It wasn't a side bar, it wasn't a lug either. 100% definitely, a bottle opener.

@Riceball01

10 ай бұрын

That would be awesome to have on a sword. Anachronistic, but still cool.

@theodoreharrold9875

10 ай бұрын

​@@Riceball01and still functional hand protection

I've been watching this channel since I was a teenager, god how many years. And I can say that I am never bored or uninterested in your content, I love the passion, I love the preservation of history, I love the community. I need to get me one of these blades. Thank you Matt

@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis4346

10 ай бұрын

probably one of if not the best channel on this site. Consistently very good content. Short _and_ long. The Videos also got deep penetration on the topics that he touches on.

Just my initial impression, but it seems unlikely that such a short lug would have broken off on the original. Not an argument for the full side bar, but for something a bit more substantial.

@Binidj

10 ай бұрын

Yes, Matt explains why there was likely more to the lug on the original but the replica doesn't deliver on that. 😞

@helojoe92

10 ай бұрын

Exactly my thoughts! I'd love to see a prototype with a nagel about the size of a typical german messer (3-5 cm long), that is getting wider and a bit thinner towards the end, like the ends of the S-guard

@scholagladiatoria

10 ай бұрын

The three posts above seem to have misinterpreted me - go and take a look at the Windlass version on MRL. The 'lug' is about twice as long as what survives on the original. We did exactly what you suggest :-D

@Hushashabega

10 ай бұрын

​@@scholagladiatoria Took a look at the MRL photos and I see what you mean Matt. The much shorter lug on the piece you have in the video is misrepresentation of the actual product I suppose?

@eramart

10 ай бұрын

Was going to make that exact comment ) I’ve looked up photos from Windlass and it does have a lug that seems longer than in the video

the Wakefield hanger sword in historically important because it is a transitional design between the medieval style falchion and the Post medieval basket hilt Backsword

I think it's interesting that both Matt/Windlass/RA & Todd chose to make a replica of this type of sword. I'm guessing that due to development time they decided to do so independently of each other. But it is interesting to see the different interpretations available.

Great discussion of your iterations, and process! Another point against IX.144 having a full knuckle bow which you may have noticed in your research, James Elmslie pointed out to me the other day that the surviving terminus of the lug is very thin, and would not a great cross section if drawn all the way out into a full bow. Not conclusive, but it certainly reinforces your decision to go with the stud!

@scholagladiatoria

10 ай бұрын

I absolutely agree. There is no way at all, in my opinion, that the original has a full bar, because it is really really thin at the end. It could not have sustained a bar.

I can imagine this sword being the most popular of the first batch. Ever since your video about short choppy swords, I've been a huge fan of these types of blades. And this one looks really good. Really looking forward to the video of the Windlass factory as well!

I think it was probably shorter than a whole bar myself but at the same time was probably long enough to cause it to be a weak spot on that hilt when pressure was applied to it.

@TheBaconWizard

10 ай бұрын

That break may have been caused by anything though: A fault in the metal, corrosion in the ground... although I do agree regarding the likely intermediate length.

I have one of these and am very happy with it. I also think a full bar on the side wouldn't do it much good, because as it is it handles like a dream. But the background is very, very welcome.

That's exciting. It also makes sense that the lug is something small because if it were large, someone may have noticed it at the dig site.

Neat! Excited to see the new batch of stuff. Cheers!

Matt, why did Windlass not include their new and improved iteration of the 1796 in this group? It seems worthy of it! Is it because they just wanted all of these to be medieval swords?

@scholagladiatoria

10 ай бұрын

Because it's not based on a Royal Armouries sword, it's based on an antique I sold them.

I got Tod's version of the Wakefield hanger, with the side bar. I think he did a creditable job of making it unobtrusive and effective. The grip is longer, but not hugely so, and the handling is still wonderfully quick.

I am curious whether German langmessers with nagles occasionally show stubs like that. If they do, you would have a potential lower limit on the size of the bar that broke off the sword.

Nice teaser mention for the next group of six swords caused me to search Royal Armouries collect for Basket Hilted Broadswords. Well played. lol

Another great vid Matt, and cool shirt,, Captain Dallas would be so proud.

Very interesting topic. Thank you. Looking forward to the new batch. Cheers!

Fascinating. Thanks, Matt!

Since I saw it on Todds example of Wakefield hanger (my favourite creator of medieval cold steel implements) I was sure there will be an expose to add context to the question from you Matt! Also so far resisting the urge to purchase the Royal Armouries/Windlass/Easton version for few months ... Hope I can hold on.

Always enjoy your insights

BASKETHILTS! YES! FINALLY! :) Sry 4 caps, but I've been waiting for a accurate basket hilt reproduction for years now. Thank you for that info, I was about to spend my money on a custom made piece... seems that I'll wait a bit for the Windlass one. Made my day, all thumbs up, Matt.

If I had to decide, I'd make the "lug" a little more substantial (more in line with the German examples) and shape it like the finials on the crossguard; that way it would "flow" with the rest of the hilt.

Now this is the kind of nitty gritty detail I love.

It's crazy how much that blade looks like a giant Bagwell Bowie

Excellent shirt choice

I've been waiting for a Windlass Factory video ever since you posted those videos about Conan fantasy swords in there, very exciting!

Don't know if you've seen it but Tod has started making one with a side bar.

Very nice and beautiful replica. So the question is : the curve on the broken off "lug" / Nagel, that one can definately recognise, did it existence before or was it introduced due to excavation and breaking up of the part.

I like windlass. So far, so good. Cheers Matt. ☘️

Really interesting insights - I love the look of this sword and am very curious how it handles. I get the impression that it would be a very versatile design. Any chance of getting a left-handed version? I know that the nagl being on the right is a minor point, but I’m a stickler for details

Hi Matt. Thought provoking video. Question: given many hangers had naval or maritime applications, could the nub have simply been something to anchor the sword to the sheath. I have seen much artwork with navy personnel carrying their swords and I assumed there would be some sort of security device to keep the sword in the scabbard. Am I way off base or might this be something?

I bought the large two hander from Royal Armories collection really like it, the Wakefield Hanger looked very nice i just don't think my paws would fit the grip

Maybe even an upturned nagel/shell like a teardrop to compliment the other contours. Would bind quite well I wager. Also nice shirt! Thank you for the video Mr Easton. I'll try to remain sated with my Cold Steel Man At Arms Lang Messer, Theruza, for now though the Windlass Falchions are quite beautiful indeed.

Let's take a sidebar to discuss this possible sidebar

are yall gonna be doing a batch without a side projection? ive been grinding down a cold steel 1917 cutlass blade for new geometry and i cut the side of the guard off and i quite like the dimensions and look and knucklebow of the hanger

It’s a nice replica, I couldn’t grind that length for the price

hello im wanting to import a 3 foot kirpan from uk will dpd bring it in?

fascinating

Matt did you see the trailer for Ridley Scott's new Napoleon movie? Can we expect a reaction video? Thanks

I've been thinking about one to use as a Chinese paidao which it's pretty perfect for

Please excuse my ignorance, but is there any precedent for an upswept knagel?

Would it not have been better to just copy the later falcon which was still complete? If copying this sword, I would have made the "Nagel" - which, by the way, even sounds a bit weird in German language if it is related to a sword - longer, like on the Langmesser. I don´t think it originally was that short. It protects your hand almost not at all. If they made a protection, they would have made it longer.

@scholagladiatoria

10 ай бұрын

We did make it longer, as explained in this video, as the original is clearly broken. I covered this point in quite some depth :-)

I must admit I think Tods version looks fantastic.

@robh5492

10 ай бұрын

It's actually nice that Tod has produced a version with a sidebar whilst Matt and his team have produced one without, so we can all have the choice.

@pickleroo253

10 ай бұрын

@@robh5492 Totally agree and i love that compound hollow ground blade profile.

Why did you choose the Hollow Ground instead of a Full Convex?

All this because Todd released his with bar lol. Anyone have both Windlass and Todd's to do a compare?

6:30 make it half the length and height, then make it an curve like the knuckle guard.

This was the first real sword I bought!

I've always had trouble with the English noun «lug». I find there's no term with a similar definition in any other language I'm familiar with!

Tod Cutler just released his own Wakefield Hanger. I know you're bias to your sword, but could you do a collab with him, and compare his Wakefield to yours?

How is it for left handers?

Arms & Armor seem to produce the top version of this type of sword.

@scholagladiatoria

10 ай бұрын

I can only find one example of a custom piece they made, and it is substantially different to the original, lacking any side extension on the guard, and lacking any of the drastic hollow grinding of the original. The Windlass version is by far the most accurate one, because it is based on my detailed measurements, which nobody else has.

Out of curiosity, is the sword offered in a left handed version? After all once you place the lug on the sword it automatically becomes a hand specific sword. If I am going to pay for a quality sword, I want to be able to use the sword.

Damn it, now I want one... lol

Can you talk about a morning star that turns into a flail Ive been asking so many ive just gotten so lazy in asking

Nailed it with the USCSS NOSTROMO

would be cool with a shell.

I'd love to see a video about nimcha history. Don't often see very much on African weapons.

Why do you assume it went down? Esthetically an upswept guard like the one over the spine seems possible. Irrispective of the direction, my suspicion is that it was shaped like the back guard.

Are these swords limited edition/ production swords?

Look at the thing ! same construction as a scythe, but straight, thin like one too. A decent agricultural blacksmith should have been able to make one ( guilds apart !)

I don't see why the nubbin would've been soo small though. If it was that small, how did it break off so easily? A bit longer would be my guess.

YOUR HONOR, IF I MAY HAVE A BRIEF SIDEBAR BEFORE THESE PROCEEDINGS COMMENCE.

Can't wait to see the rapier

If I had to pick from the two I would say no sidebar

I bought one of those windlass wakefeilds and I gotta say I'm not a huge fan of the nagle. I think my hands are just slightly too big and my knuckle rubs up against it in a pretty annoying way. I really wish it could just flip it upside down so it wasn't such a harsh 90 degree angle. If you have one, you know what I'm talking about. I suppose that's the risks with a super accurate historical replica, it was made for someone else.

Anything for left-handed users?

It’s very hard to find high quality, period correct replica falchions, hangers, curtle-axes, etc… if I had anything close to enough money, I would have definitely bought one of these, I’m really hoping that I will get a chance, when I, (hopefully,) become able to afford to buy one.

To my layman eye the original's broken lug seems like it might have had a partial bar of a similar shape to the front one.

@scholagladiatoria

10 ай бұрын

It is way too thin.

Matt, where did you get the dimensions for the original swords (beyond just those being reproduced in this collection) and would you share them or point us toward the source(s)? Essentially, is there a way for us plebs on the internet to get access to the full array of dimensions (thicknesses, tapering, angles, etc.) beyond just the overall length and weight?

@TheBaconWizard

10 ай бұрын

Royal Armouries.

@scholagladiatoria

10 ай бұрын

I spent hours at the Royal Armouries measuring, weighing, balancing and photographing them.

@DeadlyPlatypus

10 ай бұрын

@@scholagladiatoria I truly appreciate the response. Have you thought about doing this with more swords/weapons that aren't in the Royal Armouries reproduction collection? And would you ever put together a database for others to access (even for a fee)? For instance, I'd like to make my own historically accurate wasters, both for potential "sparring" and as decorations (I'm a woodworker with a limited budget but great interest and no access to museums/armouries).

wasn't _"Nagel"_ an artist of Sultry Portraits in the 90's?

@paulmears5330

3 ай бұрын

1980's😉

@Sir-Cyr_Rill-Nil-Mill

3 ай бұрын

@@paulmears5330 great I forgot how old i am.

A shame that the sword didn't have a full bar, and everyone visiting it would have to settle for beer or wine.

The broken away piece could have been a shell like thing , similar to Dussack, Jagdschwert or Hirschfänger.

@scholagladiatoria

10 ай бұрын

Yes it could, but as explained in the video, we simply don't know. It is too thin (IMHO) to have been anything big or substantial.

I guess you could say this video was a sidebar

Have you ever seen a sword with left-handed lug/side bar?

I just wish there was a left handed version of these available.

@bobrobinson1576

10 ай бұрын

The Wakefield hanger is perfectly usable left handed. I find that the side stub can be used rather like a thumb ring. Very happy with mine. Hope this helps.

@kjeddy21

10 ай бұрын

@@bobrobinson1576 That is a very valid point, and a solid practical application to help with techniques.

how about Todd's interpretation of that sword?

Looks best without the bar

Matt, you should have grown in some sideburns for this video on sidebars.

Oh the Archers sword

@pyrrhusofepirus3792

10 ай бұрын

Maybe! It's assumed to be for someone like an archers but we don't actually know

"Nagel" sounds weird to germans aswell in this context.

Another short choppy sword to add to my list of short choppy swords to acquire.

It is not Nail as in a nail you hammer into wood. Nagel means fingernail, which might make more sense?

@JS-yt5le

10 ай бұрын

Fingernagel = fingernail (the things at the end of your finger which you should cut once in a while) | Nagel = nail (the one you hammer into your wall to hang your swords and pictures from)

"WAkefield Hangers"... sounds like a garage band.

That Lange Messer... I'd do my scones with that. Don't ask me which order to use jam and cream or how to pronounce "scone". Don't really want another Civil War.

this sword was probably a German influenced design

@scholagladiatoria

10 ай бұрын

Not at all, it is utterly Anglo-French, and this type is specifically English. We have a whole family of them found in England, and none from anywhere else. The construction is that of a falchion, not a messer.

Nubbin...