Probably this is the most informative video of youtube that only last 3 minutes, i feel strange i learned something and didnt loose any minute of my life, i dont know what to do the extra 7 minutes i have left xD

@TheMinuteMasters

5 жыл бұрын

Pereke69 Thanks man! 🤙 I know right! Dudes have dyno videos out there and you have to watch 30 minutes before you get the actual dyno read out. Talk about lose the whole day. Lol

@JD-ml7cg

4 жыл бұрын

Use the 7 min to subscribe

@starcloakstarside9719

3 жыл бұрын

Amused. Yah, it’s so they can monetize that shit.

@giovanny30516

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

14 people as of 7 August 2019 have these installed in their vehicles and pushed thumbs down. They could have just changed the blinker fluid in their cars and got that extra 1 horsepower.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Indrid Cold Hahahaha! 🤣🤣🤣 I know right!

@daviddawkins9669

3 жыл бұрын

every one knows that to get real performance you must grease your muffler bearings.

I love these get to the point videos good job man! Thanks for the info

@TheMinuteMasters

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!!🤙 That’s the idea! It just seems so unnecessary to have 20-30 minutes videos demonstrating what is a 3-5 minute concept. Plus I want to give you guys more time to actually go and work on this stuff.

So I was just reading from ford forums about using the BBK throttle bodies and spacers. Both 56mm or 61mm both will create a loud whistle due to manifold flange opening being slightly smaller than the throttle body. So solutions were grind your manifold to match OR get a throttle body space and grind that one. Also some throttle bodies have that water heater niple coming out toward egr if you use a spacer it gives you room.

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

I guess that’s one application where the throttlebody spacer will serve well as a transition. Although I don’t know much about it.

The best videos are the ones that SHOW you the proof on the screen. Thanks.

Thats actually pretty decent numbers for a stock 5.0 at the wheels with an auto. I was really thinking the drive train loss was going to be alot more than that. Keep up the good work!

@TheMinuteMasters

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's not bad! My truck moves when I want it too! lol Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!👍

Thank you. I have same truck. I am greatly appreciate you taking your precious time making and editing tour videos. HUGE HELP!!!

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Rodrigo! 🤙 I appreciate it! And thank you for taking the time to watch them!

With hp and tq, unless it’s at least a 10% gain you’ve wasted your money and time, but this gentleman went the extra mile to show people what a waste this stuff is so I applaud you sir and I hope you can get your money back

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Lima Bravo You are exactly right! You can’t believe how many people insist the test is invalid because I didn’t try and tune an OBD1 truck to work with the TBS. Unfortunately, I bought the spacer and had it more than a month. Amazon doesn’t take returns longer than a month. So I lost $150. My reward was sharing the results with you guys.🤙 Thanks for watching!

I'm so glad to hear you say this bc the idea of a throttle body spacer simple didn't make any sense to me & my gut feeling told me to question it.

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

My gut told me the same thing and that’s why I wanted to test one.

Lovin these Dyno Tests👍 keep it up

@TheMinuteMasters

5 жыл бұрын

Ronnie Buhler Thanks man! 🤙 I sure will!

Another informative video. Keep up the good work!

I have one on my 96 Bronco 351w. It has an ignition and exhaust upgrade as well. All I noticed was a small increase in throttle response at the low end. It was pretty good getting off a light anyway, but after the spacer it was only slightly better. Not worth any big bucks for sure.

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

You are exactly right. Not worth it. I attribute the throttle response to the fact that the throttle cable itself is tighter and your throttle plates are actually slightly open all the time.

@71sc502

Жыл бұрын

What if I can get one for $20

Good work on video. Most guys make 15 minutes videos which I usually fast forward to see result. This video get to the point and shows results. Thanks!

@TheMinuteMasters

3 ай бұрын

Thanks man!🤙

Thank you for not making me waste money on the throttle or the bbk throttle body. To late for the k&n lol. Been rebuilding my old f150 and looking around for ideas on the motor.

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

No problem man!🤙 I’m just trying to help everyone out.

Glad I watched this before I bought a spacer, thanks my man!!

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

No problem man!🤙 I’m always happy to save people money.

Thanks for the experiment. You saved a lot of money for a lot of people

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

babak1969van Thanks man! 🤙 That was the idea! Glad you enjoyed it!

This is not a good method of testing. You need to run three times on the dyno every time you modify the engine. After that, average the three runs from each change and compare averages.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Nick Estes The dyno tech said the three pull method isn’t necessary. If the dyno is calibrated and up to spec then the read out should be consistent. He also said the only variation you would see would be 1-2 hp which isn’t much to worry about.

@dontjudgeme2736

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters doesn't matter heat generated from the engine will affect the horsepower

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

dontjudgeme As in the engine is warmed up or that the engine bay is hot?

@steezegod2768

4 жыл бұрын

Both, I thought this too.

@joshuamaas5380

4 жыл бұрын

I've seen people make 3 dyno pulls without doing a thing and it's a difference of more than 5hp easy

Really good vid, I came here on a search on 3rd gen Tacoma throttle body extensions, very informative. Surprised you didn't have more likes here. "liked" and "subscribed." thanks!!!

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Andrew King Jr. I guess there are people who didn’t appreciate the facts of this test. Oh well. Thanks man!🤙 I appreciate it! Thanks for watching!

Very informative. Straight to the point. Can you make a video on increasing the throttle body size like fixing a Tundra Throttle body on a 4runner?

@TheMinuteMasters

10 ай бұрын

Thanks man!🤙 Unfortunately, I don’t have access to a tundra or forerunner.

Thank you for doing that partner! I will like, and subscribe to help you out since you were kind enough to test this for us! Saved me $100 and my time installing something that doesnt do jack sh^t!

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

No problem man!🤙 I’m glad I could help you out. No one needs to waist their hard earned money on a useless chunk of metal.

I put one into my 1997 Honda CIVIC few years ago and it made a huge difference on my low end. I had much better response on low RPM and I ran 50km more each tank. 4 lbs/ft may not be a thing on your F150 but it makes a difference on small engines and I believe more air into the engine increase the fuel efficiency so that I ran more. Just some experience sharing

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

Mods vary from vehicle to vehicle. I think it would be worth testing it on the dyno for your civic.

TB spacers work (subjectively) on carbs only. TBI, no. MPI , definitely no. 1hp can literally come from ambient air differences

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Go Clunker I totally agree man! Thanks for watching!🤙

@caigarage

3 жыл бұрын

It increases plenum size on a carb. Injected motors already have a massive plenum

Well, bought one for my camaro just yesterday. $40 too, from volant, so I'll be happy to do a app test which I found is pretty accurate. Have one on my raptor, and I did see the small gain of 1hp or so too. Not much, but for $40 I didn't complain. Interested to see how it works on my camaro though. Its tuned though, so hoping that I see more than 1hp gain. In the end though, I agree, not worth it as a power adder.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Justin A. Yeah let me know what your test yields. I’m curious. At $40 that’s not too bad for 1 hp but $150 for 1 hp isn’t. Lol

Quick and informative, good vid. This isnt even my vehicle and i enjoyed the vid

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Alec Kigera Thanks man!🤙 I appreciate it!

Great video! I've been debating on getting a throttle body spacer for my Chevy 350 with TBI. Thanks for helping me save some money. I'll add it to upgrade my exhaust 🤠

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Yeah I think most of us have considered getting a throttle body at some point. Definitely put that money toward another upgrade. A good exhaust is always a good idea!🤙

@camposvazquez

Жыл бұрын

Spacers do benefit TBI.. with SFI and MPFI it's negligible or non existent

An engine is an air pump. To get gains it has to pump more air with less effort. IMHO a better exhaust (scavenging system) is always the first mod. 2nd mod allows more air and fuel into cylinders (cam) this may or may not get choked by carb and intake which would be 3rd mod only if necessary (not always). Check cfm at max rpm you will run to determine that !

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

Well said and 100% true! I’m told the heads and the exhaust headers on this particular engine are fairly restrictive. I’d love to swap them out with better flowing heads and headers in the future.

@flatheadfletch

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters Don’t waist money on headers. Just get two piece exhaust manifold. The ford engineers knew what they were doing. Just government emissions are the biggest choke !

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

@@flatheadfletch Good to know! I’ll keep that in mind for my HP mods down the road.

Your engine temperature also went up which would affect results. Not saying it would help necessarily. But it would be more accurate of a comparison. Not to mention theoretically you a increasing the amount of air thus increasing back pressure in the exhaust. Which could explain the loss of torque. I would be interested to see what it would do with an larger exhaust

@TheMinuteMasters

5 жыл бұрын

Iain Kelly There is definitely a lot you can play around with to see if anything more can be gained from the spacer. However, the product as is, requires no tuning to be installed. At least that is how the manufacturer presents it. What I’m saying is, as a drop in mod. It left a lot to be desired, especially at $150 price point.

@iainkelly8047

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters true

@danielcanaday256

4 жыл бұрын

I had the spacer, kn filter and dual exhaust on my truck. definitely made it more fun to drive. it could of just been All the cool sounds and throttle response. lol

@unkertech

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters Yeah, $150 for a piece of shaped aluminum? No thanks.

These spacers that create rotational air turbulence truly work at the low end of the torque range such as coming from a dead stop and getting through the 1st gear which is where gas consumption is greatest. From idle to probably 1500 RPM, the cork screw on the Airaid is rotating the air which as the intake air velocity increases as RPM increases the air flow over the cork screw is straightened out behaving no differently than had you never installed the device. On my 8.1L 2500 Avalanche The Airaid added a 1.1 mile per gallon more fuel average going from 9.4 mpg to 10.5 miles per gallon. That's a huge performance increase for a truck set up for low end torque and pulling power. Furthermore, you got a marginal 1 HP increase at the top end of RPM which tells you there is more going on potentially at other RPM and gears before peak HP and torque occurs. These devices are meant for bolt on HP improvement on factory equipment. When you start trying to add these to aftermarket manifolds or with blowers and air chargers, there will be no gains. Also, keep in mind every time you make a variation in any environmental factor such as air temperature or air flow, fuel injection intakes including the early TBI intakes, the computer from the MAP sensor, and the MAF, and the EGR sensors etc. is making constant adjustments which makes it tough to isolate where there are improvements. My fuel consumption is a definite performance increase. However, the fuel savings will never pay off the $135 cost I spent on the Airaid.

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

I totally get the science behind the design. But you further prove my point in the video that $150 isn’t worth the small gains. 3 mpg or 10 hp gains would have been worth it.

@spacepope87

2 жыл бұрын

Going from 9.4 to 10.5 mpg ads up really quick.

@mariomoreno6312

2 жыл бұрын

@@spacepope87 so is it worth it when combing with a SB cold air intake and a flow master catback systems ? It's what's on my truck right now thinking about the air spacer or do I put my money on a pair of shorty headers ?

@spacepope87

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariomoreno6312 You can find spacers for under $50 everywhere and they're easy and quick to install. I don't know why people keep spending $150 for them.

And yes I agree with the others, well done video.. quick and to the point.. I hate when stuff like this is dragged out 10 minutes

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

FloridaHardwood Thanks man! 🤙 I always hated long videos for what is otherwise a very short concept.

@aymanibrahim4801

3 жыл бұрын

That’s fine for analytic and money reasons. It’s annoying I agree.

This is the video we were looking for.

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!🤙

Thank you for your time.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Ashton No problem man!🤙 Thanks for watching!

Thank You for the honest and straight forward approach !

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Macgyver1986 Thanks man! 🤙 You are welcome!

On a dry intake they're worthless. However on a wet intake i.e. carburetor, gm and the old dodge tbi styles they can help and they can also hurt. I put two one inch tbi spacers on my 94 350 chevy and it helped out. Not a monster but the idle is smoother and has more throttle response, my cousin did it on his 95 chevy and it runs worse than before. Depends on what your engine likes. Just my expierance

I’ve installed these on multiple vehicles I ordered one for my marquis, they have all done me wonders but my main purpose of getting it is to push out my intake an inch and increase the intake air velocity, not really worried about horsepower gains or torque gains. If I wanted all that I’d get a tune

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah if you need a spacer for any other reason other than horsepower and torque, they are fine. Otherwise, get some decent speed parts and a proper time.

@jayschmidt6070

2 жыл бұрын

Then why do it. Push your intake? You not making any sense at all .

@jayschmidt6070

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters what other reasons are thear do you know? Even have a clue wtf your talking about?

@thatslow4.6

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayschmidt6070 Pushing the intake hose out farther, These throttle body spacers don't serve any other purpose.. They do however, Increase throttle response. But I've recently done a dyno tune since I'm now Cammed and headers etc.. And the TBI spacer actually hurt performance so I've since took it off.

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayschmidt6070 Exactly my point. There really are no good reasons to install one. Extending the TB out an inch does absolutely nothing for performance. A person could do it for cosmetic purposes or they straight up want to install a TBS.

Thank you sir sir. You made me laugh calling these products out

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

No problem man!🤙 I’m glad you enjoyed it! I have to keep these manufacturers honest!

Man thank you for the info done right by dyno.. 1 horsepower n few more in torque isn't worth it so thanks for sharing..

@TheMinuteMasters

5 жыл бұрын

Lonzy R/T No problem man! 🤙 Too many “butt dyno” testers out there saying these things work.

Thank you brother. Much obliged

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

No problem man! 🤙

Thanks buddy great review

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

No problem man!🤙 Thanks for watching!

Ha, well thank you. I had to wonder what an inch of space would realistically do, didn't seem like much, and your numbers prove it.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Bengt Creations You’re welcome man! 🤙 Yeah I was skeptical because scientifically it doesn’t make that much sense.

@atmosrepair

3 жыл бұрын

Yea and we should give some credit to the engineers designing the engine for optimization. If it would be that simple as to increase throttle body space to add HP, well they would have built it that way in first place.

You are a scholar and a gentleman thank you.

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bryan!🤙

Now, for those who believe that a car manufacturer does not use all possible means to improve engine efficiency by inexpensive modifications, I am sorry that you wasted your money buying Snake Oil. For you, there are also magnets that alter fuel to burn better, just ziptie them to your fuel lines. I am glad that finally someone made a real dyno test, and not just road test and claim that the car gets more responsive. It is just because your wallets are so much lighter...

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

You are definitely right! If it were this easy, they would have added TBS to every engine. I’m glad you appreciate the dyno test. 🤙 Believe it or not, there are people who still try to claim TBS work. Lol I guess they prefer lighter wallets. Thanks for watching!

Thank you! Solid content

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

FatMatt's Garage Thanks man!🤙 I appreciate it!

Love the vids , definitely with the f150 351, can you try a different throttle body ? Maby a cheap one vs a nice one I'd like to see,

@TheMinuteMasters

5 жыл бұрын

Michael Bicking Thanks man! Like an Oem vs a larger 61mm BBK?

I’m curious if it varies midrange as opposed to top end. Does it make any available power in the power range people actually drive in. I would be curious of the live data more than the top numbers considering top numbers typically come in at the top of the rpm range.

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

According to the dyno chart read out, the only power being made was at the top end.

Thanks for making that video

@TheMinuteMasters

8 ай бұрын

No problem man!🤙

Wait wait hold on This guy got directly to the point not wasting everyones time?????? But algorithms are pushing story tellers If you seen this video like If you seen this video subscribe If you seen this video share If you pressed dislike you dont own a car Thanks steve well done

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Nick Dodenc Thanks man! 🤙 I appreciate it! We both have the same pep peeve. I hated watching long videos about these that consisted of nothing but opinions and “butt dyno” feels.

Were the dyno numbers with the Poweraid installed compared to stock dyno numbers, or to Ford claimed HP and torque numbers for a brand new truck? Maybe I missed where you dyno'd the truck before installing the TBS in order to set a good baseline for comparison. BTW. I have a Poweraid TBS AND K&N air filter in my 1990 Bronco. Was there when I bought it so I just left it alone. If it improved mpg at all to the current 14mpg then I'd hate to know what the Bronco got prior. :)

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

Early in the video, I dynoed the truck stock and then I installed the TBS. Really? I never tested those together. You can always take them off and see what different there is.

@davidmorgan5725

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters Thanks, I must've missed that. As for my Bronco, probably not going to notice much of a difference unless I went back with stock suspension and tires. Keep puttin out the videos!

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidmorgan5725 This is true. Suspension and tires are cool but they drink gas! Lol I sure will David!🤙

Right on, man. Interesting from aftermarket cold (hot) air intakes you and I talked about to throttle body spacers, just a no go for HP and torque. So far the one mod that I've done to my '96 Explorer OHV is the 2.25" cat back with Flowmaster Dynaflow 40 from stock 2". She's no longer a slug! Better throttle response and get up and go! There is a resonator still which is nice as I didn't want it too loud. Do you think that if I eventually changed the cat back size to 2.5", that would be overkill? I am kind of thinking it is.

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, this is another expensive junk horsepower mod. A good sized free flowing exhaust is always a good upgrade. As far as going from 2.25” to 2.5”, I was always told 2.5” is max for a stop 5.0L engine. Granted there probably are guys out there with 3” exhausts on their 5.0s. But 2.5” is plenty. 2.25 is probably a safe bet for a 4.0.

@allmycarsisbroke

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters Exactly. There is such a thing as too big. The exhaust passage needs to flow as freely as possible in a range of conditions while still being just narrow enough to maintain the necessary exhaust velocity to scavenge exhaust gasses, particularly while under load. If you think about water pouring from a hose, if the flow starts slow, the water just dribbles out until you stop supplying water, at which point the last dribbles at and that's it. But if the flow is strong then when the supply is cut off and the water gets to the end it can actually collapse the hose because the water flows with such velocity that, multiplied by the coefficient of mass (it gets much more complicated but that's the simple way to say it), it creates enough energy that it compresses the hose on the way out. But you have to realize that energy is there all the time, and it's only being used to compress the hose when there is no longer a path of lesser resistance. While the water supply is still open, that velocity actually helps to draw water from the supply (to the extent allowed by other equipment upstream, etc.). The reason this matters is with engine exhaust there is no hose to collapse. Instead, that energy gets used to help suction exhaust gasses from the cylinders through the exhaust valves during the exhaust stroke. Any energy your engine is not spending trying to push exhaust gasses out is energy left to do other things. So by creating this vacuum (often missattributed as "backflow"), it's got a similar effect to increasing your air intake capability slightly, except better because then you can do both and all this amplified activity and volume is spread out across the 4-stroke cycle and engine components. At the micro level, a metaphor would be putting good grease on every wheel of a rollerblade instead of just putting expensive aerospace grease on the first two wheels and crappy harbor freight grease on the last two. Anyway, removing your cats (is illegal and) can definitely improve throughput and performance, but only if the computer knows what the new math is and guides the engine to harness the potential. Otherwise you are doing nothing nut making a vehicle that is loud, and stinks, and runs you the risk of legal trouble, and aside from all that, at best it performs the same as always.

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

@@allmycarsisbroke Thanks Nick! 🤙 I appreciate the scientific input.

@allmycarsisbroke

2 жыл бұрын

Or more simply put, remember this: if you could increase hp/torque across the board by any amount, however slight (and therefore fuel economy) by simply increasing the diameter of your cat a quarter inch, auto manufacturers would just do that at the factory. They have all the incentive in the world to take advantage of low-hanging fruit where performance gains and fuel economy can be improved without unreasonably sacrificing reliability or adding complexity or cost to he maintenance the vehicle needs. This principle helps save me from wasting money on gimmicky "mods" like exhaust diameter, TB spacers, etc. inless and until I can be certain I fully understand what effects it will have. So many people "straight pipe" their cars without a clue or a care that the lack of O2 sensors means their ECU will retard engine timing and make the car perform even worse than it sounds.

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

@@allmycarsisbroke You are so right Nick! It’s kind of it’s “too good to be true test”. If TB spacers worked so well, everyone would have one. And, they would become standard equipment from the factory. Yeah I will never understand people going the straight pipe route without dealing with all the sensors and tuning their engines. I think there is a lot of “carb engine” know how that people still think applies to newer EFI engines.

When you put the filter back in, is it on a stock intake set up or an aftermarket one?

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

It was the stock filter on the stock intake.

I'd like to see fuel flow and acceleration at part throttle. whats it doing at level cruise 55mph. they really dont do much at WOT as the throttle blades are out of the way at that point.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

MOW PEI There’s probably a lot that can be tested with the kinds of products. I drive this truck around for months with the TBS and I didn’t feel any difference. There also wasn’t a difference in fuel efficiency. I think the way to look at the dyno results is to look at the graph and see what RPM range makes the most power. My rpm sits between 1700-1800 at 55 mph. So if the graph only shows power gains above 3000 rpm then there won’t be any difference or gain cruising at 55 mph.

Did u test w/o the spacer and JUST the k&n after? Or was that the PRIOR power ratings with ONLY the k&n?

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

I have another video dedicated to the K&N drop in filter. So I compared those dyno readings to this one.

@robertboicourt

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters thanks.....was just vid surfing about the controversy over the "paper weight" easy power adder......i cant seem to find vids of the tb spacer on an internally modded engine.......will these actually perform with internal mods or not kinda vid........but those dyno vids dont exist or i havent found any yet

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

@@robertboicourt I think most people have written off TB spacers for fuel injected engines. Even though they don’t work or know nothing about them at all. Even the dyno tech was surprised that I wanted to test one because he just about figured everyone knew they were junk. As far as putting one on a modified engine. I just don’t think it’s worth the money. And I doubt it will add anything. The concept of a spacer only worked on carbureted engines.

I think it is in the older throttle body injection systems where you could expect a real gain with ot without a performance filter, being just an 1 inch extension on the newer systems it affects nothing in performance, but in a,say , chevy or mopar tbi, it affects not only the volume of the metered throttle space(vacuum) down to the combustion chamber,but the velocity at wich the air-fuel charge moves, something the computer could adjust in the form of a bigger and longer injection pulses, so there would be a noticiable diffrence in performance, at least in my ´93 mopar engine does, there is a big before and after in torque and hp...honestly, i haven´t done any dyno test, but the sensation at a stop light or towing a very heavy trailer is noticiable... my own spacer was built with phenolic material, it also isolates engine heat from throttle body, something else to think about since most spacers are made with aluminum, a ´´heat magnet´´ to the spot it is attached to...just my opinion...peace...

@TheMinuteMasters

5 жыл бұрын

ABDUL ALHAZRED I’ve heard the same thing. I wouldn’t rule out throttle bodies entirely. It did make torque and horsepower, just not enough to justice a $150 price tag. Yes, the additional down side of the space I tested is that it is that heat magnet aluminum. Honestly, if I’ve learned anything from these dyno experiences. It’s that if you want to know if these things will work in your specific vehicle and build, then it’s best to just go dyno it and see. I definitely think so mods work on older vehicles but not on new ones and some mods work on new vehicles but not on old ones. You could be the exception. The TBS did change the driving characteristics of my truck. The throttle was touchier and it idled higher. Both make it seem faster in the low rpm and stop light to stop light driving. Anyway, thanks for watching! I’m glad you enjoyed the video!🤙

@abdulalhazred4589

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters ANYTIME ,BRO, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK...

@TheMinuteMasters

5 жыл бұрын

ABDUL ALHAZRED Thanks man! Will do!🤙

Worked for me. Specially combining it with a drop in K&N air filter. But I got mine from ebay for $46. All it does is helps with throttle response. That's all I expected. I think people believe it will be an alternative to a Turbo or Super Charger. Which it's not.

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

If it works for your setup, go for it. As for throttle response, that happens because the throttle cable it tightened. If you over tighten the throttle cable, you’ll get the same result.

@spacepope87

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters I installed it on a 2010 Crown Victoria P7B. Electronic throttle body.

@spacepope87

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters Any info on how it works on an electronic TB?

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

@@spacepope87 It should work the same. The TB on this truck is operated by a cable from the gas pedal.

@spacepope87

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters You mentioned before that the better throttle response due to the tighter cable and how you can just do it yourself without the need of a spacer. What about an electronic TB? It's not tightening any cable.

Question u think the jet performance module work for these trucks?

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

I don’t have any opinions about the jet performance module. I’ve never tried it, but now that you mention it, it’s probably not a bad thing to test and report on.

I’m like in this channel. An intake manifold is an awesome upgrade for 150$. I have wondered if a spacer would be better on a carbureted engine though vs injected. I guess that wouldn’t really matter.

@Cjbarker2

2 жыл бұрын

That’s where throttle body spacers came from. Carburetors and TBI systems benefit from more time in the intake. SFI and MPFI systems don’t really care, so it ends up being a net gain in plenum size.

Do you think that the power would go back up if you were able to add more fuel in combination with the additional air from the filter? By the way, love the f150 vids!

@TheMinuteMasters

5 жыл бұрын

Rick Knight That is possible. However, looking the air to fuel monitor for the dyno, it didn’t look like it was starved for fuel. I think it was a product that worked better for carburetors. The packaging has not tuning directs or dyno estimates like K&N does. So think it’s more of a gimmick product.

@jeckel6953

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters I agree with that. Lots of people buy gimmicky products. They work on the "seat of the pants" Dyno but not on the real Dyno. I talked to a guy that poor one on his bronco and he swears it makes more power. I think it just changed the sound of the intake so he perceives more power.

@TheMinuteMasters

5 жыл бұрын

Rick Knight So I left the spacer on my truck for over a week now. The throttle response is better at times but I thing that has more to do with the throttle cable being tightened. I’ve also noticed my truck sounds like it is idling higher do to the tightened cable. I’ll probably do a follow up video on the “driving feel” and mpg of the spacer.

I don't have a spacer....however I did buy and install a BBK PERFORMANCE throttle body...twin 61mm...and I can tell a difference in the low end performance of it's 5.0 powerplant...I also have a KN filter as well and plans for upgrading the exhaust system...but no spacer tho...always thought that was a bullshit part like that tornado thing 😂

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Yrusonoz 79 I really want to test one of those 61mm throttle bodies. I’m curious as to how much power it makes on a stock engine and intake. A lot of people don’t recommend them unless you install high flow heads or intake. But yes, the tornado thing definitely sounded like snake oil to me. Lol

@yrusonoz5574

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters well my 5.0 is none stock other than the throttle body and I can see and tell a difference (no dyno) but more of the feel of character...I plan to port match my intake plenum to match the size of the TB as I get time

@yrusonoz5574

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters my truck is also a daily driver lol...so time is of the essence 🙄

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Yrusonoz 79 The porting should really help a lot with the 61mm. Haha! Love it! Nothing like a DD with some power!🤙

Thank you for this

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome David! 🤙 Thanks for watching!

If anyone has any questions about throttle body spacers, as did I, this is the perfect video for them. Thanks for sacrificing your hard earned cash lol

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!🤙 I appreciate it! I’m just trying to save everyone there hard earned money. Anyhow, thanks for watching!

The average gained torque was 4, does it help having the ram air duct from a 460, on a truck torque it’s what you need, how about combining it with short headers and what in the gain with aluminum wheels also the drive test summery gas mileage improvement, 50 ohms per foot resistance spark plug wires vs autozone gold, 60,000 summit special coil vs factory, regular spark plug gap vs hot rod trick, 14 degrees vs factory , underdrive pulley set, 2000 explorer rebuilt fuel injectors, no muffler vs super turbo muffler, taking out clutch fan vs aluminum flex fan, all these mods I’m going to do to my 1991ford 5.8 Bronco, I’m also going to add manual locking hubs and hope for the best gas mileage.

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

I would add up the cost of all these mods and then compare it to buying a set of heads. I’ve been told by many many engine builders that you might see 15-20 hp from those modes. A set of aluminum heads will get you that alone. I’d start with GT-40 heads and shorty headers first.

@michaelmoreno4250

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters with a set of .027 head gaskets, ported gt40p, ported upper and lower intakes, bbk throttle body, 1.7 roller rockers, roller cam conversion, upgraded 24lb fuel injectors, this is my stageII and hope all comes together with a reprogrammed chip. Thanks for the info, nice truck.

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmoreno4250 Love it! Thanks man!🤙

I wish you had shown the graph to show the gains throughout the entire powerband

Couple points are good but is that enough

How many runs did you do? The ECU has to have time to reset.

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

The truck had a chance to warm up with the throttle body spacer, and then we pulled three runs.

Out of curiosity.... what fuel system does this have? Im not great at identifying them... I know if these do ever do anything it's only carb and tbi... the rest they are 100% worthless, and definitely not worth $100... any response would be great thanks.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Zrage VII This is electronic fuel injection. You are right. With carbs and TBI the spacer ads volume to the plenum which acts like a high rise intake for a carb.

@zragevii4705

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters that's what I was thinking... it might be worth a bit on a tbi or carb system, if you can get a cheap one made

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Zrage VII Yes, I think a cheap one would be worth it.

Spacers and risers only work when the fuel and air mix at the carburetor, giving the mix more time to blend. On fuel injection they don't do much, especially only 1 inch. ???

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! People fight me on this all the time. The dyno results don’t lie.

The hero we dont deserve

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Erick Robles Thanks man!!🤙

Honest good video.

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!🤙 I appreciate it!

Steve I noticed in this video you have on your roof those yellow lights, do you have a video on them

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

I do have a video on those but it’s not a full install. There were a set of lights on the truck which I replaced with LED. So the video is for the install of the LED ones.👇 kzread.info/dash/bejne/o5eds9iLadOyd9I.html

@nickpanhead7209

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters thank you Steve for that

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickpanhead7209 No problem Nick!🤙 Thanks for watching!

Combining them might not be as bad as you think, when doing tunes and things you'll often see the max horsepower go up but the max torque go down. This is because the engine produces more torque someplace else in the revs, and as a result you'll gain torque at a certain RPM and lose torque at a certain RPM. It might be the same with this.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

GunFuMaster That is true with combining mods.

Thank you 🙏🏽

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

No problem man!🤙 Thanks for watching!

Well combining increased HP and lowered torque. I got what you were saying but you contradicting what the graph showed us combined

@TheMinuteMasters

5 жыл бұрын

Willlerd So I probably misspoke but as I saw it then on the graph and as the dyno tech explained to me. Combining the K&N filter with the TBS increased HP 5 and TQ 1. Here’s the specs: K&N Filter - +5HP and +3TQ Poweraide TBS - +1HP and +4TQ K&N + TBS Combo - +5HP and +1TQ Every time I use the K&N filter I get a 5HP gain. The TBS makes +1 more in TQ than the K&N. The combo only sees +1 TQ gain. So it’s not a reduction in stock TQ it’s a reduction from running only one mod at a time.

Thank you!

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Tom Gray No problem man! 🤙 Glad you enjoyed it!

So a 80" spacer = 80Hp

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Joaquin Pineda Pretty much! Lol

Should you not reach a bit higher RPM or just for the test? I mean these are rated at like 200ish.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

101spacecase The Throttlebody spacer does not come with a manual showing you what rpm it works best. I relied on the experience and knowledge of the Dyno tech to determine what speed and RPM was good for this test. I can tell you that he did put it up to the max RPM recommended for my truck.

@101spacecase

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters Ahh well you should be happy to know if you ran that in 2nd gear to about 5500 you would see more hp etc. I'm thinking the Tech was worried about breaking the old truck motor. Funny thing is I have a 95 also.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

101spacecase Yeah I think you are right. The engine is old and he didn’t want to be responsible. However for trucks, I think most people are interested in lower rpm range hp and tq. I know that’s my everyday range usage.

@101spacecase

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters Still rather funny the old Trucks are faster then 70% of the junk on the roads. Thanks for the chat Might watch some more of your Vids working on moving up to a 99 Silverado Drove the ford for 9 years now.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

101spacecase Faster and have more potential to make more hp!🤙 No problem man! Thanks for watching! I’m hopping to get around to running kore dyno tests. I would like to test a set of GP40 heads, mufflers, and some headers. Nice! I like that year of silverados!

THANK YOU BRO 😎

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome Smyth!!🤙

I think the car has to be tuned. In order to notice any kind of gain at all. You can't just go based off of slapping it on and see what happens. You got to get a baseline. Get your performance parts on run it with the performance parts and then tune it

@TheMinuteMasters

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely you could tune for one of the TBS. My issue with the product is they don’t state that. It’s sold as a simple bolt on power adder.

@TeamDrif-Tastik

2 ай бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters oh yeah. That's usually how it goes. Because these retailers are under the assumption that a professional is installing and tuning a vehicle.

@TheMinuteMasters

2 ай бұрын

@@TeamDrif-Tastik exactly! But there’s another issue, OBD1 isn’t a plug and play tune able ECU. You have to rebuild/mod it to be tunable. (The truck in the video is OBD1)

Thank u big fan

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome man!🤙 Thanks!

ive put them on at least 5 motors and have always felt a noticable difference

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

You definitely feel a difference but I think it has more to do with the throttle cable being tightened.

Does hp matter or throttle response? I say both, but apparently from the responses, dyno numbers is king.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Hunter Increasing hp and tq should also give the feel of increased throttle response. However, if you feel your vehicle is sluggish during throttle then something needs to be tuned. Either a good TB cleaning or some ignition or fuel related part needs to be addressed. Installed a TBS would be a band aid for a sluggish throttle response.

@chrishunter9784

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters My vehicle is fine. Mine was just a reply that if dyno numbers don't show an improvement, then people say a product like this is useless. I'm saying that throttle response isn't measured by a number from a machine, yet it's still very real.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Hunter Ah I gotcha! That is true.

Instead of focusing only on the peak hp and tq numbers.. you should focus on the entire graph... you may have gained some extra hp and tq in lower rpms, which can help tremendously

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Clapped Out Performance I was hoping that these mods I dynoed would make power at lower rpm. I still have the graph from this test and the TBS only makes power at higher rpms. The only mod that showed power increases at lower rpm and across the entire rpm range was deleting the mechanical radiator cooling fan.

we should give some credit to the engineers designing the engine for optimization. If it would be that simple as to increase throttle body space to add HP, well they would have built it that way in first place.

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

You are exactly right! If it were that easy, Ford would have installed them as a performance package.

@jacksonwalker3278

2 жыл бұрын

could it have been a noise related restriction from the manufacturer that caused them to not implement right away?

@atmosrepair

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacksonwalker3278 could be all kinds of things, why did you have success?

@jacksonwalker3278

2 жыл бұрын

@@atmosrepair not on this specific vehicle, but after driving my FJ with it installed the low RPMs feel better. I feel happy with my purchase.

@atmosrepair

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacksonwalker3278 okay what is FJ? A lot of times when it comes to adjustment like this, you never know until you try!

Isn't Tq better than HP... the K&N F'd it not the spacer?? What's the K&N only numbers? How's the mpg?

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

It’s not a matter of which is better, because it’s a relationship. With that said, if you’re drag racing or towing, you want more to work if you just wanna cruise in high speed on the highway typically more horsepower is preferred. Some mods increase torque more, but typically any mod increases both just at different ratio increments.

@DoWutNow

Жыл бұрын

So on that truck. Tq is better. Plate isn't a waste of money. The K&N was a waste.

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

@@DoWutNow 5 tq is not much for the money spent. There are other TQ mods that will yield more power.

@DoWutNow

Жыл бұрын

@Minute Masters 1 HP and unknown Mpg gains. I would choose the plate over the K&N's 4HP, but yeah we are getting into opinion more at this point. Without any MPG numbers. Very informative video a great chat. Ty for the knowledge 🙏🙏

A question. What kind of msd distributor have u truck?

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

So it’s just an MSD cap and rotor. I’d love to install a full MSD dizzy.

@javiranch

3 жыл бұрын

The Minute Masters thanks a lot 👍🏻

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

Javi Goles No problem man!🤙

I’m not sure what I’m reading here in the graph, you said the stock HP was 150 but above the 151 there’s a 152.

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

The graph I believe has other pulls on it from previous tests I ran. Those could be those other lines.

the minute master! 1 hp gain ? with the spacer?

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Gustavo D 1 hp and 5 tq

So in short. A throttle body spacer is good for carby cars where the air and fuel are mixing relatively close. Direct injection cars would see no gains from this.

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

You got it!🤙

@HeadSetGamers

2 жыл бұрын

I suppose it still looks cool on direct inject too haha

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

@@HeadSetGamers The little slice of red does have a cool Fast and Furious look for sure.

What if u installed a hi flow throttle body rather than a spacer?

@TheMinuteMasters

3 ай бұрын

So a high flow throttlebody, say a BBK 61 mm, is what I would call a supporting horsepower mod. Basically it does nothing unless you have other mods added to your intake. People see gains with those if the upper and lower intake manifold have been modified.

Holy fuck!!!! You sir know how to use time efficiently. I gained knowledge and don't feel my time was stolen. I'm subscribing just because this is the only video in the last 50 I've seen that is straight to the point, title matched content as well as your information was accurate and proven with real word results. Atta boy keep up the hard work and hopefully other KZread members can learn from you. Just think a KZread full of useful content with clairvoyant accurate directives.......

A spacer isn't something you install alone for power but in combination it can improve throttle response and mpg or I bet pair with a high rise intake and you would see a little either way sad they charge that crazy amount

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Joshua Maas I’ve had hundreds of discussions about TBS and the general consensus is for they price they are garbage. $150 could be spent on actual horsepower modifications. Carburetor spacers have proven results because it fakes a high rise intake manifold. I believe TBS are trying to be carb spacers.

@joshuamaas5380

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters I mean I would never spend 150 bucks on a spacer like I said it's not a hp adder like claimed but rather something to use in combination with other things I wouldn't use a spacer in almost any situation but you be damn sure it won't be over 40 dollars if I did and yes they work exactly like a carb spacer you are never going to make more power by making the intake taller but like I said you will get throttle response and combined with a high rise and the right cam basically the only time I would ever use one is with high rpm application

Video on upgrading the throttle body ?

@TheMinuteMasters

6 ай бұрын

Like to add this spacer or just an upgrade say to the larger port TB?

@chrissimmonds4898

6 ай бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters is there a difference with upgrading the throttle body with a spacer? Does upgrading the throttle body make any difference at all ?

@TheMinuteMasters

6 ай бұрын

@@chrissimmonds4898 Good questions. I didn’t go down that rabbit hole. The larger bore TB from BBK I’m told is a “supporting” mod. Basically, unless you upgrade the intake plenum and the heads, you won’t see any benefit. With that said, I doubt you’ll see any benefit, upgrading the throttlebody and adding a TBS.

It's meant for improved throttle response, which it does give, not hp. Also, there's cheaper brands that do the same thing.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

imfrom210texas The packaging says increase mid range hp, low end torque, fuel efficiency, and yes one description said throttle response. Yes, I did see very very small gains with the spacer and the throttle was a bit more touchy. The gains were not worth $150 and the “throttle response” only became more touchy because the throttle cable was tightened by the extra inch added by the spacer. I would even go far as to say, the cable was tightened so much the TB was cracked open a tad. The truck did idle higher and if I did keep my foot on the gas it was roll forward. So, my verdict was this mod was garbage. It’s too expensive for the gains and you can tighten a throttle cable without a spacer.

@imfrom210texas

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMinuteMasters ok, but I'll take the word of hundreds of others than yours. Folks who wouldn't spend that much on that part and then say that it didn't do what it said. Lots of products make bogus claims lol

Thx

Do those others in that shop realise that you are recording a video?

@TheMinuteMasters

Ай бұрын

Yes, I told them about my channel.

Bro im curious since you have the dyno, what if you upgraded to a copper spark plug and went up in fuel octane, would it balance out with all the extra air you added...Mabe a different balance in fuel to air mixture could help with the #s ......Like the video bro!!

@TheMinuteMasters

2 жыл бұрын

I run copper Motorcraft spark plugs in it now. I could have tried a higher octane. Throttle body spacers are known for not working. Even the dyno tech said it wouldn’t work. As for the dyno, I’ve moved out of that state. So I don’t have access to a dyno anymore. Thanks man!🤙 I appreciate it!

I've watched so many videos would guys giving you a 200-page book story of how they built and we did a motor are this or that if I find a video where they get straight to the point without the long story.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Mcneal I feel ya man. That’s one of the main reasons I started this channel. Produce good quality videos, cut the extra crap out, and get right to the point. Thanks for watching!🤙

No the throttle body spacer is no magic mod.. although I feel with a performance intake manifold, larger throttle body and a cold air intake they would all work well together. The spacer is just one piece of the puzzle.

@TheMinuteMasters

4 жыл бұрын

FloridaHardwood I think you are right about that. The dyno tech told me that most performance parts assist each other to each a greater overall performance. That’s the reason why I tested the K&N filter with the TBS. Although, the $150 price tag still puts the TBS at the bottom of the list of good HP mods.

@Okami400

4 жыл бұрын

Dyno a full intake car, then dyno it with the TBS. Then you can see that it doesnt do shit.

thanks man

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome Lino!🤙

I am from around Horsham :)

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

Nice!🤙 Injection Connection is super close to you.

Thank You, I almost lost the money to buy it.

@TheMinuteMasters

3 жыл бұрын

No problem man! 🤙 I’m glad I could help ya out!

But it all goes differently if you had headers and no cats then those up top breathing mods ,bet that would run higher numbers ,kinda like if you put a short header and run your stock cats you might get 5 hp and 7 torque but if you take off the cats and you have headers you might get 15 hp 14 torque my 350 zee did

@TheMinuteMasters

Жыл бұрын

But I would rather spend $100 on other mods than a TBS.