Hi Mark. I've been using this method for well over 30 years. After I put the doculam on the wing I wash it off with white vinegar, seems to lightly etch the surface to give the poly something to grip to. I cover with silkspan. I stop the doculam at the last rib and cover the wing tips with silkspan to get those really nice tips. I paint all of my planes and haven't had a failure yet. I fly control line, so those planes take somewhat of a beating. Thanks for the video.

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Hi Rick, thanks for the comment and information, its good to hear your experience, thank you very much.

Best of both worlds!.

Thank you ole chap! You have inspired me.

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, excellent, pleased to hear, have a great day

Great work. Very useful tutorial. Thanks

@MarkRobinson555

3 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful, thanks for the comment

Will absolutely try this. Looks really good. Nice work and tutorial 👏

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Excellent, glad you enjoyed it, thank for letting me know 😀

Brilliant video as always Mark. Very interesting and highly enjoyable viewing. 😊

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks very much for the comment 😀

Thank you for explaining this interesting technique. I was always afraid that the covering on the upper surface would be wrinkled, but you explained it in such a way so that I might be able to do it with a minimum of wrinkles!

@MarkRobinson555

7 ай бұрын

Pleased you found the video helpful, appreciate the comment, good luck with your covering 😀

Beautiful and patient work

@MarkRobinson555

3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much, pleased you enjoyed it

This is amazing!! 😃 Thank you for this really helpful and informative video

@MarkRobinson555

5 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful, really appreciate the comment

This technique is Awesome. Im scratch building a Fokker DR1 and an ocean brease. Todays shiny srink coverings just wont do. Thanks for your clear and complete instruction.

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Excellent, really pleased you liked the video 😀 thanks for the comment

Interesting process must think of a suitable project to have a play.

I never saw this method before and it seems to work really well. I might give it a go at some point in the future. There is a nice Astro Viking, sitting in my loft and catching dust. The Original tissue and dope covering has become very brittle in the last 26 Years since i built it. Back then it had a brushed electric motor with a 2:1 planetary gear and it was using an 8 cell NiCad battery. Could do with an upgrade as well 😅

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Sounds a great project, this would be a great covering for it, thanks for the comment

Great video Mark, something I keep meaning to try

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind comment, its a great technique, you should definitely try it, it is very rewarding to do 😀

@cammnut

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkRobinson555 Just ordered a roll of the stuff :) thanks for the motivation

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, excellent, if you have any questions just drop me a message, happy to help if I can

Great video, very informative

@MarkRobinson555

9 ай бұрын

Thanks very much, pleased it helped 😀

Neat process. I will give it a go one day!

@MarkRobinson555

9 ай бұрын

Excellent, pleased you enjoyed it 😀

Hi Mark fantastic video my mate and i are into old timers and two of them are tissue covered, because we hand launch punching holes in the tissue is common, we are currently building two 73 inch kerswaps all these materials are available in australia just with different brand names will be giving this a go thankyou for sharing this info and happy landings

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for the comment, really pleased you found the video helpful 😀

That was absolutely brilliant Mark. This is definitely the answer to litespan. My favourite covering has always been tissue, and I will definitely be giving this a go. Take care. Terry

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Hi Terry, thanks for the comment, really pleased you like the technique, its a really nice way to cover vintage style with strength, I really enjoy it - have a great day 😀

@terryblackman6217

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkRobinson555 as a PS. Where did you get the Doculam ? I will buy some today. Today's video has really got me fired up.

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

His is what I purchased, same seller and product www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183793543303?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=FDdqUo8qRCC&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=fsKLYgcjQ86&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear you are excited about the technique, any issues with the link let me know, and of course any questions about the process please ask, happy to help

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Oh, and you can get the Doculam in wider rolls if you have a bigger model 😀

Thanks!

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, very kind and appreciated

That's a great demo Mark, I've used clingfilm in the past ... same result but a lot more fiddly, you have to stick it on with pva as well. I love this material, I was interested to see you varnish the tissue while it's still wet but then being a waterbased product it's not a problem. Now I'm wondering if I should tissue by 90in Mercury 👍

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Hi Cliff, thanks for the comment, its really appreciated, pleased you like the video/ technique, it is a joy to do, so easy to get good results and very strong, would be good for a larger model, being just as strong as traditional covering film.

@RichardTapp1

Жыл бұрын

Cliff, you can get different weights of Doculam, so you could get a heavier film if you thought what Mark used may be too light for your 90" model. But also, you could use heavy weight tissue instead of the light Esaki tissue. If there is a local business that laminates documents, you can ask them for an "end" of a roll, so you don't necessarily have to get 150m of film. But you do have to wait for them to get to that point - and remember you. Equally, for my first Doculam job, I just asked the local business for 2m off their roll - it was a small model. 😀 Obviously I paid WAY more per metre than for a full roll, but even so it was still much cheaper than commercial covering film and I didn't have a big investment in what was perhaps not the weight I wanted "long term".

@CliffHarveyRCPlanes

Жыл бұрын

@@RichardTapp1 Hi Richard, thanks for your comment, I have looked into heavyweight tissue and I see that thicker doculam is available. In fact there's a shop within 5 miles of me that sells it, and compared to iron on, film it's pretty cheap. Initially I've only seen white heavyweight tissue available which means I will probably have to paint the model which will add weight of course.

Perfect for a keil Kraft gypsy I'm just finishing - I have a tin of Polycrylic, I guess that will work just as well?

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Yes, would be great on the Gypsy, I would suggest you test the Polycrylic first, I am not familiar with this product so can't advise, sorry

Hi Mark, wonderful technique! How do you handle the tensions that could twist open structures like these?!

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment, it's appreciated, pleased you like the technique. Neither the laminating film or the polyurethane cause a huge amount of shrinkage, certainly not like dope or covering film, so distortion is not a big issue. However as the laminating film does not shrink a huge amount it does mean you have to put it on relatively wrinkle free if you can.

A very fine video Mark as always. Can water based varnish resist glow fuel with 10-15% nitro in it? I plan to build a Junior 60, my third, and to cover it with doculam and tissue. It will be powered by an Enya 15 R/C which I was given so I plan to keep things light.

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

The polyurethane I use is certainly good for 12% nitro glow fuel, diesel and petrol, thank you for the comment 😀 pleased you liked the video

Good afternoon, the videos are very illustrative but I have a question, once adhered to the balsa wood it can come off. Thank you. Desde España.

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Pleased you found the videos useful, the covering will be quite secure on the plane, but can be easily stripped off if you want to recover it. 😀

Mark you build a lot of wonderful models….where do you store them all?!?

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind compliment, now storage, that is definitely an ongoing issue, I do have some fairly efficient racking, but always having to reorganise! Will have to do a storage video sometime.

Great Video Mark. I’m guessing you must apply the varnish before the tissue dries from the water spray? I didn’t and my tissue keeps lifting off the doculam structure. Also how long do you wait between each varnish quote.

@MarkRobinson555

2 ай бұрын

Yes you do, just blot the tissue to remove the excess water and then varnish. I usually do the second coat when I have finished the whole structure so its more uniform looking. If adding trim I would wait about 4 hrs. Pleased you found the video helpful 😀

Mantap sir

@MarkRobinson555

6 ай бұрын

Thank you very much

Hi Mark, thank you for these very detailed and instructing videos. I just discovered this covering technique and I am willing to test it on one model. The tissue finish is really interesting combined with the strength of the doculam film underneath. I was wondering about the global strength of this technique compared to a oratex covering method. Do you feel this gives more resistance to the balsa structure or would it be similar ? Thanks again for your videos !

@MarkRobinson555

6 ай бұрын

You're very welcome, pleased you enjoyed the video. Oratex is certainly a stronger covering, but for smaller vintage models I think this technique is more fitting

@Gast95

6 ай бұрын

Thanks @@MarkRobinson555 !

Hi Mark Will other types of laminating film work, or does it have to be doculam which i can't get in N Z . I can get a 36 inch 25 micron 500 meter film for $ 100. if that works it would be very cheap. thanks john.

@MarkRobinson555

7 ай бұрын

Hi John, yes any type of laminating film should work fine, I only ever use 38 micron Hope it goes well 😀

How puncture resistant and durable in general every day use is it as compared with ordinary iron on film or lighter variants such as Oralite?

@MarkRobinson555

9 ай бұрын

Its very similar to normal heat shrink film, obviously different films vary, and I dint know about Oralite, but certainly looks a lot nicer than film when on a vintage model

Beautiful job Mark! Is this covering method glow fuel proof? Grettings from Argentina

@MarkRobinson555

6 ай бұрын

Thanks very much, pleased you like it. If you are using glow it would be wise to do a final coat in something different to the polyurathane I use, but if you are using a different product always wise to test it first.

@gustavochiarelli9572

6 ай бұрын

@@MarkRobinson555 thanks. I Will test that. Best regards!

Hi Mark, we met at Old Warden and had a chat about this technique. I tried it last night on a tail and found it warped. Is there a trick to minimise this? Ma y thanks, j

@MarkRobinson555

10 ай бұрын

Hi James, I am supprised to hear that it warped, must be quite a delicate structure. If you twist the structure to get it flat, then heat to remove the wrinkles and hence straightening it, it should be fine. Did you use the 38 micron doculam?

One other comment Mark. You quote the total weight of the finished tissue over doculam covering as 120 grammes per square metre. Are you sure that's correct? Solartex, a much heavier covering weighs between 85 and 98gsm depending upon colour.

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Hi, thank you for the comment, I will have to go and check over mu calculations again 😀

Very good, would a 25 micron doculam work? Thanks from Spain.

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I would think so, but I have never tried it. Won't be as strong as the 38, but don't see why not.

@luislopezcasado9435

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkRobinson555 Thank you very kind. I will keep you informed. It is an English translation.

Hola Mark, felicitaciones por el excelente video sobre el uso de esta lamina. Quisiera saber si puedes dar el contacto del proveedor, donde comprar esta doculam de 38/42 micron

@MarkRobinson555

Ай бұрын

Thank you very much for your comment, greatly appreciated, pleased you liked the video. Her is a link to what I use www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183793543303?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=FDdqUo8qRCC&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=fsKLYgcjQ86&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Will you be building the Gladiator on the wall?

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, well spotted, yes I do plan to build it, there are a couple of other (Vintage) things in the pipeline first, so may be a little while, but it is a great set of plans and should be an interesting build

I wonder - don't you need to scuff a little the surface of the doculam for better adhesion of the tissue / varnish ? Say a little bit of scuffing 0000 steel wool ? Yes / No ? Opinion ?

@MarkRobinson555

2 ай бұрын

No not needed, it sticks really well with he polyurathan

Hi Mark, I have used 38mic doculam by itself on a couple of small models and tissue over 38mic on a Junior 60. I am building a Lanzo Record breaker, 96" open ribs no sheeting. Do you think using 75mic doculam and tissue may be better than 38mic on this larger wing?

@MarkRobinson555

2 ай бұрын

I have never used, or seen the 75 micron film, so would not like to comment, If it was me I would use the 38 micron and cover it in silk, would be so much stronger and appropiate for a larger model.

@onclemort8915

2 ай бұрын

@@MarkRobinson555 Thanks Mark. I did try modelling silk over film on the J60 but found I just could not get the silk around sharp corners. Gave up in the end and used tea bag paper which looks like tissue but stronger and goes on very easily. Just finished the wing center section, it's big. Trying to keep the plane as light as possible I think I will try the tea bag paper again over 38mic laminating film.

@MarkRobinson555

2 ай бұрын

Good luck with the covering

Hi Mark, and hello from Florida in the USA. First off great video and just when you thought you have seen it all! I went to the UK website you posted for EBay to see if I could get some particulars and match up the doculam to a similar product state side. I couldn’t find 38 micron just Mil thickness. Is there any way you might have a look at our state side doculam and tell me what you might recommend in thickness also in width per roll. Or should I just get the thinnest film I can buy. Any and help for your cousins across the pond would be greatly appreciated. Once again wonderful video I learned something new. Cheers…….Stan.

@MarkRobinson555

14 күн бұрын

HI Stan, thanks very much for the kind email, greatly appreciated. I am fairly sure that the 38 micron laminating film is 1.5 mil. Just looked on ebay.com and this is what they seem to be selling in the US. Hope that helps. Good luck with the covering.

@1toastandjam1

13 күн бұрын

Hi Mark Thank you for your reply after sending you my question I thought about it some and thought there must be a conversion formula, there is! 38 microns divided by 25.4 =1.49 mile. I guess the manufacturer rounded up to 1.5 so we have an answer. Thank you for your reply I am looking forward to trying this technique soon I’ll let you know how it goes. Best of luck building and flying. Stan.

@MarkRobinson555

13 күн бұрын

@@1toastandjam1 Hi Stan, thanks for the reply, good luck with your covering, looking forward to hearing how it goes.

Hi, where did you get the Doculam from and what brand of polyurethane did you use please. ps is it fuel proof.

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Got the film from ebay, details of the polyurethane is in the video. Its petrol and diesel proof

@golemsnatch5755

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkRobinson555 Is it Glow fuel proof as well?

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't trust it with Glow, there are better products to use I think

@golemsnatch5755

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkRobinson555 Cheers mate.

Good morning Marc, French, my English is by googletranslation :-) Also a model maker, mainly replicas of old gliders... but also some creations that fly well :-) Thank you for this video ! very interesting as a technique ! I'm starting with a few tests, but I bought film that was too thick (75u) thinking that it was going to be more resistant... but it's more difficult to stretch it correctly and make some wrinkles disappear ! the retraction is less strong… I'll see if I can swap with 38u... Some questions : • no need to varnish the balsa before putting on the plastic film ? • for Japanese paper, do you just spray water ? In the end, it seems to hold up well... the paper isn't peeling off? even after the varnish coat ? I was thinking of perhaps deglazing the plastic film with fine sandpaper... but the varnish may "melt" the plastic film a little for good adhesion... I will continue my tests ; thank you for your answers :-)

@MarkRobinson555

3 ай бұрын

Hi thank you for the comment. No, I do not varnish the wood, just sand smooth I spray thw tissue with just water, than when in position apply polyurathane No peeling, it sticks very well Do not need to deglaze, it sticks very well without Good luck with your tests, hope they go well

@sebastianmendoza3026

3 ай бұрын

@MarkRobinson555 Ok, thank you very much for your message ! I will continue your technique ; no reason why it shouldn't work since you succeeded perfectly... and I'm the meticulous and tenacious guy ! so i return to my workshop 🙂

@MarkRobinson555

3 ай бұрын

Hope it goes well

@sebastianmendoza3026

3 ай бұрын

@@MarkRobinson555 thanks ! I finished the empennage; with the first paper I had (12 g, too thin, no hold... like cigarette paper), some creases are there... But with Michael's new paper, it's impeccable ! It's tight, no bubbles or wrinkles, a silky surface... I'm happy ! Thanks again for this technique ! I think 2 coats of varnish will be good for better strength... without adding too much weight 🙂

@MarkRobinson555

3 ай бұрын

@@sebastianmendoza3026 excellent, pleased it's working well, thanks for letting me know

At what temperature do we set the covering iron to apply the doculam ?

@MarkRobinson555

8 ай бұрын

Around 115degC when sticking it down and 140-200degC when shrinking

@charlesbovalis6591

8 ай бұрын

@@MarkRobinson555 I truly loved your video and I will give it a shot on my next free flight vintage model. This is very crafty and I am an excellent craftsman myself so I will enjoy this very much. Thank you for posting this video.

@MarkRobinson555

8 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for the kind comment, greatly appreciated 😀

hy Mark ! could you maybe tell me where to get the doculam

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

His is what I purchased, same seller and product www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183793543303?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=FDdqUo8qRCC&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=fsKLYgcjQ86&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

@pirminkogleck4056

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkRobinson555 thanks ! brilliant modells you make !

@MarkRobinson555

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, thats very kind of you to say so 😀

used to put dope on paper to cover. But still can smell the odor now, they did not tell me to ventilate well...lol

感谢您 也要感谢我的朋友BINGFENG ZHANG 小Q分享给我 我已经给我国的RC朋友分享和制作了十几架飞机模型 包括大型PO-2翼展2.2M双翼教练机CCCP😍😍😍

@zyxie1314

7 ай бұрын

Thank you, and I also want to thank my friend BINGFENG ZHANG for sharing with me. I have already shared and produced more than ten aircraft models, including the large PO-2 wingspan 2.2M biplane trainer CCCP, with my RC friends in China