Quick Note: There is a chuck of black screen just after the reaction. I would go edit it out with the video editor on YT but I can't because it has a copyright dispute going. Nothing's missing. Just skip ahead to 25:51 after the reaction! My bad!

I like how Sylvia got the most character development.

@georgelinford5576

7 ай бұрын

That scene with her and Donna might be my favourite moment this episode

@benjaminwilson2945

7 ай бұрын

@@georgelinford5576 I loved the scene were Donna said "Don't you, mum?"

@Lumibear.

7 ай бұрын

Wasn’t she great? I felt for her.

I think a good thing about David back is that he’s not just playing 10 he’s definitely showing he’s a new doctor with the experiences from the others very much there

Truly the meepiest and beepiest episode of all time

@ClintBandito

7 ай бұрын

The Beepiest of all the Meepiets

I LOVED this episode, with the one exception of the whole "male presenting time lord" "just let it go" part. Like they could have been "actually our subconscious had been thinking about this for 15 years and we just need to..." I mean 12s last words were literally "Doctor i let you go" right???

@7thHourFilms

7 ай бұрын

It should've been less "male presenting" and more "Tennant presenting" since 10 couldn't let go!

Its not lost on me that tea damages the tardis in tennants first episode and saves the day, whereas coffee damages the tardis in tennants first episode and blows it up.

The last time the Doctor pulled out a barrister’s wig was in the Stones of Blood with the Fourth Doctor.

@Lumibear.

7 ай бұрын

I love the idea he always has it in one of his pockets, just in case!

okay tiny nitpick: rose's gender identity isn't what saved the day, it was her being donna's daughter xD Her identity just gave her some unique insight, presumably, that's why they were able to figure out how to "let it go", even though that was definitely a trademark rusty ass-pull. But I agree, it was definitely the crux of the episode. It had to be the central founding concept of this script.

@arthurgoonie4596

7 ай бұрын

If that was the case why would they harp on about men not understanding.

@VonPatzy

7 ай бұрын

I think they did a lot of fantastic stuff regarding weaving the conversation of Rose’s gender into this episode - but they also overly hammed it up in a few places too and sort of missed the mark while also putting chum directly in the water for phobes. I am glad Rose is there and they didn’t totally shit the bed - but it’s a complex conversation when cis writers tell other people’s stories as both texture and plot devices.

Speaking of wokeness and political stuff in Doctor Who: remember that First Doctor storyline called "Planet of Giants" where the focus was on pesticides killing insects that are necessary for the life of several different types of plants, especially farm crops? And that was in 1964 - Doctor Who has always been woke, and that's one of the reasons I love that show. I'm glad you enjoyed this episode; there was a Doctor Who comic released by Marvel in the US in the early 1980s that told the story of "The Star Beast" which I read (and owned) at that point. I didn't want to give away any spoilers to anyone I spoke to about it online. At the time that I'm writing this (12/1/2023), it's one day away from Special 2 "Wild Blue Yonder", which RTD said was like no other Doctor Who episode . I look forward to hearing your opinion of that episode, too, as I enjoyed your reaction to "The Star Beast". Thanka again.

@The_Mongoose

6 ай бұрын

Incorrect. If you mean it took sides in political issues I will grant you that, but in classic who it never ground the story to a halt to beat viewers over the head with a sign saying "THIS IS THE ISSUE, DUMMY!" As a transgender allegory this script is awful.

This is based on a Doctor Who comic book that came out in 1980 called Star Beast

RTD made Queer as Folk, It's a Sin, Years and Years and little Doctor Who episode called Turn Left. I honestly don't know what the anti-woke people expected.

I really enjoyed this episode, but I do worry that doubling down on hating the haters, if pushed too far, can actually end up insulting the Who loving majority, it can be too patronising. BUT that said I loved the more casual ‘definite article THE Meep’ and ‘Oh I do that’ THE Doctor exchange, that was very smart, and Rose was lovely. Onwards to the next one on tonight!

The Star Beast was based on a 1979 Dr. Who marvel comic same story but in place of The Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker) instead of The Fourteenth Doctor (David Tennant) the only part they left out that was in the comic was when The Doctor was put to sleep unconcious on the Wrath Warriors spaceship placing a bomb inside the Doctor so they could track down Beep The Meep. The Meep is a character of old and featured in other media comics, audio this is the first ever the character has appeared on screen in the main show.

( 6:28 ) I think Neil Patrick Harris is *only* in The Giggle. 👍🏻

If you want to watch something non-dw that Russell's made I'd 100% recommend "It's a sin"

the thing i keep saying is it felt too easy that u could just let that power go, because back when it happened to her it felt more like a thing that got hard wired into her brain, remember it didnt activate until davros sparked her with electricity. she even said it did something to her brain synapse again making one think her brain became hard wired as part timelord . i get rtd knew he wrote himself in a corner however at the same time seeing it resolved sooo easily idk if i can ever fully like it but i dont hate it. im just hoping since theres 2 more specials that its not over for that yet.

I always liked the bbc Iplayer user interface. To each their own.

I do wonder if any of these "anti-woke" people watched Torchwood... like HOW are these people Doctor Who fans?? How?

@ennayanne

7 ай бұрын

The answer is that they are very unintelligent and have no media literacy

@DeanStrickson

7 ай бұрын

I wonder if they ever watched Doctor Who period. I doubt it, unless they’re incredibly obtuse. More likely they just like bitching and moaning.

@booradley8895

7 ай бұрын

A person born overseas, a woman and a person of colour who is also gay. Guess doctor who was "woke" from the very start.

@gamegeek812

7 ай бұрын

@@itzbp9949 How is that different?

@ennayanne

7 ай бұрын

@@itzbp9949 Identify politics and ideology? Can you even define what you just said or are you just parroting your favourite wing nut "media reviewers". In any case, thank you for perfectly demonstrating the point I made in my initial reply.

@7thHourFilms will you watch the "Tales of the Tardis" wrap around segments? It has the old companions such as Zoe and Jamie returning on screen.

No.... RTD said you can't have 6'1 David in 5'6 Jodie's costume because it would look ridiculous... They got away with Sacha Dhawan in it because he is only 5'7.

@7thHourFilms

7 ай бұрын

Oh, good point. It would be a tad tight!

Good to know that I'm not the only one who got the subtitles in Chinese at first!

The numbering is for the convenience of the audience - no Doctor has ever committed to a number. After Tenant previously regenerated into himself, Hurt being the regeneration between McGann & Eccleston, and the Timeless Child the numbring is totally meaningless in canon except as a wink and a nod*. Whitaker regenerated into one of "the old favorites" (per Baker in The Day of the Doctor), Clara gave Capaldi back his memories of her in Twice Upon a Time and now the Doctor is returning the favor by restoring Donna's memories. There is some purpose here - we just don't know what it is yet. If you accept Hartnell as "the first Doctor" then (in canon) Snith is the 13th not the 11th).

SO COOL

I think you've really over thought the whole DT being the 14th Doctor, you've just got the accept it. Also, it does not mean that they're admitting that everything after 10 was a mistake, that's just unfair and do you really think it would have been fair on Gatwa to throw him straight in at the deep end leading an anniversary special? And as for the thing about DT appearing on posters like yours twice, that's just petty.

@7thHourFilms

7 ай бұрын

I'm not saying that's what RTD or anyone else at the show thinks but that's the message it gives off. It's perfect fuel for the Jodie haters. But it is what it is now. At least the episode is good!

@ClintBandito

7 ай бұрын

​@@7thHourFilmsexpect the dialogue and attitude within the writing has consistently countered that, making an effort for David to speak fondly of his previous incarnation. Now I do half agree however. I don't feel it remotely says everything else was a mistake at all, I do however think it puts an unfair level of importance on David's incarnations. Like I have felt it pushes other versions down, but unfairly lifts David's doctor above.

@benlawrence97

7 ай бұрын

@@7thHourFilms Just out of interest would you have the same issues if say Matt Smith or Peter Capaldi came back as 14 or is it an issue with Tennant being considered 'the favourite'?

@7thHourFilms

7 ай бұрын

That is a factor. Capaldi would've at least made more sense since he was just before 13 and it could be a continuation of the degeneration from Power of The Doctor. Now, if 13 turned into Christopher Eccelston or Paul McGann, I'd be singing a different tune! It would be hypocritical but those two deserve more time to be The Doctor. (Although I know Chris won't ever come back to the TV show)

@benlawrence97

7 ай бұрын

@@7thHourFilms Well just as long as you dont keep referring to 15 as 14 if we don't get concrete confirmation either way once Gatwa starts! 🙂

I noticed Based on the reactions Disney+ doesn’t have The Whoniverse intro before the episode

Finally!

I Googled "Tuna Madras", because I refused to believe it was a real thing... RESULT: "Doctor Who Has Released an Official Recipe for Its Horrifying Curry"

iPlayer is great and the video quality is better than ITV and Channel 4's catch up. Both in interface and picture quality.

@Lumibear.

7 ай бұрын

Agreed, it almost looks better than on first transmission!

@oldwebshooter

7 ай бұрын

@@Lumibear. The version on iPlayer is 4K HDR, they only transmitted in HD I think.

Yes, the streets being restored after being ripped open was a bit too much imo.

@Lumibear.

7 ай бұрын

Yeh. It would have helped to only show maybe one street and perhaps an empty building getting wrecked? The Big Red Reset Button has been a trope on Who forever, but it has to follow basic physics and earn some fear of serious consequences, or going forward it will undermine all danger, yes.

Will you do a live stream after the specials?

@7thHourFilms

7 ай бұрын

Maybe after the Christmas Special

@benjaminwilson2945

7 ай бұрын

@@7thHourFilms Nice

You being gobsmacked that you have been watching doctor who forever - since 2017! makes some of us feel as old as the doctor. In fact, I had to double check your math when you said Jodi has been in the roll so many years. Feels like they just announced her last Tuesday. Some of us lived through the vast nothingness before “new who” some of us have had very long scarves for such a very long time. Fun to trip on your channel though - plenty of room in the TARDIS for sure.

I love that the final line of the episode is essentially RTD telling the viewers what to expect from his new run on the show. It's also such a gorgeously classic cliffhanger line.

It always amuses me when the anti woke brigade get so worked up. As you quite rightly said - the show has always been political. The Doctor is essentially a social justice warrior. He (or she) goes in, calls out injustice and puts right what is wrong. That's the character. I love the fact that RTD is kinda trolling the anti woke mob and makes the non binary into a plot point. What I also really enjoyed was watching RTD on the offical podcast where he discusses the dead naming scene. He said: "Rose at one point is dead named in the street by some kids calling her by her dead name which is Jason... The interesting thing about Jason is that actually it means healer or doctor which means that Donna actually named her child after the Doctot without realising it subconsciously. Which is a nice fact to get in there. To get that across and to get the sort of prejudice being shown towards Rose by those bullies and thugs in the street, we actually have to have a scene of dead naming... I personally think we should stare into difficult stuff like this..." Yeah. I agree. And finally I don't really mind Tennant returning to be honest as it fits in with what The Curator said about "revisiting a few of the old faces, but just the favourites". Ultimately, it's Doctor Who. It's a quirky sci fi show. It should be fun. And this was. Enjoyed the reaction - thanks!

There’s a black screen gap between the reaction and the discussion.

@7thHourFilms

7 ай бұрын

So there is! Nothing a YT Edit won't fix!

@icantthinkofagoodusername4575

7 ай бұрын

That was The Silence hacking the video.

Yeah, I also enjoyed how unapologetic this was. I also agree very much that Ncuti Gatwa on the horizon was probably necessary if they were going to bring back Tennant. On the subject of Shirley's chair - I wonder if the very 'ordinary' appearance of the chair is deliberate - I think RTD would like a) the of idea of kids being able to see something like their own wheelchair, potentially, and be gifted the idea that it might have weapons in it, and b) the fact it would make it far easier for fans who use wheelchairs to cosplay as the character down the line. :)

So .. do you just hate cute things?

@7thHourFilms

7 ай бұрын

I wouldn't be a weeb and a dog owner if I did. I think it's just that DW can't do cute stuff.

Flying wheelchairs? In this economy? No! UNIT has more important things to spend money on, Like guns that do nothing!

In the show’s lore, the numbering is ruined anyways. Who cares if he’s the 14th. He’s technically the 15th?? Or the 16th? Idek anymore lol

@ennayanne

7 ай бұрын

it literally doesn't matter does it, doctor who fans man 😂

@takebackconstantinople82

7 ай бұрын

Technically he's the 16th

@xxXepicdeath53Xxx

7 ай бұрын

@@ennayanne exactly ! Only the fans call them these numbers and they’re really arbitrary

The ‘woke’ aspects were very apparent and I’d say mostly handled well only gripe I have is the “male presenting time lord” line was quite strange and just being able to let go was a bit clunky and felt too easy a resolution for something built up from 15 years ago imo

@carrot708

7 ай бұрын

I'd call it preachy if I had any idea what they were even trying to say. Donna was completely in character, I just don't know wtf she was talking about. And the whole ending was typical RTD 'magic plot resolution, not just 'let it go'. Why did turning off the engine make the cracks in the earth heal?

@Lumibear.

7 ай бұрын

The way that ‘woke’ tends to be used online by the haters is usually as a shorthand for ‘they’ve obviously spent so much time working on getting the inclusive & progressive messages into every scene that they’ve forgotten to also write a decent story that works well for all and sticks to the past canon’. The main issue with doing that is you’re then narrowing the appeal to a smaller audience, which is of course not good for the ratings. I’d say most of this episode walked that line just fine, I was certainly entertained throughout, but yes I agree that the point was then laboured a tad too much, it started to get a bit patronising and insulting to The Doctor, who has literally just been a woman, which felt a tad ‘off message’ to me. I do hope RTD finds his balance, as going too far only adds fuel to the flames of division that the haters just LOVE to fan.

Yeah i'm not fond of the fact that we wasted another regeneration on Tennant's face. You are totally right, it's not fair towards others. It was nice to see Donna again, but it felt like you really could skip not RTD's seasons and watch it right after s4 finale. I also don't think it was a good episode to introduce to newcomers? And since it's the only episode of DW on D+ I thought it's gonna be something that could attract the new audience.

@ennayanne

7 ай бұрын

how is it a "wasted" regeneration? if we didn't have this we probably wouldn't have anything until ncutis Christmas special. this is just three extra episodes of doctor who

I always thought they both said binary when I first watched, didn't notice the "non" Is it RTD or that Disney help fund it

I have to confess that Tennant played my least favourite Doctor, and I’m not a fan of the RTD era, so this special was always going to be a tough sell, but I enjoyed seeing Sylvia and Donna again, and I’m glad that RTD took the advice of Moffat in Hell Bent and reversed Donna’s memory wipe. Also Miriam Margolyes is iconic as always, and I’m so glad that RTD went as progressive as possible and stuck the middle finger up to all the right people.

@ennayanne

7 ай бұрын

definitely agree with that last part

I'm going to make a prediction that when someone with "shooty" in their name plays The Doctor, he will fire a gun.

@Tyrconnell

7 ай бұрын

With a name also including 'gat', the guy is positively tooled up.

@Lumibear.

7 ай бұрын

Hahahaha! I hadn’t thought of that! Now you come to mention it, it does sound a bit like a jokey James Bond name, like someone off an Austin Powers movie.

It bothers me that the Doctor called the Tardis a clever thing. The Tardis has been a clever girl ever since Idris. She is sexy and she is a woman and she is the Tardis. Not simply a thing.

@IDidntSetAHandle

7 ай бұрын

"What a sentimental old thing this TARDIS is"

@ennayanne

7 ай бұрын

doctor who fans love to get riled up over absolutely nothing huh

@TimeLady128

7 ай бұрын

@@ennayanne They often do, yes. For me, it is only this little thing. The Idris episode is one of my favourites of all time and so I pay attention to that stuff. But then again every franchise has people that take issue with one thing or another. They scrapped this line, they got the hair color wrong, the eye color, they merged two characters, they swapped gender or race or both, you name it and it has probably been done. In every franchise you have those that take issue and those that call them out for one reason or another. I think this episode had some unnecessary things and a few missed opportunities. It would have been a nice callback with the clever girl. It does not matter in the long run, it just took away a little from this moment for me.

@ennayanne

7 ай бұрын

@@TimeLady128 Maybe the TARDIS isn't gendered anymore because it's a being that exists across multiple dimensions and it's probably above our petty notions of gender

@TheZodiacz

7 ай бұрын

what is a woman?? and what are the TARDIS' pronouns. If only people would stop trying to find a cure for cancer and a key to world peace and concentrate on the important questions please!

The ending is deus ex machina RTD at his worst, but the rest of the episode is nice enough. Very safe, so hoping the next two have some more ambition. In terms of the woke argument, Chibnall's era was never woke or PC; they barely even mentioned that she was a woman. It just had terrible writing and paper-thin characters, so not sure why people ever complained it was woke. I think Rose in this episode was a nice inclusion, but some of the dialogue around her was incredibly clunky. Also, the idea that 13s clothes regenerated so Tennant wouldn't be in woman's clothes is such crap. Her clothes were incredibly gender neutral, and you're not gonna show a man in woman's clothes but the next episode will focus on a non-binary girl? What? Just RTD talking rubbish because they wanted Tennant to appear in his cool outfit and have that on magazines and posters. Also what he has said about Davros in a wheelchair is absolute nonsense and doesn't seem to be going well with any part in the fandom. I'm a huge RTD fan, but some of these things he's saying are just bizarre.

One thing i was confused by was why the captain of UNIT didn't have a helmet on. Just a towel or something. That seems safe...in a battle

@IDidntSetAHandle

7 ай бұрын

Can't tell if trolling... that is a turban, my friend, it's a piece of religious clothing worn by many millions. The 'towel' comment might get you in trouble so best read up on it if genuine.

Well these episodes won't say 14 or 15 because the doctor himself doesn't really count it that way. Now Russell's response to people not liking calling David 14 and Ncuti 15 has simply and consistently been "tough". I'm personally not a fan of it myself, I'd much rather this doctor was called something unique like the "War" or "Fugitive" doctors. However I'm just going with it, at the end of the day it's trivial and when the Doctor after it 16, 17 and so on I'll just confuse myself going against the numbering.

I also don't approve of Tennant being back, for the same reasons as you. It's RTD trying desperately to appeal to the people who stopped watching when Tennant left. The Tumblr fangirls. On the whole 14/15 thing, we have leaks about the upcoming episodes, and oh boy do I not like the sound of it. I did enjoy this episode. Very overly preachy, but frankly the episode was enjoyable enough to overshadow it. In fairness about the VPN iPlayer thing, it's funded by the UK TV license.

@ennayanne

7 ай бұрын

the people who stopped watching when Tennant left was the entire mainstream audience. Of course he wants them back, he's literally here to make the show huge again

@sallyatticum

7 ай бұрын

Heaven forbid a tv franchise should try to increase its viewership. lol

After so many months of hype, buildup and anticipation, this episode was very… ok! David and Catherine were seamless in returning to their roles, obviously, same with Jacqueline King as Sylvia and even Shaun's actor, for the little he was given. UNIT wheelchair lady was cool, albeit kinda OP Imao. I also like the new UNIT uniforms but I do miss the berets. The new TARDIS is also breathtaking, I just love it. But the writing for the general story was just very weak, and the sonic screwdriver has become insanely OP, you cannot just magic forcefields to get out of a fight. The meep was actually a neat twist villain but the bit wore off after the first scene and it quickly grew tiresome. The directing/action was... fine, but nothing to write home about. The resolution for the metacrisis was insanely contrived, and every time Rose opened her mouth I wanted to die of unbearable cringe. Also, why was Sylvia the only person reacting normally to the prospect of Donna’s death? The Doctor just did not seem to care that he could be causing Donna to remember despite stressing the possibility earlier so what gives? Very strange decisions all around. It was decent and I liked it well enough overall but for the first 60th special, it could have been a helluva lot better and if RTD’s name wasn’t on it, I don’t think most people would be able tell it wasn’t a Chibnall era episode.

@matheusflores619

7 ай бұрын

I disagree, it's way better than anything Chibnall ever did

@amelialikesfrogs5778

7 ай бұрын

I'm getting a deja Vu feeling. I think it's a time slip

@ennayanne

7 ай бұрын

he very much can magic up forcefields. didn't you watch it?

@itsbreadmydude

7 ай бұрын

“You can’t just magic up a force field” ??? Since when did doctor who become about what you can and can’t do? Jeez😂😂

Bored for most of the episode. For a special it wasn't very special. Next two I would hope will be better.

The more and more i see this episode the more i begin to realise how dull it is. The plot is paper thin and the dialogue is downright awful at times. The second episode is far better. Its a shame that its this story that is going to be an introduction to a bunch of new fans.