I am a dispensationalist and I Love my brothers and sisters who are Covenanters.

@georgethemonkeydrummer5598

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you because many on your side (I’m not sure where I fall currently since I was raised and attend a Pentecostal church but discovered the new Calvinist/ convenant theology movement and recently started to explore their beliefs and sermons and I can’t call them false converts for the life of me since it’s clear that they believe that repentance and faith in Jesus Christ is the only form of salvation.

@matthewj2492

Жыл бұрын

@@georgethemonkeydrummer5598 - I attend a "Dispensational Type" Church, but I love to read Spurgeon, Edwards, Owen, Calvin and many others. Also remember, as flawed as they may have been, they changed the world they lived in, and took the Gospel to the uttermost part of the world. Without the Reformers, we would not have an America, or its laws. The current generation of Christians have become like the world, the Reformers changed the world.

@davidkunze2770

Жыл бұрын

George, because your movement goes back to approximately 1900, you are definitely not a calvinist. That is good Biblically, I think. However you do not want to fall into a works based salvation, which is frequently done by those in your camp. Blessings

@kylesalmon31

Жыл бұрын

@@davidkunze2770 by his camp do you mean Pentecostal or Calvinist?

I become suspicious of any organized attempt to shroud the plain meanings of [text] within narrowly defined terms used by "the wise" to course a line of thinking advantageous to them.

I've been on both sides of this argument. Raised under dispensationalism and now moving towards covenant rheology. The arguments are complicated and you cannot simplify it in a presentation like this. Respectfully I would say this gentleman is misrepresentating the covenant theology argument. And I say that as someone who thinks there are pros and cons to both views. He has not explained CT fairly. And that is the biggest problem in all this - the different sides misrepresent the other.

@mariosangermano5709

2 жыл бұрын

Can we all agree these are not salvation issues, and we don't divide over this?

@robvaughan3171

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. Covenant theology is misrepresented here. It is not as simple as allegorical vs literal. It’s genre and context and historical etc. not allegory blanketed over everything

@robertbatista50

2 жыл бұрын

Five minutes in ... You can always tell what Theology one holds to when a brother starts misrepresenting the other sides beliefs.

@Orange6921

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not here to attack anyone's theology but the issue I have with CT is it really has no coherent explanation for Ezekiel 36-48, or Zechariah 12-14, or multiple full chapters in Jeremiah, Isaiah and several other prophets. I've been asking people about this for many years and I never get a serious or coherent explanation at all. In my experience 99% of them just avoid those sections of the Bible completely and are very uneasy trying to talk about them. They have a very broad reason why they disagree with dispensationalism over it but when you dig into the text of those chapters its just not a coherent or consistent explanations at all. The other major issue is it has to allegorize most of the 2nd coming passages, when the vast majority of the prophecies on the 1st coming very hyper literal and not allegory at all. Christ was born of a LITERAL virgin, in the literal town of Bethlehem, literally a son of David, literally rode in to Jerusalem on a literal donkey. Literally healed the bind and sick, literally hung on a literal cross, literally died for our sins, literally rose on the third day, was literally rejected by his people and so on and so forth. But with CT, when it comes to the 2nd coming and the millennium and all that its a massive allegorization across the board. They interpret it 180 degrees opposite of the 1st coming prophecies and really nearly all of Bible prophecy. Bible propechy is extremely literal and detailed to an amazing level, even when it uses poetic language or animals to symbolize kingdoms, nations and people. The play out is always very literal.

@mariosangermano5709

2 жыл бұрын

@@Orange6921 I agree 100%. They have to come up with two different rules of interpretation to allegorize prophetic passages. I believe the literal- grammatical interpretation of scripture best represents its meaning. Leaving room for figurative language, hyperbole, imagery etc .. You have to go back to the Noaic, Abrahamic, and Mosaic covenants, especially the Abrahamic covenant to get eschatology right. That's why the premillenial view best fits the end times and Israel in prophecy. Those who hold to amillenial and post millenial views have to answer, why would God only apply the curses to Israel for their disobedience in literal way, and then the blessings are figurative and apply the blessings to the church in a literal way now? That's bad hermeneutics. They fail to realize that the Mosaic covenant had the blessings and cursing for Israel because of their disobedience and blessing for obedience and that was in effect from Numbers 24 until the death of Christ. But the Abrahamic covenant was an eternal covenant that was unilateral in that it was not dependent on the nation of Israel's obedience or disobedience , but on God's promise to bless them, make them a great nation, and give them a land to possess forever. That is yet future.

A word of advice to both sides, do NOT lean on YOUR own understanding when reading the word of GOD. We live in the world but we are not of the world. So we must put aside our biases worldviews and perspectives to gain the truth wisdom and knowledge of God through His Word.

@jesus_is_a_champion

Жыл бұрын

Amen “As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit-just as it has taught you, remain in him.” 1 John 2:27

This is so good. Currently studying dispensationalism and this helps greatly.

@coderc5753

11 ай бұрын

I highly recommend Robert Breaker he’s amazing at explaining dispensations. God bless

The way He represents covenant theology is just not fair at all.

@MrElectricN8

2 жыл бұрын

true. Calvinist are wrong about election. You can know what predestined or election means. Predestined people are those that believed. Problem solved. Am I predestined if I didn;t believe? You wont know right? But if I believed Jesus, then I was predestined. But calvinist would say, you cant believe unless God enables you thru regeneration. That's a lie. Do they mean, I'm robot? God will tell us the gospel personally in our time because He knows we will desire it. God already saw who will believe. There's no question about it but dont' say we can't believe or Jesus will not need to ask us to believe Him. So calvinist theology doesn't lead us to believing Jesus because they cancel it by insisting on regeneration. They are simply implying, are believing means secondary but regeneration is first.

@ballietoflexheim

Жыл бұрын

You don't understand Calvinisn or Covenant theology. That's OK. Having a misunderstanding does not mean you are not one of God's elect.

@psalm2forliberty577

Жыл бұрын

It's usually most illuminating to learn about a given Theological position from it's Advocates. Not doing so us like asking the GM dealer what they think about Toyotas, to try to form MY opinion of Toyotas. Goofy. Go to each dealer & gather ALL your impression & compare.

@stadler72

Жыл бұрын

I came to Christ in a Calvary chapel, so there's some love there, but Calvary pastors aren't famous for their knowledge of other theologies.

@psalm2forliberty577

Жыл бұрын

@@stadler72 Chris, very accurate. I think Calvary Chapels specialty is recruiting. Other more detail oriented, theologically astute churches do the advanced training, like say Reformed Baptist or Presbyterian or even Independent Bible Churches, providing their ministers are well trained broadly in Scriptural Theology. Bless you !

This is what you get when you let a group of intellectuals loose on something. They feel the need to label and categorize everything. That then distorts and twists God's word and causes confusion. Read the Bible for yourselves folks. With reading, get wisdom and with the getting of wisdom get understanding.

@CT-ob2bw

4 жыл бұрын

...and this is about the most intellectual or intelligent response I have ever read on any post concerning bible, religious, and/or Jesus/God. Exactly - read it for yourself and study it for yourself before jumping into the pool of zealots across the web! (p.s. ok to be a zealot but I hope you know what I mean).

@autumnspring6624

4 жыл бұрын

SNAKEPIT359 SO TRUE!

@HerveyShmervy

4 жыл бұрын

That's true, but satan causes confusion so no one has a complete understanding of the bible, just the most important part (The Gospel)

@KoolCat-vg1rt

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree, God gave teachers and then we test what they say ! Covenant theology is crazy off !!

@newlightforgod

Жыл бұрын

Yes, sort of.teqcherd are there so we can learn theology in a systematic way. We can organize ideas and make sure they are evaluated against other ideas and weigh the data in the bible. Labels van be good because well we say a lot of information without all the words. When he said "5 points of clavinism" i immediately remembered all the doctrines and verses they use instwad of having a 5hr conversation on it all. Reading the bible for yourself is great but when nobody is their to five you other ideas of what the bibke can say. Well, your just shouting into a wall telling yourself your right.

John, I respect you and have learned a lot from your teachings. I do think it is wrong how you characterized covenantal theology. Normally you are pretty fair to the other side but I felt that this was somewhat of a straw man. Allegorical interpretation does not come from Origen but from the New Testament. Paul, comparing Israel according to the flesh and the Church, writes to the Galatians: “Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.” He says we, in the Church, are heirs according to promise. He says there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ and that those of faith are the sons of Abraham. He also says all the promises are yes and Amen in Christ! Not to mention he said that the verse “you shall not muzzle an oxen while treading the grain” was written for our sakes speaking about ministers of the gospel earning their living from the gospel. You can’t read the New Testament without noticing this style of interpretation. We interpret the scriptures as Jesus and the Apostles did because they are the authority. We have the Spirit and can understand the Old Testament because anyone who turns to the Lord has the veil removed. The Jews killed the Christ for this very reason. They were blinded by unbelief. They thought the Christ would only be a human political leader descended from David. They took the scriptures too literally. Prophecy has always involved spiritual truth that needs to be discerned. One needs the Spirit to understand. For the carnal mind cannot understand the things of God. When Jesus said “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.” He was speaking allegorically or spiritually because no Old Testament prophecy says those literal words. He’s most likely referring to the river flowing from the new temple in Ezekiel 47 which we know from Corinthians that our body is a temple and the church itself is the temple of God. It’s the same when he spoke of tearing down the temple and rebuilding it in three days. This is the Biblical interpretation of scripture not to mention traditional Christian interpretation of scripture as dispensationalism didn’t even come around until the 1830s with John Darby.

@lucasmcdonald837

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Thank you so much. Not only that, Paul also says that the prophets spoke through the “spirit of Christ” and that essentially they had a clouded view of their own writings, which Jesus then came to fully illuminate. So it’s IMPOSSIBLE to read the OT property without filtering it through Jesus.

@Michael_Oliver_

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, as you pointed out it didn't start till the 1830s. Also his claim that most are Calvinists is just plain wrong. Catholics don't believe dispensationalism, a large number of Baptists don't believe dispensationalism, several non denominational churches don't believe dispensationalism, and none of them are Calvinists.

@coloradodutch7480

2 жыл бұрын

It was not the fact that they took it to literally but that they did not take it literally enough. When Jesus entered through the gate, they should have recognized the day if they would have applied Daniel’s prophecy (like Daniel did with the 70 year captivity prophecy). In addition, Jesus showed the disciples from the scriptures that he had to suffer and die according to the scriptures (ie OT). Clearly Jesus expected them to know the scriptures and that he would fulfill the scriptures literally.

@coloradodutch7480

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is not that he doesn’t believe in allegorical interpretation but the extent that Origin and Augustine applied allegory to the scriptures. If you read their writings they even interpret parables as allegorical. The school in Alexandria allegorized things that were not allegorical.

@Orange6921

2 жыл бұрын

You lose everyone when you start bringing up John Darby, its well documented that these ideas are well over 1000 years older than Darby and date back to the early church. There are entire books out there quoting the church fathers of the first 3-4 centuries who saw basic dispensations in scripture and saw future fulfillment for Israel after the church age. In fact the first 2-3 centuries of the church was dominated by pre millennial teachings. Both sides agree the Bible uses symbology in teaching, both sides agree with the symbolic references you points to and we all agree on many others. The problem is when you go beyond the scripture and just blanketly apply them to places the Bible does not. You are always disagreeing with Jesus Himself on why the Jews and many of the religious leaders did not understand who Jesus was. Christ did not tell them they over literalized the scripture, he told them they were a generation of vipers who did not know God, were thieves and liars and spiritual fornicators who could not escape the damnation of hell. . In fact the first coming prophecies were HYPER literal in their fulfillment. Jesus was literally born right when Daniel predicted, to the literal house of David, in the literal town of Bethlehem, born of a literal virgin. He literally lived in Nazereth, literally healed the sick and blind, was literally rejected by His people, was literally betrayed for 30 literal pieces of silver. He literally rode into a literal Jerusalem on a literal donkey, was literally betrayed by a close friend and literally arrested and literally hung on a literal cross. He was literally mocked, his vesture literally torn and cast lots for, literally given gall to drink and literally died for our sins. HE literally rose on the 3rd day. The fulfillment was not just literal it was HYPER literal. When you compare that with the CT approach to the 2nd coming prophecies they are interpreting them the total opposite of the first coming.

I think that with people getting their theology from many different sources online, nowadays, that we are starting to see a bit of a mixture of both "CT" and "DP." Sort of a "Both/And Theology" instead of an "Either/Or Theology??" I don't know - it's just my take on the matter.

@puglover8171

4 ай бұрын

Even before.

For a long time I have actually tried to understand what these two concepts are, and how they differ.This video certainly casts a lot of light on the subject.Thanks for sharing.

Thanks so much for your input and insight much appreciated.

Thank you for explaining this so well. I just naturally take things literally and never understood CT arrived at their understanding through allegorical interpretations. That really clarifies a lot!

For you Covenanters Exodus 22:22-24. It's funny how the human race always wants to make a mystery out of the obvious; overreact to the simple; and confuse the definite. I'm so glad I found you. I frequently recall your story of a woman named Young, who knew she was going to be martyred. She told her young sons to look for a small congregation of believers, they would have the truth. And so it is. The larger portion of believers prefer to make understanding things harder than they need to be.

@joelauchtung8406

Жыл бұрын

Jesus often made mysteries of the obvious. And he did it on purpose that some might understand, and that others might not.

@nightowlovo4422

6 ай бұрын

‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26‭-‬29‬ ‭LSB‬ [26] For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. [27] For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise. ‭Romans‬ ‭9:6‭-‬8‬ ‭LSB‬ [6] But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; [7] nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s seed, but: “through Isaac your seed will be named.” [8] That is, the children of the flesh are not the children of God, but the children of the promise are considered as seed.

simple and clear thank you

Good day Pastor John God Bless you and Bonnie for your ministry. I love watching your sermons and teaching on KZread. I've learned a tremendous amount from you. My name is Greg Rodriguez, and live in Texas. I have a question and believe that God kept his first covenant with Abraham. While reading Hebrews chapter 9, it talks about a new covenant and finding fault with them( the Jewish people of that time after the exodus) the Lord made a new covenant and made the first obsolete and ready to vanish away. Can you elaborate on this for my understanding? I very would appreciate it.

@musiclover148

Жыл бұрын

The old covenant described in Hebrews is the covenant of law made at Mt. Sinai between God and His set-apart people, the children of Israel. This Mosaic covenant failed, as God knew it would, because law only sets the boundaries of sin and righteousness without giving us the power to obey it. We can't keep the law, so the law can't make us right with God. Law even amplifies the power of sin, because it provokes human nature to rebel against the will of God. The New Covenant frees us from the unmeetable demands of the law, because the Lord Jesus met the demands of the law for us. He established the righteousness by which we need to be saved, and He exchanged that righteousness for our sin and guilt, which He bore and for which He suffered on Calvary. The Word says that spiritually, we are children of Abraham, because he came to God by faith and found God's approval through faith, as do we. That's where Abraham's eternal covenant with God comes in. He lived before the law, so he was never covered by the law. I think I prefer the New Covenant to the old one, don't you?!! God bless you.

@musiclover148

Жыл бұрын

BTW, Greg, my use of the term "covenant" doesn't mean I subscribe to covenant theology. The way I'm using it is perfectly consistent with dispensationalism, I believe.

(2) Covenant: What is Reformed Theology? with R.C. Sproul - KZread

I used to be a sex addict for over 8 yrs until this year in march i hot into a terrible accident my neck got broken. I could even feel the separation of my soul from my physical body and I was overwhelmed with fear n guilt so I promised God that if he'd let me live I will change my ways n be a Gospel minister, a few months later after being discharged I joined a Baptist Reformed church and I got saved I'm now an evangelical Christian 22 yrs old

This is why Calvary church is blessed and growing because they dont mess with the Scriptures and the covenant God has made with Israel. I learned new insight from this video. Thanks!!!

@angeloantonio5483

3 жыл бұрын

whats on yr head ?

@clandestine792

3 жыл бұрын

@@angeloantonio5483 "whats on ur head" is in my head as soon as i read it

How can you approach the Bible honestly and literally without understanding that God deals with different groups at different places in time?

Was trying to figure out DTBM’s theological persuasion. I noticed that the speaker went to Dallas Theological Seminary. It’s my understanding that you have to hold to the teachings of John Nelson Darby and С.I.Scofield there.

I. Genesis 1, 28-30; 2, 15-17; Hosea 6, 7: *Edenic* II. Genesis 3, 14-19: *Adamic* III. Genesis 9, 1-17: *Noahic* IV. Genesis 12, 1-3, 7; 13, 14-17; 15, 1-21; 17, 1-21; 22, 15-18: *Abrahamic* (Abraham, Seed: Israel, Gentiles) V. Exodus 21 - Deutoronomy 28, 68: *Mosaic* VI. Deutoronomy 29, 1 - 30, 20: *Land* VII. 2 Samuel 7, 11b-16; 1 Chronicles 17, 10b-14: *Davidic* VIII. Jeremiah 31, 31-34: *New* *Covenant*

@TheCandel34

4 жыл бұрын

God is capable of managing multiple covenants at one time. Just like we are, except to perfection. How many of us have a house payment and vehicle payment and utilities and credit cards or loans that we have promises to keep up with. Because i pay my house does that mean i no longer have a vehicle payment? The reality of God is scary so we try and trap him in a doctrine or religion where we can tolerate him according to our terms and at the same time profess to surrender to him as our God.

I was taught Dispensationalism during the '60s when Hal Lindsay's book Late Great Planet Earth was hot. To make a long story short, all of that craziness burned me out on eschatology. I'm now Reformed and looking for a system without an overburden of John Darby's speculations. I want to know more about Covenant Theology.

@TheCandel34

4 жыл бұрын

This is why we need our jewish brethren (that beleive in messiah) to help us out. Like two strands of DNA , two chambers of a heart, two oxen in a yoke. The two houses becoming one with God. H2O/ water ....

@toddmcrae3834

4 жыл бұрын

If you read the book of revelation, ita clear he makes a distinction between the Jews and everyone else.

@e.garcia618

4 жыл бұрын

@@toddmcrae3834 Prove that!

@jgons

3 жыл бұрын

todd mcrae then explain the passages mentioning believers are grafted in.

@owensterry29

3 жыл бұрын

@@jgons We're grafted into Believing Israel ie the 12 Disciples not unbelieving Israel

That is about the least honest description of Covenant Theology I've heard. "They basically say, if the Bible says something, it must mean something else." You can't help people by lying.

@joshuatheo1419

3 жыл бұрын

Yup.

@michaelmilne9914

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, no wonder Dispensationists are so confused, with guys like this teaching them. CT certainly has its criticisms but this is so far out there he is delusional.

@krisjohansen3823

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. He is either highly ignorant or dishonest and should be ashamed of himself

@jelly7310

3 жыл бұрын

Well, what's the description of it? I honestly don't know and trying to learn. Thanks.

@michaelmilne9914

3 жыл бұрын

@@jelly7310 Basically, very basically, it is the belief when God made His covenant with Abraham in Gen 12 and 15 it was for all time and the rest of the Bible including the ministry of Jesus Christ is related to that contract. It has been the traditional view of the church from the first century. Dispensationalism is a view popularized by Charles Darby in the 1800's where there are multiple revelations of God, periods of time where God is doing different things, dispensations (generally 7, I think) This current dispensation starts somewhere in Acts, related to the Holy Spirit. So a CT theology is one of trying to understand God in the completeness of His working over time. Things that happened to Abraham, Joseph, Hosea, Jonah are real and have meaning to be discovered for today for practice in light of God is consistent and unchangeable.

I’ve never heard any Covenant Theologian say salvation was differently a different point ever. Abraham didn’t work his way to heaven, it was credited to him righteousness when he had nothing to offer. I feel this teacher has studied very little of actual covenant theology. Not to mention he’s lumping it into just 2... but there are many covenants pre-cross. Adamic. Noahic. Abrahamic. Mosaic. Davidic....

@lukebeaver3844

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree. This is backwards. Look at any Dispensational Chart and you will see that they believe a Catholic Gospel for the Jews which is Grace plus works. I've never heard anyone who was Covenental claim works based salvation especially if they're Calvinistic the they would say it was always election. The claim that Luther's writings influenced Hilter is also baseless please give citations?

@andreaakilic5608

Жыл бұрын

@@lukebeaver3844 whats so wrong about works based salvation?

@lukebeaver3844

Жыл бұрын

@@andreaakilic5608 The fact that it requires fallen men to raise themselves from the dead spiritual apart from the work of Christ the savior. If you think you can make yourself righteous before a holy God the you are effectually saying you can atone for your own sins which you cannot as witnessed to by the scriptures and the fact that Christ had to die to take away sin and to continue to keep us by being a high Priest forever. We aren't to be lawless and live anyway we choose but are to walk in the good works that the Lord prepared for us.

@andreaakilic5608

Жыл бұрын

@@lukebeaver3844 but as a dispensationalist myself I believe that currently salvation is by faith alone. And when we say that salvation is by faith and works in tribulation for example, we dont mean that you can get saved by following the law and not sinning and that you can get rid of sin on your own. In tribulation, the work that will be required for salvation is rejecting the mark of the beast. Now just think about it, how can people in the time of tribulation be saved by faith alone while rejecting the mark of the beast is a massive work, like that will be really hard and you will die for it. So can people be saved even if they take the mark because salvation is always by faith alone? Ofc not, thats why its by faith and works(rejecting the mark) in the tribulation.

@lukebeaver3844

Жыл бұрын

@@andreaakilic5608 I'm not trying to be provocative but that's nothing short of a Catholic gospel for Jews in the future. I don't believe scripture teaches that man can save himself. It's all of Christ or all of nothing. This view did not come onto the scene until John Nelson Darby began espousing it 200 years ago. Historically it has no basis.

To DTBM- Wrong! The Bible contradicted itself until I read it through the eyes of dispensationalistm. My KJV no longer collects dust.

@annieb7919

5 жыл бұрын

Amen and AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@sigra4867

5 жыл бұрын

DBTM is a dispensationalist did you not listen to him?

@CC-pt3di

5 жыл бұрын

What? DTBM is a dispensationalist. You contradict yourself.

@user-bg5kj5ig1y

5 жыл бұрын

No one can read Gods word and see dispsatanism, it has to be taught to them, it's sure not taught in the word of God. Always remember when ones premise is wrong all is wrong, if someone said; my bible has 1189 limbs this would be a corrupt premise, to say that dispensatanism is a length of time or time period is a false premise right from the start, the word itself means ''to give out''--one might remember the Pez dispensers or in the army we had the store or''dispensary'' .So the 2 evil masterminds Darby ''the mason'' and Scofield ''the divorced lawyer'' did an excellent job of confusing simple minded people to believe dispensatanism! Premise wrong! Dispy's leaders ''inventors'' wrong!

@Bruce_Peters

5 жыл бұрын

Sure, as long as you accept all of the ADDITIONS dispensationalism makes to the word of God. Not to mention ignoring certain words and their plain meaning. I can make the bible "not contradict itself" too if I just remove large portions of it and say "not for me, not for me, not for me"!

I'm a nuts and bolts believer in the Word. Heard very little on doctrine and theology from men that is not corrupted. I always defer to Matt 15:9 "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

This is one of the best videos I've seen to date on this subject. Excellent. Thanks. I agree with almost everything you said about the future of Israel. But I think the church is here until the very end, "the Last Day" and even beyond, and we are protected from the bowls of wrath by God's promises, like those in Psalm 91, which has to have a fulfillment at some time. The converted Jews don't get the whole world to themselves, but they do propagate into the kingdom. But the church is present, made up of all kingdoms. The "kingdoms under the whole heavens are given to the people of the saints. All kingdoms will worship and serve Him" (Daniel 7).. This is the church from all nations, tongues, peoples and languages, all nations serving Him. These are the kingdoms under the whole heaven serving and obeying Him in resurrected bodies. God bless.

Thanks so much for this clear and needed teaching

Dispensation of the Bible is what makes sense if you want to understand. Dispensationalism is in the Bible

@drriff5720

5 жыл бұрын

delicious bacon

@elshaddai-houseofbiblelearning

5 жыл бұрын

We are really glad and brings us so much joy to see brethren like you who understand this aspect. Lord bless you even more as you delve into the Scriptures.

@RL-vv7or

4 жыл бұрын

The error of Dispensationalism is that it ultimately leads people to believe there are TWO paths of salvation (which is heresy). It teaches that the Jews don't need Christ because they already have their own path.

@applepie5357

3 жыл бұрын

RL I agree

What you are referring to as hyperdispensationalism is actually Biblical Dispensationalism. Peter and the disciples received the Gospel of the Kingdom from Jesus. Paul received his Gospel of Grace directly from Jesus by divine revelation. Jesus did not reveal Paul's Gospel directly to Peter, James, John or any of the other Apostles. Paul was chosen by Jesus to be the apostle to the Gentiles. (Romans 11:13; Romans 15:16; Ephesians 3:1; 2 Timothy 1:11). In Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8, Paul calls the Gospel he received “my gospel.” The Bible says the Gospel of the Grace of God was committed to Paul’s trust. Acts 20:24; 1 Timothy 1:11 The transition from the Gospel of the Kingdom to Paul's Gospel is described in the Book of Acts. Paul explains how he got his Gospel directly from the risen and glorified Jesus and not from man. He had to convince Peter, James, and John that his Gospel was from God. After they accepted Paul's Gospel they stopped requiring gentiles to observe the law of Moses, dietary laws, water baptism, circumcision, sabbath observance. etc.. Acts 15. When Jesus revealed to Peter that all foods were made clean, it was to prepare Peter's understanding to accept Paul's Gospel to the Gentiles. Peter had to learn to sit and eat with Gentiles, something he would have never done without God giving Peter that vision. *_“the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest”_* (Romans 16:25-26). The glorified and exalted Jesus revealed that secret through the ministry of the Apostle Paul (Paul’s epistles: Romans through Philemon. *_"Now I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the good news that was proclaimed by me is not of human origin. For I did not receive it from any person, nor was I taught it, but I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. For you have heard about my former way of life in Judaism, how intensely I was persecuting the church of God and was trying to destroy it. And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many my own age among my people, because I was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. But when God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son to me so that I could proclaim the good news about him among the Gentiles, immediately I did not consult with flesh and blood, neither did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days."_* Galatians 1:11-18 *_“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”_* 1 Timothy 1:15-16: The word tells us to follow Paul as he follows Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1; 1 Corinthians 4:16; Ephesians 5:1; Philippians 3:17; 1 Thessalonians 1:6). There is no command to follow Peter, James, or John in the Bible. Why? Paul is “the apostle to the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13; Romans 15:16; 2 Timothy 1:11). Peter, James, and John were apostles to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 10:5-7; Matthew 19:27,28; Galatians 2:9). When Jews asked the Apostle Peter, “What must we do to be saved?,” notice Peter’s answer: *_“Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost” (Acts _**_2:38_**_; cf. Acts _**_3:19_**_)._* However, when the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas, “What must I do to be saved?,” notice what Paul and Silas declared: *_“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”_* (Acts 16:31). Obviously, these are not the same message. Peter told people to repent and then get water baptized, so they could receive forgiveness of sins and receive the Holy Spirit. Paul simply taught that salvation comes by “believing on the Lord Jesus Christ,” without preaching water baptism. Repentance under Paul's Gospel is the act of believing because believing is a change of heart. When you believe, you have turned from unbelief to belief, which is repentance. The reason we have divisions among us is because people are not dividing the word of truth and applying it to the intended target group. Some Christians say water baptism is essential. Others say baptism is not essential. Some say we have to keep the sabbath. Others say we do not have to keep the sabbath. Some say we cannot eat pork, shellfish, etc.. Others say it doesn't matter what we eat. Some groups say we have to obey the Law of Moses. Other's say we do not have to obey the law of Moses. Some say salvation requires works of faith. Others say salvation results in faith that works. The resurrected and glorified Jesus revealed to Paul the “revelation of the mystery” (Romans 16:25; Galatians 1:11-18; Ephesians 3:1-11; Colossians 1:25-26). Peter, James, and John did not receive “the revelation of the mystery” from Jesus, but rather, they received it from Paul. Read what the Apostle Peter wrote toward the end of his life: *_"And regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things (in which are some things that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction)."_* 2 Peter 3:15-16 Peter states he did not understand all of Paul's writings and teachings. The reason is that Jesus selected Peter as an apostle to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 10:5-7; Galatians 2:9). Peter did not need to understand Paul’s doctrine, because Peter preached the Gospel of the Kingdom to the Jews. The Gospel of Grace is exclusive to Paul’s ministry. Paul's Gospel is not the same as the Gospel of the Kingdom that Peter and the disciples preached to the Jews. The distinctions between the two gospels are so obvious that anyone who does not see it does not want to see it. The verses are in plain English, and no seminary degree is necessary. If one disagrees with any of these verses cited above, he or she is denying God’s Word and arguing against Almighty God . *_“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.”_* (1 Corinthians 14:37-38). *_“I (Paul) went up by revelation, and communicated unto them (Peter, James, and John) that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles….”_* *_"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should proclaim to you a good news contrary to the good news we proclaimed you, let him be accursed."_* Galatians 1:8 Paul taught them the Gospel that Jesus Christ had committed to his trust (a Gospel message Jesus had NOT committed to James, Peter, and John). Paul and Peter preached two different Gospels. The two different gospels are not contradictory when they are applied to the two distinct groups they are meant for: Israel and the Church. They are only contradictory when people try to apply both Gospels to the Church which ends up causing divisions among believers. *_“But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:).”_* Galatians 2:7-8 KJV You cannot apply James doctrine of "works" to the Body of Christ that are saved through Paul's Gospel. Look at the first verse in James. He is addressing the 12 tribes of Israel....not gentile or Jewish believers that have been "called out" from among the nations through the preaching of Paul's Gospel. This is Biblical my friend. There is nothing hyper about it. Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom to the Jews. The Kingdom on earth was promised to the Jews. The Church is a new revelation. Paul's Gospel was a new revelation. The Body of Christ has it's inheritance in Heaven. The Body of Christ are promised to be made immortal like Jesus. No such promises were made to Israel. The Body of Christ will assist Jesus and the inhabitants that come through the tribulation, but the earthly Kingdom in never promised to the Church. That promise is to Israel.

@donnas1787

5 жыл бұрын

"Peter and the disciples received the Gospel of the Kingdom through Jesus. Paul ministered the Gospel of grace to the Gentiles" You're making it sound like 2 different gospels. I've received the gospel of the Kingdom and received the Gospel of grace! All at the same time. Why are we separating everything? This only happens in America, you know? Other places in the World do not deal with these types of arguments! We shouldn't either!

@donnas1787

5 жыл бұрын

I got news for you. It was the Jerusalem council,(the apostles and elders) in the book of Acts 15, that determined what the converted Gentiles must follow as they grew in number -4 things. They only had them follow any because the converted Jews were giving the converted Gentiles problems. It was no different for the Jews, same across the board! Acts 15:7--After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them. "Brothers you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear FROM MY LIPS the message of the gospel and believe. 8- God, who knows the heart, showed that He accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to US. He made NO DISTINCTION between us and them, for He purified their hearts BY FAITH. Now then, why do you try to TEST GOD by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? 11-No!! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ that WE are saved, just as THEY are. NO DIFFERENCE. Read Acts 10:44-48 regarding Baptism: 45- and this of the circumcision believed and were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 47- "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptised who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" 48- And he COMMANDED them to be baptised in the name of the Lord. They baptised the converted Gentiles. Haven't you Read that there is no difference between Jew and Gentile? We are "One New Man."

@e.garcia618

5 жыл бұрын

@@donnas1787 Jesus preached the same gospel as Paul and Peter, you are right Donna, these dispys think as Gnostic's that there's mysteries and revelations hidden.

So, what is actually the difference between Covenant Theology, and Replacement Theology? One Calvinist that I have tried to get to answer that question, claims it's slanderous for me to refer to him as a Replacement Theology adherent, and corrects me by saying he believes in Covenant Theology.

@ShepherdMinistry

2 жыл бұрын

Among the different views of the relationship between the church and Israel are the church has replaced Israel (replacement theology), the church is an expansion of Israel (covenant theology), or the church is completely different and distinct from Israel (dispensationalism/premillennialism).

Thank you for helping to fill in some gaps in my understanding, though I would now like to hear a covenantialist (Did I just make up a word? lol) explain the difference between these two major approaches to theology. After 40 plus years of bible study, I've been unencumbered by any particular set of lenses (No seminary training). What the Spirit has led me to teach is in line with "this description" of dispensationalism. While I do not discount the value of higher education, I do see a tremendous advantage for those who are taught the bible solely under the supervision/direction of the Spirit of Christ. With the advent of internet, I am able to study every single reference or citation mentioned by those holding formal PhD's in theology, along with the writings of great saints since the 1st advent of Christ onward to the present. Every institution of learning has a man-made slant (lense). Yet the literary history & information they utilize is available (usually for free) to anyone who has learned how to learn for themselves. From what I can discern it appears that the major differences enter in mainly at eschatological & some ecclesiastic exegesis.

@amberjokid

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment, you basically helped me come to an answer to a question that I asked abovel. Your knowledge of bible study and 40 years of experience and willing to share what you have come to believe has been a great help and blessing to me on this day :)

@ToOpen6seven

5 жыл бұрын

Excellent!! Your comment is pretty much where I stand biblically as well. I don't like labels except the one where I am called a "Born-Again Believer" or "Christian". I thank God that we can know His Holy Word for ourselves and don't have to be caught up in all of these schisms. Again, excellent comment!!

@markar6395

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your response and this is exactly my experience. God has denied me formal training, instead has asked me to teach others. The dispensation paradigm is what seems to be the best and most obvious way to correctly divide the word of truth

@joelauchtung8406

Жыл бұрын

Brother, no human being that has ever lived has ever been unencumbered by a "set of lenses." You don't need a seminary to understand God's word. But we all need a family of God's people for encouragement, support, correction, and at times rebuke. We all get it wrong sometimes. We all need correction. God never intended his word to be only ever read alone in a closet. His design is for us to follow him together.

ANOTHER FINE EXAMPLE OF THE holy spirit LEADING PEOPLE TO VASTLY DIFFERENT "UNDERSTANDING!!!"

@Nivalian

5 жыл бұрын

Iron sharpening iron.

@uncasunga1800

4 жыл бұрын

the holy Spirit is often mimicked never duplicated

@geraldnichols2722

3 жыл бұрын

You must study according to Apostle Paul in 2 Tim. 2:15!

Interesting, I do believe our multiple versions of theology in God is a blessing and a curse. I am not either but I see great points in both. When we draw lines too much that will be and always has been a bad thing. To be truthful, I know Covenant that believe a lot of dispensationalism. I need to do more research and pray on this matter. I'll try and stay away from negative thoughts since negative thoughts never help anyone. 🤔

@Madhatter675

4 жыл бұрын

Nathaniel Davis check out jacob prasch he might help

@geraldnichols2722

3 жыл бұрын

@@Madhatter675 I recommend berean biblesociety .com

@DTBM not trying to nit pick just looking for clarity. If you don't view yourself and fellow "brothers and sisters in Christ" as being grafted into the tree of David's line then how do you interpret the parts that describe this?

@RosewoodBay

3 жыл бұрын

Were does it say believers are grafted into David's line? That makes it sound as if the genealogy is altered. It seems more correct to look at it like in-laws. Yes, your in-laws become part of your family, but they are still a separate line. At the very least, this view of it being like in-laws has to be soundly rebutted before one can claim the sole correct interpretation is that this grafting in makes people actually become Jewish.

@dylansullivan569

3 жыл бұрын

@@RosewoodBay in laws is also correct grafting doesnt make the grafted limb a genetically grown (begitten) piece of the root. The grafted limb does get to partake of the nutrients of the root as if it were begotten though. The wife is not of the same root as the man but is as Adam said made one flesh and one bone with the man. So yes the wedding the grafting the adoption all these paint the picture of our union to our lord whom we were not of but who makes us of him.

@RosewoodBay

3 жыл бұрын

@@dylansullivan569 yes, we do partake of the same nutrients. Then different fruit is produced. If you could graft a grape vine onto an olive tree, that vine would still produce grapes.

@dylansullivan569

3 жыл бұрын

@@RosewoodBay but you cannot graft a squash vine onto a grape vine, if its not possible then that is not the correct interpretation. The Lord didn't use sloppy metaphors in his Book. What is possible is grafting the vines from a non producing plant onto a healthy plant so the grafted vines may bear fruit

@RosewoodBay

3 жыл бұрын

@@dylansullivan569 you're not making sense. I didn't say anything about a squash. I'm not a botanist or a biologist, so forgive me if the example I gave is not up to your standard. The point still stands, which is, you have one type of organism grafted onto another type of organism. Either organism, if they can produce fruit, will still produce the same fruit before and after said grafting. I'm sure you'll want to reply, but I am anticipating that I'm done here. Rest assured, I'll read your reply though.

An excellent comparison between the covenant theological system and the dispensational framework of Scripture.

Anyone else bothered by the fact dispensationalism did not exist the first 1800 years of the Church?

@gregcaceres6676

5 жыл бұрын

Not really. Does it bother you the Protestant church "didn't exist" until the 1500s?

@billymcevoy20

5 жыл бұрын

Greg Caceres That’s actually not accurate. The Protestant reformation is a mixed bag. You have those who wanted to overthrow the Church in a revolutionary way. You also had Luther, who wanted to Reform the Roman Catholic Church and bring it back into the early church had taught. The goal of the reformation was not to restart the Christian Faith, rather it was to reform it and filter all traditions through the lens of scripture.

@gregcaceres6676

5 жыл бұрын

@@billymcevoy20 The point stands: it seems like those ideals of Reformation and scripture lensing didn't exist until the bag started mixing, but really they existed in pockets from the beginning of the church till then. And if not, what does it matter? Just because it wasn't popular doesn't mean it wasn't true. I'd say the same for dispensationalism, after reading my Bible.

@geraldnichols2722

3 жыл бұрын

It existed in the time of Apostle Paul.

@jenex5608

2 жыл бұрын

Before Origen. Allegorical reading was practically non existent. So there's a chance for dispensationlism

3:55 ish would be a word-concept fallacy regarding the Covenant of Works.

A question for the dispensationalist? What do you need a temple for?

@slycooper7687

3 жыл бұрын

This shows you know very little about the dispensationalist viewpoint.

@jbr8916

Жыл бұрын

To eat, to walk around, to speak, etc. "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" (1 Corinthians 6:19)

GOD has ONE people, the Israel of GOD. The Body of Christ, True Israel. We are grafted into the Olive Tree, all who believe whether Jew or Gentile are all connected by the Cross of Jesus Christ. Romans 9-11, Eph, Gal explains it perfectly. Christ is the only way no matter what walk of life you are from

Technically, covenant theology also has the covenant of redemption between the Persons of the Trinity.

The easiest way to understand them both is this: The heart of Covenant Theology= 1 people of God, The heart of Disspensational Theology= 2 people of God. Everything else is informed, in one way or another by what I have mentioned. Dispensationalists claim literal interpretation, yet they fail to see how even Jesus Christ Himself, when speaking about the fulfilment of prophecy, often spiritualized the outcome. I interpret literally, but not literalistically. There is a difference.

@allenbrininstool7558

4 жыл бұрын

General you should read John F. Walvoord. There are currently, two groups of people of God, soon to be one when God fulfills His promises to the Jewish people. The world stage is set for this to occur, if you can't see that, you are blind!

@jgons

3 жыл бұрын

There are one... we are literally “grafted in” as scripture says.

@Truth537

3 жыл бұрын

@@allenbrininstool7558 Hello mate. I have Walvoords book on the Rapture. I know what he teaches and who he is. He is to be respected as a good Christian man, however I am in disagreement (as are many others) with his overall dispensational theology. Your accusation of blindness can't be seen as anything but slightly arrogant my friend. I understand dispensational theology extremely well, having been reared in it and exclusively taught it for about 19 years. I am afraid that it is you who struggle to understand other biblical points of view. FYI, what I affirm here is what the anti-Nicene fathers and the church throughout history taught up until the 1800's. Please study the scriptures again and next time you decide to accuse me of being blind, make sure you are not the one leading others into a pit friend. Take care...:)

Hi pastor, wondering if you can help me understand. Is subscribing to either of these camps (dispensationalism and covenant theology) crucial to one’s salvation? Or is this just simply two systems of interpreting scripture as it pertains mostly to eschatology? Do both believe salvation by grace through faith? Is being a covenant or dispensationalist a secondary issue in the Christian community or a primary issue of salvation?

@davidkunze2770

Жыл бұрын

Hi Sophia, I am 73 years now, and have known Jesus as my Savior since age 7. The first 37 years in open Plymouth B. The last 36 years more in Assembly of God. Both teach dispensational gospel. The literal Bible interpretation is much more litreral and therefore is dispensational, than not. Paul was also. Pray, and follow His leading, know His Word is truth and He can be trusted to completely follow His own Word. Follow the ways of Him, and peace and He will never lead you astray! Blessings

@malawidouglas6464

3 күн бұрын

The answer to your Q is no. Both sides are Christian.

Dr. BARNETT Please explain if spiritual gifts are active today

Dispensational teaching includes the covenant teaching, but the covenant teaching does not include dispensational teaching. To put it in plain words. Up until the Lord Jesus Christ came into the world to redeem fallen mankind, especially the Jews from the curse of the Law, man was under the first covenant. During that time God dealt with man according to the light that he had from God. God has made Himself known down the ages in increasing ways, the creator God, the Almighty God, Jehovah and now in this dispensation as Father, first of the Lord Jesus and us who believe and become part of the family of God by the Spirit of Adoption. When Christ died the 'new covenant' came into play. This superseded the Old Covenant. The Law demanded righteousness from man, which he could not live up to and hence was a ministration of condemnation and death to the people subject to Law. Now we are under Grace. Grace says that we are total failures and cannot merit God's salvation, so God comes in on the merits of what Christ has done by shedding His precious blood for us, dies to deliver us from the curse of a broken Law, and says 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved'. Grace is a ministration of righteousness to the sinner. God the Holy Spirit administers the righteousness of God to us when we believe. What a difference. The Old Covenant condemns them to Hell. The New covenant of Grace reckons righteousness to us thought we do not deserve it. If that isn't love and grace, what is?

@godgivenglory5842

5 жыл бұрын

Lawrence Smeaton You have just explained the Truth of the entire Gospel.

@user-di4su6rl7s

5 жыл бұрын

Amen brother. Great explanation

@cherewilpitz8093

5 жыл бұрын

Lawrence Smeaton 6

@Mrbertbert10

5 жыл бұрын

The curse of the law of Moses ....is done away with when we choose to live the laws of the higher Gospel and we start by hearing and following the Voice of God within us.

@kimberleerivera7062

5 жыл бұрын

Glory To GOD!!! Thank you for that explanation!!! JESUS CHRIST is our LORD and SAVIOUR - The LAMB of GOD!!! The KING of KINGS - The LORD of LORD'S!!!

This was a wonderful explanation. Thank you for posting it.

When I have a question, I come to your channel. I wanted to know about dispensation versus Calvinist.

@judgehenry4157

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't except this as fact on ether. This has much wrong.

Is there a longer version to this?

How could you have all that knowledge and miss the gold...mark twain🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

That was terrible. Not a very good description of Covenant Theology. Go and read the sources. Good place to start - Michael Horton, God of Promise, or Mike Brown, Sacred Bond.

Their are elements of truth in both but God's truth is bigger 🙏

Almost 20 minutes and I only heard Genesis 6 and Acts 9. How far we get when “It is written”

I need to study more of this!

@checkingoutgypsymike2075

3 жыл бұрын

The three best preachers i found are gene kim, robert bresker and peter ruckman for dispensational teachings. Gene kims genesis gap, and electricity in the bible, and robert breakers spiritual energy are three that will give you an idea of how indepth they get into breaking down scripture with scripture. Gene kim has the best scientific background imo, and uses science to prove what's written in the Bible. I was looking into spiritualism, the chakras, neuro and psycho physiology, biochemistry, and electromagnetism to get to the truth of existence. When they couldn't get to the truth i looked into the Bible, and gene kim was the first person that I've heard that proves the truth is in the Bible. I had turned my back to religion because no preacher had proved the existence of God, and what is really in the Bible. Be warned, once you learn the truth, you'll never fit in with most of the world again. You can read the comments on hear and see how people react to the truth, people don't like or can't handle the truth. When you realize we're all sinners dressed in dirty rags, and the only true way to love is by being filled with the Holy Spirit, and it's God working thru us, most people will get offended anytime you start talking about how glorious he is. And this is coming from a long time agnostic back sliding Christian lol. I only deal with facts, fairy tales are not my thing. God bless!

@georgethemonkeydrummer5598

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t make the same mistake as me and heavily rely on either. I got so caught up and overwhelmed with their doctrines that I doubted my faith for a moment.

Dude if the mystery in God was believing will save you without works and it was hidden before the foundation of the world then that means no one back then knew it because it was revealed only to Paul if you read Paul yeah you're confusing people

@geraldnichols2722

3 жыл бұрын

narrow your post is confusing to me!

@inthedark334

3 жыл бұрын

@@geraldnichols2722 I'm talking into a phone so excuse the grammar. When Jesus Christ came into the world he was born of a woman under the law to confirm the promises made unto Israel. The body of Christ did not exist in this time that was spoken about in Paul's Epistles at that time the body of Christ was a secret hidden in God. Jesus offered Israel what they were promised but when he came unto his own his own received him not. They murdered him. Then in Luke 13 7 through 9 God gave Israel a one-year extension of Mercy which started at the Feast of Pentecost and ended with the stoning of Stephen. Then the Lord arrested Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus and made him the Apostle of the Gentiles and revealed unto him a secret that was hidden in God and you gospel call the gospel of the grace of God where you don't have to go through the nation of Israel where salvation is by grace through faith in what Christ did a loan for your soul you no longer have to do Works to be made righteous before God you are made righteous by the faith of Jesus. Your salvation is not kept by you but by the Faith of Christ.

@geraldnichols2722

3 жыл бұрын

@@inthedark334 I agree with that!

Do u believe that the Temple just like in the OT times will be restored in Jerusalem in the near future?

@smeatonlighthouse4384

6 жыл бұрын

The Lord Jesus Christ will return to reign after the Tribulation period. The raptured saints will return with Him in glorified bodies. Christ will reign from Jerusalem just where it is now. It will be a righteous reign when the nations will do what they are told and be subject to Christ as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. There will be a new Temple in Jerusalem. The prince of peace will have complete control of nature and man and the lands will flourish. Israel will possess the land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It will be a glorious time for man on the earth.

@roso2son

6 жыл бұрын

BUT what's the purpose of the TEMPLE?

@nomorewar4189

6 жыл бұрын

Lawrence Smeaton - Revelation 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. So many are confused with earthly Jerusalem and earthly Israel - they do not understand what is being spoken of in those verses. The description of God's ultimate plan for Israel: "In all the land ... two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left ... I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God." [Zech 13:8-9] www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1874.cfm

Abrams Seed will be as the ? The dispensation teaching is a spiritual seed Who is practicing allegory ?

Rev. 5:10 says those from every tribe, nation, language, and nation will reign with Christ on the earth, not just the Jews.

@brianmccauley1377

6 жыл бұрын

1 Corin 10:32?

@sheldonbass4238

6 жыл бұрын

I thought of that too as I was listening. I'm not certain what the speaker meant, unless he's not counting the redeemed who will reign with Christ as part of the earth's population. In other words, we the saved from all nations will be present, yet separate from the earth's population. At that point we will have spiritual bodies but they will not. But please bear in mind that I am merely speculating on the speaker's intent. Blessings.

@kingcorielane8579

6 жыл бұрын

Sheldon Bass what about preterist 🤔

@amberjokid

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was wondering the same but I think he meant they would be the only people as in physical human form living as a regular human on the earth during that time, We will be there also but not living in our physical natural human bodies but our spiritual bodies. Once he collects his church I believe his intent will be to have us with him where ever he might be. A funny thought I had was I doubt he would go through rapturing all his believers and have us with him in heaven for such a short while only to leave us there for another 1000 years to return to earth to prepare yet another place for us to inhabit with him. i think the speaker here is just speaking about a question regarding Israel in specific to the millenium and he may not realize his answer comes across in a way that would make us question the role of believers in the millenium. He did mention a couple times"that for times sake" so he was more than likely trying to give a complete but short as possible answer without branching out into any more details than needed. I dont think his intent was to imply it would only be Jesus and the Jews living on earth absent of the church just that they were distinct and separate in other ways but not separate as in separated literally during that time. Sorry thats my best guess which I know I have not expressed very well lol

@abuelb

6 жыл бұрын

And at the end of a thousand year reign, when the earth is repopulated with, Satan will be let loose to deceive those who have not believe even when Christ reigns physically in the temple for one last time, and Christ will destroy Satan and his followers for the last time and cast them out to the lake if fire forever

I have an opinion too and i disagree with this guy in his interpretation. I’m a covenant believer (not a dispensationalist) and I don’t believe God ever taught salvation through works (Torah) nor do I believe grace came only when God became flesh, Yeshua. I’m not sure what religion he is (I could only watch half) but his assumptions doesn’t fit my theology.

@HANDSMOM05

2 жыл бұрын

i respectfully disagree. I was raised baptist. Cut my teeth in the back of a pew. I am now 52 yrs old. If you ask a baptist do y believe we are under the law and not grace they will tell you no, we are under grace but their actions betray them. They Sooo Believe in works!!

We must rightly divide the word of God to the right time periods.....thats the issue at hand....but actually if we all just focused on the most important commandment then we wouldn't have to argue or debate because we would be too busy loving each other....

Galatians 3 15 To give a human example, brothers:[f] even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. The above is the reason i am not a dispensationalist

We are under the dispensation of grace. Romans 11:6 Faith alone. Romans 4:5-8. John 6:47 Faith alone. Ephesians 2:8-9 Faith alone. Romans 3:26-28 You can not boast in free. Paid in full. No longer condemned John 3:18 First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye MAY KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. If you have eternal life now, how long does it last? Forever. Because it is eternal. And it is a free gift because no sinner can pay his own debt. First John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. John 10:28-29. Romans 11:29 For the GIFTS and calling of God are without repentance. Irrevocable. Can not be changed back. God can not lie. John 6:47 John 6:40 and John 6:29. Calvinism and Arminianism and Lordship salvation are all works based and lead people to hell. Matthew 7:21-23 Trusting in works is not faith in Jesus finished work on the cross. All those trusting in their own works are going to be told, depart from me I never knew you. They never did the will of His Father. John 6:40 Salvation is all grace apart from any works. Romans 11:6 All His AMAZING GRACE, JESUS PAID IT ALL AND WE PAID 0. IT IS FREE. You can not boast in free. Romans 4:5-8 We have to be perfect to go to heaven, and no one is, but when we trust Jesus alone by faith alone, He imputes his perfect righteousness to us and will no more impute sin to our account. He already paid the price for all our sins. First John 2:2. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me HATH EVERLASTING LIFE. Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it. God can not lie.

@joelauchtung8406

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Whether you call it a covenant of grace or a dispensation of grace, either way, it began in Genesis 3 The cross was the culmination of Grace, not the beginning.

@jimkraft9445

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John 3:16-18. Romans 1:16. First John 5:13. Romans 11:6. Romans 4:5. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 3:26-28 For He is the just and the justifier of them that believe in Jesus. Where is boasting then. It is excluded. You cannot boast in a free gift that we did nothing for. It began at the cross for us Gentiles. Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, (First Corinthians 15:3-4) For it is the POWER of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Romans 6:23 For the penalty for sin is death, BUT the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus paid the debt of sin we owe God and set us free. John 3:18. Colossians 2:13. Romans 4:6-8. A gift is paid in full by the GIVER. A reward is something you earn or work for. You cannot earn eternal life. We can only receive the free gift by faith alone apart from any works. Acts 16:31. First John 5:13. These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. First John 2:2 And HE is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. Since Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, then He died for all my sins. Since He died for all my sins I cannot go to hell because I have no sins to pay for. Salvation is a free gift from God apart from any works. Discipleship is for rewards in heaven. Acts 16:31.

@jimkraft9445

Жыл бұрын

Ephesians 3:1-5. The mystery of the church, the day of grace was not known in ages past. The church age was not known until the book of Acts. Acts 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Period. John 6:40. Period. John 6:47. Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that BELIEVETH on me, HATH, (PRESENT TENSE) EVERLASTING LIFE. John 3:18. Believers can no longer be condemned to hell, but unbelievers are condemned already because they have not believed on the name of the Son of God. The instant a person believes on Jesus they are saved forever. First Corinthians 1:18. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish, foolishness, but unto us who are saved it is the POWER Of God. First Corinthians 1:21 For after that, by the wisdom of God, the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching, to save them that BELIEVE. Once you believe it you are saved forever. John 3:16. Jesus said it, we believe it, and that settles it.

@hessmann5356

11 ай бұрын

Yes scripture with scripture!!

@jimkraft9445

11 ай бұрын

Dispensations. Did Abraham depend on Jesus death and resurrection for salvation? No, Romans 4:3 Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him as righteousness. The old testament believers were saved by what truth they had at the time. We are saved by faith alone. Romans 4:5. But to Him that worketh not, but believeth on Him who justifieth the UNGODLY, (all of us) his faith is counted as righteousness. Romans 4:6-8. First Corinthians 5:21. For He who knew no sin, Jesus, became sin for us, so that we might be made the righteousness of God through Him. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise the second we accept the free gift of eternal Life. Acts 16:31. Ephesians 1:13-14. We believe the gospel first given to the saints. First Corinthians 15:1-4. That Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that He was buried and rose again on the Third day, according to the scriptures. Ephesians 4:30. And grieve not the Holy Spirit in whom ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. The rapture of the church. First Corinthians 15:51-53. First Thessalonians 4:13-18. Galatians 2:21 I do not void the grace of God, for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. We are saved apart from works. Romans 3:26-28. You cannot boast in a free gift. Romans 11:6. All grace, no works. Faith alone. Jesus died to save us sinners. He did not come so we could save ourselves. John 3:18 Believers are no longer condemned, but unbelievers are condemned already because they have not believed on the name of the Son of God. What about the tribulation saints? They are saved by faith plus not taking the mark of the beast. Revelation 14:9-13. True believers are dispensationalist. We are in the church age, the age of grace. Jesus took the punishment we deserve and paid our sin debt in full. John 3:18. The seal of the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13, was never given in the old testament. And it will not be given in the tribulation. They will have to trust Jesus and not take the mark of the beast. They are the ones that have to persevere to the end to be saved. First John 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. John 3:16. Jesus said it, we believe it, and that settles it. We have to rightly divide the word of God. The bible never contradicts itself. Acts 16:31. The simplicity of the saving faith. Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, (First Corinthians 15:1-4) For it is the POWER of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVETH, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. I hope this gives some of you understanding. John 6:47. Gods word, and he cannot lie. First John 5:13. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, John 1:12, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. John 3:16. Jesus said it, we believe it, and that settles it. See all you WHOSOEVERS IN HEAVEN. Hebrews 13:5. For He hath said, I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU. Jesus has never lost on sheep. John 6:39. No one can pluck us from His hand. John 10:28-29. We can be chastened by the Lord. Colossians 3:5-6. We can lose the rewards we could have had in heaven, First Corinthians 3:11-15. But our eternal life does not depend on us, but what He did for us. To add any works to the gospel of grace is to make the cross of no effect. Galatians 2:21. John 6:40. John 6:29. John 5:24.

His mind would explode if he found out that most covenant theologians believe God will save ethnic Israel in the future. He clearly studied CT from a non-CT person. It’s all hearsay and over exaggeration.

@joshpeterson2451

3 жыл бұрын

@Steven Irizarry, Unashamedly

This is some solid satire.A TED talk on popular misconceptions. “Acts chapter 9, when Saul became Paul” 😂

This is a caricature of covenant theology.

Finally, someone who can explain this well. Thank you. I understand it now.

Thank you for the clear teaching.

What about people who are in the middle? Like, I think physical Israel still has rights to the land and has an ongoing place in God’s plan, but I do think Ezekiel 40-48 is symbolic.

What about Matthew 25:31-46?

Straw Man arguments of covenant theology

@KingjamesAV1611

4 жыл бұрын

Straw man?? Really! You should hear RC Sproul and his bunch describe Dispensational Theology. Probably best to just stay out of each others camps. Both sides believe its described with injustices in regards to their view.

@benjaminburbank294

4 жыл бұрын

@john doe, how about this for a theology...read the Bible. Do Greek and Hebrew word studies. Let God speak. Be open minded to His voice, and see which side you end up on. Personally, I can’t find any reason to believe in dispensationalism, or the rapture currently with my studies.

@benjaminburbank294

4 жыл бұрын

@εὐαγγέλιον euangélion Ministry, Amen brother! The error of “civilized” cultures. Goes hand in hand with the prosperity gospel teaching, and has been the reason for so many lukewarm Christians. Teaches an attitude of apathy over preparedness. Keep the faith! Put on the whole armor of God that you can withstand in the evil day!

@dehsa38

4 жыл бұрын

@Curtis Hazen Then, if other humans were ignorant of it, it's not valid?

@dehsa38

4 жыл бұрын

@Curtis Hazen Then, if other humans were ignorant of it, that makes it invaid?

Thanks for making a video on things you don't know about.

@bobhawkins2997

4 жыл бұрын

jestlv bizarre statement.

After 2nd coming, Will Lord Jesus sit in the 3rd temple for a 1000 years?

@geraldnichols2722

3 жыл бұрын

The Bible says Christ will rule as King of Israel.

Thank you for this breakdown on Reformed Theology. It’s a theological cancer that’s taken over our churches today. It’s fueling the incorrect belief that there will be no Millennial Kingdom and God has no future plans for Israel and ignore what the verses say. But this is all prophetical bc it’s causing the apostasy in our churches that Paul mentions in 2 Thess 2:3, and Jude warns the church about the apostasy in the last days in the book of Jude. Paul talked at length about the hostility from church members against the Truth in 2 Timothy 3. Thank you for explaining.

When one finds a system that comfortably fits literally around both the following passage, your getting close to the truth. When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. Ezekiel 18:26-27 KJV Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Galatians 2:16 KJV The speaker covers both methods with a broad swipe. Not all dispensationalist are fundamentalist. The fundamentalist takes a passage like Eph 2:8 and fundamentally applies it doctrinally to everyone in scripture, while a Bible Believing Dispensationalist recognizes several methods of salvation. In truth everyone in scripture have the following two things in common: 1. They find salvation by following God's instructions given to them. 2. No one in scripture can go to God's Throne without being covered by the blood of Christ. The blood cannot be spread before it is shed.

@ethanrayment8157

Жыл бұрын

God transcends time. Therefore, his sacrifice does as well there will not be one person in heaven who worked their way there other than God Himself in the person of Jesus Christ.

@olegig5166

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@@ethanrayment8157 I agree, everyone in Heaven will be there because they are covered by the blood. However the Bible shows how the OT Saint did works to prove his/her personal faith. And yes, these works did not get them to Heaven, but doing the works kelp them out of hell as shown in Luke 16. Only after Christ's blood was shed did He go down, preached to them, covered them with His shed blood, and carried them to Heaven. We simply cannot discount the instructions God gave to the OT Saint by applying later given instructions to the Church. I'm afraid you did not rectify the two passages provided together, you merely ignored the one from the OT.

@olegig5166

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanrayment8157 we need to address your first statement in your post that God transcends time. That is certainly a true statement, but can we build theology around it? Any serious Bible student recognizes that when God is interacting with men, He does it in real time. We see the 490 yrs from the book of Daniel playing out in real time. We see the children wondering for 40 yrs., there are many more examples. If the plan of God's great salvation truly transcended time as you say then why did God not tell all those Jews under the Law that they didn't really need do the works of the Temple because some day in the future there is going to be a crucifixion event that will take care of all? I'm afraid you have been duped by some teacher who does not believe every word of scripture by saying all that stuff doesn't matter because God transcends time. Please do your best to answer the following: If the fact that God transcends time truly is in play in His dealing with men then why did not father Abraham go directly to Heaven upon his physical death? At Luke 16 where is Abraham? He is within shouting distance of hell itself!

@olegig5166

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanrayment8157 I'm beginning to think you are a "drive by commentator". They make blanket theological statements with no scriptural proof. One can hear these same comments in many church communities, comments like "we are saved by looking back on the cross while the OT Saint was saved by looking forward to the cross." I heard this for all my young life years, then I read the account of Abraham and Lazarus at Luke 16:19...... after reading this I knew there was a whole lot more Bible to be studied than just denominational quotes. Perhaps you won't respond, that's fine, however I hoped I've planted enough questions and wonderment to encourage you to deeply study the whole word of God. If you do wish to study this topic further on your own, great, search for "dispensational salvation" and a whole world of learning will be opened to you. Today a man named Gene Kim has many KZread videos on the topic. Robert Breaker is another.

We actually should be glad Israel rejected the Messiah. Why? No one would be saved if they didn't. In God's sovereignty He made their free choice work in with His plan, not only to save the Jews, but also the Gentiles. This age is not a parenthesis in God's plan; it is His plan

@stephensummers1958

6 жыл бұрын

True, but God knew they would before he even created the Earth or the Jews.

@MrTeebaba

6 жыл бұрын

I believe it was God's all inclusive plan both for jews and gentiles from the beginning. The israeltes were just a channel with which it was to happen

@akolley1

5 жыл бұрын

Compare and Contrast between... Peter said this- Acts 3:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN. Paul said this- Romans 16:25 King James Version (KJV) 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN, If we believe God's word, and are honest we come to the understanding that God was speaking about two different dispensations through these two men.

@marcyoverby3120

5 жыл бұрын

@@akolley1 This is the truth..much better understsnding of scriptures .that is why i am a despsasionalist.

@olegig5166

5 жыл бұрын

No problem here, had all Israel accepted Jesus as Messiah, then Rome would have killed Him.

Perfect Analysis

There’s a good portion of dispensationalists that would not agree with this framing. They believe salvation was through works in certain dispensations.

Amen, that was a great mini info sermon. Thank you John and God bless 🙏

There is a millenial kingdom coming and Jesus will land on the Mount of Olives and rule with His bride for 1,000 years!

There's no covenant of grace until Genesis 6? Genesis 3:15 (the proto evangelium) "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” This blatant misrepresentation and bearing false witness against those who hold toReformed theology is absolutely shameful.

Does anyone know of someone else who treats both systems fairly. I wouldn’t want to take any kind of course from this bloke.

thank you for your presentation, I am sorry for some of the comments of some brethren that they may be from the covenant theology and did not like to heard the truth of what this system believes and what the catholic background of this system (Agustin). Thank you fro presenting the truth in this time of confussion and liers.

@MrJoebrooklyn1969

2 жыл бұрын

Speak for yourself

@BirchKST

2 жыл бұрын

Dude it's strawman after strawman

Glory To GOD!!! Thank you John Barnett! Finally - I found someone who is willing to talk about these things, thank you, thank you, thank you! John MacArthur - If I remember correctly - also said there are no allegories in the Bible. I pray GOD will continue to bless you with HIS TRUTHS!!!

@mweber5459

3 жыл бұрын

Also watch Dr Andy Woods

@joelauchtung8406

Жыл бұрын

Except for that fact there are all kinds of allegories in the Bible....

do we find these "theologies" in NT? Why didn`t apostle Paul or any other apostle explain us any of these theories? is any of these two theories(teologies)the teaching of apostles or prophets or even Christ? Eph.2:20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner {stone,}

The modern day church is confusing people and turning them with all doctrinal disagreements and especially the whole "denomination" deal. Christ crucified and risen is all that matters, it's all about him. I'm a lilnconfused myself with some things, I've never heard a dispensationalist teach replacement theology, I wouldn't be one if they did, what covenant are we under if not grace? That only leaves the law,correct or am I missing something?

One is based on scripture and the idea that God is immutable and doesn't change, the other empty words and vain doctrines of men, based on the false idea that God has changed many times in how he deals with man. I'm not a Calvinist and I'm not a Marcionite dispensationalist.

@REAL88E

5 жыл бұрын

Then what are you?

@geraldnichols2722

3 жыл бұрын

Elwood M. Buel According to you then, the 12 apostles understood and accepted that Jesus told them He was going to Jerusalem to die on a cross; when the scripture reads that they objected and knew nothing of such a plan. Hmmmm.

@Hebrew42Day

3 жыл бұрын

@@REAL88E a follower of the way of Righteousness as Messiah lays out. Read Acts, and tell me what is taught. It's not Calvinism or dispensationalism. It's following the Righteousness of Messiah, as the Father laid out in Torah by spirit and truth.

@Hebrew42Day

3 жыл бұрын

@@geraldnichols2722 they were spiritually blinded to it as scripture proclaims. "Had they known he was the Lord of Glory, they would have never let him be crucified" Read and believe the words of the Lord, Jesus. What does he tell the rich young ruler who asks him, "good master, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Believe in me? No. Obey Torah, in spirit and truth. Sell all he had, and follow Him. Which is what we see the early believers doing, except Ananias and Sephira. They lied about selling all, and both died for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

@geraldnichols2722

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hebrew42Day Sir, respectfully you are confused. By not knowing Christ's plan of the cross, what were Jesus and his apostles teaching but a different way of dealing with mankind than after the cross? God had been dealing (administering) to Israel for years without mention of the cross and free grace issuing from it. That was another dispensation than the one Paul taught.

You are wrong. Covenant theology is not Calvinist. You people make the word of GOD confusing.

@karenturner8322

6 жыл бұрын

Kathy Softsong you are right this was incorrect and confusing

@lockshore1

5 жыл бұрын

Well, most people who adhere to covenant theology are calvinist. This has to do with historical Confessions of faith. Not only being reformed in soteriology, but also confesionaly.

@nth7273

5 жыл бұрын

he said "almost 100%" of them are Calvinist which is true he didn't say Covenant = Calvinist

So, how was man saved in the Old Testament?

Jesus is coming back so let's look forward to that blessed day.

As if these are the only two options. I'm plain Evangelical, not Charismatic, not reformed Calvinist

@pcjenkin

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you can get lost in "isms" and "ologies" Worship Christ, pray for forgiveness of sins, and you probably have a good start.

@lightfoot7098

3 жыл бұрын

As in the letter to Hebrews said, You are a milk drinking babe You all will grow up surely then you will eat meat like Calvinism

@elliottsmiles170

3 жыл бұрын

@@lightfoot7098 Little meat on that bone

a nasty miss representation of covenantal theology

@demetriusmiddleton1246

5 жыл бұрын

Can you point me to a resource that gives what you would consider an honest interpretation of covenant theology? I'm asking sincerely because I really want to know what it seems like everywhere I read or watch someone says that's a misrepresentation. But they offer no sources to what's a true good representation

@KingjamesAV1611

5 жыл бұрын

@@demetriusmiddleton1246 yes, please give us some sources/videos/web sites. I want to know more!

@joshpeterson2451

4 жыл бұрын

Introducing Covenant Theology by Michael Horton is a good starting point.

@demetriusmiddleton1246

4 жыл бұрын

@@joshpeterson2451 thank you! Is THAT a source that all who claim they're misrepresented would agree does NOT misrepresent them? Is that part of the covenantal canon? And im not being facetious. I just would hate to read that and then half of the misrepresented crowd say THAT ALSO doesn't represent them clearly. Lessiam - since you made the claim, is that book a good resource? Or Josh - do you also believe that this video misrepresents covenant theology and that book would clear up misconceptions? Thank you!

@honeycomb9273

4 жыл бұрын

Demetrius Middleton I learned Covenant Escatology from Don Preston and William Bell at All Things Fulfilled. These guys give an excellent explanation.

A few errors. Genesis 3:15 is where the covenant of grace is first mentioned. And also covenant theology does not teach about Christians taking over the world.

God would have given them all the land, but because of their sins they limited what God was doing for them

This has so many historical errors that how could we believe anything he says. Really a messed up presentation!

@KingjamesAV1611

4 жыл бұрын

Such as what exactly??

@RL-vv7or

4 жыл бұрын

@@KingjamesAV1611 Such as he doesn't tell the truth about what Covenantal Theology means- probably because he doesn't understand it. He totally misrepresented Covenant Theology. He bore false witness.

@KingjamesAV1611

4 жыл бұрын

@@RL-vv7or .....i understand but what specific points are wrong?? Can you explain covenant theology

@far204

4 жыл бұрын

Okay wise man. Explain what covenant theology is please. Enlighten us.

Allegory is a slippery slope....it does not work for interpretation. Take the literal sense first, then go from there. John F. Walvoord

@Bruce_Peters

5 жыл бұрын

Do you realize that your very salvation rests upon allegory? Also the two major rites of the church that you probably practice(d) - communion and baptism - are both allegory (symbolism). Protestants think the RCC is heretical in part because they believe in transubstantiation.

@michaelborg5798

4 жыл бұрын

Bruce Peters He’s speaking about biblical Interpretation, not about how the Bible was written. The Bible isn’t an allegory, it has many different literary style but not allegorical. Here is what an allegory is. Although an allegory uses symbols, it is different from symbolism. An allegory is a complete narrative that involves characters and events that stand for an abstract idea or event. A symbol, on the other hand, is an object that stands for another object, giving it a particular meaning. Unlike allegory, symbolism does not tell a story. The Bible actually happened in real time and actual events.

Dose dispensationalism teach that the church will be resurected before millennium?

So what do we call ourselves if we don't agree with either?

@fightintheshade

Жыл бұрын

“Christians”

Beware those who present the beliefs of those they disagree with.

Horribly misrepresenting Covenant Theology, you should be ashamed!

@slimpickens0000

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I knew as soon as he started talking about allegories that he was way off. Especially the whole Silver Spoon thing, he was just mocking then.

Where did you see a horse in Acts chapter 9 , I don,t think the Bible says anything about Paul riding a horse

I would really like to know where the 144,000 are referred to as "evangelist" in the book of Revelation. This is something that's thrown around all the time but it has absolutely no Bible basis.