When i use more than one coat, I follow the instructions that blacktail studios got from rubio. They say to wait until first coat is dry, then sand with orbital on lower setting with maroon pad until uniform frosted look. Then you can wipe it off and blow it off with air, no liquids or cleaners at all just air and a microfiber cloth. Then add second coat. You will have much better results.

@Woodensoul

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Daniel. I have seen that video, but I have never tried it out. I rarely apply multiple coats nowadays, hence I have never needed it.

Thank you for showing this. I would have liked to see a little more aggressive testing. Such as small shot glasses set in the wine puddles to break surface tension and more accurately portray a typical situation on a table. I'd also try different liquids.. coffee, juice and simple water. Some experimenting with stain removal would be helpful as well.. toothpaste, peroxide, baking soda, etc.It would be interesting to see how, or if any of these are effective without damaging the wood, thus making it possible to spot repair with more mono coat.

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. These are all really good ideas! Maybe I will give it a shot one day…

I do 1 coat & add maintenance oil by Rubiomonocoat. I don’t use more than 1 coat of the original treatment. Great Video!

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, that’s pretty much my approach too nowadays 😁 Most welcome 🤩

Brilliant! Thanks!

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome 🤩

Really helpful study. Thanks for sharing.

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome Ben… glad if this was helpful 🎉

Hello. Thank you for sharing great experiment. My table is a bit rougher than before I spilled water. I wonder that if I recoat Rubio on the table, is it get smoother? or does it need sanding? (As I don't have sander, I would like to recoat if it works.)

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Aiden. Applying Rubio over the rough wood won‘t make it much smoother. Buy a 240 or 180 grit sanding paper and sand it by hand until it’s smooth. Clean it well with eg mineral spirit, and then apply Rubio. If the previous coating is old, I recommen coating the entire surface. If it was rather fresh, you might be able to do only the sanded part…

I recently used cotton white on white oak and turned out too white. Trying to achieve the restoration hardware bleached wood. Any recommendation on which color i should apply on top of that to achieve that? You think i can add a different color?

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Nicole. Any chance you can point me to pictures, so I can understand what you are trying to do? You can find my email on my channel, in channel info (it’s shown only on desktop, not on your mobile phone)

I’m fairly new to Rubio. But I’m noticing as it cures it changes from a nice glass smooth finish to, after a few days, a ‘drier’ feel, not quite as smooth. The differences are subtle, but noticeable. BTW, I’m using American Cherry. Do you notice a difference in how multiple layers of Rubio feels after it fully cures? Also, in this experiment how long did you wait between coats... fully cured (5-7 days)? Or just a few hours? Thanks for publishing your experiment - interesting result!

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dave. I know what you are referring to, and I did notice this effect too. I think it depends on the ‚hardness‘ of the wood. The softer the wood is, the more the surface gets rougher after drying. I think it has something to do with the wood fiber density and how the molecular binding works. There are a couple of things that can help: 1) Multiple coats (usually 2-3 in total), 2) if that doesn’t work then remove the Rubio by sanding, then sand up to 180 grit, apply sanding sealer and remove the sealer with 240 grit, then start again with the Rubio. 3) the most krass option is to flood your workpiece with epoxy resin to seal off the wood fibers, sand and then treat. I would only do that for end grain slabs (I have a video about that). In this experiment I let the Rubio cure for 7 days between coats. Cheers, Javier

Very informative! Thanks

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome, thanks Avery

Have you ever used their Precolor? Just finishing a big project using their intense black over walnut and finding that there is a big difference between one coat and two. Maybe it's the porous wood or maybe the water based stain (Precolor) but the second coat of Rubio gives a higher sheen and so I'm thinking a better protection as well. The finish looks great btw (on a large kitchen island). I also find that a very light sanding with 320 before the second coat helps smooth the finish (makes no difference in the sheen)

@Woodensoul

Жыл бұрын

Hi Steven. I have never used precolors. It’s on my to do list, so thanks for reminding me. Reading your description made me curious 😆🤩

Thirsty? Nice selection. I digress...most videos I watch suggest 2 coats. It does look more rich with 2. I love the stuff!!! Thanks for sharing.

@Woodensoul

8 ай бұрын

I love the stuff too! And I use sometimes also two, but only when I am not happy with the looks after one coat

Thanks for the video! This made me decide to use Rubio in a project I'm doing. Just one question, since it's my first time using it, once the Rubio is applied and the curing process begins, can I install the wood in place ( low traffic project ) or do I have to set it aside for weeks before I install it?

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Marin. If the project is low traffic, you can install it and let it cure that way. Without accelerator it takes 5-7 days to fully cure out.

@marinpetkovic1044

2 жыл бұрын

That is great news, thank you very much!

Thanks for the test! I've watched videos of people using Rubio and sure seems to be a good finish to use. I like the ease of application and repair. Hope all is well...

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I love it. Game changer for me 😁

Thank you for doing this experiment! I learned a lot! I will use just one coat…

@Woodensoul

11 ай бұрын

Most welcome - glad if this was helpful :D

Might try this type of finish. I too would go without the excellerant component. How long drying time in between coats? I’m a cabinet maker and can’t see how just one coat of any type of finish( other than a poured on expoxy) would really hold up for an everyday kind of finish. I’m skeptical about this finish mainly for the high cost

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Ken. Without the accelerator, the recommended time to cure is 7 days, although if I apply multiple coats I only wait 24 hours in between coats, then let it dry for 7 days. Yes, the costs are high, I agree, although I think it's totally worth it. Have fun trying it out...

@patrolduty8715

2 жыл бұрын

No finish is true one-coat if we need high quality finish. The one-coat finishes are only for people in hurry that need acceptable result for 1 coat. But luckily, those one-coat finish always can be applied in multiple coats.

Do you ever use Rubio’s “Universal Maintenance Oil? It’s supposed to increase the sheen and add protection. I’m just getting into Rubio and ordered it as well.

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Robert. Yes, I do use it. It’s good…

The roughness is the the wood fibres. When you do your final sand, you have to raise the grain with water, then very lightly sand. Then clean with mineral spirits. Then apply finish. I hope this helps if someone else didnt tell you already. I use rubio, and I've never had this issue.

@Woodensoul

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for that tip, Carter. I have had this problem only rarely, but next time it happens, I will try it out for sure.

@treggmichelleliebler399

7 ай бұрын

I have had this problem after water popping twice between sanding. Extremely light sand with 320 grit 24 hours coating brings back to a beautiful smoothness.

Great video, that what im Looking for last time. In next week i will use rubio first time. Till now i used osmo oilwax, but 2 coats is time and space consuming. Regards my friend

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Johny. Glad to hear that the video was helpful 🤩 Have fun trying out Rubio and let me know how it went please. I looked at Osmo multiple times but never got over the hump to order one 🤣

I would like to see this same test on maple or something similar with closed grain

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, good idea!

oak has a very high tannin level. If you take white vinegar and dissolve 0000 steel wool in it, and then wipe it on oak it will turn the wood black. I think the wine might be doing something similar.

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Could be. That’s why I took different woods to test…

thank you for this video. did you sand or buff between coats?

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jennifer. No, I didn't sand or buff between coats. With Rubio Monocoat, you shouldn't sand, because you remove the upper layer of the wood that did the molecular binding already. So you are undoing what you already achieved. So with Rubio, I never touch the coats in between, except some light cleaning with mineral oil, to remove dust...

@jennifer1309

3 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul Great thank you! Can't wait to try it on my ambrosia maple...

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds wonderful! Fingers crossed and have fun 🤩

Did you prep it correctly? Meaning using the cleaner? Super important to get all the dust (vacuum will not always do it) as far as I know Rubio does not bind to itself only the wood structure so of you do notice an improvement with more than one coat it is because you did not apply and wipe correctly (low chance of that it’s pretty dummy proof ) or more likely the surface actually had dust on it still and the first coat partially bonded to the dust. This is why it is important to use the cleaner, i hate it to but it last a pretty long time…

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Good point but yes, I always clean the surface with the cleaner, even between coats…

Great video! Do you think the top coat that Rubio offers good protection?

@Woodensoul

Жыл бұрын

Thank you :D It offers decent protection, but not perfect. It's more of a water repellent, not water resistant. You can watch a video comparing different coatings here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p3lqsdxvpquXm84.html

Thank you for the time and money saving!

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Most welcome 😁

Do you think it may be a bad idea to use this on a bar top?

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

That depends how heavyily it will be used. For a bar top at home: totally. For a bar top in a bar, with heavy daily usage, I might rather go with a Polyurethane coating, to seal the wood completely...

How much time between coats?

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

In this video, I left 1 week in between coats. But usually, I leave 1 day between coats.

Have you experimented top coating with other products including wax and buffing the cured monocoat

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Kind of. Whenever I tried applying Monocoat to a surface treated with something else, the result wasn’t good. Apparently Rubio needs the raw wood to do the molecular binding...

@ehRalph

3 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul so will other products or wax stick to and enhance monocoat or make it worse/fail

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Make it worse and fail

Excellent experiment! Do you or anyone here ever experience blotching with rubio monocoat as it dries? I have never used it but am contemplating switching to this product.

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you :D Usually, Rubio doesn't blotch. There are a few exceptions though: 1) If you applied sanding sealer and didn't remove it well, you will get blotching, 2) if you coat end grain and drop blobs of Rubio on it, it might soak in so quickly that it might look darker than other places. Hence I use brushes to coat end grain (I have a video about this). 3) If you don't remove the excess epoxy after 10-15 minutes well, you might get some parts that become all sticky. While I experienced these things, that happens very rarely and depends on you taking care about these things before coating.

@barefootlyrooted

2 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul Very very helpful information. Thanks so much!

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

@@barefootlyrooted Most welcome

Thanks for sharing the info. BTW have you ever used Rubio on exposed plywood edges? Will it be durable? I wonder cause the official answer is "no, you can't do it cause Rubio will not bond to glue" although IRL I've seen many examples proving these Rubio's reps claims to be only half-true and it seems it will bond OK.

@Woodensoul

7 ай бұрын

Most welcome 👊🏼 I haven’t applied it to Plywood on purpose, but I often coat my table on plywood boards and Rubio spills on the plywood. Nad I can confirm that it absolutely binds. I also use it on wood filler, which is mostly glue ans it also binds on filler.

@olegx.8173

7 ай бұрын

@@Woodensoul thanks! It will give me some confidence to give it a try. I will write a comment here later about the results.

Thank you for doing this. I like your experiment. Your conclusion is funny though. In 2 of the 3 tests, you say you can see and feel the difference, and in the third you can not. Yet your conclusion was drawn from your third test. Seems to me like multiple coats protect better for short exposures (an hour or less) and that multiple coats do not protect better for long exposures. Life is full of short term exposures ;)

@Woodensoul

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your feedback, and I do agree with your remark. The main reason I did not draw this conclusion is, that the differences in the first and second round were really very small, so I am not sure if the additional time and money is worth it. But certainly, if one has a project where that effect would be a gain, then two coats might be worth it...

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

@Winston Sammy Most welcome :D

Hello. Have you ever experimented on increasing the stain tone?

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Leonardo. What do you mean exactly? Like changing the color (for instance to white) by mixing in other fluids with the Rubio?

Great test! Perhaps there is a difference with regard to the density of the wood

@Woodensoul

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Oton. Not sure, but it could certainly be. We would have to repeat the test with different woods...

The third coar looks a bit darker..is this true. I like it more

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

It must have been something with the lights and the camera angle. In real they looked identical to me...

@adrianluica6960

3 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul ok. Thank for experiment. I was thinking for a long time what will happen if applying 3 coats. How is Rubi protecting the wood for scratching comparing to laker?

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Sure thing. What is “laker”? Is that another type of coat?

@adrianluica6960

3 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul sorry. wrong spell...lacquer is the correct word

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, got you. I think Lacquer protects the wood better from scratches, but once the lacquer coat is damaged its much harder to repair. With Rubio you just sand lightly, rub some Rubio on the scratch and its gone...

Are you using Rubio Monocoat 2c with the accelerator? If not, do you have any experience with it? I'm finishing butcher block countertops.

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dawnn. Good question. I have used Rubio both with and without accelerator, but I moved away from the accelerator completely due to the following reasons: 1) It's hard to calculate how much Rubio you will need to mix. Either you mix too little, which is a pain, because then you need to mix again, or you mix too much, which is a waste. 2) You need to hurry a lot more to apply it, because it hardens pretty fast, 3) It's more expensive because you have to buy the accelerator, 4) I found that the final look was subpar compared to pure Rubio (that last point might be totally stemming from my imagination, so totally subjective feeling). The only reason to use accelerator is if you are in a hurry, as it hardens completely within 1 day, instead of 7 days without hardener. As I am never in a hurry (this is my hobby, not my job), I don't use the accelerator anymore. Hope that helps.

@dawnnisageek

3 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul that's great, thanks. I'm in no rush and want the best possible finished product. Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences.

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, have fun 🤩

@WoodyDeer

2 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul Hello Wooden :) I am big fun of Rubio as well.A have read from official page of Rubio that if you are using it for example on dinning table,stairs or floor,you should use an accelerator as it will protect more from water spell etc.What do you think about that.Sorry for my bed English. Have a good day mister

@WoodyDeer

2 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul It "should be" more durable with Accelerator.Thats what they said.

any experience with tungoil maybe?

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

No, I fear I have never tried that. do you like it?

@Kocsis_Robert

3 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul also havent tried it yet, but will try it for sure. i will share my experiences.

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kocsis_Robert Yes, please do :D

Please test their maintenance oil on top of the finish.

@Woodensoul

Жыл бұрын

Good idea - I have that maintenance oil but never thought to test it

@Woodensoul

Жыл бұрын

@@matt-dc4mw Not sure, maybe I was asleep, but I did use the maintenance oil multiple times in the last couple of months

@Woodensoul

Жыл бұрын

@@matt-dc4mw No, it doesn't improve Rubio's basic properties at all, it just helps to make it look better again

It would have been nice if you tried to wipe it off with a wetted sponge.That way we'd know if it's really good.

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

You mean if the sponge would have removed the stains?

@seadawg4740

3 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul Exactly!

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

Got you. I did try that too (off camera), but that had no effect. The stain was too deep...

@seadawg4740

3 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul Thanks for getting back to me and for the video.

@Woodensoul

3 жыл бұрын

@@seadawg4740 Sure thing...

You needed a control piece with no Rubio on it.

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure I agree Benny. Untreated wood sucks in liquids like crazy…

How many coats do you need? Maybe the question should be….How many coats can you afford???

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, right, I know, Rubio is really expensive 😆

It’s called monocoat, you need one. Do NOT do more than one coat. I think about how on Armstrong stains they put one coat only because additional coats do nothing. And if you do add coats, good luck doing spot repair

@Woodensoul

Жыл бұрын

I agree that one coat is enough, I disagree that more coats lead to spot repair problems. I do use sometimes more than one coat and never had such problems...

Rubio is a frikkin' joke. It is expensive. It was developed for flooring. Garbage if applied to furniture. Monocoat? Come on!

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

You are wrong, in everything you said Kemal, but I don’t mind. It’s you who are missing out, not me 😆

@skpince

2 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul sorry about being so heavy handed. It happens after a few shots of tequila :-) I do use rubio when the client asks for it. I'm not a big fan of it. I have to say that it is not "mono coat". I sand the wood down to 120 and apply the first coat. When it dries I lightly sand it down to 320 and reapply. It works. But I would never say it is "mono coat". If you sand higher than 180 it does not soak in.

@skpince

2 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul I subscribed to your channel and will be watching closely, btw :-)

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

@@skpince Haha... yeah, don't comment on videos when being drunk my friend :D. I don't share your experiences with Rubio. I usually sand up to 240 and apply one coat. After a week, I check how it looks and if I don't like it, I apply a second coat. I love everything about it: the application, the smell, the look. I use it for all my projects. But well, my experience doesn't have to match yours. Thanks for the subscription - let's keep discussing :D

@skpince

2 жыл бұрын

I'll go your way and see how it works out, bro. Thx.

video is way too long and wordy

@Woodensoul

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I am a slow thinker and speaker, plus English is not my native language. Just watch it double speed 😂

@scottgorman7166

2 жыл бұрын

@@Woodensoul glad you used cheap wine. I used it on a Western Red Cedar kayak paddle (2 coats) and have been in the water approx 10 hours with it....it looks and feels wonderful. Thanks for the video

@JavierBargasAvila

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottgorman7166 Wow! I wouldn’t have thought that it would work on heavy duty gear that is in contact with water that much. Interesting data point… thanks for sharing