Sold our camp. Have hunted the UP every year since 1989. Hunted downstate in 2023. Killed a very nice buck too. I miss the UP but unless things change, I won’t be hunting there again.

Wisconsin deer hunters are also suffering. We have a huge problem with predators, especially timberwolves. As long as they are poorly managed, this problem will never end.

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

You have no bridge. They can be moved south easier in Wisconsin. Let the migration begin

This was the worst year of deer hunting in my 23 years of hunting iron county. We have more wolf trail cam pics than deer by a 3 to 1 ratio. This is my last year hunting in the UP as I'm selling my land. This is only getting worse, and I'm done wasting my limited time

@Just_in_time_outdoors

4 ай бұрын

Hunters need to take things into their own hands

@phillipthewise7758

4 ай бұрын

@@Just_in_time_outdoors I know a few that will soon.

I live 24/7/365 in the south-central wilderness U.P. - a destination for deer migrating out of the Lake Superior snow belt. As usual, no sign of yarding in this region and I'm seeing steady deer numbers again this winder with another mild winter in progress. This season from gun season through muzzleloader season, I attribute my low deer sighting numbers during shooting hours to nocturnal movement caused by the unusually mild temperatures. An alarming observation I do take away is noticeably low fawn density. I see it in the sign when snow tells the story. Deer are foraging on my property and around my residence all year - fawn numbers are clearly down after a number of mild severity winters leading to this year. Black bears are a major fawn depredation predator. Because they do most of their damage at night and don't howl or travel in packs, this is a shadow predator. While bear guides/hunters with dogs are busy here starting late summer through the season - my bear sign occurrence frequency is noticeably up in recent years. A preponderance of evidence from many corroborating sources is developing - wolf/bear/coyote & stray dogs depredation is taking a toll on our herd. We should demand action from the DNR. I don't hunt bears, but this cumbersome point accumulation system amounts to a deterrent from bear hunting to a lot of us. Also, like states in the west - it's time to turn management of the wolves over to this state!

@jonstafford2691

Ай бұрын

Well said, I agree. The warm weather during the first week of rifle season was unlike any I can remember in the western U.P. My camp in baraga co hit 68 degrees on Nov 16th. Deer movement was minimal and mostly at night. We do get a few wolf pics every year on trail cams but not many. They seem to travel a large area. Our group of 3 hunters took one deer the first week of rifle season. I returned for the opener of muzzle load season and took a buck on the second day. We were back to normal December weather with some snow. Deer should be in great shape coming out of the record mild winter of 2024.

I would love to see a spring bear hunt in the UP.

I live in Iron county by Crystal Falls my neighbor showed me pic of 9 wolves about 1/4 mile from my house, their also is at least 12 coyotes in my immediate area! In February There where 2 deer taken down right on the lake I live on, the herd from before season went from 15 to 3 deer left as of the13th of feb,. I'm done buying licence till things change!

Don’t let them feed that line of crap. If they can legalize marijuana and ignore federal laws. They can manage wolves they just won’t.

@wdtaut5650

4 ай бұрын

Good point.

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely! True! Purpose driven tyranny! They are managing them; by not managing

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely right! This is purpose driven. What tyranny looks like.

@thomas9565

4 ай бұрын

Please spread this talking point, because it’s the damn truth as much as possible. Thanks.

Theres plenty of browse, the winters have been easy, they yard up just fine, private conservation is fine, more bear tags please, lions are getting worse too, but NEED wolf seasons

Good episode that's right on point with the deer issues in the U.P. Gary Gorniak and George Lindquist certainly passed along some great information. Like usual though, Richard Smith contradicts himself by first saying that we need fewer bears to build up the deer population and then he goes on about how we have to many deer now in the U.P. and need to kill more. Chad Stewart provided no real solutions to the U.P. deer issues even though it is his job to do so.

The biggest issue is getting officials to move resolutions through, sitting on their thumbs resolves nothing and it only frustrates everyone on the realistic side!!

It's not a onion with layers....it's predation.

by the time the dnr reacts it'll be too late..

@dustinwaldron2010

4 ай бұрын

Typical government especially Michigan

The coyote packs have started to be put in check along the southern border, and the deer herds here have started to improve. There is a lot of coyote hunters here now, even hunters from Indiana and ohio because the packs are so big here.

@wdtaut5650

4 ай бұрын

Michigan used to pay a bounty on coyotes. There weren't very many around then.

It would be another government mistake by not having hunters be included in their program. My camp is about half wintering grounds and halt high grounds. In the spring to end of summer my trail cam pics are probably 8-1 best. They need to increase bear permits like Richard talked about

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

Welcome to tyranny. Keep voting for Demoncrats

Department of Natural Resources. The job description is in the title. They have not done their job imo... Where do all of our dollars go?

3:25 What? You mean they can't just open a file drawer and see their own numbers from 2020, 2021 and compare them to the reported numbers from 2022 and 2023? Or, is it they don't want to tell us how far off the numbers are. 6:38 Michigan used to pay a bounty on coyotes. They weren't a problem in those days. 6:44, 9:23 I remember some years ago, the DNR said bears were responsible for about 30% of U.P. deer predation. I may not remember that right, but it was a high number. 10:07 "...the DNR cannot manage the wolf population..." Simple answer to that is - don't. All state, county, and local officials just ignore wolf deaths. Stop enforcing federal regulations. Let PETA, Sierra Club, Audubon, and Humane Society try to enforce federal laws on wolves. 10:41 Anyone else remember DRIP, Deer Range Improvement Program? All the hours and dollars that sunk into that, where's the improvement? Didn't the improvements last? Did they ever work at all? Why will it be different this time? 17:09 Prediction, based on personal experience - The purpose of the Deer Management Initiative groups is to have the appearance of doing something, to placate hunters by giving them a forum. Why do they have "a couple of biologists... _and a law enforcement officer_ "? It's to remind hunters who has the power. Will the members of the public, especially those "representing a larger group", be chosen based on their political influence? Let's just say I am skeptical.

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

Purpose driven by tyrants

@scootter37

4 ай бұрын

Spot on. Since the late 90's the u.p. deer numbers have been declining every year and it coinsides with the rise in the wolf population.

One other view…if the DNR refuses to open up wolf control….hunters who know need to drop wolves and be willing to walk away to secure the future of hunting.

Have more wolves more coyotes more bear deer can not recovering

Problem number 1- Tribal hunting regulations. Problem number 2- Wolves. Problem number 3- Cutting of the deer yards. The wolves kill their share of deer, but I have a tribal neighbor who between him and his family, with their allowed tribal tags killed 18 deer last year. The tribal rifle season runs from September until January 7. They wait until the major migration is on and shoot the mature Does. Not only does this kill probably three deer at once but that matriarch elder who passes very important habits to the young is gone. Therefore, the deer that do survive do not know how to survive for next year. Michigan could take some notes from western states. Out west, human presence isn't even allowed in animal migration and wintering areas. In Michigan, that's where the tribal members go to hunt.

@patrickpryal9344

4 ай бұрын

But I'm sure the tribes are required to report how many deer they kill, right? LOL

@joebuck906

4 ай бұрын

That’s the problem. Tribal hunters are required to report their harvest but those numbers aren’t factored in to the DNR’s harvest report.

Oh my word…..

Don't bother with vermont unless you like "little"ones.

Stop the 2 buck state wide

I found this show to be very objective and balanced. I would agree that private landowners that have deer yards on their property should have an incentive to maintain those yards. I disagreed with Gary Gorniak when he states that non-hunters should not be part of any study group put together by the DNR. I personally am a non-hunter, but I am not anti-hunting, a clear difference. I simply enjoy seeing wildlife, be that of the birds in my backyard, or the deer, wolves, and black bear at the Porkies. I do understand the frustration of the hunters and the DNR with the wolf situation, because any legal means to control that predator population is out of the hands of local control. But the wolf is not the only predator, and a wolf hunt is not in and of itself a silver bullet. Great show, and great interviews to go along with the show. Do watch the entire interviews on the podcast.

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

You got zero skin in the game.

@WilliamEricStone

4 ай бұрын

@@REIronminer I am a resident of the state of Michigan, means I have as much right to have my voice hear as any other resident, hunter or non-hunter. Also, while I do not hunt my sons do, and so I would like that resource to be managed for them. I was just having lunch a few hours ago with my friends that do hunt, and I mentioned to them that one of the comments that came from the show is that some of the piss poor management of wildlife in the UP comes from the belief that, "there will always be deer here", that is wishful, magical thinking, and not science. They were in perfect agreement with me because they know me and understand I do have "skin in the game", when it comes to the UP.

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

You do not have any skin in the game. You have done nothing as a conservationist… You do not hunt; you comment, like the DNR Commission ….@@WilliamEricStone

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

You don’t hunt . You don’t manage. No conservation. No skin in the game. Just talk..Like DNR Commission.@@WilliamEricStone

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

You absolutely don’t. None.@@WilliamEricStone

Ain’t no damn deers nowhere’s up here . Holy wah

The real problem in Michigan is 58,984 deer-involved crashes in Michigan in 2022. Wolf kills don’t even come close to any of this in any particular manner. You’re barking up the wrong tree. Literally. Hunters you want more deer tell your friends and neighbors to quit driving. I’m sure you know somebody that’s hit one this year.

Vermont is terrible too!

What happens when the deer herd gets so low that the predators start looking for livestock and pets. Your kids won't even be able to play in the yard.

@honeybadgerstudios21

4 ай бұрын

1) I can tell you watch Fox News by your rationale, 2) you don’t understand how populations operate, 3) yes there should be a predator hunting season but the DNR needs to do a better job at communicating why to the public who doesn’t hunt, if you recall a vote on hunting wolves did not pass when it was put on the ballot.

@freedom7567

4 ай бұрын

​@honeybadgerstudios21 And it says a lot about what kind of person you are for assuming where I get my news.

@patrickpryal9344

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, because of all the liberal "wolf snugglers" downstate !@@honeybadgerstudios21

@patrickpryal9344

4 ай бұрын

It passed because of all the libtards downstate !@@honeybadgerstudios21

What a shame. Yooper deer populated the Midwest last century. Now yall think 3 pointers are trophies. Don’t think it’s y’all’s fault tho. Non hunting factors ie, wolves, bears, coyotes, winter weather. One day I’ll go back to Ontonagon Co but not until this gets straightened out. Hunt predators, it’s not sexy and not popular on KZread however very necessary.

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

Larger the better…

Start trapping!

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

Amen

100 grand, 😂 what’s that gonna do.

Well...DNR tells us the wolves and the mountain lions are coming from the west.....and the declines are dramatic in the west and decline as you go east.

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

I’m confused

The wolves in the mount lions are the biggest problem in the UPS, hands-down for some reason the DNR don’t want to see that I don’t know what else you Gotta do there’s trail cameras of both wolves and mountain lions. I don’t understand what they’re waiting for it’s the wolf lovers who are the problem and they will sue in the state, don’t wanna lose money

@Icutmetal

4 ай бұрын

Huh?

@brettharnisch6952

2 ай бұрын

Guy is smashed!!! 🍻

Need to stop talking about severe winters, we just have not had any lately

The deer herd is in SAD shape. 😢

Lmfao wolfs have always been hear I have a rule book from 1957 that states open season on wolfs !!!!! My grandpa is 82 an remember being able to hunt them up to the mid 60s . Done being lied too as a sportsman an a hunter sad sad sad . Time for people to research are history hear in the upper pensiala!!!!!!! Want proof rocking chair deer camp on KZread get too middle there in the 1960 an they show two wolfs that was shot !!! Over it an spook my mind .

I'm not suprised but sceptical about self-reported figures. Hunters can express questionable beliefs.

DNR= Do Nothing Right....

Stop feeding the deer no bait 1 buck tag not 2

@REIronminer

4 ай бұрын

You been to da fire station this morning already?

Folks you have to realize this is & has been purpose driven. Keep voting for Dems. Bigger government is alwayz the answer.

@BobPeterson-rw9yw

4 ай бұрын

yes, Joe Biden stole your deer, got it.

One other view…if the DNR refuses to open up wolf control….hunters who know need to drop wolves and be willing to walk away to secure the future of hunting.