This was the first-ever episode of "The Pakistan Experience" I listened to - and this happened to be the audio-podcast version. As a 75 years old Pakistani living abroad, I simply loved it and remained riveted listening to it right through to the end. So why do I rate this discussion so high? These two words describe that best: it was honest & unbiased. Ordinarily, we tend to exalt our leaders to a level that we start to think of them as super-human, which they are not. For whatever reasons, we have transformed and catapulted Quaid-e-Azam to a level that mentioning a shortfall in his character or actions is construed as blasphemy. Thank you, Dr. Ishtiaq, for your honesty in portraying the Quaid as a human - the way Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre have done in "The Freedom at Midnight". And lest I forget, the young-looking host (I apologize for not knowing your name) surprised me pleasantly with his knowledge, intriguing questions and indeed a very smiling demeanour. Young man! You have a great future ahead: just don't hope and predict, remain focused creating it. PS. Goes without saying that I'm now subscribed to your channel. ❤️

@usmanazam4662

2 жыл бұрын

Ma Sha Allah Great to see the admiration coming from someone who saw the initial years of freedom closely. 👌💯🤝 P.s. The host name is Shehzad Ghias Sheikh, a lawyer, a Comedian and a Lums grad. 🎓

@zeejah

10 ай бұрын

Ditto! Old and impressed by Shahzad!

@aashirkhanjadoon1499

10 ай бұрын

any one can tell me the name of book which he is referring

@sa7375

10 ай бұрын

@@aashirkhanjadoon1499 The book is "Jinnah: His Successes, Failures and Role in History". by Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed

@pankaja7974

9 ай бұрын

as a paxtani, I hope you are **not** doing dawah abroad as otherwise in a few years you will have to find a new kafirum mulk to move to

Good informatic and intellectual discussion..... Love from India 🇮🇳

@hussainshah2384

3 жыл бұрын

Yub

@induchopra3014

Жыл бұрын

Jinnah created an Islamic country that no muslim wants to visit. Noone lining for their citizenship. No muslim wants to migrate to Pakistan

He is the first balanced intellectual in subcontinent i have come across. I like the dispassionate way he deals with history. Very competent. His courage , awe inspiring

@brachisaurous

3 жыл бұрын

u forgot "hats off"

@AadityaVermaCS-

3 жыл бұрын

@@brachisaurous HATS OFF!

@Hassan-ki4un

2 жыл бұрын

Just because he fits your narrative of bashing Pakistan you guys find him balanced intellectual Lets see if you feel the same if he shows the true mirror of India too

@sakshikhandelwal7308

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hassan-ki4un if he is bashing Pakistan,so what's the harm. Its truth he is saying. We also criticise India when govt. Do wrong things.. its been 75 years that u guys hvnt realised your mistakes. And thats why Pakistan has never been developed

@ravishingravi

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hassan-ki4un I would love to hear your counter points.

Prof. Dr. Ishtiaq is not only a genuine scholar but also a remarkable human being. May he live long happily.

@chuckshurley-exgod8206

5 ай бұрын

​@2107Slash no history book in India talk much about jinnah ,

I am an Indian from Bengal and I follow pakistani politics for past couple of years very closely. Very interesting discussion. Keep up the good work borther and hats off to professor 🙏

@sanjayshrivastava8671

11 ай бұрын

And never forget Bengal was one of key conspirators for dividing India & mass killings of Hindus by then head Sohrawardi.

@arnabmondal3152

11 ай бұрын

@@sanjayshrivastava8671 I agree.

I'll start with pointing out the positives of this podcast: A) Highly enlightening. B) Based on facts and evidences, hence, scientific in nature. C) Unbiased interpretation and its elucidation of facts. D) Dr. Ahmed a man of very high intellectual prowess. E) Thodi si taareef host ki bhi karni banti hai jisne itna patiently anchor kiya. And more importantly he had courage to accept the things that went wrong on Jinnah's end.

One of the best discussions on your channel. It was a treat to listen to Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed.

Every Pakistani should follow and study Isthiaq Ahmed, then ALL doubts will be Cleared . He is very objective.

I like Dr.Sahib. reminds me of my old Uncle.inspires respect and affection. Though I am a punjabi Hindu.🙏 But.muslims can't have it both ways.cant have its cake and eat it too..

I often listen from people of other countries and even in India that India was a secular state and now it is moving towards becoming Hindu Rastra. This is not the case. India was never a secular state. It is propaganda form all the political parties of India for the outside people. Yes, India does not have any state religion but that does not imply that a country that does not have any state religion is a secular state. A truly secular state is a state which does not give any kind of religious preference to any community. In India for Muslims there is a Muslim personal law which is based on Sharia law, Muslim can legally follow polygamy, Triple talaq (only instant Triple talaq is banned in 2017), and others Sharia law. For Non-muslim there is the Hindu Code Bill, Which is based on modern society values and does not allow any kind of religious preference. In my opinion, India will become a truly secular state when India implements the Uniform civil code which I don't see it in the near future.

@SherSingh-mk9th

3 жыл бұрын

@Praful Patel That's why he was cunning.

@rupendra79

3 жыл бұрын

@nwfp nwfp By 2030 PK shall become largest Muslim country (presently it is 2nd), may be then you shall start claiming that 'Islam originated in PK'. Good luck with your fictional - history about India.

@rupendra79

3 жыл бұрын

@nwfp nwfp Indian National Congress (b. 1885), RSS (b. 1925). Since when have these political parties have become fount of history? Or may be in PK you don't get to read 'history' as a standalone subject, everything is studied through the prism of religion or politics.

@AliHassan-nz1eq

3 жыл бұрын

Your statement is contradicting ,when we said india is not secular we talking about discrimination not about muslims laws .second your point about uniform civil code is clearly against democratic values and norms ,government run state on behalf of public ,how any government impose some laws on minority on the the basis of majority .

@rupendra79

3 жыл бұрын

@@AliHassan-nz1eq In 1946 elections Muslim league won 87% seats reserved for Muslims all over India. In democracy as you know with 51% is simple majority but here Muslims supported overwhelming supported the creation of Pakistan. In 1941, Muslim population was 24.08% while Muslims got 26% land (PK + BD) from United India. 1951, Muslims in India = 9.8% 2011, Muslims in India = 14.2%. Pakistan (1941) = non-muslim = 20%, now 2-3%. Bangladesh (1941) = non-muslim = 28%, now 9%. You cannot have both way. I want Pakistan, get more than your population then stay in India, increase your population & demand all Islamic rights. If you have problem in India, you are free to leave as migration is nothing new. Remember Islam is 2nd largest religion with 58 countries & 1.9Billion population. While Hindus have just 2 countries with 1.15B population. So Muslims are in majority not 'minority', which you claim

I splendidly listen Prof. Saab's words. I am from Nepal and have a great interest in Partition History and Prof. Saab is a great help in this regard. I have learnt to read Urdu script with great labor without any teacher. This is my third Script after Devnagari and Roman .

@rayzimmerman6740

5 ай бұрын

Much respect. Good luck on your journey, and I hope you inspire other youth to follow in your footsteps.

@thinkingcitizen

5 ай бұрын

Amazing bro. All of South Asia should be together ❤

@UzairAshrafj

Ай бұрын

Great

Thank you so much, DOCTOR SAHIB JEE.

Jinnah's daughter's claim on his Bombay house in court is based on the argument that jinnah was khoja Ismaili and therefore his inheritance should be in accordance of Hindu personal law and not muslim personal law in India.

@aminahshahid8878

3 жыл бұрын

Khoja ismailis are muslims as well thus his inheritance should be in accordance with Islamic law

@71espn

3 жыл бұрын

@@aminahshahid8878 According to indian personal law, It isn't.

@vinamrasinghai2339

3 жыл бұрын

@@aminahshahid8878 What she was saying that Jinnah followed Hindu laws in the property.

@vineetsinghgusain701

3 жыл бұрын

Lo ji ... kya pagalpan hai

@nasirsayani662

3 жыл бұрын

@@aminahshahid8878 Bhai Ismailis are indeed Muslims but they don't abide by 7th century discriminatory laws, they abide by the law of the land wherever they live, based on that she should get her inheritance, do they deserve that is a different issue. And my suggestion to all Muslims is to abandon 7th century laws, in this age and time these laws are inhumane, and discriminatory, you being a woman should be against it.

1 of Best dialogues that ever happened in Pakistan. Dear professor sir is as usual ocean of wisdom. Here more impressive is this young bloke . U r daamn professional dude Man@ 12👌👌

I love Dr Ishtiyaq sb. My favourite. Such encyclopedic knowledge and such humility.

Thanks for sharing your valuable thoughts and knowledge related to history.

01:00:00 The spirit of islam by syed ameer ali One summer day doesn't make a summer

So much of learning by Professor Ishtiaq Ahmed! Astonishing!!!

I must admit the interest and knowledge of Mr. Shahzad Ghias and also for hosting this show.

Excellent......professor is very knowledgeable and unbiased......❤️

👍👍👍👍 another great discussion!! always feel much more aware about our history and reality!! after watching ur shows.!

Great scholor. Thanks for uploading

@Gappasappa

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePakistanExperience your videos and interview questions are superb!! Must watch material for those who 🧡 history. Keep it up

DR Sb is one of the greatest political Scientists of Subcontinent

Excellent program... well conducted and truly informative. Keep it up.

@induchopra3014

Жыл бұрын

Jinnah had no vision of india or Pakistan. He was not capable of vision or thought. He had no thinking about future of Pakistan. British had plans for Pakistan. To control it for tacking Russia. Used, left, discarded. Thats the story of Pakistan. They are clueless about future now. They are trying to use China. But not succeeeding

Excellent interview very grateful to dr sb for bring out his prospective of history.

thanks for arranging this important lecture

I always learn something new, every time I listen to professor sahab. And i feel good to see that you have a meaningful podcast, and you are a bell read man. Bravo

@induchopra3014

Жыл бұрын

PAKISTAN will become worse than Afghanistan soon

This is so informative

Jinnah was influenced by his law education in England and was indeed secular. There were Hindus in the constituent assembly and Jogendra Nath Mandal was his Minister of Justice and Jagannath Azad wrote the national anthem of Pakistan. The mixing of religion and politics began immediately with the " Objectives Resolution ". Neither Mohammed Ali Jinnah or Kemal Ataturk can sustain secularism in Muslim dominated countries. Hundreds of thousands of Mumtaz Qadris exist ( millions, really!!) in Muslim societies who ferverently believe that ALLAH has given them the brief of keeping a noxious political ideology of secularism should should be kept away from the Islam-sanitized lands.🙂🙂🙂

@subhasisghosh66

Жыл бұрын

Jogendranth Mondal was a mere figurehead. There is no record of him having done anything substantive during his time as a Central Minister. He could see the Islamisation of Pakistan, came to India, completely disillusioned and died in obscurity.

@prajithr2202

9 ай бұрын

Jinnah was neither secular or fundemental. He was an opportunist. A proper policitian who craved power and would do anything to get it.

@lepetitprince2188

4 ай бұрын

Jinnah wasn't secular. He converted his parsy wife into Islam, and he laer cut ties with his daughter when she decided to marry a parsy. I wouldn't call such a person secular.

Thanks a lot. I learnt so much about partition.

Very informative show man, keep it up.

Very instructive and informative. Love from Dhong ,Gujerkhan,Pakistan.

Sir, We need NOBLE PERSON LIKE DR. ISHTIAQ SAHIB in Pakistan, Unfortunately We are full of Religious FANATICS, ROGUE ARMY GENERALS AND DISHONEST HISTORIANS in our SOCIETY. We need a Honest, logical and Greedless people like DR. ISHTIAQ. IN PAKISTAN OUR SOCIETY IS DYING AND THIRSTY FOR REAL AND HONEST PEOPLE.

@manansharma6348

2 жыл бұрын

tera naam hi religious fanatic h

Hi Shezad, I am writing midway through this podcast, writing now so that I dont forget later. It would be really nice to have a list of the book references Dr. Ishtiaq mentioned here, if feasible. I may not be able to read all the books but a few might be possible. Btw excellent and informative session this with Dr. Ishtiaq, quite a myth buster. Many thanks for that! More power to you!

@aashirkhanjadoon1499

10 ай бұрын

kindly tell the book name plz

Such a clarity of thoughts , depth of knowledge and a straight talker

بہت خوب

Can’t get enough of this.

ڈاکٹر اشتیاق کی باتیں بڑی قابل غور ہیں

I have read extensively about the Quaid of Pakistan. Have come across certain articles which state that he was a Thakkar gujarati. His father was born hindu and they decided to embrace Islam in their lifetime around the time the Quaid was born. This was because they were maritime traders and also traded in fish, which was not approved of by the Thakkar community. Need to know how true this is.

@induchopra3014

Жыл бұрын

Its true. Thats why jinnah was hateful of hindus. He was hindu earlier..he had a grudge. He sold fish. His village was vegetarian

@rayzimmerman6740

5 ай бұрын

In the grand scheme of things, how does it matter? Your shit don't smell??

Subscribed as discussion looked informative. Cheers from India 🇮🇳

Very balanced discussion by prof sab

I was waiting for dr saab s new interview

I admire Dr Ishtiyaq Ahmed Knowledge

I love to listen him . He is soo honest and truthful. He tells about the Pakistan history soo well . My very favorite historian. Stay blessed 🙏🙏

such a pleasant , humble and knowledgeable person. 👏👏👏

Pleasing. Nice 👍

In India Secularism is synonymous with Muslim appeasement.

@anshuraj4277

Жыл бұрын

No...lol Parties appease all communities for votes

@bulu9214

Жыл бұрын

@@anshuraj4277 I am talking about secularism not about which party appease whom. The secular parties are at the fore front of bowing down to Islamists and their demands.

@MdsalamMd-cx1wc

5 ай бұрын

And bjp always appease hindus like karsewak would not be punished even after he has done a crime

Dear Dr Sahab, please read my question. Oppression of Muslims in Kashmir Oppression of Muslims in Balochistan Oppression of Muslims in Sindh Oppression of Muslims in KPK Oppression of Muslims in Punjab (west) How should one must decide which and where to fight the oppression of Muslims?

A great teacher a great resercher a great writer......thank you Dr Ishtiaq Sb.

Hard to defend a man like jinnah... you tried well...

For me this interview is informative regarding knowledge of history

I enjoy Dr. Ahmed due to his deep knowledge and his disproportionate modesty.

Good discussion.. But Pakistan has already killed it's minority, and now they are going after Shia. Please do not compare Pak with India..

@rubymehtab8716

Жыл бұрын

With respect and India isn’t

Excellent discussion that deserves to be widely heard. It would help if you could break it down into smaller parts to facilitate easier sharing and ensure listening by the less patient.

Dr.Ishtiaq Ahmed sir thank you for your wisdom. The interviewer have lake of knowledge about India and Modi/BJP also about RSS. He just talked liked another guy from facebook keyboard warrior. When you ask question with allegations on someone you should also have to quote proof.

@SAV743

Жыл бұрын

If modi is butcher n Does RSS is a murderer

SIr very informative and amazing

sirji .enlightenment and Jinnah discovery ..good work !

Thank you so much Dear Doctor Sahib and Shezad for this brilliant and eyeopener chat. Cleared to some extent THE ENIGMATIC AND THE PRAGMATIC approach of THE QAUID. Thanks again.

When the book is going to be published? Publisher name?

Dr. Ishtyaq ahmed saab jaisa insaan aur koi nahi dekha maine..... Hairani hoti he ke wo kitne unbiased hain..... God bless him🎉

Sir which book from KL Gauba are you quoting as reference ?

Dr Saab is a fine human

I can’t find the first interview with Dr sahib. Can you share the link please.

Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed is unbelievably honest man. Doesn't mince his words!!! Kudos to you Sir. Amazing podcast @Shehzad GS.

@ThePakistanExperience

6 ай бұрын

🙌

Mr Ishtiaq, where can I buy your book Jinnah from. I live in USA and Amazon says this book is currently not available.

@ 56:20 - Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed perfectly described Islamic logic in response to illogical argument, “Islam is at the centre of the state doesn’t make Pakistan an Islamic state.” I have listened to hundreds of Islamic scholars like Mr. Jawed Ghamdi and Zakir Naik - they all twist the words; for example verses in the Quran mean exactly opposite of what’s actually written. The clause in the Pakistani constitution, “only Muslim can be the president and the prime minister” means every Pakistani is equal. This is the wonder of Islamic thinking.

@subhasisghosh66

Жыл бұрын

The basic problem is that the source itself is not unidirectional. There are contradictions. Hence it is convenient to twist each sentence to mean exactly the opposite of what appears in normal reading.

Are your book available in net mean audiobook

Just like to share one thing that , King of Afghanistan Amir abdur Rehman also talked about the partition of Sub continent in his book which was published in 1904 . This book was written by the king itself with the help of katib ( Official writer of government )

@rayzimmerman6740

5 ай бұрын

Thank you

Good analysis, proffessor ahmed is gud intellectual.

Please share the link for this book!

I am listening "The Pakistan Experience" from last two weeks consistently and I have to say Hats off to you Shahzad Sheikh for giving us these beautiful intellectual conversations. Hats off brother👋👋👋

Nice 👍

Dr. Ishtiaq is always encouraging to his juniors. Wish I could have more opportunities to learn from him.

@induchopra3014

Жыл бұрын

If Jinnah was secular,then why did he create Pakistan? If he was so kind to minority why did hindu Sikhs were driven out of their homes which went to Pakistan. If Jinnah was secular then who are iskamists. Who are radicals,fanatics? Which leader provokes them? Jinnah was the leader of secular Muslims or radical fundamentalists? Or,he was simply used by the British? To again divide,India like Bengal. Where was hatred when bengal was divided? Where was a jinnah? No. Because British has a divide and rule policy.

Dr.sb. may Allah SWT live you long to advocate this poor called PAKISTAN.

The way he debunk conspiracies is awsome. Great academic.

Wow great learning from learneds

Sir mai shimla se hu or wo train ajj b chalti hai kalka-shimla. Sun k bda acha lga itne bde-2 log yaha aye hai...

Shehzad is a very sharp and informed guy and I admire Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed. An excellent discussion.

Dr Saheb, you have opened the gate-way of knowledge towards understanding creation of Pakistan and the developments since 14th August 1947. Dr. Saheb, I will be grateful if you tell me how the members of the first Assembly/ Constituent Assembly were elected or selected.

@induchopra3014

Жыл бұрын

Pakistan will never by friendly to India because then they loose their victim card,and begging bowl and how will they sell India hate. They only sell India hate. We have to go for one India or break Pakistan and make sindhudesh. Noother option. If India has to live,Pakistan has to die. More it lives,more it will hamper indias growth and create roadblocks. India should end their story..look at Germany. So progressive, strong now. This is what India should copy. Increase freedom,economic prosperity, standard of living here. Pakistan will die like East Germany.

Very inspiring way of elaborating forgotten history of indo pak

Great program as always, but the last one with dr sb was more didactic, informative, and perhaps inclusive. But great effort. Keep it up. Pakistan needs voices like you, now more than ever.

@rayzimmerman6740

5 ай бұрын

Didactic? How so?

جناح کو مسلمانوں کی تاریخ کا پتہ نہیں تھا جبکہ ازاد کو اسلامی تاریخ کا پورا ادراک تھا

@ahmadhassan7833

9 ай бұрын

😊😊

EXcellent EXcellent Excellent

The shia sunni debate is similar to how both Buddhists and jains claim Ajatshatru the 2nd great Haryanka ruler of the Maghad Empire.

What is the name of the book?

We Hindu of world are obliged to 🇵🇰jinna sahab kaid e azam as g8 purifying service to Hinduism bcz we love ishtaq sahab as our guru of history. Plz take more green land of us but take remaing 💯🛕🐄🙏Love ❤u Pakistan🇵🇰 plz take remaining land & people pakistani 🇵🇰here ❤

great informative program also professor sb have great knowledge

@ThePakistanExperience

7 ай бұрын

🙌

1:09:14 just nailed it man!! Behind that mosque 🕌 also Always lahore is and will be famous bcz of two special monuments but will develop & shine only after deserving recognition of that “behind structure”….❤❤ Lahore is unluckiest lucky city to not identifying gem 💎 it had produced… Undoubtedly dr. Ishtiaq ahamad is unreservedly & unparalleled best historian & knowledge provided of contemporary.. Thanks to u as well for inviting him for detailed discussions without any hassle

@subhasisghosh66

Жыл бұрын

What is this "behind the mosque" structure?

@induchopra3014

Жыл бұрын

Lov pur . Lov ki city. Now Islamic. How long. Ram kuch karega. Lov hamara tha ,hai rahega.

He's BACK! Been waiting ❤️

aapke pure discussion v jogendranath mandal ke example se ye samajh me aata hei ki puri muslim leeg=muslim aleet jhansebaaz thi,v aaj tak hei.

Congratulations sir

This channel actually does represent the modern Pakistani generation people

Dr Sahab, what is ur response to the statement that Hinduism is inherently secular and Islam does not provide space to other religions in similar way.

Dr. Ahmed's book on Mr. Jinnah is an objective, dispassionate and a balanced study,even though one does disagree with certain conclusions that he has drawn. Worth and recommended reading.

مجھ سے اکثر پوچھا جاتا ہے کہ پاکستان کا طرز حکومت کیا ہوگا؟ میں کون ہوتا ہوں پاکستان کے طرز حکومت کا فیصلہ کرنے والا؟ مسلمانوں کا طرز حکومت آج سے 13 سو سال پہلے قرآن مجید نے وضاحت کے ساتھ بیان کر دیا تھا۔ الحمدللہ قرآن مجید ہماری رہنمائی کے لیے موجود ہے اور تا قیامت موجود رہے گا۔ (مسلم اسٹوڈنٹس فیڈریشن جالندھر کے اجلاس سے خطاب‘ 12جون 1947ء)

@sumitchalana1737

2 ай бұрын

Tbhi tumhara bedaa gark h.... Gark hi rahega ....

" Afsos Ki Hum Doodh Se Bhi Jal Jaatey Hain " We were hoping for a very open relationship between Pakistan and India. It was a divine experience to see Pakistani cricketers play in joint teams in IPL 20 :20 matches. Pakistan and India have so much in common. With due respect to their proud national identities, both countries have the closest historical, cultural, geographic,social, religious and linguistic bonds . Still, we treat each other with so much suspicion . We may place our trusts in very distinct people but we do not have confidence in each other. THIS IS SAD. We are reminded of a famous dialogue from the blockbuster Indian film " Pakeezah" when the bold and fearless Raj Kumar faces the ire of a cautious Hakim Sahib ( Sapru ) for giving shelter to Meena Kumari. Hakim Sahib : Doodh Ka Jala Chhachh Bhi Phook Phook Kar Pita Hai Raj Kumar : AFSOS KI LOG DOODH SE BHI JAL JATEY HAIN

@alizawasimkhan1324

2 жыл бұрын

We need to spread love and build trust!

@akaj188

2 жыл бұрын

Jenab @@alizawasimkhan1324 Sahib Adaab Indeed

@Striker-jg9kv

2 жыл бұрын

Allah ki gaand me lulli aur gando Nabi laudakhor tattikhor Muhammad ki badboodar ghazi haji namazi aashiq gay rasool pichwada me lulla ho Akbar 🐖🕋💩

@rayzimmerman6740

5 ай бұрын

Bahut Khub....

@akaj188

5 ай бұрын

Jenab @@rayzimmerman6740 Sahib.Adaab Thanks

Congratulations Shehzad for excellent show. Please do a show with Doctor Mubarik Ali and Ayesha Jalal too.

@deepakmishra8935

3 жыл бұрын

Tum sab aapas mei ek dusre ko maar daalo.........Jihad kr lo aapas mei............Mar Jao.... Bomb blast kro ek dusre par........ rape kro aapas mei ek dusre ki bahen betiyo k saath........fir Jannat M chale Jao.......osama.Laden, khadim rizvi k paas.......72 hooro ki bund chodo jaake.....mauj lo....m allla allla khair salla.....

Sir can't agree more with you ...

100 % Sach hai kio k Pakistan mey aaj bhi koi Muhammad ali jinnah per PHD nhi kar sakta

Agree with this gentleman