing the lessons of this discussion to modify the patterns of your own thinking?

Hitchens just gave a masterclass in how to eloquently stay off-topic and evade questions.

@LGpi314

4 ай бұрын

It is not Hitchens's fault that theists can't comprehend things.

@boldasalion6436

4 ай бұрын

​@@LGpi314~ Do you know why you attack theists with ad hominen? I do, because you love your sin & will deny the truth at any cost, just so you won't be held accountable to your Creator, you'll believe in anything but God.

@LGpi314

4 ай бұрын

@@boldasalion6436 Stop this nonsense. nobody is attacking theists. "I do, because you love your sin & will deny the truth at any cost" I do not believe in sin so I'm incapable of committing any. If religion is the only thing that stands between you and murdering someone that stay the heII away from humanity. "to your Creator, you'll believe in anything but God." There is no evidence of your creator. Why are you BSing? Who created your creator? This is your Christianity at its best. Kenyan police have exhumed dozens of bodies from shallows graves in the east of the country amid an investigation into followers of a Christian cult who believed they would go to heaven if they starved themselves to death. Information provided by officials put the number of bodies exhumed so far as high as 47, according to media reports on Sunday. All genocides and crusades in the name of your god. Hitler was supported by the church. Church was celebrating his bday every year. Russian Church supports Putin. There is your Christianity at its best. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.

@LGpi314

4 ай бұрын

@@boldasalion6436 Hitchens: "Religion now comes to us in this smiley-faced, ingratiating way, because it's had to give so much ground and because we know so much more. But you have no right to forget the way it behaved when it was strong, and when it really did believe that it had God on its side."

@boldasalion6436

4 ай бұрын

So you say, nobody is attacking theists but that "nobody" you are referring to is you, so now you're denying yourself. You have over 100+ comments on this video attacking theists and denying there is a Creator God. Its plain to see you are a liar. When you deny God you're only lying to yourself. The eyes are useless when the mind is blind. May God remove the scales from your eyes and reveal Himself to you giving you wisdom and understanding in the name of Jesus Christ our LORD and Saviour.

The biggest debate is defining something. I believe every debate of a topic should begin with a definition. If they're unable to agree on the definition, that would make it an interpretation.

@lbits

4 ай бұрын

What do you want a definition for?

@wisejackproject

4 ай бұрын

@@lbits you can't argue against something you don't understand. if you don't understand the other side's concept, you cannot argue in good faith against it. otherwise, you will be arguing against a strawman you have interpreted yourself.

@lbits

4 ай бұрын

@@wisejackproject so may I ask what definition would have sufficed? It seems they agreed to debate the probability of God’s existence.

@JacksonCaesar

4 ай бұрын

@@lbits Hello, I feel that every debate should open with a definition. For example, "Today's debate topic will cover, Is there a God/Does God exist?" At the beginning of the debate, they will have a definition of what a God is. It should look something like this; According to the Oxford dictionary: "1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. 2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity." Now, that we have established a definition, then we can find out which parties disagree with the definition and then they can discuss their interpretations of it. I'm finding that many people who differ in views are redefining things or giving interpretations. I think once the definition has been established we can determine if the debater is defending the definition or interpretation the definition. That's all.

@lbits

4 ай бұрын

@@JacksonCaesar oh, okay. I get that. Hmm maybe that’s why they ended up sounding like they were talking about two different things for most of the debate

Turek is answering the question of the debate: “Does God exist?” Hitchens is answering the question, “Is religious structure beneficial for man?” It’s like watching two different debates.

@wd8786

3 жыл бұрын

That's because Hitchens can't answer or debate that question. This was a one sided debate won by Turek.

@owent_yt1771

3 жыл бұрын

@@wd8786 yup, Just watch the later videos of cross examined, all the insults off hitchens is now answered precisely...

@carienventer9168

3 жыл бұрын

Hitchens is nothing without comparing his beliefs to the Bible. Kinda defies the debate. I would have lost it sò much sooner, if someone kept interruping me and did not answer my questions!! He still has no answers, round n round he goes... would love to be hear his arguments when standing before God one day!! 😂😂😂

@AL-oy6cg

3 жыл бұрын

@@carienventer9168 he already found out 😂 he died 9 years ago! 😈

@chrissonofpear1384

3 жыл бұрын

@@AL-oy6cg Pretty sure, taking Revelations literally, he's still in Sheol, so can't have met Him yet.

Turek speaks in ALL CAPS.

@TheJipino

8 жыл бұрын

+Richard Hernandez That's the first thing they teach in Christian apologetics school. Shout, and the sheep will think you're right because you're loud.

@COZMICTOM

8 жыл бұрын

+Richard Hernandez... I TYPE IN CAPS AS WELL ..WHY SO PETTY?

@ultimateclassic4092

8 жыл бұрын

+Jip W It's all about shouting when you're a religious spokesman. Atheists, and scientists almost never shout, because there's no need to. It's not about forcing science and logic onto you, it's about giving knowledge in a rational manner. Religious people have to force their belief onto others.

@COZMICTOM

8 жыл бұрын

stop being so petty

@DoggyJesusBongo

8 жыл бұрын

+COZMICTOM There's nothing "petty" about pointing out that the religious nut shouts more than Mad Jack McShouty, winner of last year's "Shoutiest - Shouter" competition. I'm deaf and I can hear him.

Damn turek really killed that closing statement. Especially in front of a CLEARLY biased crowd…

@LGpi314

4 ай бұрын

Is that why he was yelling so much? He thinks that the loudest mouth wins? 😂😂😂

@flyfishnate7493

26 күн бұрын

@@LGpi314 It’s because his conviction to the truth. He loves it, is passionate about it and wants everybody to learn and understand more about it. Hitchens just sits there and has his thoughts and ideas but there is no passion or surety to what he thinks might be correct.

@LGpi314

26 күн бұрын

@@flyfishnate7493 "It’s because his conviction to the truth." What truth? Truth requires facts and evidence. Fake Dr has none. It is sad that people in 21st century are relying on goat herders' understanding of the world from 2000-6000 years ago. To me it is insane.

@LGpi314

26 күн бұрын

@@flyfishnate7493 "It’s because his conviction to the truth." What truth? Truth requires facts and evidence. Fake Dr has none.

@nevergiveoutyouractualname3160

5 күн бұрын

Yes, from 2:01:45 through 2:11:51 he certainly did.

Personally liked that Frank also included Christopher's book along with his own book

@LGpi314

7 ай бұрын

WHAT!?!?!

@sc1030

6 ай бұрын

Show of respectful conduct for his debate opponent, showed fairness and graciousness during their arguments whether convincing or not of their own beliefs in their participating of their debates

@LGpi314

6 ай бұрын

@@sc1030 Is that why Turek was yelling all the time or was it the closing argument from Turek? As for books, it was a requirement. It has nothing to do with Tuker wanting or not.

@LGpi314

6 ай бұрын

@@sc1030 Turek yells in all of his debates. WHat evidence did Tuker present for the existence of god?

@LGpi314

6 ай бұрын

@@sc1030 "He mentioned that he was not able to show or convince to his listeners that there was no God so," Who is he? There is no reason to disprove a thing that has not been proven. Turek does not get it.

I think about 95% of what Hitchens said was about the evil of religion rather than the existence of God

@Elmonsoon

2 жыл бұрын

Because he rebutted Turek's argument in 5% of the debate. We can't know about a first cause and even if Turek is correct, it doesn't get him anywhere near a Christian God, or even a God as we conceptualize it. It would just prove that something started the universe. So what? Hitchen rebutted it and used the rest of his time more effectively.

@bobby-wk2em

2 жыл бұрын

@@Elmonsoon The way I see it is, you either believe that 1) the beginning of the universe was completely random and caused purely by science or 2) something started the universe as part of some kind of plan, through science. If you believe that some kind of unknown, unseen, infinite force started the universe, then surely you believe in God, your just not referring to it as "God", because religion is so frowned upon these days. The title of this debate said nothing about a Christian god.

@fredarroyo7429

2 жыл бұрын

@@Elmonsoon If we have good reasons to believe the attributes of God exists then it follows we have good reason to believe that a God who has those attributes exist.

@unggrabb

Жыл бұрын

Because 100% of it is evil. And what is the point of babbling about a nin existent phantasm?

@laurapiovan

Жыл бұрын

@Michael M. The debate was about the existence of God, it was not about “once we agree that god most likely exists because of all the logical, philosophical and scientifically evidence we have examined, which one is it”. That is a second debate . If that had been the topic Turek would have easily addressed it in the opening statement . All Hitchens said was “I don’t have a a clue about how the universe came into existence and therefore NO ONE CAN KNOW and I am going to ignore any evidence which points into a direction of the possibility that there may be a God”. Basically it’s the same logical fallacy that you would make if you saw a turtle on the top of a wall: You can just believe that the turtle practiced jumping for a very looooooong period of time and eventually learned to jump so high that it managed to reach the top of the wall. OR…. You follow the most credible explanation … and you admit that most likely someone took the turtle and put it on top of the wall.

Skip the intro. Debate starts at 5:21.

@MezztovenShort4DannY

4 жыл бұрын

Preflex! Thank you

@drakerandall1535

4 жыл бұрын

U da real mvp

@passionfashions3018

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I was just scrolling comments while all the blah blah was going.

@2Shine55

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!!

@2Shine55

4 жыл бұрын

@@passionfashions3018 Like wise

The oldest enemy of man is, he refuses to love.... his ego is put in place of love:

@lionzion1879

4 ай бұрын

The biggest enemy of men is stupidity.

@vincentv.9729

3 ай бұрын

ego is self-love. Problem solved.

@toni4729

Ай бұрын

What is the relevance of this? Are you saying you HAVE TO LOVE GOD in order to be able to love?

Pontius Pilate asked "What is truth?" (While standing right in front of the embodiment of truth itself). Yet, he could not recognize it.

@LGpi314

6 ай бұрын

What does it mean?

@mylespeterson2707

5 ай бұрын

@@LGpi314it means even when coming face to face with the truth you may still be blind to it because of sin.

@LGpi314

5 ай бұрын

@@mylespeterson2707 What truth? I don't believe in sin so I'm incapable of doing it. Where is the evidence of your god? I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

@gi169

5 ай бұрын

​@@LGpi314 Dear God LeoBigotFool you are sooo Stooooopid.

@LGpi314

5 ай бұрын

@@gi169 Your god can't hear you. He was absent when you were supposed to get your brain. LMAO DUmbDumb. It is sad that people in 21st century are relying on goat herders' understanding of the world. It is insane.

This is like watching a debate where the question is "is water wet or dry" and one of the debaters talks about how much they don't like cups

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

It's like watching a debate between an adult and a child with the child defending a talking donkey.

@goodbye6676

3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyEnglandUK What is allowing you to continuing breathing and why do you wake up everyday and Why don't you break down when something says someone against you? Why aren't you a fragile mess? God

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

@@goodbye6676 I'm not sure I can translate that into English. What on Earth are you trying to say?

@rintje6507

3 жыл бұрын

@@goodbye6676 prove it, please

@qaz-fi1id

3 жыл бұрын

@@rintje6507 what type of proof would be sufficient for you?

Frank Turek please write a new book. "I know who Banged the Bang. "

@rodbob11

3 жыл бұрын

It's all ready in a book. god banged mary. end of story.

@02nf2i

3 жыл бұрын

I think it’s a porno

@mizzythereal

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@treydevercelly7518

3 жыл бұрын

@@rodbob11 Mary was a virgin

@noneya8100

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that I saw that film. Really great action, dialogue, and beautiful actresses. In fact, I volunteered to help reenacting banging the Big Bang, but I insisted upon being the first. I need to be the engine, not the caboose... ♥

The mixture of dynamic thought through the ages is the ground for moral judgement.

@obiwan5789

15 күн бұрын

You have proof? Dont play God.

@nathanaelsebo2136

7 күн бұрын

So essentially, moral agents weighing the moral worth of actions invented morality?

Seems alot of people were expecting Hitchens to argue against God. However the question was "Does God exist?" Hitchens response was Yes. He began the debate with this response. "It exists in the minds of those who believe" That being out of the way he spent his time underminig Turek version of God.

@LGpi314

Ай бұрын

You did not pick up sarcasm, did you? ""It exists in the minds of those who believe", Yes, it means god is a man-made concept and only exists in the mind of a believer. It is sad that people in 21st century are relying on goat herders' understanding of the world from 2000-6000 years ago. To me it is insane.

@grandvianna8551

Ай бұрын

Exactly

@chrislongenette8422

Ай бұрын

​@LGpi314 honestly though, I would ONLY expect that people who were "goat herders" in that time and before, would be the only ones in time itself to know what's going on. The reason would be... go outside: you probably can't hear something. Cars, people, construction, etc... Those times were quiet. If we lived like that now, and the world wasn't soo busy, we could probably hear God too. Also, too much going on in people's minds today.

@LGpi314

Ай бұрын

@@chrislongenette8422 "we could probably hear God too.' LMAO. Sure, sparky. Do you believe in the tooth fairy? Do you believe in Santa flying around? Do you believe in easter bunny nesting colored eggs? Do you believe in unicorns? Do you believe in Allah? They have the same probability as your specific god. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

@LGpi314

28 күн бұрын

@mariataneo3640 maybe you should learn what atheism is 1st. LMAO We simply reject your religious claims for the lack of evidence.

Liking how Frank Turek didn't try to fight with him and try to talk over him when he was constantly interrupting him.

@badideass

3 жыл бұрын

Turek makes so many mistakes though... And never corrects them

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

I think you really mean _"You are religious and supported Turek before the debate even began"_ but let me know if I'm wrong.

@Josh-oc7ib

3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyEnglandUK I think you really mean "you aren't religious and supported Turek's opponent before the debate even began." But let me know if I'm wrong.

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

@@Josh-oc7ib I asked you first.

@Josh-oc7ib

3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyEnglandUK i asked you second

2000 years ago Saul of Tarsus summed it up this way...."For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

@gab1172

3 жыл бұрын

I’m not being saved, I’m already saved.

@mangodblackgenesis

3 жыл бұрын

How do you know he said that... And if he did say that, he was limited by someones scripture or a vision...

@petarpetrovic8705

3 жыл бұрын

Quite narcissistic

@archaicgoon5990

3 жыл бұрын

@@gab1172 it's a state of Being saved. Jesus said believe and you will be saved "Believe is a present tense word"

@archaicgoon5990

3 жыл бұрын

@@gab1172 Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Very interesting debate. Not many bad points. I’m glad we’re able to bring many ideals to the table and evaluate them; hopefully with honesty and consistency

@vincentv.9729

3 ай бұрын

What would be perfect for conclusion to find 2 people in the crowd who changed their minds or at least expressed doubts about what they used to think (both ways of course) and talk about it. But I'm not sure any debate ever made someone change his mind. "The man I like destroyed the man I dislike" as said someone as a fun commentary of another video with Hitchens/Craig debate.

Happy to see it was civil

"i'm not afraid of the big bang and i think i know who banged it" - Frank Turek

@ermacsmith3709

4 жыл бұрын

@Jack Of All Trades I would laugh if I'm not a Christian. Now I'm scared for your afterlife. I won't even dare to make that jokes anymore. Just saying.

@ermacsmith3709

4 жыл бұрын

@Jack Of All Trades I would like to answer that but don't have time at the moment. I wouldn't bet my $10,000 on 'there is no afterlife'.

@ermacsmith3709

4 жыл бұрын

@Jack Of All Trades haha that's what I'm talkin about!! lets see

@BLITZMINDTV

4 жыл бұрын

@Jack Of All Trades How can jmyou justify such a claim?

@joeleroy9321

4 жыл бұрын

@Jack Of All Trades he took the punishment of sin to him self so that we are able to go to heaven. Its more like when you go to court and the judge takes your punishment. That is called Love

“Professing to be wise they became fools”So true!

@IIrandhandleII

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed turek is a fool

@FINDINGFITNESS101

5 жыл бұрын

@@IIrandhandleII I think he was talking about the repulsive, bloated, sexually degenerate, bi-polar, Trotsky alcoholic, whom you looked up to so much. Yup, I really miss that odious fat slob!

@user-cr3db7cb8n

5 жыл бұрын

Christopher seemed to really hate god...at least he’s in a hotter place now -2020 edit- it was a joke calm down

@mythospolybius9772

5 жыл бұрын

@@FINDINGFITNESS101 Although I disagree, well said and nice try. Is it then embarrassing to you, as a S&C aficionado, that this fat slob DUNKED on your boy Frank and bronze age myths over and over and over?

@mythospolybius9772

5 жыл бұрын

@Miguel Cisneros lol, I don't know wtf you're so upset about, but it seems like you have a bunch of sources yet aren't making any kind of point! 😈

Hitchens: "Religion now comes to us in this smiley-faced, ingratiating way, because it's had to give so much ground and because we know so much more. But you have no right to forget the way it behaved when it was strong, and when it really did believe that it had God on its side."

@markusbaker1161

7 ай бұрын

😡 EXACTLY. It would have been impossible for someone to openly NOT believe in a deity.

@logicalatheist1065

7 ай бұрын

​@@markusbaker1161death with you!

@philsymes

7 ай бұрын

​​@@markusbaker1161 Good to see you Markus. 😊👍

@LGpi314

7 ай бұрын

@@philsymes Hey Phil. Did you see we have a young creationist, Abby? LMAO

@philsymes

7 ай бұрын

@@LGpi314 Yes! 😂😂😂

Too proud. Pride vs humility happened here.

@CuriousMind83

7 ай бұрын

Christians are some dreadful proud SOBs

@TonyEnglandUK

Ай бұрын

Then say where, when and by whom. And present evidence to prove your claim is true.

@MarshinJr

11 күн бұрын

@@TonyEnglandUK if you know what pride is you can clearly see who where and when.

@TonyEnglandUK

10 күн бұрын

@@MarshinJr No, that routine doesn't work anymore. It's 2024, not 1724. Justify what you say with evidence to prove your claim is true.

@MarshinJr

10 күн бұрын

@@TonyEnglandUK and frank did

Hitchens spent his time expressing his grievance with the morality of some Christians, not whether God exists.

@pauledwards8698

2 жыл бұрын

He doesn't believe God exists so why would he spend time on it. Christians now try and turn the table be stating that it is the responsibility of the Atheist to explain why god does not exist (which is simple, no evidence) when they are the ones making the claim that god exists. Making the claim with NO evidence except for a book, which is not evidence.

@A_DR

2 жыл бұрын

No, he expressed his grievance with what christians do in the NAME of god! Either way, it's false, immoral and contradictory, no matter which way it's cut! Therefore, God doesn't exist!

@anupcheriyachan7745

2 жыл бұрын

@@pauledwards8698 see I am not under Roman chruch. Sometimes I have to boldly say chruch and christ is totally different. Some Chruches donot follow what christ or God has taught. How is Christ or God responsible for that?. If I blame you for some crime done by an atheist in the past will you feel ok?.

@murph8411

2 жыл бұрын

@@anupcheriyachan7745 no true Christian?

@anupcheriyachan7745

2 жыл бұрын

@@murph8411 I didnot understand you?

For Christopher now, there is no question I'd guess. He has since passed and now either definitely knows about the afterlife or not.

@thebeijingking5260

4 жыл бұрын

If this is true, I pray that in the end, he accepted Christ.

@brittany7196

4 жыл бұрын

@airock the great heaven is when we inhabit the earth without sin and wickedness. It’s not us flying around the sky above clouds lol. It’s earth without sickness and wickedness, how it was intended before

@christianmarcusdills1224

4 жыл бұрын

Airock the Great Well, it’s not a promotion of lies. Yes, people still do wrong, even people that believe, because that’s just human nature. We are fallen which is exactly why we need Christ as a savior. That’s exactly why He gave his only son, so he could save us. People still do wrong, believer or not, but once you believe, you are a new creation. It’s a constant battle, struggling with sin, but through Christ, you have help.

@celticwinter

4 жыл бұрын

@Airock the Great well the Bible doesn't care because it is an inanimate object. Good job demonstrating that you don't know what Christianity actually is about. If you can use the internet to post comments, you might as well use it to get to know more about the thing you try to inform others about.

@celticwinter

4 жыл бұрын

@Airock the Great I didn't write anything about evolution, but about morals. Which was the topic. Great reading comprehension.

It would be nice if Hitchens would let Turek to speak instead of interrupt him. It’s supposed to be an opportunity for both sides to say an equal amount for their argument and against the other argument not for one to get in twice as many words. Also it would be nice if he would answer a question instead of jumping it and answering one not asked.

@LGpi314

4 ай бұрын

Is that why Turek yells so much? LMAO

@LGpi314

4 ай бұрын

@@pdworld3421 Or when people spit out nonsense. LMAO

@LGpi314

4 ай бұрын

@@pdworld3421 Fake Dr sitll can't debate anyone. LMAO. No, Hitchens points to that your all-loving god is not that loving or all-powerful. Just because you do not understand what Hitchens said does not mean it is not a valid argument. If your god exists then it is a genocidal narcissistic psychopathic maniac.

So God's existence and whether he is to be admired and obeyed are separate issues? Thanks for admitting that, Dr Turek.

Eloquence and charm in speech can be mistaken as intelligence The content in speech is much more important..

@MiguelDLewis

3 жыл бұрын

Say it again louder for the people in the back.

@bbrantley26

3 жыл бұрын

I agree hitchens definitely has a ton of content in his speech.

@MiguelDLewis

3 жыл бұрын

@@bbrantley26 Not at all. He's all style and no content. All of his arguments were red-herring fallacies about the morality of religion, not the existence of God.

@bbrantley26

3 жыл бұрын

@@MiguelDLewis the existence of any "god" doesn't make for very interesting debate so hitchens pokes holes in the individual aspects of said religion and points out the contradictions therein.

@caseyperry496

3 жыл бұрын

Zero proof of God = zero content.

Funny how Christopher constantly interrupts, dodges questions, and was trying to move onto the audience q&q to avoid Turek pressing him.

@NR-hp1fo

3 жыл бұрын

That's funny I saw Frank interupting too. And he didn't avoid, but what could you possibly ask Frank? A grown man acting like a baby

"Why argue against something you don't believe in?" As opposed to arguing against something you DO believe in? Isn't it enough just to think it's wrong? To think it's harmful is all the more reason.

I’d like to say Hitchens is partially right when it comes to people doing dangerous things, his examples being bomb disposal and jumping on hand grenades just to make a few. People usually don’t do those things to be honored most of the time and I know this from my own experience. Most people who do elite programs do them to be challenged and for lack of a better term they think it’s cool. People jumping on grenades, if you ask the ones who survive, said they did it because they loved their squad or division and they knew if they didn’t do that everyone else would die. Most people put in a hard situation where they have to make these decisions typically do so out of love, compassion, and brotherhood. People in my community are sometimes faced with decisions where if they try to let one man live everyone else will die and that is hard on a man. You can talk to people in the Navy about these decisions and the unlucky few put in that situation will be able to recount that moment accurately even a lifetime later. Being put in a position to choose who dies is almost like you’re playing God and many people do not recover, they lose part of themselves. You know the people you’re choosing between and that never goes away. My experiences at first made me fall far from Gods light, I was an alcoholic and I used it to cope with the hardest 8 months of my life. Nights without sleep and waking up not knowing where I’m at, alcohol was the only thing that seemed to work. I fought multiple things at once some from the physical world some from my mind and I even had a kid from one of those nights I didnt want to remember. It wasn’t until I realized the importance of being a father was that I began to get better. Realizing that God loves me more than I could ever love my child and willing to accept me despite the dark place I was coming from. You won’t know God if you don’t want to. A little bit of a tangent but all of that to say that he misrepresents the community that he was using as a point to prove the inexistence of God and the community itself proves the contrary. I’ve lost many brothers to terrible things and because I’ve gotten through the dark times and realized my own errors I am rejoicing in the light of God. Thank you all who read this through and God bless.

@Thor_Asgard_

4 ай бұрын

God bless you brother. I wish you the best possible life for your future and good on you to love the Lord Jesus Christ. I hope you can do alot of good things for others, by telling them your story.

Mockery has become humor because when genius is lost, mockery takes its place. One cannot win by mocking others.

@mohamedalahmadani5174

4 жыл бұрын

Well put. Although we all should appreciate a little witty banter here and there, I agree that the main focus should be the arguments themselves.

@supernaturalarch666

4 жыл бұрын

Veronica Joseph you do understand that just the fact that someone is saying god did it is a mockery to the intelligent.

@MrRABC1

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. . I hate when people mock me by telling me lies like a god exists. . .why cant they be honest and at best admit they just dont know . . .its the dishonesty and obvious negative outcomes of religion that really gets my goat.

@MrRABC1

4 жыл бұрын

@@supernaturalarch666 *well said sir*

@joshuamacewan3940

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrRABC1 I agree with you about religion. Religious zealots are the very people who killed our Savior. I'm not here to insult anyone because that's not what love does. All I can do is tell you why I've come to the conclusion that God exists. If you're told that something is hot you enter into the realm of belief. Either choosing to believe or not, but once you touch it and are burned you now know from experience that the item is hot. You went from believing to knowing. I know He exists because of experience. I pray that each and everyone of you would be blessed. Religious tradition does nothing but bind us, Jesus sets us free. God bless you all and Happy New Year!

Barista: "Name please?" Hitchens: "I think it was Plato who said something very interesting about deflection.."

@MiguelDLewis

3 жыл бұрын

LOLZ XD

@homiespaghetti1522

3 жыл бұрын

Accurate

@greasyflab3180

3 жыл бұрын

Hello, big fan of your channel.

@kaimarquez8046

3 жыл бұрын

What's funny about this, is whether or not you believe in God it's really obvious that he's deflecting

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaimarquez8046 Let's test deflection with religious people. *Apart from you read it in a book, what evidence do you have that the son of god walked on water and his Father created everything?"*

I enjoyed this very clear informations on both sides. I know mine & justified it with this arguments. Bravo 👍👋😜❤️

@Timakiwala

6 ай бұрын

3 culprits on this earth are responsible for killings of peoples,, misunderstanding ,, hatred,, wars,, . The 3 culprits are *Gods,,Religions,,Castes*. So eradicate these culprits for happy life. & Religious contractors धर्म के ठेकेदार, टीवी कथावाचक,, सो-काॅल्ड सद्गुरू , श्रीश्री, साधु, मुल्ला मौलवी, पादरी,>> are enemies of Human beings:::::Supported by political partis for vote bank politics....

@Nicolas-bj1ww

4 ай бұрын

What you believe in?

@lbits

4 ай бұрын

Very clear??? Wow. Perception really is reality.

Great debate.

The humble soul: clearly sees God everywhere. The proud soul: never sees God anywhere.

@bbrantley26

3 жыл бұрын

What is a soul?

@charliecharlie846

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve never understood this point. I see the beauty of the natural world juxtaposed by the harshness and corruption of it but no where do I see God. Can you please explain this viewpoint to me?

@fikrutsegaye2803

3 жыл бұрын

Oh God give me a humble soul

@ceemmm3526

3 жыл бұрын

I know not of your God!

@makavellithedon3977

2 жыл бұрын

St. Michael the archangel , do you see god where babies are born with cancer and die months later?

I can't stand in debates when one side of the crowd claps and then the other side has to one-up them.

@badideass

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, audience brings no justification to what's being debated

I'm a bit concerned with what many people consider to be "evidence" for God in the the comments here. If any of you can give me a single piece of evidence for the Christian God that can stand up to scrutiny, I'll give you $100.

@abigailedwards3843

7 ай бұрын

Did you not watch the debate 😂

@LGpi314

7 ай бұрын

@@abigailedwards3843 Yes, we all saw that Fake Dr has nothing to prove anything. LMAO.

@abigailedwards3843

7 ай бұрын

@@LGpi314 What a vague accusation. I like how you make a statement then literally say nothing to back it up.

@LGpi314

7 ай бұрын

@@abigailedwards3843 "What a vague accusation" It says that Turek has no dr degree, He lied. So do you. Prove to me that unicorns do not exist. What A M0R0N.

58:21 “Survey said, sit down” Lol. Turek is a fan of family feud it seems 😂

Rest In Peace Christopher, but the way he handled this debate was terrible. He was completely rude to frank when he didn’t try to answer questions but sounded angry, sarcastic and tried to humiliate Frank. Frank was so patient while he gave him no time to explain his point, very hard to watch.

@benedareisinger2650

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. I really was trying to b open minded bc I wanted to hear what Christopher had to say and wanted to see a great debate. But I had a hard time following Christopher. Maybe Its bc I haven't watched him b4 in a debate to know how his thought process works in coming up with his answers but it seemed like he rambled on and on and never really said anything. It was hard to watch.

@pugilisticfront6777

4 жыл бұрын

like the guy you voted for?

@melissasw64

4 жыл бұрын

It was crazy. I get that Hitchen doesn't like Christians. No problem. Our feelings aren't hurt. But that wasn't the question. He sat there like a big old fat, wrinkled up, red faced turd, casting aspersions.

@melissasw64

4 жыл бұрын

Okay so the "big old fat, wrinkled up, red faced turd" was uncalled for. But he WAS casting aspersions. Bless his heart.

@pugilisticfront6777

4 жыл бұрын

@@melissasw64 you speak like a satanist

Turrek: What color does an apple have? Christopher: Square perhaps

@SDL-xu7em

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty good response to a question that has multiple answers If you ask me.

@drtn6206

3 жыл бұрын

Christopher: are apples veg or fruit? Frank: God made them!!!!!!

@raizjonfox9056

3 жыл бұрын

@@SDL-xu7em yeah but is square a color? Your reasoning?

@tomwinchester55

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry you could not understand what he was saying.

@tommiegrimes1827

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

"Jupiter is a cosmic vacuum cleaner that prevents debris from hitting earth" Dude, you ever seen a shooting star FFS?

@grey-dr2cz

Күн бұрын

But did it hit earth?

It holds up his argument

"Does God exist?" vs "Do I like and accept God's existence?". These are two diferent issues. Turek is addressing question 1 whereas Hitches addresses question 2.

@chijiokenwagwu511

11 ай бұрын

You are hundred percent correct

@DGE123

6 ай бұрын

wrong hitchens considers both because they are tied together, you should read more logic

@remotschopp1058

5 ай бұрын

I am Existenz!

@TwiddleJones

5 ай бұрын

Google the phrase ‘burden of proof’, it may shock you.

@Tanliz94

4 ай бұрын

Exactly! Hitchens is impossible honestly

The sun melts the butter and hardens the clay , it's not about the sun it's about the material , here you can see how a man's heart gets hardens .

@peedee4826

10 ай бұрын

Love this quote champ! Gold!

@cshaw9683

10 ай бұрын

Christianity makes claims that are unsubstantiated. One cannot believe what one cannot believe. It has nothing to do with one’s “heart.”

@avergajixa6051

10 ай бұрын

@@cshaw9683 An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah.” So he left them and departed. Matthew 16:4

@cshaw9683

10 ай бұрын

@@avergajixa6051 So, a religion with no proof says that no proof will be forthcoming because people are too evil. That doesn’t strike you as the least bit self serving? It’s merely an excuse for the absence of evidence. I can’t believe what I can’t believe. Can you?

@avergajixa6051

10 ай бұрын

@@cshaw9683 Dear friend even your conscience convicts you of wrong if you're honest , why do you think your conscience screams that you're wrong if you're not held accountable to anyone? , Even a child knows to tell a lie to save himself when he has commited wrong even when such a child has never been punished , why does the child seek to avoid punishment by lying , that is the same with your conscience and God put that in you because you're a moral being who will be held accountable to your actions now you may lie your way to the ends of the earth but you won't escape judgement or you may submit yourself to the voice of conscience and seek a saviour in the person of Jesus Christ. The evidence you seek is within you .

I am amazed gow many words Hitchens says to answer a question without actually answering any question.

@FitratAbdulla

5 ай бұрын

You are confusing with Turek who yelled and screamed all night without saying anything valuable only to be mocked and humiliated by Hitchens 😄

@mearionet

5 ай бұрын

For example?

@fjb3544

5 ай бұрын

Notice how many times he wanted to get his audience involved?

@fjb3544

5 ай бұрын

@@FitratAbdullaand still Hitchens did not address the original question. Instead he made it about religion

I really enjoy listening to both of these gentleman. They are both dropping knowledge. I do wish people would stop with the judgmental comments. Its clear that your minds were made up before even viewing. They both deserve our respect. RIP Mr. Hitchens & thank you Dr.Turek. ✌🏾💜

@LGpi314

7 ай бұрын

I don't mind listening but I mind when Turek makes assertions without any evidence. That is what he and WLC do constantly. Turek yells because he thinks the loudest wins. He is not a Dr by any accredited institution. "Southern Evangelical Seminary" claims to be one but there is no registry of it in US.

@VikesTrendingUp

7 ай бұрын

@@LGpi314 I got respect for his knowledge, views and opinions. His credentials are irrelevant to me. He encourages people to think and isn't dismissive. I respect what he's doing.

@LGpi314

7 ай бұрын

@@VikesTrendingUp Who does?

@abigailedwards3843

7 ай бұрын

​@@VikesTrendingUp Thanks for the positive message! Many agree with you, of course the comment trolls won't, but that doesn't detract from the truth of your statement. 👍

@LGpi314

7 ай бұрын

@@abigailedwards3843 Don't speak of yourself in many.

No one actually unbiasedly voting on who won this debate would choose Hitchens. He answered Zero questions and caved when pressured by only countering other questions.

@jeptime657

2 жыл бұрын

What question has he not answered?

@hexl702too5

Жыл бұрын

If you believe that Adam and Eve were actual people….. What race were they?…. If they were real people, they must have a race just like they must have a gender…. Whosoever God createth first, he must loveth the most…. Was he a white supremacist, creating white people first?…. Or were Adam and Eve black?…. If they were made in God’s image why have Black people been treated so shabbily over the years?…. Not that I give a darn…. I just like hearing what you guys come up with… I love mental gymnastics and Bible- splainin’….

@TadTheTinker

Жыл бұрын

@@jeptime657 pretty much all of them. Anything that might have shown his point of view as fallable, he refused to answer. He danced around anything remotely close honesty throughout the debate.

@carlosrodas423

8 ай бұрын

Hitchens, like Nietzsche, is popular because of being a color commentator and not a player in the game. Pure narcissism and no substance.

@wtfboom4585

2 ай бұрын

​@@jeptime657I don't believe there is a God, but Hitchens did not answer or refute almost all of Turek's arguments

So someone introduces someone that introduces the debaters?

@degebeundebende993

4 жыл бұрын

@@elgatofelix8917 a very intellectual argument i see

@konradsartorius7913

4 жыл бұрын

@@elgatofelix8917 Assertion not in evidence.

@vaden706

4 жыл бұрын

.. who introduce opinions that others introduced to them

@incorectulpolitic

4 жыл бұрын

When will the muslims, indians on american continents etc appologize for their torturing/murdering/genocides ?

@songsandverses

4 жыл бұрын

Haha

One of the best debate I ever watched

@QuinnEdwards1

4 ай бұрын

Turek was good but Hitchens was deplorable.

@Salvdrr

3 ай бұрын

Watch William lane Craig vs hitchens

@stefon815

3 ай бұрын

​@BrentWong77 you believe in an imaginary friend. Relax.

@kpl775

2 ай бұрын

I recommend you watch the other debate they had "What best explains reality". I think that's way better

@Twist52

Ай бұрын

@@SalvdrrEntertaining debate but WLC being stuck on his script kind of ruined the whole thing

Hitchens has the unique virtue of humiliating the weakness and corruption on my own side, and for that I that I thank God.

Debate : Is God real? Frank : Yes Hitchens : let me tell you about the time....

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

Debate: Is God real? Hitchens: No. Frank Turek: Well, I have a book here which includes a talking donkey, talking snake and talking bush, why oh why don't you think it's true?

@solomonsong33

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

@knarmer

3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyEnglandUK oh u mad huh

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

@@knarmer LOL - Thanks for your intellectual input, Einstein and Hawking would be crapping themselves.

@knarmer

3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyEnglandUK yuh he mad

Hitchens didn't present much arguments against the existence of a creator of the universe, he just ranted against religion. A creator doesn't need religion to exist.

@a.brekkan4965

4 жыл бұрын

@Slippery Storm Well, that gods exist in the mind of people does not mean they exists. Gods can exist in both terms.

@pratyushdam1

9 ай бұрын

thats because non existant things need to be proven first before it needs to be disproven.

@crk3426

9 ай бұрын

Well you present to me evidence that I don’t converse with unicorns on a daily basis. Not that simple, eh? Frank didn’t have any evidence that Christopher could then counter. Frank was very weak from the start so I think Christopher did well to carry the debate as he did.

@tomosjackson4760

9 ай бұрын

@@crk3426 It seems to me that Frank is appealing to truths of reality that everyone is willing to accept in their day-to-day lives, but not when it is carried further to the idea of God. Everyone who sees complex design assumes a designer capable of complexity. An atheist and a Christian would laugh at a man who said that it was technically possible that a Boeing 747 could be made by a tornado flying through a junk yard. But apply that same logic, that an explosion of chemicals results in planets and complex creatures with minds to reason and suddenly that Atheist is no longer laughing but nodding seriously. Technically if an atheist could demonstrate that a universe with different parameters would result in a different type of life then the Argument from Design by simply stating that what we see is the result of adaptation of life to the tools it was dealt with, but from what I've heard so far, atheists have not demonstrated that, but rather affirmed that no life AT ALL would be possible had the universe had different parameters. The Argument from Morality seems to be used (in this scenario) as a means of demonstrating to the atheist that his own being appeals seeks to appeal to an authority over all Men to acquire Justice throughout the species while at the same time saying that there is no authority above Man's. An atheist will act religious when it suits him, by appealing to a higher power that men should listen to in an almost prayer-like manner. Cosmological Argument is way easier. Demonstrate definitively to me that anything within the natural universe can cause its own existence before it exists and I would be willing to consider that there is no need for the supernatural, aka the existence of something beyond / above the natural. Without this atheism is not the skepticism that many like to frame it as, but a type of delusion that is not only unaligned with reality, but directly opposed to it.

@matsbjur2535

9 ай бұрын

Yes he did. He said the deist position cannot be disproven, but that theism is ridiculous. Which is true.

This Frank Turek is amazing. His speech can be summed up with: "God exists because there is no other explanation for the fact that not only we exist, but we also think that God Himself exists". That's not logic, and not even common sense. He sounds to me like one of those politicians who stupefy you with talk to sell you their wares. Here in Europe NO priest, Cardinal or Pope would talk like this as a vacuum cleaner salesman

@FitratAbdulla

5 ай бұрын

Exactly! The guy has to feed his family from sales of his nonsense books.

@rj_lew

3 ай бұрын

How does nothing form something? Is it a coincidence that earth is perfectly placed in the universe?

@SandrOliva

3 ай бұрын

Earth happens to be perfectly placed in the Universe for OUR existence, which is not necessarely essential. Other planets could be perfectly placed for different forms of life, while our envirement would be deathly. And as for the beginning of the Universe, the latest theories hypothesize that it all started from an incredibly compressed nucleus of matter which contained all the matter that is contained in our Universe, which exploded and gave birth to were we are now. And it might have happened many more times before, as we know that our Universe one day will shrink back to the original state. Don't ask me about details, I'm not a scientist, but an uncle of mine was, and they know how it works (there's videos which explain all in simple plain words. Scientists have come out with such a theory after studies and calculations, and though there cannot be no experimental confirmation, at the moment that's considered the most likely hypotesis). At the same time, there's no experiment or calculation which can even vaguely prove the existence of any Entity who could take part to this process. It could be, as well as forces we cannot even imagine could have started it all. We simply don't know. But the existence of an individual Entity who have created a whole Universe just for housing our specie on a remote rock at the border of a meaningless Galaxy (and who even worries about our reproductive activities and even thoughts and lies), is highly laughable.

@rj_lew

3 ай бұрын

@@SandrOliva you’re right, it is a force that we cannot imagine. GOD 👏👏

@SandrOliva

3 ай бұрын

Call it God, call it Jim, call it with an equation or formula, it's not what you mean as God for sure. That's a Legend created by ancient civilizations who knew nothing about science. there might be something somewhere, but it's not either El or YHW or anything that has been narrated in any "Holy Book". Let's be humble and recognize we simply DON'T KNOW. We, as somewhat evolved primates, don't even know IF there's such an Entity., as ants can't even what a computer is

This was one of the frustrating debates i have ever listened to. Turek presented a solid, cogent argument for the existence of god. As an atheist myself, I was eager to hear Hitchens's response. I was so disappointed with his performance - mostly going off on tangents or on a soapbox to attack his personal take on religion - not what the debate was about.

@Theo_Skeptomai

5 ай бұрын

What was Tutek's formal argument - can you present it here?

@kapitan19969838

27 күн бұрын

​@@Theo_Skeptomai Didn't You watch the video?

Hitchens doesn't answer any questions bro

@kaydenjones6616

4 жыл бұрын

Ty T yea because he can’t. He just convinces people that they don’t need to be answered by/or bringing up other questions, which ultimately makes him sound convincing

@tylert5096

4 жыл бұрын

@William Monroe Your argument is much that of Job's from the bible. He gets angry at God for all the wrong things in the world. God reveals himself to Job and explains that it's not as simple as people think. Running the world is very complex. Suffering is consequence through sin. However, God didn't create us with sin. God created us with the beautiful gift of choice. People often argue something like "Well if we're so perfect according to God, why do we sin?" Well humanity chose to sin. There is a divine beauty about choice. God didn't create us as robots with an artificial love for Him. He created us so that we COULD choose to love Him, genuinely. My point is that God does things in this world that we may not even understand in our lifetime. Still, everything will work out. I'm also assuming that you're saying if God doesn't get rid of disease, hunger, and what else, he is unjust. If there is not a moral constant in this universe, you can't say God is unjust. Otherwise, whatever you say is just subjective. Obviously, you and I have a sense of right and wrong, which is objective.

@kaydenjones6616

4 жыл бұрын

Ty T I completely agree. God gave us free will. People confuse God writing out everyone’s lives with simply knowing everyone’s lives. Our lives will be whatever we choose them to be because God gives us that choice. He doesn’t decide how we live. So if we choose to live with sin, then we choose to live with the consequences of sin. It goes back to the whole idea as to why Jesus was sent to the cross in the first place, so that we would not be condemned to Hell for committing one sin. The wages of sin is death, so Jesus, being the ultimate sacrifice, died so that we all have the gift of life in heaven. Adam had the gift of choice, and he decided to eat from the tree of knowledge, which ultimately brought sin into the world. So if you’re going to blame anyone blame him lol.

@nathannikora1761

4 жыл бұрын

@@tylert5096 Amen

@marksip01234

4 жыл бұрын

Not true - from 1:06:33 he answered all questions - I suspect you just dont' like his answers

Frank Turek: What's 1 + 1? Christopher Hitchens: Once upon a time...

@tertiusvaneeden4890

3 жыл бұрын

On point🤣

@pearldyke2665

3 жыл бұрын

Lol😂

@oluwabamiseoyetayo67

3 жыл бұрын

This is accurate 😂😅

@Nathan-rt5vj

3 жыл бұрын

I wish he’d said 1+1 instead his dumbass questions were: “WHO CREATED MORALITY, BEZINE OR CARBON?” ...

@chabelic1684

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂

let's just say it... Frank Turek was the adult here, took serious the debate and came with good and hard questions.... while Christopher Hitchens was poorly prepared, had a superficial approach and didn't answer to almost none of the opponent's questions.

@FitratAbdulla

5 ай бұрын

If he was adult then why did he humiliate himself all evening and got Hitchslapped at 1:28:30? 🤔

@gi169

5 ай бұрын

​@@FitratAbdulla 🤣😂😅👍 The troll bot Fartwa is back.

@LGpi314

5 ай бұрын

@@gi169 Blablabbla troll. You are a limited vocabulary goatherder

@beniaminhozan3117

5 ай бұрын

@@FitratAbdulla 'why did he humiliate himself' ... when / where? .. Frank Turek spoke very well, not like Christopher Hitchens :/ ... 'and got Hitchslapped' ... i guess you didn't pay attention enough at what Frank Turek said.. he also stated that religion can be bad and do wrong things... as a christian i agree that many religions are used as a tool for wrong purposes... but Jesus called us to follow Him and His teachings, not a religion or a set of silly rules.. Jesus expects us to have a relationship with Him, not blindly stick to a religion :/ ... May God bless your soul in Jesus' Name, amen!

@Princ1967

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree

this is so simple no debate is necessary. "theists believe God exists outside of time and space". debate over. all evidence for anything that exists (that is also providable) is within time and space.

Damn dude, props for uploading these unedited.

@kaufmanat1

4 жыл бұрын

Despite what people like to claim, he ain't trying to hide anything. He isn't lying. He isn't trying to sneak around and trick people. What you see is what you get.

@espiritu2757

4 жыл бұрын

@@kaufmanat1 Many comments, including most of the top liked ones were deleted because they stated the truth, that Turek lost a terribly fought battle.

@user-mg1jp2qf7h

4 жыл бұрын

Espíritu in your biased eyes, that’s the case.

@deonliberator8953

4 жыл бұрын

We need to pray for the blind.

@b.p.emma.

3 жыл бұрын

i mean whether turek won or lost doesnt make him any more right lol

Honestly, I don't see Hitchens answering any question with rationality. He's just judging and disliking the way he thinks God would manage the world.

@rayensabandar8392

4 жыл бұрын

I can't say for Hitchens, but if I were in his position and were to asked that question, I would say that is how I feel about religion and God. Religion is not a cause of good in this world, it probably is the poison in this world. For religion to exist with God on their side, it would mean anything you "think" God said to you, is the absolute correct way, which have been used wrongly in the present time and during the Roman Catholic times (if I'm not mistaken). For some people (that I know as well), to believe in God means that everything that happens is because God says so or God made it that way, that includes all the wicked things humanity have done, all the wicked things nature has done to humanity and so on and so forth. Which is (for me) highly contradictive if you believe God is all powerful and can do great things. My religious teachers (and I would assume a lot of religious people) told me that if you don't follow his teachings, you would go to hell, what kind of God is it that only do good things to those who worship Him, I mean even human can still treat people who were bad at them better than that. Edit: This is how I argue Hithcens' stance on religion and God, the entirety of religion and God are all contradictive and not coherent with one another which makes him answers those questions. At least that's how I see it and if religion and God were to manage the world, all those contradictive things would ruin it and make people thinks they have the highest form of power because God is on their side.

@rayensabandar8392

4 жыл бұрын

@@twoplustwoequalsfive6212 hmmmm I'm not sure I'm getting your point here. What you have stated is true, what the biological body needs is one thing and what the mind wants (the chemical reaction to certain things) is another thing. Your body needs healthy food and exercise in order to he healthy but your brain doesn't seem to "like" it. Hahaha I'm just confused about what your point is

@rayensabandar8392

4 жыл бұрын

@@twoplustwoequalsfive6212 hmmmm so anything good that people do is because of God and bad things is because of the other parts of the duality? or is that an oversimplification of your statement?

@homoecce31

4 жыл бұрын

Arrogance and disrespectful.

@melissasw64

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArtemisShanks But Turek isn't defending religion. He is defending the idea that there is a God who gives us our morals. Attacking Christianity (or Hinduism or Mormons or whatever) doesn't answer the question about the origin of our morals.

The typewriter is NOT out of existence, it has been transformed into something better fit for present day….a keyboard for your computer, phone, etc.. It kinda evolved….ya know

@kapitan19969838

27 күн бұрын

By itself?

How would we ever know, since existence doesn't come with the criteria for how to judge whether there is or isn't?

Chris: I don’t even need a minute... Also Chris: *takes four minutes to ask one question.

@poozer1986

3 жыл бұрын

That's Christopher, to you, and everyone else for that matter

@JP-dp3kt

3 жыл бұрын

@Alex Swan I just think it’s funny that he has a hard time keeping to what he said. If he needs the time then he needs the time. It just comes off as arrogance when he keeps saying “I don’t need the time, I don’t, I don’t..” when he clearly needs it. He is obviously trying to downplay his opponent and lines like this show it.

@poozer1986

3 жыл бұрын

@@JP-dp3kt again, was just stating his name is Christopher

@JP-dp3kt

3 жыл бұрын

@Alex Swan meant no offense.

@poozer1986

3 жыл бұрын

@@JP-dp3kt and none was received. It's very common knowledge he hated being caklled Chris, or even Chrissy

A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word ‘darkness’ on the walls of his cell.

@Nicole-rf5vs

3 жыл бұрын

If not for man the God would have no glory without his slaves the idea of God would have no power, what makes a man a lunatic?...the idea of what he says and does is odd ?...or dangerous?...well I would argue that is the whole foundation to which any religion came to be, a man saying something so unfathomable in a time where people were uneducated and without answer...we know now that we are on a planet we know that we are not the only one ...we know that thunder lightning storms are not gods amd we learned this with science ...but imagine trying to explain that to man in bronze age, imagine a man telling you that he was in fact the second son of God and telling you that every single believe you had was interpreted wrong ...that it's his will to destroy man ..hypothetically of course what would man do with him now?.....he would be your lunatic ! But because this was thousands of years ago you have this belief what makes man from the time of jesus more credible than man of now.?

@mrsatire9475

3 жыл бұрын

Which God?

@joshhale2507

3 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite lewis quotes

@Jacob-ic8nb

3 жыл бұрын

Which God we talking about?

@mrsatire9475

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jacob-ic8nb - Which god condones putting the mentally ill he created into cells? Surely it must be Zeus, leader of all the Gods and Goddesses.

Im glad Hitchens didnt waste too much time debating whether god actually exists, because that is so asanine a thing to talk about. You cant disprove or prove non-falsifiables. Religion is evil, this we can actually talk about.

Is G-d a person/being or a word to describe the power of cause and effect?

@monserratsoto9338

3 ай бұрын

That’s where the debate should’ve started

@marsrideroneofficial

3 ай бұрын

i think god is a law, a code or the formula that binds and creates everything.

@ethanbrown7198

2 ай бұрын

God is a literal being that is a spirit. But as God He can be anything. Hence why Christians believe Jesus is the son of God. There is an alternate dimension that consists solely of spirits where God and the devil are visible, yet in ours, we can not see the spirits.

Frank: asks question. Christopher: tells a story or joke. Frank: What does that have to do with anything? Christopher: tells a story or joke. __ Christopher: asks question. Frank: "well, when he-" Christopher: *doesn't let Frank speak" Also Christopher: tells a story or a joke.

@cesarijkers

4 жыл бұрын

Pathetic debating tactic. Can't believe I've listened to him for two hours.

@akinajackson7573

4 жыл бұрын

@@cesarijkers 😂🖤

@unlimitedperseverance1706

3 жыл бұрын

@Rayan Actually He does claim he knows. He has to explain just like Frank does.

@criminalblaze2159

3 жыл бұрын

@Rayan the same can be said to you as well. How are you sure that no god exists at all? If you believe the laws of thermodynamics to be true the what happens to the electrical energy in you after you die? And please send evidence to back your claim that is 100% accurate. After all if disproving a creator is far easier then this should be a cake walk.

@criminalblaze2159

3 жыл бұрын

@Rayan it fascinates me that you have this view. If you believe that no god exist doesn't the the thought of death scare you? And also how could you be certain that ( humour me on this. I know you don't believe it my friend) if it was intelligent design that the creator would not use the stroke of his brush to make us in his image. It's said great artist leave a piece of themselves on the canvas or sculpture. I'm not so narrow minded to think that we are the only universe that was created. After all if this was infact intelligent design I doubt that all his creativity would be used on one soul universe. I got away from my original question though. What would you even possibly consider god to be like?

What was this? Didn’t even argue the same argument nor did he even attempt to rebuttal any of tureks opening statement

@fefemcgee3757

2 жыл бұрын

I always saw hitchens as more of a whacky tv talkshow guest than a serious force in religious debate. He basically acknowledges Deism may be correct (and at that point, concedes the debate) then spends the remainder making fun of Catholics.

@oggyoggy1299

2 жыл бұрын

In a debate you don’t provide a rebuttal too opening statements. That’s why it’s called an opening statement. it’s formulated before you know what the other person is going to say.

@thaDjMauz

2 жыл бұрын

Like Oggy says, they are opening statements. They are written before the debate and so hitchens' opening statement does not respond to torek's.

"If it wasn't a natural cause, it must have been a _supernatural_ cause by definition" No dude. If it wasn't a natural cause then it's an _unnatural_ cause. You can't leap to _super_ natural, that is not logical thinking.

@samirgirgis9941

3 күн бұрын

Please define exactly what is an unnatural cause for creation, if it wasn’t a supernatural cause.

Religion is responsible for actions that most people think are bad. Therefore, Atheism is true. [CH] He is such an intelligent man and yet his arguments are extremely weak. May he change his heart and have his mind cured from blindness.

For most part Christopher was attacking theistic world view and not presenting how God doesn't exist. It's like "criticizing someone and not suggesting why you are criticizing."

@Kman.

4 жыл бұрын

As with most of the online atheists as well...they frequent the Christian videos only to bait s/one for a fight...hurl insults, deny every argument and never put up any logical, rational, alternative view for debate.

@MartinX192

3 жыл бұрын

Because without a solid factual basis behind them they are not arguments, theyre opinions. You cant debate an opinion

@ramptonarsecandle

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartinX192 Totally agree, how can you debate around something that essentially is fiction and they all "believe" because they have faith. Makes me laugh when they say "logical, rational, alternative view" as if they have a logical view. Pathetic

@robdog4062

3 жыл бұрын

So pretty much Frank won the debate

@ramptonarsecandle

3 жыл бұрын

@@robdog4062 If you believe in fairy stories then yes, if on the other hand you believe in reality then no.

I watch a number of debates and I find an interesting trend among the atheists (Hitchens, Dawkins): 1. They never actually answer the questions being asked. Instead, they deflect it back to the person asking, or they attack the religion. This debate is on the existence of God and the source of all existence, but Hitchens refused to answer what he believes and instead butchers a faith he has a lot of misconceptions about. 2. When they ask a question, they are quick to cut off the response in order to (in my opinion) look like they are in control of the debate. This is a great tactic if you are looking to frustrate, but a lousy tactic if you are looking for an exchange of ideas. 3. Do both of the aforementioned while looking smug and confident. While this can appeal to the masses that have the same views, in the end it shows how ignorant the person (Hitchens, Dawkins) is. Had I handed in a research paper in with I avoided the actual thesis, steered the debate away from the thesis, and misrepresented or neglected to examine the opposing views, I dont care how smug I would look, I would have gotten an "F". My applause to Mr Turek. Great on-sided debate

@patrickbrawner2438

4 жыл бұрын

Scott Wagner I think Hitchens would argue that, the burden of proof is not with science, because science doesn’t claim to know the origin of life. The burden is with religion since people of faith already claim to know the origin of life, thereby blinding them to every piece of evidence against them.

@noahokayama3825

4 жыл бұрын

Patrick Brawner The only logic position for one who’s yet to experience God is agnosticism. Current disbelief, but acknowledgement that there could be. You can’t deny the origin of time/space/energy coming from actual nothing, does allude to a supernatural force making that unfathomably large-scale event go off perfectly. Even if you don’t personally believe that, you’d be unreasonable to say you know there’s no way it was supernatural or a Godly being which made that happen. We say we believe it, not that was can scientifically prove it. And you’d have to figure out what “proof” you’d even need, and how possible it is that modern science could currently provide that for you.

@patrickbrawner2438

4 жыл бұрын

@@noahokayama3825 Here's where I take issue with your view: I am not DISBELIEVING that a supernatural force could have created time, space, and energy. I'm just not jumping to conclusions on who's responsible for it. An unfathomably large scale event, I would agree with that. But over the course of history, have humans not made discoveries in the natural world that were previously considered unfathomable? Why are religious people so insistent on accrediting the creation of the heavens and the Earth to an all powerful God? Those who believe in science, reason, and logic, are still in pursuit of the truth, but the faithful seem to contempt these pursuits.

@patrickbrawner2438

4 жыл бұрын

@@noahokayama3825 And why do I believe they show contempt? Because religion appears to only be about power over another human being. Religious people seem to aspire to a world that only exists within their imagination, instead of trying to preserve and improve the only real world we do have.

@bensonibe2615

4 жыл бұрын

@@patrickbrawner2438 Before Einstein, the generally accepted view of gravity was that proffered by Newton. Nobody disputed it without contrary evidence. Today, the logical conclusion about the source of the material world is the supernatural. Why are you so confident a contrary explanation will be found before it is actually found? This is the same position as you would accuse the 'believer' of: bias.

30:22 Here is where Hitchens answers the question and admits that God is real (to those who believe) and that there are no sets of facts that would get him to believe that. Guys, we need to start calling Christopher Hitchens what he is. He's not an Atheist, he's a Christian! He just fully acknowledged that to those who believe in God that He is real and that regardless of the facts laid out by Dr. Turek that he would refuse to believe in Him. And that's exactly what it's like to struggle with faith as a Christian, Lord knows I've had my struggles with faith. That is probably why Christian debaters seem so frustrated when going against him because he believes a God exists (for those who believe) but no matter what he won't believe which is his choice, same as many others who know the truth and choose to ignore it because it makes their lives easier to justify.

@gi169

5 ай бұрын

Amen

@FitratAbdulla

5 ай бұрын

You are so fool and stoopid, to quote Gilly here. Hitch is acknowledging that your favorite pathetic god is real to you, just like Allah is real to Muslims, none of them have anything to do with reality. It’s all in your f&$king imagination, which you are welcome to worship like a slave. 😉

@gi169

5 ай бұрын

​@@FitratAbdulla With every comment FartwaBigotFool you prove your disgusting bigotry and ignorance

@LGpi314

5 ай бұрын

@@gi169 Look in the mirror. goatherders believer.

@gi169

5 ай бұрын

@@LGpi314 Such bigotry from you LeoBigotFool.

what's wrong with Frank Turk, all this high talk, but NO evidence for god's existence, just wishful speculations.....why doesn't he realize this himself?

@LGpi314

2 ай бұрын

“I don’t have enough hamburgers to be a vegetarian” -Turek What do you expect from an apologist? 🤣😂🤣😂

Hitchens makes it very clear that he is not trying to disprove God’s existence... he is only stating that he doesn’t want God to exist.

@CteCrassus

4 жыл бұрын

In order to disprove something, evidence of that something must exist. If no evidence is presented there's nothing to disprove nor need to.

@wattlebough

4 жыл бұрын

Juan Carlos Gonzalez A positive assertion requires evidence. Both parties make positive claims that neither can back up with material evidence. It’s an impasse.

@CteCrassus

4 жыл бұрын

@@wattlebough Not really. The case for God hasn't really been properly made; As such, there's nothing to disprove. If one side says "God exists" and the other says "I don't believe you", only one positive claim has been made.

@wattlebough

4 жыл бұрын

@@CteCrassus The claim "God does not exist" is a positive assertion. In order to make the assertion that God does not exist the person asserting the claim must also claim to have absolute knowledge. That a person does not know a God exists and cannot find evidence of that God does not ipso facto prove anything other than that the persons cannot find. It does not prove that a God does not exist.

@CteCrassus

4 жыл бұрын

@@wattlebough "The claim "God does not exist" is a positive assertion." Indeed it is, which is why most Atheists these days do not make it, as it assumes a completely unnecessary _Burden of Proof._ What most atheists claim these days is that theists have not met their own _Burden of Proof_ and thus it is irrational to believe that any gods exist until their existance has been positively demonstrated. It's the same criteria i personally use for dragons, fairies, still living dinosaurs, alien visitations and the reptilians that have supossedly infiltrated the Illuminati. Fun fact: By default most theists hold the claim "God does not exist" for *every god other than their own.*

i really don't understand why Hitchens can't take a single question properly. about the irreducible complexity of DNA, he goes on to talk about the big bang rather than the intricacy of our DNA. he's passed away since, and it's regrettable that he didn't know Christ.

@Amos9.11

3 жыл бұрын

People are prone to error, sometimes in how we go about answering questions and other times in the answers we give. We can also be illogical and even deceptive at times. Atheists are no exception, and the aggressive anti-theist kind of atheist such as Hitchens is usually more illogical and deceptive than the less fervent agnostic atheist. I say this with no malice toward atheists, since I was one myself from about the age of 16 until I was 26. Although after Hitchens was diagnosed with terminal cancer he declared he would never turn to God on his deathbed, none of us know what he was thinking during his last days and hours on earth. One can only hope for his sake that he changed his mind.

@oxybenzol9254

3 жыл бұрын

We know of 118 chemical elements. 117 of them are able to create about 700.000 different molecules 1 element is able to create 40mio different molecules. Why is that so? Laws of nature. Now you could say that god created the laws of nature and those laws then create Adenin, Thymin/ Uracil, Guanin and Cytosin. Thymin and Uracil are slightly different. One is used in the DNA the other in the RNA. But if you accept laws of nature there is no reason not to accept evolution coz its a law as well or if you will you can call it mechanism.

@chosen729

2 жыл бұрын

Well he knows now. CRYSTAL CLEAR NOW. In this video he is clearly rebellious against God and the gospel. Like he hates it and is running from it.

@lukejamesadams31

2 жыл бұрын

@Scott Scotty The fact that DNA shows intelligent information implies an intelligent creating mind. That's why it matters. It's not God of the Gaps. It's trying to reach the best conclusion based on where the evidence seems to point. I guess we will all find out for ourselves one day, but for now I'm going to place my bet with the theory that seems to fit the evidence the best.

@shadowmomochiuchiha6839

Күн бұрын

@@chosen729 You can't hate and run from what you don't believe in, he doesn't take theism seriously. Neither do I.

It’s amazing that a religious individual or a follower will use another persons truth against him. But they will tell you they know of course they don’t know they hope they wish they need to be able to say something and if you’re honest, you can’t counter it because nobody can know

Is Hitchens a politician? Because he avoided literally every single question

@mr-wx3lv

4 ай бұрын

He's a journalist and writer..

@DiVi000

4 ай бұрын

@@mr-wx3lv Really?! Please do tell more

@LGpi314

4 ай бұрын

@@DiVi000 "Please do tell more' Why don't you google his work? LMAO. He also has been dead for 12 years now and still triggering religious snowflakes.

@DiVi000

4 ай бұрын

@@LGpi314 eL eM AO, please learn some sarcasm. You communist atheist leftards are really so easy to trigger

@Nigelzenig

4 ай бұрын

​@@LGpi314i am not religious but his failure to address arguments directly triggers me! I suspect that Turek may have made many mistakes, but he comes off better here but he is willing to make argument about the actual question, Gods existence

I'm so thankful we live in a time that we can have a debate about such a topic freely and safely and respectively without hate or threat of persecution I hope we will always have that ability world wide never close your mind always seek truth and above all else seek love.

@FitratAbdulla

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. But in many parts of the world, particularly in Muslim countries, this kind of debate is still not possible. We still have a long and arduous road ahead. ✌️

@raphaelfeneje486

Жыл бұрын

@@FitratAbdulla Because you can't ask questions in Islam. The moment you do, you automatically become a kafir

@JanieBee

Жыл бұрын

This was 11 yrs ago😟 nowadays speakers get attacked, and there’s usually always hecklers and disrupters. But usually only if it’s conservative or Christian

@undercoveragent9889

Жыл бұрын

@@JanieBee IKR. I think this is James' first visit to our planet. IV-mectin, anyone?

@henrygingold6549

Жыл бұрын

Try it in rural Arkansas or West Virginia

He's very good at deflecting.

@lucianosilipo5024

4 жыл бұрын

Not only is he an atheist but also an aquestionist.... thank you, autographs later, have a good night all

@johnbuell8035

4 жыл бұрын

Pam Morschauser who’s ‘he’? We can’t read your mind.

@krixpop

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnbuell8035 take a guess ...

@TurinTuramber

3 жыл бұрын

Turek was like a babbling toddler to CH. I think CH was disappointed with the standard of his opposition.

I’m thankful for Hitchens showing us that it’s enough to simply dodge the question over and over than actually answering it, me personally I’d want an actual answer but I’m thankful he showed me that I don’t need answers I just need to constantly deflect with humor, tho I would’ve loved to know where morality comes from instead of him cracking a joke everytime it was asked, almost as if he doesn’t have one, interesting 🤓

@grossartus

4 ай бұрын

what question didnt he answer? he answered the same questions in different ways, but since it's not the answer you want he is then dodging? thats very dishonest

@reggrunow1460

4 ай бұрын

You just didn't understand the answers.

@Arcann-501

4 ай бұрын

No! All his answers were dodging! Every question condemning him he answered to with blasphemy and irony to the Bible! When you don't have a serious answer you just attack the opposition!

@Arcann-501

4 ай бұрын

@blottedcenter4348 is right

@blottedcenter4348

4 ай бұрын

@@grossartus where did morality come from in a non theology point of view ? He repeatedly dodged the question with humor

I noticed Hitchens just avoids questions and doesn’t let turek speak

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3 жыл бұрын

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3 жыл бұрын

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3 жыл бұрын

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3 жыл бұрын

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@isaacgonzales5612

3 жыл бұрын

@D I would be mad too if you ask him questions and he just insults you.

I haven’t watched this just yet but i thank you for keeping the comment section open. That’s not always the case in other Christian debate channels & videos. So yes, kudos to you in this.

@thomascanfield8571

2 жыл бұрын

No debate here

@jaysant6958

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomascanfield8571 What is it then?

@hz.kemalpasa2997

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomascanfield8571 It's literally a debate between Frank Turek and Christopher Hitchens.

@ashwayn

2 жыл бұрын

Im on my second percolator of coffee O the pain

@jaysant6958

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashwayn Did you get burned by the coffee?

It’s like Hitchens forgot what the debate was about. Does God exist? Not which God, or the Christian God. But for the record Jesus is the God of the universe and he deserves everyone’s submission and praise.

@luis44025

Ай бұрын

He did answer the question. He said it existed in the mind of those who believed.

@TonyEnglandUK

Ай бұрын

No, it's like you ignored what Hitchens said because you disagreed with his views on religion. You're a Christian, at least be honest.

@LGpi314

28 күн бұрын

"I believe there is one God. " How do you prove that? “I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them.” ― Bertrand Russell

@LGpi314

28 күн бұрын

"for the record Jesus is the God of the universe and he deserves everyone’s submission and praise." LMAO Funny how delusional your people are “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” ― Christopher Hitchens There is no evidence of angels, satan or gods. Do better next time. What else do you have?

@byronrhodes1659

28 күн бұрын

@@LGpi314 there is a reason to consider it if believing has eternal repercussions.

1:18:00 Hitchen’s defends the concept that a fetus is a baby in the womb!

@mbell9995

4 ай бұрын

I’m not an opponent of abortion, but I think Bill Burr said it best (paraphrasing) that if you put cake batter in an oven, but toss the batter out halfway through baking, I’m still gonna accuse you of ruining my cake.

@lebbiiyy

4 ай бұрын

@@mbell9995you’re not against murder?

@mbell9995

4 ай бұрын

@@lebbiiyy I would be more against abortion if my country (USA) actually cared about children and mothers. Birth control should be subsidized and nearly free. At least 6 months of legally protected maternity leave should be nation wide. Births should be free, daycare costs need to be reduced, and all kids should get free nutritionally packed school breakfast and lunch until the day they leave highschool. Give me that and we can start a moral discussion on the treatment of human beings.

@SNORKYMEDIA

3 ай бұрын

Can you give me both of your kidneys... I need them so you have to provide them.. .. ... Same argument for feutus ​@@lebbiiyy

@maxshby8136

3 ай бұрын

@@mbell9995it is not the government’s role to raise and feed your kid

Praise the LORD Jesus for this thought provoking debate! I pray you draw the correct conclusions yourself. There is only One correct conclusion! The law of non-contradiction! Blessings

@aries5534

4 жыл бұрын

Don't praise the deluded Rabbi Jesus who got himself killed for his own sins and stupidity

@samitsme8910

4 жыл бұрын

@Golden Knight and that means something doesn't come from nothing because something always comes from nothing. Got bless you.

@samitsme8910

4 жыл бұрын

Golden Knight your logic is literally that nothing exploded and brought up a universe with perfect order in which nothing has a purpose and a chance of 10^-10000 life could have evolved and fish then decided to walk on land and developed in a kind of rat horse thing and then walked back in the ocean and developed back in a whale... i'll wait

@speaklife9084

4 жыл бұрын

Sam It's Me periodt!!! I’ll wait with you

Did Frank even need a microphone? Lol

@jlong9574

4 жыл бұрын

No the microphone needed Frank.

@kaufmanat1

4 жыл бұрын

@@jlong9574 I don't get it...

@joeykordahi9927

4 жыл бұрын

You would need one too if your opponent spent his time mocking you on every argument that you pose. You would also be angry too when you are trying to save someone from a disease and he kept mocking you for trying to save him from that disease. Frank Turek is in all honest trying his best to let Hitchens (GOD rest his soul) see the light. I guarantee you if hitchens just said GOD exists then Frank would not even say i told you so. Instead he would give him a hug and tell him i am sorry for all your pain and suffering but i assure you that JESUS will heal every drop of your pain. Frank is not in it to win it... He is not in it to feed his pride or ego... He is here because he is trying to make a difference and save the soul of others. Moreso i am yet to see Hitchens pose any good answer to all of Franks Question. All Hitchens does is use popular terminologies, mockery, and cheap debate tricks to get the audience riled up... If you feel Hitchens stated anything of value then please do share lets discuss. Much love and GOD Bless!

@GregoryMiller

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesoneil1388 He never did explain it. He just talked in circles and completely avoided the question of basis. FRANK: On what BASIS do you claim to know what is moral? HITCH: We don't need God to be moral. FRANK: Fine. I never said you did. But by what authority do you make moral claims? HITCH: How DARE you! FRANK: Ugh.

@incorectulpolitic

4 жыл бұрын

When will the muslims, indians on american continents etc appologize for their torturing/murdering/genocides ?

Morality evolves!!

@evanmarks8012

2 ай бұрын

Or its discovered and learned

CH dodging questions 1:06:11 - Can we do just 2 questions instead? 1:06:39 - Well, we don't know... imagine a suitcase... I'm not the one who has to answer the question 1:11:12 - CH admits that even if the universe goes to heat death, that doesn't mean we weren't created and designed 1:12:09 - CH refuses to answer what his moral standard is (whether it is a chemical standard or a spiritual standard) 1:17:06 - FT asks CH if his thought that the material world is all that exists is in fact a material thought, and if so how do you know it's true? CH responds saying if he were killed he wouldn't continue thinking (while refusing to answer how he knows that thought is true) and forgets that he's creating a paradox with another "material thought" 1:18:33 - FT asks why it is a moral outrage for God to eliminate a society but it is a moral right for CH to terminate a pregnancy. CH goes on to strangely dodge the question by explaining random adaptations and why nature selects the fittest to survive. Ultimately he doesn't explain ever, why it is a moral right for humanity to eliminate children in the womb. There are many more dodged questions in the video as well as CH telling FT multiple times that he would prefer a different question. No excuses for the fools in these comments to lie about the video they just saw.

@LGpi314

5 ай бұрын

It is not Hitchens's fault that theists can't comprehend things.

@gi169

5 ай бұрын

​@@LGpi314 It is your stooopid masters fault that you can't ratiocinate LeoBigotFool. 😅🤣😂

@LGpi314

5 ай бұрын

@@gi169 Bla bla bla sttooppiiid bla bla bla. Typical theist response. 🙈🙉🙊🐵🐒

@FitratAbdulla

5 ай бұрын

Myles: unlike you slave-minded ignoramuses, atheists and humanists aren’t afraid of saying “I don’t know”. Only serfs are afraid to say that and they have to believe what their made-up imaginary gods dictates to them 🤦‍♂️

@FitratAbdulla

5 ай бұрын

Myles timestamping himself into humiliation 😂

In all honesty, despite my great appreciation for Mr. Hitchens, I don't seem to think this was his best debate

@supernaturalarch666

4 жыл бұрын

Greg Logan i think it was due to him feeling he was talking to a brick wall.

@lucasfamily4670

4 жыл бұрын

He didn't seem to care. All of Turek's questions were the same basic moral relativity argument phrased different ways. I was bored just listening to him.

@kayblahrenee

4 жыл бұрын

THE X FILES I felt Hitchens was the brick wall in this debate. He did not debate anything he was asked he just brought up irrelevant what he believed to be hypocritical religious scapegoats.

@Paddy234

4 жыл бұрын

@@supernaturalarch666 Like the dogmatic atheist imprisoned in his own cell to justify the way he lives

@CobruhHits

4 жыл бұрын

Lucas Sams it’s funny because I couldn’t keep my eyes open listening to hitchens. Never answered any of the questions brought forth to him

Frank Tureck had to debate two people there during Q and A. The moderator pushed back at Frank's answers. Ridiculous

@ivoandricic1088

3 жыл бұрын

He didnt. Turek answered a different question. In debate there is common decency of giving the opposition the benefit of the doubt. Turek either misunderstood the question or answered it dishonestly the first time.

I can observe that most serious religious people don’t have a very well formed sense of humor when they’re not winning that’s a broken ego

What we need is some of the Catholic Priests who claim to have witnessed the possessed levitating during exorcisms, to record it and post it for the world to see. Better yet go live and stream it.

@LGpi314

5 ай бұрын

Do you really think it is going to happen? I would add, that let's set up a scientific process during the exorcism, like for NDEs.

@FitratAbdulla

5 ай бұрын

Amazing Randi’s tests would be best 😂

@vincentv.9729

3 ай бұрын

weirdly since everyone has a smartphone to film them, there are no more miracles, apparitions, ghosts and UFOs. I guess they don't like technology?

Kudos to cross examined for posting this. I am an anti theist who comments criticism on religion, but I respect those theists who are willing to engage in a civil debate

@lawrenceeason8007

4 жыл бұрын

@Drew Bond an anti theist is an atheist. It's just that an anti theist is not only an unbeliever but actually against religion.

@lawrenceeason8007

4 жыл бұрын

@Drew Bond there are atheists who live in a simple disbelief. I was that way for several years. Then the more I learned about my disbelief the more I realized how little I had in common with this religion. My rejection grew into dislike. I guess that might be the best way to explain it

@lawrenceeason8007

4 жыл бұрын

@Drew Bond it is good to have a civil conversation between non believers and believers

@mollyskerness7385

4 жыл бұрын

@Lawrence Eason I used to be an atheist and then an anti theist as well.

@lawrenceeason8007

4 жыл бұрын

@@mollyskerness7385 yeah I was a theist for 50 years. Then an atheist and now an anti theist

One of the biggest things which I think should have been addressed here is meaning of the word "faith" in this capacity. I think it's getting massively conflated. For someone who stops at deism, their "faith" is simply the belief the evidence points to intelligent design. For a Christian, their Faith isn't simply that a God exists, it's that "God loves them enough that he sent his son, Jesus Christ, to atone for our evil, selfish nature."

@timmarrier

2 жыл бұрын

Faith by implication is an acknowledged extension of trust having no practical value for Deism since there's nothing interpersonal on the receiving end of such a granting. Theism posits a sentient, personable deity with interests in human and universal affairs, albeit without evidence; hence the requisite of "faith".

@Xyponx

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmarrier Given your statement of "Theism posits a sentient, personable deity with interests in human and universal affairs, albeit without evidence" can we even consider Turek to have faith? He claims that he knows, based on objective scientific evidence, that his personal Christian god exists. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Turek never said the word faith in this debate.

@timmarrier

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xyponx He does but only when talking about atheism or referring to his book. Hitchens points this out actually, 1:54:18 Of course he has faith, it's probably some strategy to appear certain or to give more gravitas to his 'atheism needs faith' drivel, or both. Of course, if it's the former you'd think that someone's supernatural fantasy literally coming true to a certainty would be something worth bringing up, maybe describing, maybe winning a nobel prize for, something.

@nibsvkh

2 жыл бұрын

Blah blah blah

@troywright359

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmarrier try to remain less combativ e and snarky when giving replies

A rebuttal at 49:44 Christianity(Frank Turek’s belief) does NOT claim to be an answer to all these questions, but rather an explanation of why there IS evil and suffering in the world and that there is a way to live. Many many of these questions Christians find through the bible, the “living Word” I believe that we as Christians have the ability not to answer MORE questions than atheists, but to surrender the knowledge of some questions to “only God knows” kind of unfair advantage

@LGpi314

7 ай бұрын

Can you tell me why Christianity relies on its members to be downers? "knowledge of some questions to “only God knows” " What does it mean? Do Christians not care about truth?

@FitratAbdulla

7 ай бұрын

You, as Christians, don’t answer any question because you don’t have any answer that is based on reason, science and common sense. You choose to believe in utter nonsense and are shamelessly proud of it. That’s why you can’t answer any questions.

@abigailedwards3843

7 ай бұрын

​@@FitratAbdulla You mean reason and logic that YOU accept. 🙄

About the molecular basis of morality: vasopressin is a hormone that causes increased fidelity in males to their partners.

@thehumblepotatoreborn9313

4 ай бұрын

When they talk about morality they're asking how or why people perform (or not) moral acts -they're asking how does one even have an objective standard for what counts as "moral" without God.

Turek: “Now I’m not saying atheists are bad people, in fact many of them are great people!” Hitchens: “HOW DARE YOU SAY THE SECULAR AND NONBELIEVERS ARE WICKED!?!?!”

@James-ee1wn

3 жыл бұрын

That's not a quote you walking aneurysm.

@brycesnevadatrapline3712

3 жыл бұрын

@@James-ee1wn Someone didn't watch the whole video lmao

@canutraceme

3 жыл бұрын

Yea, they are great people. But they will go to hell anyway.

@charliecharlie846

3 жыл бұрын

@@canutraceme The fact that you’re happy with that is worrying. Great people condemned to eternal suffering you say? How wonderful! Anyone that punishes great people to the same degree they punish the most wicked of people cannot be just

@canutraceme

3 жыл бұрын

@@charliecharlie846 Hello. I hope you are doing well. It looks like I was unable to convey my message clearly. I am in team atheist.