Fig Wasp pollination?! I suppose computer interaction is like crawling inside a dark hole, ripping off your limbs all the way and dying inside while the next generation eats your corpse and the shared tomb they may or may not escape from only to repeat the cycle infinitely.

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

lot of competition but, for now, this is the pinned comment

@elyk3727

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc cool guy pinning comments over here

@gg3675

2 жыл бұрын

Lots of talk about "man" in this video, so it'd really be a shame not to also mention that the male wasps all die in their little fig-prison without ever leaving. Actually, this prediction for computers feels a bit on the nose. ;-)

@user-sb3wh3dd4v

2 жыл бұрын

PLEASE watch this concise video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3-iqdqdkpe0lpM.html

I had the privilege of being in Lick's group at MIT for 7 years (1969 - 1976) with him being on both my Master's and Doctoral committees. In addition to inventing the Internet, he was a great teacher and more importantly, a great mentor. In my freshman year (when I took a graduate seminar on graphics he taught), I wrote a paper. I was a terrible writer at the time. I asked him to proof read my paper. Now Lick was a very busy man, but he did get to edit the first half of my paper. To this day it is very easy to tell the spot where Lick's editing stopped and my raw writing remained. Lick was great!

@nedisahonkey

2 жыл бұрын

Really cool you have a personal experience with the guy insecure that he was a good person as well as incredibly influential in modern technology.

I don't think you're mediocre, Phil. Jokes aside, your videos are always extremely interesting. They go deeper into topics I thought I knew about, but really knew very little, and learning about these characters and circumstances of history you didn't know were there are inspiring in a way.

@danwroy

2 жыл бұрын

They're good videos. I swore an oath of chastity against ever clicking another Vox link as long as I live, but Phil's material is quality and (mostly) inoffensive politically. That's why I subbed. (I can't promise to sub forever, but I'm subbed for now.)

It's a self-fulfilling prophesy. He dreamed it, he published it, and in doing so, inspire people that work to make it a reality.

Lick😂😂 "How many Licks does it take to get to the center of a revolution in information technology?"😂😂😂😂

@judahunderwood8433

2 жыл бұрын

lmao

@TK-_-GZ

2 жыл бұрын

Well he was no devious lick but an angelic yield, I suppose.

Just wanted to say that your videos have inspired me to get way more into journalism! they're some of the best on youtube imho. also the lack of mustache threw me off for a bit, but it looks good lol

@DS-bz4mz

2 жыл бұрын

The glasses just suit him so perfectly, be it with a mustache or without it

Regarding the great man theory, it seems to me that individuals can tug history in new directions, but those individuals are more representations of the structure around them rather than a force acting on the structure. For instance, I'm sure that there were a lot of other people that had similar ideas and skills to Lick that would've taken his place if Lick was never born, and society would've moved in the same direction. Even if a few of these people had totally different ideas, only the people with ideas conducive to the society's structure at the time would've been successful.

@andybaldman

2 жыл бұрын

This is a subtle point that I think most people miss, but tends to be true most of the time.

@jamiea9634

2 жыл бұрын

Tesla is a great example. He had a lot of ideas that sound very modern to us today, but in his time got dismissed as crazy. Wrong time and place, society wasn't ready. (this is before the whole pigeon bride thing of course)

I'm a User Experience Designer, Strategist and User Researcher with a background in Anthropology and I love being able to understand how people use technology as tools and engineering better experiences for e everyone. I LOVE that you made a video on this and topics like the history, present and future of human-computer interaction is one I want to share and blog about!! This is an awesome dipping-toes-into-the-water video on how computing became more of an expansive field than just computing math and more imagining what it would be like if *everyone* could have the kind of capabilities in their own home and what people can do with such tools. I think it's amazing how Licklider was imagining what it would be like if computers talked to each other and that imagining had a really huge impact for speeding up communication and work during the Space Race. The next piece of the puzzle in democratizing the kind of powerful tool use would be to think of ways people would interact with and use computers as Sketchpad, computer mice and the GUI (graphical user interface) were now a reality. You used to have to feed information into a computer using punch cards and tape, but what would it looked like if you weren't restricted by those constraints (because people don't have the time, patience or technical know-how to use a computer like *that*...unless it was their job). That's where gaming comes in. You have the rise of the arcade machine, consoles and personal computers coming into the market not less than a decade after Licklider is writing about how computers can be more accessible and talk to each other. You can still do other tasks on a computer (or even a counsole, depending on the kind you got, like the Commodore Vic 20) but games are still the best way for people to learn how to interact with a computer and its User Interface. It would still take until the late 1980s and into the early 1990s to various networks made for academia and defense come from out of those environments and onto cheaper and more powerful computers that more and more people would be comfortable using. But to see and read Licklider's ideas in a time when computers involved lots of math and took up the size of a conference room is prophetic!

Your channels grown lots from the early days and it's well deserved phil!

My mother worked at node #2, Stanford Research Institute (SRI), in the mid-sixties and told us kids about this cool computational thing they were working with... Who knew!

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Dang that’s cool!

Great vid Phil, been meaning to give that book a listen - I'm taking this as your glowing endorsement. 😄

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

It’s…long? Sort of in that sweet spot between interesting and boring (kinda like this video). It sort of presumes you absolutely love Lick.

Another interesting story that does touch on Lick but focuses more on how DARPAnet came to be and then become the internet is When Wizards Stay Up Late.

You may enjoy “Where wizards stay up late” for some more specific info on arpanet, fascinating stuff!

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll check it out!

What Arthur C Clarke predicted was an expanded "time sharing network." In my mind, what "defines" the internet is the ability of any two people who are connected to the internet to talk one-on-one to each other in real time. This then, naturally, expands to connecting any number of people to each other. It's the "person to person" concept rather than the "person to computer" that makes the internet what it is today.

Your channel just blew up after the pentagon video and I'm glad because your content is top tier

"Lick" taught a recitation class at MIT that I attended in 1982. It was for the class "Structure and Interpretation of Programs" in which the programming language was Scheme/Lisp. I wasn't a computer science major so I might not have paid the dues to justify this statement, but it was the best course and "Lick" the best recitation teacher I've ever known. He was infinitely patient and gentlemanly. Btw, recitation classes were breakouts from the main lectures--about 20 students/recitation vs. 300 students/lecture--so you could really get to know the professor.

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

That’s amazing. I have one college prof I occasionally see in media and I have this unearned surge of pride - so I can’t imagine how you must feel!

Computer History Museum has tons of stories like this on their channel. One that blew my mind was an oral history of Bill Mensch Jr., chief architect and engineer of the 6502 that allowed Woz to create the Apple 1 and Apple 2. Tech history is a chain of the adjacent possible and many great people are figuring the next thing out.

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

They have sooooo much and it’s always like, “how have I never heard of this before?!?”

You are amazing. I wanted to say sooo much more, but the clock is 6AM here in Norway and I'm waiting for my coffee.

I love the "imagine taking your ideas to the dry cleaners" analogy, that's perfect!

This channel deserves way more views & subs. Interesting and well-made vids!

No way! I just ordered this book today before your video game out!

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

It’s an interesting ride! Crazy coincidence too.

I miss Lick. The first half of Waldrop's book is great. Bob Taylor, who ran Xerox PARC warned me that the second half wasn't so. What's telling is that Bob Taylor was also an acoustic psychologist. Though not explicit I do think that this is important in that the power idea (A term from Seymour Papert) is to invert the traditional idea of networking as a service and layering as an engineering paradigm. The meaning of speech exists outside of any network and is interpreted in our brains. This is the principle that enables the Internet -- separating the relationships from the network and, in fact, questioning the idea of networking as a service. Why I took acoustic psychology I came across his 1949 paper on radios in a noisy environment - rather than trying a traditional approach to improve the channel, he focused on improving the ability of people to understand the speech This is too much to unpack in a short comment but it's there in Lick's focus on what we do with computers rather than the technology itself that presaged today's world. But, wait wait, there's more. He also ran (and funded) MIT's Project MAC which gave us Multics. A group of Multicians at Bell Lab ran into funding problems so created their own stripped-down version called Unix. You may have heard of it. And if you step back there was John McCarthy who had two powerful ideas in 1958. One was timesharing which gave us CTSS which gave us Multics. The other was a programming language for AI (an interest of Lick's) called Lisp. Lisp is alive today inside JavaScript which was based on Scheme which was based on Lisp. It's amazing how many of these ideas came together and advanced rapidly in the 1960s. I was very fortunate to have found myself in the middle of the maelstrom when I transferred there in 1967.

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for writing this.

@apithonor

Жыл бұрын

Audiologist here - thanks for expanding a bit on the other things Licklider did as I have only known him studying psychoacoustics. It seems so obvious to me now that he (and surely others such as myself) would find the transduction of signals fascinating so you end up with an interest that is the same, but speaks in several languages - neural, analog, digital, and so on. And yes, lucky you to have been there to be a part of it!

"Members and Affiliates of the Intergalactic Computer Network" sounds like a low budget knock off of Star Trek

Was great to know the guy (maybe an E.T.?) that was behind Douglas Engelbart's 'Mother of all Demos". Thanks for your work! 💯

This was a super interesting video! I had no idea about pretty much everything mentioned, so it was great learning a bunch of new things.

Man your videos NEVER disappoint! This was sooooo good! And it’s funny I have that exact app and my 3D self looked melted in the sun kind of 😂

Even when your videos are on topics that I’m personally not as interested in at first, I know that I can still click on them and come out both educated and entertained and I think that’s really cool of you 😌 Keep up the good work! :)

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks! I was watching this one and thought it was a bit on the niche side, so that’s nice of you to say.

Vannevar Bush and his Memex machine. That predates all of this, and was startlingly visionary.

100k subscriber award! Congratulations.

9:50 😁 That's a great self-deprecation joke and solid introspection. Thoughts for rumination: 1. Assume Great Man is true: without institutions to interpret, implement, communicate, and use the ideas of the Great Man, how is the man great? 2. Assume Great Men impact the world at least as much as people claim they do: what proportion of progress was due to Great Men, to institutions, to cross-pollination, to randomness, and to other things? 3. If all of the Great Men of the past had instead decided to "shrug", what would have been the impact on society and progress? Or, if it happened today, what would happen? And contrast that with a world in which the mobs of people with arete have abdicated: what would happen? Finally, more of an aside: The contrast of the Great Man is the Typical Man. Mediocrity, when used to describe a person, doesn't describe how that person compares to the group-it describes how that person's actions compare to that person's potential. A mediocre person has low arete, excellence, virtue. "Great Men" tend to have arete, but it is not quintessential to "Greatness."

Great content again Phil

Bill Gates and Paul Allen got their start as teenagers using "time sharing" computer systems.

No! But, along with others, he did paint a vision of a network of networks and supported folks who understood his point. Lick was indeed brilliantly visionary.

Great video, thank you!

He probably did invent the internet now that I watched this video.

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Thank goodness for him that you watched it.

Phil, I landed on an old VOX video you almost a decade-old video. Loved your work from Back then and love it still.

People are getting mad at me for not stopping in recommending this channel. They clearly can't see how amazing all of thi is. Keep going my man 😍😍😍😍

Love your videos man, keep up the great work. Your gonna be huge one day. Just gotta beat the algorithm and get a bunch of subscribers!

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

I am already indebted to the almighty Algorithm!! But i’ll take more!

Dude I love your videos. I'm pretty you're from Vox but I can't remember. Anyway, when I first started watching your videos my eyes almost popped out of my head seeing your subscriber/view count relative to how well edited and filmed your videos are. They have this kinda brand and feel to them that I would associate with you specifically now. And lately I've finally got to see your sub count grow and grow and grow and it's really awesome! Keep going!

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks a lot!

"Something that mediocre men are naturally skeptical of" man, that one blindsided me lmao. Phil, your unique sense of humor along with your dedication to presenting facts and stories in an informative way makes you far from mediocre in my eyes

0:04 I cheered.

“Intellectually the most creative and exciting time in the history of mankind” We got Facebook and Twitter instead.

Awesome video!

If he was alive today I think he'd feel a lot like J. Robert Oppenheimer

Right now i m very happy that youtube showed me your channel…

From what I can see Lick was not the singular "Great Man" who did it all ... but the right person, in the right place, with the vision and influence to make sure that the many people who could do it were allowed to

Congatulations on silver button!

If you squint, you could call your 3D image a Rockwell. Really go nuts and sell it as an NFT.

Solid take on Lick, but there were a LOT of people that played massive and visionary roles - Vint Cerf and Bob Khan also come to mind. The book "Where Wizards Stay Up Late" is the definitive retelling of the era, and while some of it (especially the early parts) can be very dry, it's overall an outstanding read!

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

This has been the definitive other book people have recommended! I’ll try to remember it for the future. Thanks.

@RussellNelson

10 ай бұрын

Me too.

It’s hard to assign one person as the inventor of the internet. It’s like finding the “inventor of the car”. There is a progression of ideas and technologies and people build upon the advances of others. You may enjoy this video that talks about the progress in the 60s-70s timeframe: kzread.info/dash/bejne/f56EqbKJcbi7fbA.html

Class of '86!! 😎✌🏻

What blows my mind is that it has only been 60 YEARS!

awesome video once again thank you!

@Nicoboominn

2 жыл бұрын

love the plaque btw

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

As much as I feel like a little kid, I love it too. Thanks!

I thought this video was going to be about Vannevar Bush when I first clicked on it, but then it turned out I learned about someone new today!

I used to score an exam called the Pearson Test of English which was used by non-native English speakers to assess their English skills, much like TOEFL, IELTS, or the Cambridge Assessment. One of the practice prompts talked about how Tim Berners-Lee invented the internet. I guess it all depends on what definition of “the internet” that you use!

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah honestly until a few months ago he was the only name I’d ever heard as far as an “inventor” goes.

@jasontbrennan

2 жыл бұрын

Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web (and the first web browser / editor - yep, the first browser also let you make websites too), but not the internet itself. The Web runs on top of the internet, and for most people it’s the most important thing that runs on it!

@gravityissues5210

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasontbrennan TBL appropriated a number of existing technologies (including one mentioned here, hypertext) to cobble together the WWW, which became the "killer app" of the Internet, driving its base past the college students and researchers who were its main users in the 80s and early 90s. It always makes my head explode when people (usually Brits) try to claim he "invented the Internet," then when you point out the 'net is much more than the WWW, they say, "well, it's the most important part, so that's all that matters." It's like saying "Henry Ford invented highways because the only thing that I use on them is cars." Not only is Henry Ford not the inventor of the car, a car is not the same thing as a highway, and things like busses and trucks are also important, even if most people never drive them--and that's how I always feel when I have to hear about how Sir Tim "invented the Internet."

How come I'm just learning that you have your own channel? I've missed so much content.

I know a behind the scenes "great man" theory developing right now

Look up Donald Knuth, one of the seminal figures in algorithm design and analysis. I read his books in the late 70s.

Man invented the internet. There were many people involved.

Hey whats the 1950's gotta do with it, Licks' a dope ass nickname.

Really nice. And in the new issue of fast company, the CEO of Microsoft Nadella highly recommends reading the dream machine to get ready for the sudden AI era.

@PhilEdwardsInc

8 ай бұрын

oh i didn't see that! fun book. though lately i've been working on a story about fred terman, so i've kinda abandoned my licklider fanboy tendencies to become a termaniac.

@brucequinnplayground2114

8 ай бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc If of interest or a break from Terman I fed SYMBIOSIS to chat GPT, got a mini summary, a long summary, and then asked GPT 3 or 4 analytical questions abou the famous essay. Ie coming full circle to interact with AI about the 1960 essay. brucedocumentblog.blogspot.com/2023/08/lickliders-man-computer-symbiosis-essay.html

this just makes me more eager for the grand internet collab between Johnny Harris, you and cleo Abrams. that's gonna be some mcu level stuff

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

hmm who is who. I guess Johnny is Iron Man? Captain America seems too jingoistic for him.

I thought the 3d head scanning was going to be a sponsor lol

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

I think they’d want a better result (and possibly a better head).

Stopped getting video notifications on this video going forward but still get recommended to watch stuff I already watched. KZread’s algorithm is broken

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

dang it algorithm get it together!

Someone you missed: The architect from the Matrix

Maybe do a video on Grace Hopper? She was a pioneer in the revolution of programming and _her_ theories were the inspiration behind _COBOL,_ a language still used today. After all, just about everything can place it's creation down to a woman. Could be an interesting video to say the least.

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah for sure - the question is, can I decipher COBOL....

So it wasn't Steve Wozniak/Jobs!

I'd love to see a video about Konrad Zuse, because outside of Germany he's way too overshadowed by Alan Turing

Forgot to comment last time but loving that brick wall!

Regarding the great man theory: While I have not researched into it, from my observations, the impact an individual has on the world really does depend on the conditions of that time. An example that would come to mind is Genghis Khan, who in a short span of time was able to unite the Mongol Steppes and create a huge impact. Military power which underpinned his conquest heavily relied on the use of horses, and the climate change at the time was just right, so that the fodder and food that horses ate grew in sufficient quantity to support their military forces in the steppes, thus helping Genghis Khan, with his personal ability to unite the steppes. As mentioned above, the external conditions at the time greatly aided Genghis Khan in achieving his goals, resulting in his descendants who built the largest Empire by land mass, while it was a short lived Empire, it allowed him to tug at history, signifying the impact that a single individual can have. I hope the above provided some insight upon the great man theory. Please take what I have said above with a grain of salt. If I failed to explain anything properly please do mention it.

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Ah that's interesting! I am so ignorant about Genghis Khan, really liked learning the horse theory.

@nakulshankar8389

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc Yes. The use of horses at that time allowed them to sweep away medieval forces who were bogged down by heavy armour. The Mongols also mastered the art of using the bow on horseback and even developed the early beginnings of a compound bow to aid them. Apparently soldiers at the time were equipped with upto 4-5 horses.

far from mediocre my man ❤️

Ppl read the book, it is amazing

Amazing, imagine a nickname like Lick and being in the Pentagon. Bring me back to those days.

So what about Xerox supposedly inventing the mouse controlling a desktop computer and Steve Jobs getting access to basically steal the idea?

@PhilEdwardsInc

Жыл бұрын

The computer that Apple copied kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZX9plKh9oa--Y8Y.html

I'm curious if he sayinh this is a personal channel he makes personal videos because he's trying to distance himself from Vox or because he's afraid maybe he'll get in trouble for making the same content that he makes for them? Because in my opinion he made Vox what it is pretty much. Vox Almanac is fucking awesome. I know there was a lot of other people who made a lot of other content and a lot of other people behind the scenes who made those videos happened but for the most part most of the Vox videos I saw were Phil. I've seen his channel grow so much in last couple months and I'm happy for him. Can't wait for him to hit a million+ subs. Hopefully he can work on his own channel full time make all of the money Instead of working for Vox. That would be awesome and we will get more Phil Edward content.

@seththebeatmxchine

2 жыл бұрын

And the only problem I have with Phil's channel is that I've binge watched every video already and now have to wait for his videos to come out and that makes me sad

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks StBM

it was allende an his team in Chile

Internet was in the Titanic Marconi

Is it me or is Phil just alternate reality Adam Savage who decided to do history lessons and content creation rather than movie props and tv shows.

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

I saw him once from a distance and he seemed really cool. I think he was wearing a cowboy hat.

@spoonamus7300

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc and probably wearing a retro nasa meatball font shirt. Yep that's Adam.

Algorithmic punch!

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

fist bump back!

Internet may also be considered much proof against the big man theory; one of the big outcomes of DARPA was open collaborative engineering processes for Request-For-Comments etc that kickstarted what was to evolve into IETF and later W3C. Maybe it can be seen as moving the thought processes that had existing in academia for centuries but applying them to engineering instead. While nothing is perfect, it accelerated evolution of ideas and technologies. Roadblocks such as hacking patterns into standards, or limiting involvement to a select few companies, etc goes away when everyone has the ability to participate. And when good and bad ideas are allowed to be tested early, stupid non-perfect RFCs are allowed to be released, you see the acceleration of technology (compared to e.g. NIST, ISO, ANSI, ITU etc that do great work slowly and by design reduce who can easily participate… also NIST does some work in the open-engineering mindset, such as when they develop standards like AES, SHA-3 etc in open challenge forms) One of these things is like “how do you address someone” where you see fundamentally different approach in email/DNS compared to ITU X-standards. ITU’s approach is very structured and arguably better. Internet proponents realizes that there is too much structure and that the order is not helpful to how humans think. Thus IETF select the internet email addressing scheme that has its flaws but has the benefit that most humans natively understands it. The better idea often wins in open engineering where a totality of aspects are considered; that better idea would be easily missed in more closed engineering processes where only experts with the most standards oriented mindset from maybe less than 10 engineering firms participate in the process. So open engineering collaboration; that’s what I think was one of the big outcomes from DARPA, aside from visions and interesting Network prototypes.

@amymccormack7059

2 жыл бұрын

I think you are on to something. Fundamental to my lack of interest in the great man theory is what the end result is - a lack of funding to institutions. If the great man theory is held then it is argued easily that we dont need to invest in science and art as "great man" will still move us forward either way. However, if we look from an institutional or structural view then we must invest in these things to move us forward. We understand that by having more people with the resources and connections to innovate then we can improve. It's the same with the crafted narratives that a guy in his shed/garage changed the world (Newton or Gates being examples) which ignores all the resources they needed to do so (including other peoples' work) and makes it seem that people dont need resources to change things.

@randomgeocacher

2 жыл бұрын

@@amymccormack7059 maybe the best approach is to put everything into perspective. Great (wo)men may provide new directions or thoughts; but to get things done actual works needs to be performed. Like Space-X, where Musk and others provided the financial framework and ideas on how to do space differently. To look away from the impact of letting people work differently is insane, but one must also realize it is the contributions of thousands that makes something go to space. That’s what I tend to come back to regarding DARPA / ARPANet, the main contributions were a mix of visions and new ways of working. Once this was in place, their open collaboration became one the worlds greatest hotbeds for new ideas. Everyone from government, large corporation, small companies, universities, random people and what not could collaborate with ideas. Sure, someone with good reputation has much easier to get their ideas accepted, but in theory anyone can participate in producing new internet technologies.

Long answer no short answer yes!

can you do a video on the etymology of janky?

@sirrahca

2 жыл бұрын

like what in the world does it come from? is it one of those sort of benign slang terms with bigoted origins, like "gy**ed"?

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting but inconclusive! www.dictionary.com/e/slang/janky/

OMG YOU HAVE YOUR OWN CHANNEL! I HAVE WASTED SO MUCH TIME…

yea

6:56 ... That's not the internet. Not anymore than Asmiov's descriptions. Or Nikola Tesla's plans for his Tesla coils: (sending newspapers and photographs electronically). As you later point out with Clarke. This boils down to the great men view of history vs movements. Any of the great inventors are products of their time. And only when they are plucked out of their time and isolated, do they seem leaps and bounds ahead. We even do this with contemporary figures. Phones were becoming smarter and smarter. Some even had touch screens. That was where it was moving. Iphone was the first to do it really well, and so it made a big splash. But it didn't come out of no where. Similarly, people think we decided to go to the moon and then just went, and so they find that suspicious. And they find that we haven't gone since suspicious. But if you look at the history, you see a very steady progression of rockets, and then in manned space flight in Mercury, Gemini, and then Apollo. They took each step along the staircase to the moon. They didn't really leap. Plus not to mention the incredible levels of funding they were getting. Which even at the time were incredibly unpopular in Congress and in the public. Considering the whole context of any given moment is difficult. Which is why great men of history prevail. It's a simple explanation.

@IanZainea1990

2 жыл бұрын

Crap. And then you go on to talk about great man theory haha. Finish the video first! Oy! Lol

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Haha I'd assumed you had written that after watching. Great minds! (Edit: Great minds may be a poor choice of words. Minds surfing similar intellectual historical currents, I mean.)

@IanZainea1990

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc haha, I see what you did there!

@IanZainea1990

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc Something I think a good amount of people struggle with is that everything around us is made up by people. From the internet, to road layouts, to government/constitution. People thought about it for a while, and designed/wrote what they thought might be best. And if we don't think it's the best, we can change it too, we can make up new stuff. Anyways, all that is to say. I think the internet largely sucks. I'm not sure it's a net positive the way it is. If you're up for it, I would be interested in a video about an alternate internet. Maybe comments don't exist, you have to write emails to comment. Or everyone is given a government issued email (like a social security number), and that's the only one and its not anonymous. Maybe all anonymity is banned, having to register a pseudonym like an author. Maybe 95% of the internet is paid (Bill gates once envisioned each MSN article being a 5 cents cost). Maybe it's more siloed, with distinct services being available, maps/navigation, encyclopedia style info, newspapers, person websites/blogs (no comments)... An overall less reliance on advertising and virality, where it's not presented as a "do anything, meet everyone" place... as we are more and more realizing, para-social relationships aren't healthy. We actually see some of this. With facebook marketplace crowding out craigslist for example. FB marketplace ties your marketplace to your real account, so there is credibility and accountability. Craigslist has none of that. If instead of FB, it had been a government email/account, the same result would happen. You wouldn't want to endanger your reputation. Others: More control over what is put online. 18+ websites are actually enforced via your government email. What if next-up suggestions were never a thing? What if, you had to register your site in a category, like "Journalism" or "opinion" or "entertainment" ... etc. And each came with various expectations and regulations. The government email thing presents a lot of issues as well though, you don't want the government having all that information at their fingertips, nor do you want private companies like FB having it. Maybe with the government it would be easier to control/regulate as the constitutional implications would be vastly less murky. Anyhow. I know I'm only one guy suggesting this. But since we were on a similar wave length once, I thought maybe you'd be interested!

Al Gore: I Help Develop The Internet though out Congress....

You make consumable intellect

Tim Berners-Lee

@ericpmoss

Жыл бұрын

Well, that’s the web based on html.

Sure, Lick invented the Internet. But Ryusuke Moriai invented the Casio F-91W

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

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LONG LIVE LICKLIDER

Never been this early to a video

Woohoo another video.

no joke, was the Adam Perlis the inspiration for professor X?

Go read Vannevar Bush's "As We May Think. " I'll be waiting for the video afters...

@PhilEdwardsInc

Жыл бұрын

good tip!

@rockets4kids

Жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc In regards to the history of Silicon Valley, you might also want to read up on Frederick Terman.

aint that just arnim zola

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Epic gamer

I like your style friend, consider yourself subscribed.

drop the ‘lider’, it’s cleaner

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

lol i could have used this when i was editing this video

@lenjamin

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc run it by me next time 😮‍💨

Well, I haven't read any of the comments but I'm sure plenty have already mentioned Tim Burners-Lee. He basically expanded the idea of ARPA Net and wrote standards so that it could be useful. And when talking about this stuff, we have to be careful with our terms. The internet and the world wide web are two different things. TimBL wrote the standards for WWW. This is the first topic on this channel that I actually know something about being that I went to school for computer science, yet I still learned something. I'm sure I'll get corrected about TimBL or something else. I welcome it. I haven't studied this stuff in years.

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he was the only person I’d heard of before this too - I found the prehistory to be pretty interesting - just seems so visionary in an era when computers were soooo hard to use.

@xliquidflames

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc I remembered another one. I remember reading about Bob Kahn and another guy who's name is not coming to me. They wrote the standards for TCP/IP which, without that, no networking would be possible, much less the internet. Edit: I had to look it up. Vincent Cerf was the other guy that worked on the first TCP/IP standards.

@PhilEdwardsInc

2 жыл бұрын

@@xliquidflames Yea - on my side, all these Arpanet histories make Lawrence Roberts seem really important to actually making it happen. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Roberts_(scientist)

@gravityissues5210

2 жыл бұрын

"He basically expanded the idea of ARPA Net and wrote standards so that it could be useful." Uh, ok, so I found the Internet plenty useful in 1988 long before Sir Tim borrowed a lot of existing technologies (like one mentioned here, hypertext) to create the WWW. Plenty of other applications exist for it, from email via SMPT and POP, to file transfer via FTP and UUCP, to remote shell access via rsh, to chat applications, and even the ability to embarrass yourself and get into "flamewars" via the Usenet (aka newsgroups). Even the "Internet of Things" is not a new idea: there were kids at CMU who put a vending machine on the internet back in the 80s; you could query how many sodas were left by running yet another (long-forgotten) internet protocol called "finger"--a protocol, BTW, that had a fatal flaw that led to one of the first widespread internet viruses (look up the _Morris Worm_ from 1988). And for a brief period of time in the early 90s, the WWW even had a bit of competition in the form of a protocol called gopher, invented at the University of Minnesota. TBL got lucky, basically, inventing almost nothing, but instead just wiring together other people's stuff (hypertext, SGML, etc) and then it just happened to take off--and is now mostly used in ways it was never designed for and is incredibly poor at handling (its stateless nature, for example, is why we have to now "accept cookies" to make it do all this stuff people want it to do, like, remember settings, etc).