Hmm, let's learn about dieselgate... 20 minutes later - the guy who designed the DeLorean also designed pasta?!?

@lustfulvengance

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 so true!! He went DEEP with this documentary

@nslouka90

4 жыл бұрын

And cameras!

@SlackActionBumble

4 жыл бұрын

I'm just surprised his pasta wasn't a bunch of sharp triangles called deloreoni

@BELCAN57

3 жыл бұрын

@@SlackActionBumble It had a lot of promise, but just couldn't deliver...

@nunyabidness674

2 жыл бұрын

@@BELCAN57 and for some reason, all the testers would break out in cold sweats, were highly agitated and swore there were ninjas on the lawn

"There are many places you can choose to start talking about dieselgate. I chose a time when vw used concentration camp prisoners to build Beetles"

@trossk

4 жыл бұрын

You mean P.O.W camps?

@sixdeuces6825

4 жыл бұрын

Ringo, or? ;)

@GoldenGrenadier

4 жыл бұрын

He chose to start 3 and a half minutes in instead of saving that exposition for the end of the video.

@mentok3027

4 жыл бұрын

The juxtaposition between VW's actions and the beliefs of it's core customers always baffled me. Most V-dub enthusiasts tend to be far left artsy hippy environmentalist types. You think of VW and it conjures up images of 60's vanagons and stoner hippys with flowers in their hair, or some 90's granola chick in her Jetta blasting Ani Difranco, or a gamer nerd with a stanced gti with a sticker of his waifu on the glovebox. The new Beetle has a flower vase built into the dash ffs. People forget that these were designed by Nazi's, built by enslaved Jews, and purchased by Ted Bundy! Them skirting emissions in a car that is billed as an enviro-friendly fuel sipper is the ultimate irony. It's not like Pontiac in 73 with the SD-455 trying to cheat the system. Anyone purchasing a Trans Am in 1973 gave zero fucks about the environment they just wanted to be faster than the next guy. It's so backwards they could probably come out with an Auschwitz Edition Jetta with a horn that said heil hitler and people would just think it was edgy

@FayezButts

4 жыл бұрын

@@mentok3027 The power of marketing, babey!

Roman's natural voice sounds like it comes out pre-compressed to 240p

@kbbrown8154

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like it was recorded in the middle of the night while trying not to keep the housemates up.

@ArthurCheesebag84

4 жыл бұрын

Kb Brown Shhhhhhh you're shouting.

@josephfetz1748

4 жыл бұрын

No, it just sounds like he shouldn't have done it and it was simply a bad idea.

@penguinsscareme

4 жыл бұрын

It's too bad, because he's got a great face for radio.

@travellifewithjobo5740

3 жыл бұрын

I hated his voice,but wanted to hear the story,after 20 minutes,I switched off

Roman coming in clutch during the quarantine

@Alex-di8ti

4 жыл бұрын

Is that a pun?

@osahinmartinez3371

4 жыл бұрын

1000%

@Alex-di8ti

4 жыл бұрын

@@osahinmartinez3371 Its magnificent

@ravenalbright8893

4 жыл бұрын

Osahin Martinez af

@cmw184

3 жыл бұрын

Oh silly willy. If only you knew that they lied to us.

I have an idea for an RCR story : The rise and Fall of British Leyland

@derekguitarmax9140

4 жыл бұрын

joshua gale this!!!

@CW-pu4yb

4 жыл бұрын

Clarkson did it already

@digitalrailroader

4 жыл бұрын

C W true, but it would be interesting of the Rise and Fall of BL from an American point of view.

@arielatom03

4 жыл бұрын

joshua gale thats gonna take more than 3 years tho.

@vadim6385

4 жыл бұрын

@@digitalrailroader a bunch of brits have managed to make even worse cars than we did. They went out of business for some reason. Seriously, an American can't relate to that. No more than they can relate to The Rise And Fall Of Lada.

I wonder how many ECU tuners knew about this but kept their mouth shut

@Pavorish

4 жыл бұрын

Emissions? Never heard of 'em.

@pfacka

4 жыл бұрын

All of them. Or more precisely all who had at least basic understanding of what they are doing. Now there is trend of importing diesel cars from Germany to countries like Ukraine where they does not have emission restrictions. First thing they do is cut DPF out, weld in straight pipe, remap and enjoy better performance and fuel economy.

@miralemnermina142

4 жыл бұрын

@@pfacka Ukraine doesn't have taxes on diesel cars and Germany has high taxes for diesel cars as of 2020, that's why they do it

@IstasPumaNevada

4 жыл бұрын

@@pfacka Yaaaaaay acid rain (among other things).

@nobodysfavourite6953

4 жыл бұрын

@@IstasPumaNevada who cares about Ukrainian laws, you can bribe your way out of a multiple child rape there if you have a few dollars

I worked at a vw dealer in 2010 in sales. The TDIs were very popular and easy to sell. One of the techniques we used to show how clean they were was to put a cloth to the exhaust, rev it, then have the customer smell the rag. It always smelled like laundry. No one understood how it worked, and I couldn't explain it at all (because it also didn't make sense to me). They eventually sent me to a vw sales course to learn about all the features and benefits of their cars, and I was excited to finally understand how "clean diesel" worked. The instructor explained that the soot was held in a canister until a time when the ignition and exhaust system burned up the soot even smaller and shot it all out the tail pipe every few thousand miles. When I insisted we discuss this further, because that didn't sound clean at all, and it sounded sneaky, I was literally yelled at by the instructor for taking up too much time and that it really was clean. I told them that there was no way vw invented a magical car and I wasn't comfortable selling it as if it were. I told a lot of my friends about this and felt vindicated when one of them texted me when the story finally broke. If only VW just had a way to empty the canister of soot responisbly, then I bet they could have avoided all this. Oh well, they own Audi, Porsche, Bugatti, Seat, and I'm sure others. They'll be fine.

@sergeantspeed5941

4 жыл бұрын

The method of how soot is removed from the atmosphere is how all diesels are. All these clean idle trucks do the exact same thing, they don't burn the soot in the canister until you're at highway speeds. It's not actively keeping the environment clean, it simply keeps trucks from polluting in cities, by moving the noX and soot to the country

@werepat

4 жыл бұрын

Really? This was exactly what I said. That they're crapping out super fine particulates, which I think are worse than larger particles, in all the nicest areas. We were in California at the time and I mentioned that most of the best surf spots were along the highway, so these "clean diesels" are simply poisoning me and my friends directly. No one likes a drama queen, though, and they haughtily moved on to the next topic.

@werepat

4 жыл бұрын

Which is almost what they stated. Except they emphasized that it was perfectly clean, and unlike any other diesel engine out there. They stated it was cleaner than gasoline, better than electric, and the best option for any vehicle. None of that day well with me, and apparently, not with the EPA, either.

@bansheemania1692

4 жыл бұрын

Diesel engine Likes to stay at One Set rpm and Run. My Friend had a Passat and We always did the Italian tune up once a week. It would Roll coal for a minute and it would be fine. 210,000+Miles on it

@KraknSkulls

4 жыл бұрын

werepat The DPF isn’t really what the emissions scandal is about though, the government was more concerned about the excess NOx emissions. All diesel pickup trucks and big rigs also have DPFs and most meet regulations (although the standards are more relaxed for larger vehicles)

"We're in an age where people [...] drive unnecessarily." I, too, remember February...

@MongooseTacticool

4 жыл бұрын

I also really miss last year when everything was fine.

@SI0AX

3 жыл бұрын

@@MongooseTacticool I don't really honestly. I can now commute to and from work without a traffic jam and only have to go 3 times a week. Now more companies are allowing you to make online orders to get it delivered to your house. Certification exams that had to be performed in a center can now be done in your house. Government registration can now be done in a website and not in an insanely slow government facility with inept employees. Also I can now safely invest in companies affected by the corona-virus and make a profit. The only annoying thing is buying something in a store or a service etc because they are inflating the prices like crazy. I'm forced to work and paint my own car due to the ridiculous corona-virus overcharges like 4 times more expensive prices for service.

@sockshandle

3 жыл бұрын

@@SI0AX well lucky you that your town/city can afford an extensive mass transit system (meanwhile us out in the countryside have to commute in private cars)

@SI0AX

3 жыл бұрын

@@sockshandle LMAO I wish! There *is* a transit system, but it is borderline useless. *If* you live in near a government built community and your destination is within walking distance then you can take a bus, otherwise you need a private vehicle no matter where you live no matter how broke you are. There is a train but you have to live like right next to the train and your destination has to be within walking distance from any of the trains stopping points, which is *very* highly unlikely so you will need a private vehicles to drop you off to the station and pick you up from the other destination and see if you actually save any money. Many people that can't afford a car just use a small Chinese scooter with an open face helmet. TL:DR: A private vehicle is *essential* for *everyone* to go about their lives.

@Nick-ue7iw

3 жыл бұрын

@@SI0AX Yet at the same time all this going online drive a fierce feeling of isolation. There is no mistake in rising alcoholism and suicides during this time. Many cannot cope well with not having human contact during daily activities.

These videos must take ages to research, write and present. I have unlimited respect for you guys for making these enjoyable and informative videos. Thank you

@user-iy4sh9nz1m

4 жыл бұрын

I have unlimited respect for you and your thick member

@oConshien

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-iy4sh9nz1m youtube. brilliant.

@VoreAxalon

3 жыл бұрын

FcknA

Everybody always said VW's were over-engineered. Nobody ever thought that included the software too.

@coreygolphenee9633

Жыл бұрын

They haven't been over engineered since the 60s

@jamesbowen2105

Жыл бұрын

@@coreygolphenee9633 they've been the primary source of ANY engineering worth having since 1969.5 with the launch of the Jet-Tronic AI driven digital fuel injection to increase performance and economy while reducing bad emissions in real time this core has spawned the integrated traction control abs eco turbo tech and every other modern integrated safety and performance system/software package that operate ALL currently legal vehicles in US and EU. This includes stragglers like Toyota and Honda. Excess nitrous oxide in exhaust is not as bad as tolerated poisons in gasoline engines, also came out that the VW deisels were the cleanest of clean deisels on market Benz, BMW and all other manufactories deisels were found to be much worse across the board. Deiselgate was a purely political attack on the only auto manufacturer proactively addressing environmental issues and dispersing the The tech to competitors. VW has been strong armed into giving close to 1 trillion in technical aid to competing japanese companies that were incapable of meeting modern standard s on they're own. They also paid .7 trillion to US govt and another voluntary .5 trillion to customers in upgrade Trades and debt forgiveness.

Boeing learned Volkswagon's lesson well. Boeing to engineers, get the job done or get fired. Result: 346 dead.

@vulekv93

4 жыл бұрын

They also did their cover-up quite well... Really faced the music gracefully... Really makes you trust in humanity.

@LL-cz5ql

4 жыл бұрын

@@vulekv93 corporations*

@GeorgeTsiros

4 жыл бұрын

@@LL-cz5ql corporations where never trustworthy. It's humanity that we're still figuring out if it should be trusted or not. Then again, such questions are pointless. Still fun tho.

@Bartonovich52

3 жыл бұрын

Outsourcing the code is a red-herring. In aviation, the code is so simple and gone through line by line to ensure it meets the standards. No code would have been able to prevent what happened after a single point hardware failure that told the MCAS system the plane was at too high of an angle of attack. The problem was the design. It should have taken data from both AoA vanes.. and in the case of a miscompare or a nocompare, deactivated the MCAS system. And those standards were able to pass because it was Boeing, not the FAA, who was validating it, and savings far beyond the simple outsourcing of code.

@dantesinfernopurgatory7826

3 жыл бұрын

@@vulekv93 Remember this: 1) Humans suck. 2) See #1 Keeping this in mind during your lifetime means you'll never be disappointed.

Bit late, but here's the chapters: 0:00 Prologue 3:25 Chapter 1 13:54 Chapter 2 37:17 Chapter 3 1:02:30 Chapter 4 1:12:27 Epilogue

When I was working at a full-service gas station, I noticed that new diesel Benzes and BMWs required adding diesel exhaust fluid to a reservoir every few fillups. For some reason, VWs and Audis didn’t. They had smaller engines, though, so I didn’t think much of it until dieselgate broke. Just this year, my dad bought a refurbished Passat TDI and we noticed that they've added a DEF reservoir.

the attempted porsche take over of volkswagen would also be a great rcr story. espcially the head butting between piech and wiedeking

Very interesting information that you put together for this video. As for Dieselgate, that was a cash cow for me. I purchased a 2015 TDI Passat one month before the scandal broke. Nothing like 0 % interest for 72 months, to put some cash in your pocket. I had a new car for 18 months and they paid me everything spent on payments, plus the $500 Visa gift card, as well as the $1000 card to spend at the dealership. In the end we purchased a 2014 Jetta SportWagen with the TDI and had it paid off in 11 months. I am torn on thanking the people who figured out the cheat, because I sure did like the 50+ MPG on the freeway that I got in the Passat. But I sure do like the fact I don't have a car payment as well.

"an engine that uses more expensive fuel" I remember when diesel fuel was CHEAPER than gasoline. It was less refined and didn't have sky-high taxes.

@xddstudiosbywr3cked845

2 жыл бұрын

in germany, it still is

@RhodokTribesman

2 жыл бұрын

As if every truck bro doesnt already remove the DPF. They dont really help their case for the possibilities of diesel

@astridlindholm1159

2 жыл бұрын

Diesel is cheaper than gasoline no? At least in the EU it is

Where should I look for compilation of all GM, Harley-Davidson, Ford and whatever other US car companies scandals that only got a slap on the wrist?

@Membrane556

4 жыл бұрын

The Vega engine which was trash and the Pinto where lives were risk to save $80 per car.

@dudenoone1712

4 жыл бұрын

Its a matter of twisted priorities. Safety and fraud take a backseat to pleasing the enviro cult.

@CreatureOutOfTime

4 жыл бұрын

@@dudenoone1712 this is where I would like to verify the difference between saving environment and pleasing envirocult. The infamous Green Deal, eliminating all forms of carbon pollutant and banning plastic bags is stupid. Selling low emission cars for huge cities so you could breath in there and building windmills in Europe because there is no more room for coal mines there is fine with me.

@majorcalvary6515

4 жыл бұрын

Harley has to cheat even on gas engine?

@GrayRohan

4 жыл бұрын

@@majorcalvary6515 yup caught them with their pants down...but they pulled a bullshit one...as Mr.regular explained on the golf review All the did was write a check to epa while chanting to the 4 skies SUPPORT OUR TROOPS SUPPORT OUR TROOPS...and just like that it went under the radar

I have an idea for an RCR story: The Takata Airbag Scandal

@deltariuns2315

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Dieselgate affected millions of Volkswagens. Airbag-gate affected tens of millions of cars around the world.

@adrianh.6285

4 жыл бұрын

@@deltariuns2315 Dieselgate really only affected 1 German car manufacturer (2 if you include Audi). Takata Airbags affected multiple car manufacturers from various countries (Japanese, German, American, etc.)

@glinchdk

4 жыл бұрын

@@adrianh.6285 5 if you count Seat, Skoda and Porsche. All brands that has a worldwide presence.

@adrianh.6285

4 жыл бұрын

@@glinchdk Oh ok. Because in the video, he only mentions the VW and Audi vehicles affected.

@DoublePortalInc

4 жыл бұрын

@@adrianh.6285 Yeah those two are the only ones sold in North America. Skoda and Seat also have turbodiesels but are only sold in Europe, where VW TDI's are still being sold today.

I'm really glad there's a car channel run by academics.

@ricky-sanchez

4 жыл бұрын

Car channel run by redditers?

@eldesgraciado6690

3 жыл бұрын

The problem with academia is that they mass produce silly socialists.

@StevenZephyc

2 жыл бұрын

@@eldesgraciado6690 what so you expect? One thing about academia is about SHARING discoveries.

@edd2184

2 жыл бұрын

@@eldesgraciado6690 Actually academia stimulates free thinkers... That don't harp on political rhetoric that fits into their cognitive bias.

@eldesgraciado6690

2 жыл бұрын

@@edd2184 Indoctrinates the gullible.

I'm an engineering student at WVU, while talking about possible career paths after graduation the professor said you can get hired anywhere, but one....

@tylernrogers

4 жыл бұрын

I applied at VW once and there is a question in their application that specifically asks if you have ever attended WVU.

@ricky-sanchez

4 жыл бұрын

@@tylernrogers Vw interview question: Do you have any experience in emissions software applications?

@Zestyclose-Big3127

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a student in Braunschweig (the one mentioned in the video - afaik basically the closest uni to vw hq)....I hope not necessarily the inverse winds up applying to me.

"What's a great car without the reputation of being one?" Well said.

"...staging a raid shadow le... I mean a raid..." 😂

I really recommend the book "Faster, Higher, Farther: The Inside Story of the Volkswagen Scandal" by Jack Ewing. Does a very good job explaining how the cheat was found and how VW reacted (obfuscated) when initially confronted. Also covers the Porsche stuff too.

There is also VW's push for electrification in order to cleanse their reputation

"Piech had developed a 5 cylinder inline diesel engine for Mercedes" - The understatement of the century. Piech developed the OM617, arguably the greatest naturally aspirated passenger-car diesel engine ever developed. Drive a 300D? You have Piech to thank.

@Imp5011

Жыл бұрын

Greatest naturally aspirated passenger car diesel. That's a high bar.

"Cowcatcher of Justice" would be an awesome name for a band.

At the rate Roman is going, the RCR community will begin to believe that the Entire MG game series was a crack documentary of the biggest government cover up in all of human history

Bro, your work, research, and presentation are top notch. I am seriously impressed and continuously entertained by your awesome content.

Idea for future video : Citroën and the story of its CEO André Citroën, a complete megalomaniac. The French automobile industry history is fascinating. Oh and the Renault Nissan alliance thingy is good stuff too

@Cyromantik

3 жыл бұрын

I love across-the-pond alliance stories. Renault/Nissan, Mazda/Ford, Toyota/GM, Ford/Opal, Mitsubishi/Pontiac and the various Korean to North American rebadged designs.

@otto_jk

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cyromantik it's Opel and it's pronounced oopl and to my knowledge Opel was GM brand not Ford. Volvo was a Ford brand.

The kicker is VW made an excellent Diesel engine they were clean quiet and fuel efficient compared to the diesels of that time.

@Mungobohne1

4 жыл бұрын

Are u insane?

@marcscordato4385

4 жыл бұрын

OSSUS MAXXIMUS Back In the day diesels sucked they were noisy and Smokey . The VW Deisel was quite and smooth in its day it was a sophisticated engine , needles to say VW screwed up

@Mungobohne1

4 жыл бұрын

Yes they were quite good engines the 2.0tdi is a legend on its own, but the whole thing regarding defeat switches etc made them intellectually obsolete. Sorry for my outburst earlier.

@marcscordato4385

4 жыл бұрын

OSSUS MAXXIMUS Lol it’s all good we are passionate about cars .

@kain0m

3 жыл бұрын

What is even more tragic, by the time that the news about Dieselgate had broken, VW had an entirely new line of Diesel Engines ready that are amongst the cleanest engines on the planet - proven by countless independent tests since. It seems they knew that what they had done in the past and chose to not do it again, but after Dieselgate, all was lost in this regard. GM (Opel) and Chrystler (Fiat) did some pretty violent emission cheating in Europe in the years following Dieselgate, but they aren't subject to the same scrutiny that VW faced in the US.

These are so good Roman. Thank you for taking the time to make them. Keep it up. Just the right balance of informative and dry humour.

Love this series! Love to hear Roman telling this stories! Do more!

Love these long form deep dives! A similar, albeit far less serious situation occurred in the trucking industry during the diesel emissions crackdown era. Cat was caught programming ECU's with two fueling/emissions tables, the dirtier of which was accessible to the consumer by cutting a specific wire. It was somewhat responsible for Cat exiting the over-the-road truck engine industry, of which there were a darling for many decades. Elsewhere, Navistar balked at the SCR systems much like VW had. Not wanting to put the burden of compliance on the consumer and requiring drivers to refill a tank with fluid in order to keep the engine clean didn't sit well. Their answer was the Maxxforce engine, which while legally done, and compliant for a while, was ultimately a spectacular failure and a nightmare of an engine to work on (German designed) and nearly bankrupted the company. Navistar had to team with Cummins (their arc rival) for while to develop a reliable NoX compliant engine, ultimately stabbing them in the back once the new engine was completed.......probably not enough malfeasance or drama to make an hour long doc, but interesting none the less.

@holysirsalad

2 жыл бұрын

I would love to watch that! I've heard harsh criticisms of Caterpillar's ACERT engines pertaining to reliability. They used to be kings of truck diesels then just vanished through the 2010s

That epilogue made me tingle. This was another excellent episode - thanks, Roman!

This is such an incredible story. Thank you for taking the enormous time and effort to tell it to us.

Another fine documentary by the Roman! Thank you for putting all the work and effort into this. Interesting and entertaining.

"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you pesky kids!"

I have begged for a Peich RCR Stories, and this DID NOT DISAPPOINT.

@alidaraie

4 жыл бұрын

Nick Roman has treated us with a double feature

@ianholmquist8492

4 жыл бұрын

@@alidaraie and as with all the rest of the things he says, i couldn't stay awake past the first 2 minutes

@ianholmquist8492

4 жыл бұрын

You should have begged harder so the actual frontman could narrate it.

@maxsinger3526

4 жыл бұрын

@@ianholmquist8492 We all know you liked your own comment. No one cares what you think dude. Roman is a very important part of the channel. He is loved by many. So why don't you keep your comments to yourself

Hands-down, THE best explanation of Dieselgate on the Internet. This is a must-see for any car enthusiast. You really knocked it out of the park on this one.

At the time, I remember laughing at the self righteous Outrage, all those people so offended by VW fooling the tests. Those same people who had their cars remapped for more power. I mean, honestly, there is an entire industry based around remapping diesels. How many of those 2009+ VW Golf are still standard?! Most Modded car in the world.....Once again Roman, utterly fantastic work, well researched, well read, and well pronounced (as far as I know)... Top work Fella. :-)

@xeigen2

4 жыл бұрын

That was just their excuse to be outraged. In reality they were just mad it killed resale value in the cars.

@yaboirico5221

4 жыл бұрын

it's one thing to be polluting while making great power and there's another when you're polluting 40x the limit and making adequate/stock power

@phillip2169

4 жыл бұрын

@@yaboirico5221 also it assumes they had remapped cars

@nathanlong8295

4 жыл бұрын

All for what? Nothing.

@EinachserLS

4 жыл бұрын

To me this comes down to simple game theory. If you create laws but then don´t enforce them comprehensively, it creates an incredible incentive to cheat. You can be honest and tell people "Look, you can´t have your cake and eat it too. If you want low emmission, you´re going to have to buy DEF every other time you fuel your car" to which people, because they want everything at the push of a button, will just buy your cheating competitors cars. From what I can see VW´s "clean" TDIs sold pretty well. What was missing was the expectation of getting caught. Of course what they did was morally wrong, but some blame has to be laid at the feet of the governing bodies who created laws that could so easily be cheated, and then acted suprised people weren´t being honest to them.

pronounced "Shtoot-gart" and "say-aught." im here for yah bro. btw, im a huge vw freak so i really enjoyed this history lesson

@eldesgraciado6690

3 жыл бұрын

VWs are crappy.

Wow this was very mesmerizing to listen to. I´m from Germany and I´ve been following this whole thing since the beginning but I didn´t pay much attention to all these internal fights between Piech and Winterkorn and all the family stuff and the way each one of them was personally and did their business. Just knew they were somewhat strict and authoritarian to get the jobs done, but not "rip out the dashboard of a Lamborghini a couple weeks before its release" strict. Also it would have been worth to note that after dieselgate it came to light that several other car manufacturers German and others installed similar devices or software to cheat the emissions data. I remember hearing about police raids at the BMW and Mercedes headquarters in the news when it all was still fresh and new information would surface every couple weeks and also something concerning hyundai cars also emitting much more under real driving conditions compared to what they had in their official papers.

This channel does not have enough subscribers, the amount of work/effort that goes into these videos is staggering. Keep it up👍

Around the 1980 second energy crisis, the ideal daily work truck for a Los Angeles machine shop was a VW Rabbit Diesel pickup. A few existed and they quietly disappeared. The story was small clean diesel engines were hard to build. I kept watching for news about improvements in the injector system. By 2005 there were reports that VW had a 400 volt injector built with a stack of pizeo disks. Mentioned on the side was that high pressure combustion in a diesel engine produced nitrogen oxides. The high voltage injector did not help with the nitrogen oxide emission. Somewhere between 2005 and 2008 I heard that Caterpillar over the road diesel engines had been discovered to emit lower pollutants during the emissions test and a change of injector programming was part of the settlement agreed to. I am a 50 year family auto mechanic (and I enjoy my sleds) and side by side I see that the American car culture has to move to 90% less emissions as in mostly staying parked. Look at the parallel between the last 50 years of draconian crack cocaine drug penalties and the last 50 years of auto emissions reductions culminating in the VW diesel engine cheating. Cars and airplanes and power stations emitting mostly CO2 are a 4.5 trillion dollar per year pollution problem. The problem is that just everyday commuting and driving and lots of other everyday high fossil fuel combustion activities adds up into a global problem.

"The Raid Shadow Le- uh, raid..." 🤣🤣🤣

This was an amazing documentary, thank you for putting out the clear effort.

I watched this mostly because I love every story you do, but also as an undergraduate mechanical engineering student at WVU who is involved with the people involved with the study. Arvind Thiruvengadam (he goes by Arvind to students and faculty) was my thermodynamics professor this past semester and is just an all-around great prof. The whole "revealing dieselgate" is one of the few things that makes me proud to be a mountaineer.

Your narrations are really good. I never really had time to watch them but now that I can I really need to catch up. Great videos.

"Board Meeting (artist's rendition)" I laughed a little to hard at the guy labeled "Worf" in the background.

@PistonAvatarGuy

4 жыл бұрын

There was also a reference to the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition, which was perfect in a video about rampant corporate greed.

@buggs9950

4 жыл бұрын

No love for Toru Yano?

@MongooseTacticool

4 жыл бұрын

"Assistant base toucher"

What I've thought about this is how could the "technology" VW used be used for good. Emissions are a trade-off. You want to reduce NOX, you are probably going to burn more fuel as you cannot run as lean, and ultimately generate more CO2. NOX seems to be the worst pollutant in places like LA where the concentration of cars and the terrain keep smog in the LA bowl. What about rural Montana? NOX probably isn't a big deal out there. So why not let a car run leaner, producing less CO2 in such areas like rural Montana, while demanding less NOX in places like LA? Instead of figuring out the car was on a dyno for testing and running "clean" the car could use the GPS and figure out where it was and pick which pollutants are suitable for that area. Cars pollute. It's simply a matter of what you allow to come out of the tailpipe. If you want less NOX, you are probably going to produce more CO2. If you want less CO2, you are probably going to produce more NOX. We seem to go towards one-size fits all solutions, when it may make more sense to have varying standards depending on where you are. It might make sense to allow more NOX in some areas of operation to reduce the amount of CO2 produced.

@ricky-sanchez

4 жыл бұрын

Volkswagen: Nah that's too hard. I'm gonna create a work around.

@ricardocruz4235

3 жыл бұрын

This is so true. Due to the laws of thermodynamics we know that everything is a trade off. If you decrease one thing, that increases something else. There are no free handouts in physics!

@Iboo30

3 жыл бұрын

Well it´s not just a matter of inner city and rural area and how much you can emit at each place, it´s how much of the stuff goes into the atmosphere and contributes to the green house effect, which then contributes to global warming. So ideally you don´t wanna produce any of it or as small an amout as possible, it´s not a checks and balances thing where you can say more here and less there ...

@buffuniballer

3 жыл бұрын

@@Iboo30 there are area where NOx does more harm than others. Most of LA smog from those 1970s images were due to NOx. The concentration and the terrain of being in a geologic bowl keeping things in the area make control of NOx more important there compared to other locations. As has been stated before, emissions are a trade off and lower NOx means higher CO2 as you cannot run as lean when reducing NOx.

@Tuppoo94

Жыл бұрын

The thing is that pollutants move around in the atmosphere. They're literally blown around by the wind. NOx is among the worst things that cars produce, that's why they're making such a big fuss about it. So if pollutants don't cause problems in your area, they might in someone else's, and vice versa. Even if the pollution was somehow contained within a state, in order to have an effective system you'd also have to be able to make sure that cars designed for one area don't go into other areas, at least not in the long term. For example, Montana cars couldn't go to California for longer than a week per year while running Montana emissions equipment. The truth is that automakers are more than capable of producing cars which are suitable for every environment, and there are no good reasons for not reducing emissions.

Hey Roman, these long video commentaries are my favorite. I really look forward to them. Ty.

As a new subscriber. The detail and research done and time and length makes this a award winning video along with other Regular Cars video's. AAAAA

I drive a Dieselgate jetta that I bought with 20k miles. It has all the emissions crap on it because the previous owners opted for the VW buyback option. As soon as that warranty runs out (the Dieselgate warranty covers all exhaust system components and even the whole engine for a period of time), I'm taking all that stuff off and getting my 50 mpg back. (Plan on putting in a hi-flow cat with resonator)

Now this is a juicy topic.... Once again, audio book quality :D SEAT is pronouced 'Say-at'

What a brilliant video. I always wanted to learn more about this and this video taught me all about it, great job dude! It was very well written and executed.

Roman, that was fantastic. Detailed, well written, not hard to follow and very informative. I know these don't get as much attention as the normal car reviews, but I'll be damned if I don't jump on and watch each RCR story as the pop up. This one was especially good, and am looking forward to more of them. It is kind of nice to hear that for once, a big company doing fucked up things didn't get away with it in the end as well.

14:35 - That MGS reference

@loganarzuaga8316

4 жыл бұрын

52:19 too

You missed the best part. In the UK they pretended to fix things but actually only removed the line of code which detected test mode. They left the emissions on max pollution and led customers to believe that they were behaving responsibly. I would lock them up and throw away the key !

A new _RCR Story,_ just what I needed to pass the time as I work from home. Well done as always, Roman. And thank Stef Schrader for her help on my behalf next time you see her.

I’m always game for these longer vids! Love what you guys do

It's actually "Say-ot" I know, counterintuitive. Either way, great thing to soak up while working from home. Ton of good info here. Killer job, Roman.

@daveyboiyeah

3 жыл бұрын

Said as Sey-at in the UK.

The US government doesn’t care about emissions, just money. I’m sure if VW offered enough money to the gov they would have allowed the cars as is.

@FordFlatSix

4 жыл бұрын

American emissions are reformist at best and set standards just below what customers want from their vehicles. It is all about vehicle sales not emission outputs.

@maninredhelm

4 жыл бұрын

You don't know the California Air Resources Board.

@hailexiao2770

4 жыл бұрын

@@FordFlatSix They're stricter than Euro emissions, and are probably the strictest auto emissions regulations in the world, so "what customers want" seems like a pretty high bar.

@redmr2na

4 жыл бұрын

The US government and EPA are two separate things. EPA is Global

@adamlemus7585

4 жыл бұрын

maninredhelm Actually I do. I live in california and had to take my truck to a ref because one of my F150’s cats didn’t have a E.O number. Wasn’t pointed out to me when I bought the truck nor did anyone say anything about it the first time I had it smoged. That’s when I found out that it wouldn’t matter if my truck exhaust was pumping out pure oxygen and baby pandas. No E.O number no pass. I had to have the state parts locater try to find a factory cat for it before they would exempt it. They couldn’t which I’m happy for because if they did the cat is $1800

Thank you very much for this informative piece. I've always wondered what the outcome of dieselgate was and how it has effected VW. I also very much enjoyed the history of Porsche, the German engineering, and the power struggle.

Thank you for your efforts in presenting this story in a comprehensive and comprehensible format. It was educational as well as entertaining. Cheers.

1:00:03 “Progress and Action Reports and Angela White Videos” A man of culture I see

RCR during Corona... Is like "love in the time of cholera." Danke.

@fangk.7367

4 жыл бұрын

I guess that means TONS OF BROWN

I genuinely look forward to RCR stories. Please release another soon!

That was like one of those college level "superior" master course lectures. It was also among the greatest lectures I've ever been privy to let alone enjoyed. Masterful work Roman. ...and it's probs worth mentioning that it's the best explanation of "dieselgate" (why does everything have to have a "gate" suffix to announce to the Procariot that it's a scandal and we should all pay attention to it?) that any news source or information outlet has produced for me thus far.

1:00:00 “Angela White videos” lmao

@JacksonKillroy

4 жыл бұрын

rcr references angela white more often they do hunter s thompson

@seththomas9105

4 жыл бұрын

@@JacksonKillroy Not that it's a bad thing all in all; I think Dr.Thompson would agree!

I love my two VW diesels, and I'm very sad that they stopped making them.

outstanding! thanks as always for your efforts to produce this fantastic documentary.

These are just so great and awesome. Thank you Nick for keeping these up. "It's the best just the best, and you deserve the best it's the best channel it's the best it's just the best."

20:.30 Did anyone notice that Giugario's "iconic" BMW, Lotus, DeLorean, and VW all look basically the same?

@VoreAxalon

3 жыл бұрын

If you look hard enough at the cars that were designed by single design teams or even by one person, you can see definite parallels in the way cars were designed. Take a look at Lancia, General Motors, Toyota, or any manufacturer more or less and you can see the footprints of a few artists here and there. Drink in a long look at the Ford GT40 and tell me you can't see an artist's fingerprints:-)

I own a dieselgate Golf TDI, and I love it, I’d love it more if it was a manual, but manuals are rare and pricey in my area, the DSG isn’t a horrible transmission, speaking as a hardline manual guy, yes it’s a compromise transmission, but it’s the best compromise currently, it’s not as soggy and bland as a sludgebox planetary auto (yes, even with “lockup” TC) and it’s not as utterly soulless and abhorrent as the accursed, pathetic, and fun-annihilating CVT, it is a compromise, but a good compromise As far as the car itself goes, it’s loads of fun, handles great, has a very usable torque curve, even after the emissions fix, I get 33-47 MPG depending on how much fun I’m having And the tailpipe is utterly spot free 58k later, I bought it used with 50k on the pod, so the original owners 50k of the 58k total was on the “cheating” software .

The diesel scandal was so bad that Germany introduced the ability for consumers to band together in a class action law suit, something that the legal system in Germany did not allow before. However VW is now trying to settle with individual car buyers, hollowing out this class action effort. It's so utterly disgusting, I will never ever buy anything from the VW group again in my life.

@cirrustate8674

4 жыл бұрын

Well, I will say that, in the wake of this, VW of America had to buy back all of the affected cars, and they had to get a LOT of work done in order to be sold again, and that work was done at the expense of VW.

@karstenburger9031

Жыл бұрын

Most , maybe all companies cheated to save money. Many emitted more NOx .

I just wanted to I applaud you guys and major respect for the amount of work that went into this issue...subscribed now................by odd chance I saw you did a Ranger review but but was a later model with the bs 3-4L....in chance of doing one on the truck i'd loved and seemed very different...an 88 2.9 xlt.......thank you greatly i came across you by odd reddit post and lol spent the entire day on them all now

I love the depreciation on them, got my 2014 cayenne diesel for an amazing price!

@adamcheck8356

4 жыл бұрын

Hang on to it because values seem to be going up. I was offered more than i payed for my q7tdi

@super-kami-guru

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Check mine has too many miles now to be worth anything. 174k and climbing

@TJayVariable

4 жыл бұрын

@@super-kami-guru Dont worry there are people Like me who only buy high milage cars. And I never owned a Car with only 174k Miles. My Skoda has 370k an still runs fine

@liamdanielhadcock4381

3 жыл бұрын

Super-Kami Guru , Don’t diesels like high milage? Might be an old mechanic’s myth, but I dunno.

@Bartonovich52

3 жыл бұрын

It is an old mechanics myth. You see a lot of high mileage diesels because: 1) New diesels are expensive to buy. 2) People tolerate things in diesels that they never would on gasoline engine (burning oil.... repair bills of thousands of dollars). 3) People see a lot of high mileage diesels and assume that they are uniquely durable. 4) Most Diesel engines are used for long distances... so have very few cold starts and thermal cycles. If you took even the crappiest gasoline engine and put a fraction of the parts and maintenance a Diesel engine takes... you’d have an engine that lasts just as long. That’s why Diesels for most people are a false economy. They only make sense if you need the torque for towing (not applicable to most VWs) or if you’re driving an absolutely insane amount (in which case you should change your lifestyle). For most people... you pay more for a diesel, you pay more in sales taxes, you pay more in interest for the higher amount you borrowed. The savings on fuel isn’t that great anymore both because diesel is no longer cheaper (and sometimes more expensive per litre) and the fuel economy advantage isn’t as high because of diesel emissions (the whole reason behind dieselgate) and the massive advances gasoline engines have made with direct injection, turbocharging, eco-assist, hybrid, etc. So by the time your car has finally amortized it’s higher TOTAL cost with fuel savings.. it’s about time for very expensive repairs like high pressure fuel pumps, injectors, turbos, etc.. and your engine is probably burning oil like crazy. Sure.. you can get $5000 for it vs the $1000 or scrap you can get for a comparable gas powered car (because it “isn’t worth it” to even replace a bad head gasket) but you will have still lost more money overall. That’s why I’ll never own a diesel. Gas is cheap, and I don’t drive anywhere near enough to justify one. Neither do 90% of diesel owners.. but they think they are saving money.

Perfect timing for some long form content

We need more! We need more!! More essays please!! I love when Roman reads.

Thank you for the effort of dissecting the subject.

I remember visiting a VW dealership in California and test driving a Jetta TDI, prior to this scandal. I thought the car was incredible and made it one of my goals to buy one. Then the scandal broke.

They’re still great cars. Awesome Fuel economy, fun to drive and you’re getting essentially a new car warranty on a used TDI. Nice work on this video.

@nissanpatrol8950

4 жыл бұрын

Michael finally someone who knows they are great cars

@Over9000scouters

4 жыл бұрын

Do they still get decent performance after being "fixed"? I remember my dad's TDI jetta putting some GTI to shame at a green light

@nissanpatrol8950

4 жыл бұрын

20eggseggs my dads 2017 transporter 2.0 tdi (twin turbo model) is a great and reliable work van. Not one problem except for the steel wheels corroding, so we got aftermarket wheels

@MegaDizz23

4 жыл бұрын

20eggseggs I never drove a pre fix model but what I’ve read on reddit and KZread is the power loss and Mpg changes are very small/not noticeable. Second gear still pulls hard and I can get 45-48 mpg on the hwy in my 2011 Jetta wagon.

@matte8441

4 жыл бұрын

Was in the market for a new daily driver, I was leaning towards Toyota but hated how unrefined and rattly they are. Bought a TDI Golf instead. 170,000 miles later its still a very refined and reliable car. Still gets 40+mpg at its age. Only non-maintenance related item I replaced was the windshield. Twice.

Fascinating story, fantastic delivery and very informative. Thank you for sharing.

👏 fantastic job. I thoroughly enjoyed this. It was well thought out and very well presented

30:45 "Atlas" "Turbo-Rocket" "Dauntless" "Wildcat" "Nail Head"

@chiefkeef74

4 жыл бұрын

Dodge is guilty of ridiculous names too. I mean they named an engine THE HELLAPHANT

@obnxsdonky9394

4 жыл бұрын

way to quote the video...

@notgray88

3 жыл бұрын

So disappointed they didn't choose zipper-head lmfao

@trongnghiachu1977

Жыл бұрын

​@@chiefkeef74 In fairness, the Hellephant name was a portmanteau of the Elephant nickname of the original 426 Hemis with the name of the modern Hellcat.

VW accomplished what every Californian car enthusiast wanted to do :)

@toyotaprius79

4 жыл бұрын

Proving hybrids and EVs right and being fined by the tune if billions??

@Bartonovich52

3 жыл бұрын

I do think it’s kind of hillarious though. I wonder how many modded a TDI for more power only to find soul crushing numbers on the dyno because of the emissions cheating software.

This was incredibly well done and matches if not exceeds the thoughtfulness and research of a prime time documentary... Wow, well done. (Slow Clap Noises)

These are great to listen to while working. Thanks Roman!

Drinking game: Take a shot every time he says Piëch

Has anyone seen a change in VW quality since Dieselgate started? I was always amazed at how poorly 2000 and up NA produced cars are built. Ive worked on many and now avoid them. Its almost like they designed all the plastic panel tabs to break the second you look at them.. Lenses, interior panels, engine emission hoses. Just.. garbage

Amazing video awesome job thanks for your hard work

I can't speak for everyone else, but for what it's worth, I will watch every one of these until the end. Keep up the great work.

RCR Story on Saab????

"The three liter diesel engines " *shows a 2.0 L engine*

@davidparker9676

4 жыл бұрын

This documentary is seriously flawed. He obviously has an axe to grind with Germans and the German cars. Most of the sources he cited are well known biased and partial sources. Tons of misinformation and an hour and a quarter of wasted time viewing.

@sassiitalytours

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidparker9676 examples? Or just a butthurt VW fanboy?

@davidparker9676

4 жыл бұрын

@@sassiitalytours Yes the EPA lab tests were not standardized tests. They intentionally road tested the car with equipment that was not designed for the purpose of road testing with portable generators to power them. There is no standardized procedure for the test: eg. rpm, specific load, throttle position, ambient temperature, incline etc. Since the EPA had a raging hard-on to prosecute VW it is extremely likely that they put the engine under such adverse load and test conditions that would not ever be duplicated in a industry standardized test. Taking any vehicle out of steady-state closed loop will give you high emissions, typically much higher than the governmental limits. The fact is the cars are never intended to be tested in such a way. Such results are worthless because there is no baseline to compare them to. You would have to standardize a test procedure and test all vehicles under identical conditions with large numbers of samples to be meaningful. I am very familiar with California's emissions law, testing equipment and test procedures being a currently licensed inspector and tech with the state. What are your qualifications?

@davidparker9676

4 жыл бұрын

@@sassiitalytours Are you just another low-info Greta Thunburg fanboy?

@sassiitalytours

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidparker9676 seeing as the problem was NOx and not CO2 emissions, I gather from your invocation of Greta that you're at once emotionally stunted and grossly misinformed. Imagine that, a guy ranting about his qualifications that just outed himself for not having actually watched Roman's video. Hint: the thing that nailed VW? Yeah, it wasn't EPA testing. Oops.

Brilliant work. Keep em' coming please.

Outstanding documentary Roman. Love your work mate.

A friend of mine had an 03 TDI Jetta and frankly those cars were amazing. We once drove from Baltimore to Williamsport to Harrisburg on half a tank of fuel and the 50-70 acceleration was better than anything else which really helps on PA two lane roads with those short uphill passing sections. Heck, you could run the car on off road kerosene and avoid paying any fuel tax. US manufacturers could not compete so they got the EPA to set NOx standards to exclude the foreign competition from the market. VW was playing dirty in a dirty fight to the benefit of the American consumer. The NOx standards have nothing to do with health, its protectionism plain and simple. The fact that the patched buy back cars are selling like hotcakes even with the reduced performance and mileage should attest to that fact. However at the end of the day VW was still "foreign" and "other" and was therefore an acceptable political target. It's a shame that American opinion makers all take the side of the EPA and not the amazing vehicles they killed.

@boygenius538_8

3 жыл бұрын

Those monkey experiments would say otherwise. NOx causes smog which is a huge problem, google pictures of Indian and C honest cities, without these laws American cities will end up like them. I’ll accept less foreign cars and protectionism if I can breathe without feeling like I smiled a pack everyday. If other companies can make fun cars that meet standards, Volkswagen has no excuse.

@clothestravel

2 жыл бұрын

I have to agree, at least partly, with the OP. If VW was an American company, it wouldn’t have been disciplined for its malfeasance.

You flipped a detail, which would be important for a German company. Diesel is cheaper here in Europe. Not by much, but it adds up considerably when combined with lower consumption.

The EPA has over-regulated diesels to the point that they have become unreliable and expensive. Why single out diesel? It doesn't make sense. Diesel is easier to refine, higher power density than gasoline, more thermally efficient than gasoline engines, better low end torque. If there's old f250s with 7.3 idis getting 17mpg why can't we have 2.0 tdis getting 40 mpg? I recommend Deboss Garage's video on dieselgate. I'm not a coal roller, but someone who works and relies on diesel engines. The world runs on diesel, don't change it until electrics can do the same thing for the same price. I'm all for clean electric, but it's far too expensive still.

Love these storys. Thank you.