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Bought the same model about 6 weeks ago, had similar issues with the stock tuners: I didn't have a "ping" sound, but I experienced the same poor tuning accuracy with all the free-wheeling, and poor stability. Upgraded to the Gotoh tuners (thanks to your advice and demonstration!), and now the tuning accuracy is great and very stable. Another benefit, which I hadn't anticipated, is that now I'm getting far less noise from unpicked strings.

@LonelyRocker

2 ай бұрын

Awesome!! Glad it all worked out!!

I have grover tuners on mine, but the guitar is equipped with a floyd and locking nuts. I never goes out of tune. Great guitar

@loudguitarist

5 ай бұрын

Me too! Besides, you cannot change strings gauges, tuners, and not expect a setup after it's done. Nut can also now be an issue if the strings or even one string doesn't fit as well.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Nice. the Gotohs are really nice. Happy I made the switch. Took me almost a year to find them!!!!

i picked one of these guitars up for 800 bucks off guitar center and i love it. it was basically brand new as well

@LonelyRocker

2 ай бұрын

Sweet deal! Just change the tuners ;)

Hey Lonely Rocker, thanks for the honest review. This definitely helped me learn a ton about this guitar.

@LonelyRocker

4 ай бұрын

My pleasure! So glad it helped you out!! 😎🎸🤟🏼

I’ve owned the FR S version for about two years now, with a locking nut I can’t comment on the tuners. In terms of everything else it’s been rock solid through various climates. In fact, it’s so solid it amazes me when temps change through the seasons and all my other guitars require a truss rod adjustment, but this one stays stable.

The Schecters are great especially for the price you pay (even more so if you wait for a sale or look for B Stock) and I love the SLS Elite you have here and the PT ones as well. I luckily did not have these tuner issues (although I do personally love Graph Tech Ratio tuners) and would have changed them as well. Something to note ( at least especially lately ) is if you buy a Suhr new and especially a custom build you get crushed at resale. I have had 3 Suhrs. They are good guitars but I could buy 2 or 3 Schecters for the prices I paid new for them. Although I like Suhr and feel they are well made after getting the Schecters setup they just play easy and are fantastic. I now have NO Suhrs and 4 Schecters and a Ted Stevenson (which the build quality is fantastic and since you're in Canada you should really try one) and I couldn't be happier. On a couple of the Schecters I did put my own electronics / pickups in for my own taste benefit but I can't recommend Schecter enough. Other ones worth note where you get a lot of bang for the buck is Ibanez Prestige and Charvel Pro Mod. Great video and glad you revisited this after spending some time with it. Was fun to hear about what you like and didn't like. Will be cool to see the next review on it when you have had a chance to spend more time with the new tuners installed and a proper re-setup.

I have 3 SLS basses, 2 Hellraiser basses and 1 GT bass, I play these with a heavy right hand technique and do not have these issues on the bass side. This is coming from a player that has a signature Mike Lull bass and used to quality. Interesting though, thanks for sharing. 😎🤙🏽💥

@LonelyRocker

2 ай бұрын

My pleasure. Seems split on who shares my issues. At best the quality is inconsistent. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Thanks for your video. I have the PT version of this guitar and have had it for just over 1.5 yrs. Thankfully, I haven't experienced your issues with the Schecter machine heads nor have I had any fret problems. By the way, similar climate here in Vienna (cold winters & hot summers) Anyway, I hope your upgrades work out for you.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

My pleasure! And thanks for your thoughts! I LOVE that PT version. Great concept. Thanks for your insight. Cheers from Canada!

Your nut needs the string slots widened. Thats why the tuners dont do anything. Your luthier should have caught that right away. Its very common on new guitar that come setup for 9-42.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Nope. Nut was adjusted as part of a full setup. Also checked by multiple people. It’s the gears in the tuners. Everything has stabilized since I changed the tuners.

I have the SLS Elite BASS and it needs no mods. It would cost me 3x as much to find a similar instrument. LOW_END!!! and beautiful.

@LonelyRocker

27 күн бұрын

Glad yours is good!

Thanks for the video! Finally someone is honest about these tuners! When I got my Schecter C-1 Evil Twin, I too was surprised that the tuners were just so rubbish. I even thought it was a defect, but when I asked the manager who sold the guitar, he honestly said that the empty freewheel and loss of tension is normal behaviour of Schecter tuners. I swapped them for Gotoh SG381 mg-t and am now completely satisfied. Plus, they look awesome! Not a big deal but it's still strange that Schecter didn't put good tuners on their top-of-the-line model right away

@LonelyRocker

3 ай бұрын

My pleasure! Looks like you and I went down the same path. Shame that they are so inconsistent but I agree, the Gotohs are great!

Nice playing. My new Schecter Diamond Series C1 has Grover tuners - surely, Grovers are solid tuners, mine work perfectly. But I live in California and we have NO issues with frets, necks, or weather/winter, etc. I change tunings and it stays in Drop or 1/2 step, etc. I'm sure you know if you go lower than pitch and back up, the tuners will tighten up and if you change the tuners, change the string gauges, modify the headstock/tuners, that all affects the tension of the neck, you no doubt need a neck/setup adjustment. Typically, in my decades of playing the G string is the first to go out of tune. Might even be a nut issue as the heavier gauge strings may not fit as well as the ones it was setup for. I think if you had the setup, tuners, and string changes done at once with a solid tech, you'd have an easier time with the changes. One point I'd like to make is unless specified, guitars are setup up for Standard Tuning, along with the strings, nut, and tuners they come with. Change one thing, it can affect others.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Thanks!! Climate is a huge factor. Mine was setup perfectly for a drop C tuning. Custom string gauge to create the perfect tension, nut adjusted etc. Then I went and changed the tuners. I wish it happened the other way round but I got frustrated not being able to find the tuners I wanted and needed to get the guitar in game shape. 2 weeks later I found the tuners ;). I'll get ti setup again. But now that it has settled it seems much better and is playing great. Thanks for weighing in!

It was your videos featuring the Schecter, Mark Holcomb PRS and the Ibby. I bought the FR S C1 SLS Evil Twin. I've had it almost a year. It's by far my favorite guitar. B standard chugging on it is just the chef's 💋.

@LonelyRocker

Ай бұрын

Glad you find my videos helpful!! Glad you're enjoying that guitar!! Rock it!!!

The tuning changing by pushing hard on the neck like what you do in the video can be done on any guitar. Try it with your Suhr, it’ll do the same thing. It doesn’t have anything to do with the neck size, and neither does tuning stability. I’ve owned various Ibanez Prestige guitars that have even thinner necks than the Shecter (17mm at first fret) and the tuning is always rock solid. I’ve had Prestige guitars with the locking Edge trem where it stays in tune for months. I even shipped one overseas and when I took it out of the case it was still in tune. Thanks for the insights into the guitar, really helpful!

@LonelyRocker

Ай бұрын

I did try it with my Suhr and my Gibsons and my ESP. Of course they all have some play but the C1 had the most play. It’s very sensitive to movement compared to all of my other guitars.

@YaYousef5

Ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker those ones are awesome, nice guitars man!

Thanks for a great video (and earlier videos of course). We really need these videos about what people think after a while. Do you remember the the model of the Gotoh tuners you used?

@rickardandersson1887

15 күн бұрын

Found it in another comment. Model # SGS510Z-MG-T. Thanks!

@LonelyRocker

12 күн бұрын

Thanks so much!! I will try to do more of these. Really appreciate your thoughts!!!

I have the Schecter C-7 SLS Evil Twin and I've been blessed with not having any issues with my Schecter locking tuners. Definitely good to know that Gotoh makes a good replacement. I like the Gotoh's on my Ibanez RG Prestige!

@LonelyRocker

2 ай бұрын

One of the lucky ones...feelings are split on this it seems. Gotohs are great though....

You have the perfect guitar to learn how to setup your guitar. Fixed bridge, locking tuners. The ping you heard is usually binding at the nut. But the slippage afterwards showed exactly what the issue was: The gears wore out in your old tuners. That was the click. It happens. If you liked the old buttons, you can put them on the new tuners. Although I like the smaller ones, less crowded. The neck is skinny, it will definitely bend when you're applying pressure. Most guitars do, and many guitarists use it in performances. It's a cool trick to grab the headstock and pull back. But yeah, turning the truss rod as the climate changes is something you just get used to, necks do expand and contract. Regardless of the wood used. Baked maple is going to be more stable, but even that will shrink over time. But yeah, doing your own setup at home is so easy. You have the perfect guitar to get started. Paying someone money to kiss the frets with a file or turn a few screws seems crazy, man. Especially since your guitar has the initial/first setup done.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

I can tell you 100% the ping is not the nut. It’s definitely the gears slipping in the tuners. And it’s been doing that since new. I actually recently got some cheap guitars to practise set ups. I actually do my own basic setups already. I just don’t have a proper file kit for frets and the nut.

@christopherhorton4634

5 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker Oh, I think you misunderstood me. It is USUALLY binding at the nut. But in your case, the gears inside had worn out. Which is 100% on Schecter. The tell was turning the peg, and it was getting no response. I was just saying it is usually the nut binding. 👍 And that's good! Maintenance is part of being a guitarist. Once you get into it, you'll be mad at yourself for paying people to do such minimal work. I know I was! My tour tech was a very cool guy that showed me what he was doing if an issue came up on one of my guitars. Playing Florida one night, and the cool mountains the next, wreaks havoc on wood. But now we have KZread. If you're learning, the Stew Mac channel is your best resource. There's plenty of other channels, including my own company. But they are tried and true. They also make the best tools, in my opinion. Good luck, and have fun with it!

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

@@christopherhorton4634 Totally cool! Appreciate your insight!! I'll have to check you out!!!

I have two Schecters with their own tuners. my ones do work fine!

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Seems hit and miss in the comments. You are one of the lucky ones...

So I have 8 schecters now and a few of them have Schecter locking tuners (KM-7 MK1, Banshee Mach 6, KM-6 Hybrid) my KM-7 is literally like an evertune without the evertune 😂 I almost never have to adjust or tune that guitar and it's 10 years old! It's just solid. My Banshee and my hybrid, on the other hand; both have the EB compensated nut. They both tend to go a little sharp after sitting for awhile, but then once I retune and start playing, they lock in. I'm not sure I can attribute it to tuners, or the nut. Over time it's gotten less prevalent, and I'm running them both in D stan/Drop C 10-52 gauge. So I'm not sure if maybe you just have a bad set of tuners or maybe it's the nut slots? Either way I think Schecter tuners are just as good as any other.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Glad you've had a good experience....my tuners were crap. This is my first Schecter. But the new Gotohs are helping a lot. Easy upgrade that has instantly made the guitar better :)

@karterestill

5 ай бұрын

@LonelyRocker the best brand ever. I have been lucky, I have only ever sent 1 guitar back, and it's because I didn't like the way the grain looked 🤣 But never had QC issues thankfully. I order all mine through a local dealer here, and I see more QC issues from the big box stores...

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Well as it's my first and I've has some issues I can't say it's my best. My Suhr is the best built guitar I have....but it also cost 3x the price ;)

I have the evil twin solo sls No issue with the tuners they are rock solid. I was also going to change when I got the guitar but a year later I can't fault them so I kept them as no point replacing a perfectly good working part.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Comments seem mixed about them. some are happy and some have issues. At minimum this is a QC issue....

The only issue i had with the this guitar was the truss rod or carbon fiber rod knocking inside of the neck when you shake it. So i returned this guitar to the seller.

@LonelyRocker

3 ай бұрын

Wow that’s a first. Never heard about that happening.

So what is your opinion of Fishman modern pick-ups after using them? Do they have a more detailed sound and is this more beneficial in heavy styles? And how do you compare them with other pick-ups you played?

@LonelyRocker

3 ай бұрын

As they are the only active pickups I have they bring a very different dimension to the tone I get with them. They are obviously hotter so they can really get aggressive but with the different voicings they are great for cleans too. Very chimey with good definition. Some people don’t like them. It I really do.

@Dmitri_Smirnov

3 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker many thanks for sharing your experience!

@LonelyRocker

3 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

I have it with Floyd Rose. No tuning issues. Love this guitar.

@LonelyRocker

Ай бұрын

Great! I still think it's a good guitar...glad yours is good!

I'm pushing on my SLS Elite neck and it doesn't seem to move as easily as yours, but it's hard to tell how hard you're pushing. Also, I got the FR version with locking nut, even though I rarely use the whammy bar, and that gives me solid tuning.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

I hope I didn’t get a lemon! I should write to Schecter!

I have a couple of Schecter’s I purchased that came with their locking tuners and replaced them within a week to Grover locking tuners. I thought it was the gear ratio, but it might have been the same issue you are experiencing. I’m a big fan of Schecter, owning four of them. I enjoy them as much as my Gibson guitars. They’re locking tuners not so much. $80 seems like a small price to make the guitars completely awesome. For whatever it’s worth, I changed out the tuners on my Gibsons to Grover locking tuners as well.

@LonelyRocker

2 ай бұрын

Seems like the tuners are hit and miss. I agree. They are great guitars but just from comments on this video it seems tuner quality is at least inconsistent. Thankfully, as you said, it’s an easy upgrade and well worth it. Thanks for watching!

I had an earlier Keith Merrow signature model years ago that had the same issues with the neck stability, and tuners. Had the graphite rods, etc as well, Both are not uncommon issues for the brand unfortunately.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

I'm glad it's not just me. It's a shame. It's such a fun guitar but I have to play it differently.

I reviewed the 7-string version of this same guitar, and yes, I experience the exact same issue. Oddly though, I do not have this tuner issue with Schecter branded tuners on another Schecter I own. Schecter needs to address this promptly imo. I have been searching for a direct "drop in" replacement as well and could not find one. Good update video btw!

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Thanks! Sorry to hear you are sharing my pain. Based on the comments on this video it seems split which indicates a QC issue with the tuners. Shame because it's a great guitar otherwise. If your tuners are the same as mine the Gotohs I featured drop right in nicely. Model # SGS510Z-MG-T

Think you got a bad set...i have the same guitar and many other schecters with their own tuners(locking or not) and they've always been rock solid

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Lucky me I guess ☹️

I would think a lemon. I've been blown away by how many bands use this exact model live which is what led me to buy one. At most the festivals I attend it seemed like every band had at least one of these or the bassist would have the bass version. So I would wonder if you just had a stroke of bad luck.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

I hope it's not a lemon!! I seem to have got it under control with the new tuners. And sitting and playing it in my studio without any stage antics helps keep it in tune :)

I didn't experience that problem with my tuners

@LonelyRocker

2 ай бұрын

You are one of the lucky ones 😎

My Schecter Hellraiser Hybrid has the same issue with the neck where you can bend out of tune. You can easily fix fedt sprout yourself, get some mesh pads and give them a work over. And you'll probably never experience fret sprout again.

@LonelyRocker

3 ай бұрын

Yes easy repair. Just wanted to note it. The neck thing is something else. Need to be mindful when playing it.

Let me guess.. the garbage pickups?

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

You're not a fan? Going straight into an amp I've been quite happy with them....But I'm not a super high gain player so they work well for the things I do....

Had a Hughes and Kettner GM40 for a long time. Swapped it with a Rivera Clubster Royale Recording and have not had one regret. Highly recommend checking one out if you can!

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Always up for checking out cool amps!!!

Never had that problem with schecter locking tuners

@LonelyRocker

2 ай бұрын

Based on comments opinions are split on this implying some kind of inconsistency....

I have a Schecter KM7 with Schecter Locking tuners and they do not suffer any of the issues you have on yours. My guess is that you had bad luck and got some tuners that were not properly constructed. Another thing, you may need a tech to look over the nut to make sure its 'cut' properly. A lot of tuning issues are due to improperly cut nuts, especially when you change string gauge its an important part to give attention to.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Well I like to upgrade tuners anyways....I did have the guitar professionally set up and customized for drop c. May have to do it again now that I ripped the strings off ;)

I can live with dings, dents, messed up paint p, etc, but I hate when a new guitar has mechanical or construction issues. It’s just adding more cost to fix the manufacturer’s mistakes.

@LonelyRocker

3 ай бұрын

Yep...I like a nice looking guitar but if it can't stay in tune it's USELESS!!!

I owned the PT SLS Elite for about 4 months, I always got weird harmonics behind the nut that was audible when playing through the amp so I just moved on. It was a great looking guitar though.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

That's a real shame....

So I’m currently interested in getting a Schecter Evil Twin but can’t decide whether to get it with a FR tremolo system or hard top. Which do you prefer? I only plan on tuning down to Drop D and was going to get a EVH D -tuna if I decide on the FR. Thanks

@LonelyRocker

Ай бұрын

That truly is a personal preference. When I got mine I wanted a hard tail because I wanted this to be super reliable for recording. Didn’t anticipate the other issues. Now I’m thinking I might want a guitar with a tremolo system. Really it comes down to what you currently need.

If you didn't get them from Solo Music Gear (which, you said you're north of Toronto so entirely likely you did), try there next time you're looking for Gotohs. They almost always have them in stock.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

That's exactly where I got them from! My studio is like 5 min from them....

@ShaneSaiyan

5 ай бұрын

​@@LonelyRocker I'd be about the same if the train yard wasn't in the way. 😆 Howdy neighbour!

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Good to have a local here!

C1 sls elite owner. Changed the tuners out for hipshot tuners.

@LonelyRocker

2 ай бұрын

Good move!!

The neck going out of tune is a known issue. I have two that do the same thing. Also I swapped out my tuning pegs for gotoh ratio. They are the best I ever had. I might get more for my other guitars. But I have to say you really need to learn how to do your own setups. Saves money and headaches.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

I might write to Schecter. I’ve started to dabble in my own setups. You need a lot of tools to do everything. But for basic setups I’m equipped.

I had C-7 Evil Twin and the guitar didn't have the issue with tuners and they were perfect, however, now I have KM-6 Hybrid and the 3rd and 5th string tuners on it are quite loose. I guess it's hit or miss, but none of my tuners have that click. Cold it be you didn't lock the strings tight enough?

@LonelyRocker

3 ай бұрын

Judging by the comments it seems very hit and miss. I tried everything. These tuners were just bad.

I just bough the 7 string version of that guitar, and the tuners are just about the only problem I've found so far! It needed a set up, but that's typical of any import guitar!

@LonelyRocker

3 ай бұрын

A lot have shared they have had the same problem with the tuners. Now that I have Gotohs on there the guitar is aces!

Curious, did you try contacting Schecter to see about getting replacement tuners? Regarding the neck, though slightly different as I have the trem version, I have not experienced any issues. Also, in my experience with trying to reuse the strings like you did when swapping the tuners, rarely works. Playing on the strings, the frets leave subtle dents where they contact the string. The loosening, taking off and retightening of the strings, rarely are you able to get the strings to go back to the exact same place from where they started, and your strings will buzz and be wonky.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

I wouldn't normally re-use the strings but they are literally BRAND new and a custom gauge so I had nothing to replace them with. I have not tried Schecter. Other commenters here said they have with no resolution form Schecter...

On the tuners, I have an older Banshee Elite 7 string. I don’t have any problems with the locking tuners. But I also have it in standard open B. Conversely, I have a newer Sun Valley Shredder with the Sustaniac and Floyd. Neat guitar but if it didn’t have the Floyd’s locking nut, it wouldn’t stay in tune. The tuners are absolutely terrible. They are oddly maddening.

@LonelyRocker

4 ай бұрын

Seems so inconsistent. I guess at this price point there are trade offs.

I've got the non locking tuners on model with a trem, I get the same thing. Only really an issue when I restring but does appear to an issue with the tuners.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Yes, they seem to be hit and miss. Non locking with a trem. You are a brave soul!!!

I had a similar pinging issue from a set of Guyker locking tuners - it was the locking mechanism itself being unable to fully grasp the string. It'd lock enough to hold the string in place, but as you put tension on it, the lock kind of slipped and the tuning dropped Edit: since the G string is still snagging, I'd drop some graphite in the nut slot if you haven't already - it could be binding up there instead of at the tuner

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Not getting any nut snagging. It's all in the tuners...but throwing them in the garbage fixed that issue :)

I got the exact model and i do love it - still getting used to the Fishman Moderns, they dont sound like any other pickups

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

They are very unique! Different than anything else I have...but seemingly they are not for everyone....I like them though....

I thought for sure it would look goody with the smaller tuners but nope. Looks great.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

I was worried too! I have waited many months to replace them and these were the first local ones I could find. I even asked about swapping out the buttons. But now that they are on it's not bad. I can live with it :)

@smeemusic

5 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker I’ve taken chances on changing tuners in the past. So far I’m hitting 100% success rate with how they look and function with my replacements. I’ve had problems with Grover’s aging poorly and start to lose reliability. Somewhere around maybe 8 years I notice they start drifting. I’m saying 8 years loosely. If we are talking about actually OLD Grover’s, they seem to hold up for decades. But stuff since the 2000’s just doesn’t seem to hold up. Have you noticed anything like this? I’ve been using hip shots for replacements and they are awesome. I also have a mint condition ltd ec1000 from either 03 or 05 (sry can’t remember) and it has sperzel locking tuners. I’m having issues with the G string drifting. Dunno if it’s the tuner or if it’s something with it aging. But seriously it’s 100% mint like it was the day it was made so I can’t imagine something is wrong with the wood or anything like that.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

@@smeemusic Thankfully I haven't had many issues. most of my guitars have original tuners but a couple of them I've swapped out. this is the first time I've had issues like this on a "GOOD" guitar....

@smeemusic

5 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker yeah that is a really strange issue you were having. I’ve never heard of this before and it seems like it would be plastered all over KZread. I also would expect better of Schecter seeing as they got their start as a parts company. They also do make incredible instruments. I’ve owned I think 6 Schecters over the years. I have 2 now. One of which I’ve had something like 21 years and the other has been like 15. They really hold their own when the pressure is on. But on both of my schecters, I’ve had Grover issues.

I have the 7 string, antique finish version and my tuners do not do that. They work just fine. You probably got a bad set. Maybe you should ring Schecter up about a warranty replacement? Hardware should last a year, no?

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

They did that from the day I had it. I always planned to upgrade them so I’m just moving on.

I've had 3 guitars with Schecter locking tuners and yeah, they could be better. Both of my KM-7's have them, and my C1 E/A has them. Both of the 7 strings have a slightly loose G string tuner, but curiously my E/A are 100% solid and smooth. I think its a consistency thing. They all hold tune perfectly fine but getting that G string in tune takes a bit more effort on the 7's. Never had the popping and detuning issue though.

@LonelyRocker

4 ай бұрын

Just based on the comments it seems inconsistent. They are what they are I guess...hit and miss....

My tuners don't do that. But, I very much prefer non-locking but they work so but I'm not going to replace them anytime soon. I may be mistaken but suspect your tuner set is defective.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Oh those tuners were defective....but not anymore! :)

@pytheus

5 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker I have a suspicion about the neck join on that instrument. I've owned a bunch of set neck Schecters, and none went out of tune with heavy playing. Hope I'm wrong.

I have 5 schecters and they never go out of tune 2 have Schecter brand locking tuners, you had to get a bad set somehow

@LonelyRocker

2 ай бұрын

You’re one of the lucky ones. Many in the comments have had issues. Seems to be split.

I have the exact same guitar, with the exact same problem with the tuners. I just haven’t been able to gel with my sls elite.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

It seems to be 50/50. Really screams QC issues. Sorry you are sharing my pain :(

I just bought the Holcomb.

@LonelyRocker

8 күн бұрын

Nice! Enjoy it!

@achevere81

8 күн бұрын

@@LonelyRocker it's a beast brother

I'm also from Canada with the same up and downs in humidity and temperature. If you are looking for another Schecter I would suggest the Banshee Mach-6 EverTune. I own one and with the baked maple and Evertune, weather just doesn't affect it. The tuners are Schecter branded but very similar in size and shape to Gotoh tuners (maybe rebranded Gotohs?). They are good but because of the Evertune, tuner quality is harder to judge.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Where in Canada are you? I’ve looked at that model. I’d like to get an Evertune equipped guitar here.

@deconline1320

5 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker I'm in Montreal. I actually got it online from L&M. I bought it as soon as they resurfaced after the Covid shortage. Maybe you will need to order it. Definitely worth it in my opinion...

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

@@deconline1320 MTL is my hometown!

I want this guitar so bad after researching it. I went to Sweetwater website and there are no hardtail verisions of this guitar. I called my Sweetwater sales engineer and he would not order one or ask to have one ordered for me. I can find them at other distributors but afraid to pull the trigger with a place I am unfamiliar with. Going to keep hammering Sweetwater about it! Do you know if Schecter is aware of this flaw in their locking tuners? I dont want to or should have to change anything on a brand new guitar. This is cant be a hit or miss thing as there is obviously something wrong in the production of the locking tuners. The neck movement is another issue I have read about in several different models of Schecter guitars. So sick of companies passing off garbage to consumers for stupid expensive prices. We shouldnt have to worry about QC issues at all. I have been around awhile and do not remember so many guitar company QC issues back in my day. Sad actually. Thanks for the content, I just subscribed

@LonelyRocker

2 ай бұрын

That's why I highly recommend buying guitars local and trying them. I've fallen in love with so many pictures only to be disappointed once I played them. My findings are not scientific but a good split of comments have had issues with the tuners while others have had no problems. Schecter has not said anything about this as far as I know.

@Skram72

2 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker Unfortunately I have no local shops anywhere near me anymore to go to where I currently live. Growing up we had multiple shops and if they didnt have something we could go up to 48th St in Manhattan to Mannys and Sam Ash they would. I no longer live in NYC. So now I am at the mercy of other peoples reviews and online outlets. I have recently gotten back into playing guitar and cant believe what I am finding out as this journey of mine advances as far as quality and pricing in guitars is concerned. Makes me wish I hadnt sold all my gear back in the day. Ah, I am just disappointed, sorry for the rant

@LonelyRocker

2 ай бұрын

@Skram72 no worries. Well aside from the tuners I still like this guitar. I have to be careful with the neck thing. But swapping out tuners is easy and worth the upgrade in this case. Good luck with your hunt!

I have the same guitar and I'm always having to adjust the tuning often compared to my other guitars. Mine don't slip like yours but I'm thinking I should try these Gotohs and see how they perform.

@LonelyRocker

4 ай бұрын

I’m starting to wonder if it’s the neck. Does yours move like how mine does in the video?

@tadgoodman

4 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker Yes, I can bend the neck out of tune like that but I can do that with other guitars as well. I guess I just never put pressure on it like that while playing to notice before. I'm hoping these tuners help because while mine don't click I can definitely feel they are cheaper and don't turn as nicely as my other guitars.

I have this same guitar (only the color is different), and it has never stayed in tune. Beyond that, it is almost impossible to get it in tune. The intonation off, and I could never get it right. As you note, the neck is very thin (too thin). Disappointed with the SLS, and that comes from someone who has owned a Schecter C-1 classic for nearly 20 years, and that guitar still performs well.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

That's disappointing to hear! I haven't given up on it but saddened that it's not as rock solid as I had hoped. Time for guitar shopping!!! :)

Love the new tuners. Too bad about the Schecter branded ones. I love schecter guitars.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

I'm happy. I wanted bigger buttons on them but I'm already sued to it :)

How are the new turners holding up? I recently purchased the John Browne Tao-8 This is the first time I’ve had I have had locking tuners, and I am experiencing the same issues you are having as well

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Oh wow...it seems so inconsistent. This is definitely a QC problem. The new tuners are great. I love Gotohs. Good quality tuner. Was definitely worth the effort....

@spongebob6664

5 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker glad they are ended up working out for you my man, I just got this guitar last Wednesday, I find myself tuning every 15mins or so 😅😅

@spongebob6664

5 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker hey my man i think i solved the issue.. the tuners were not completely loose but loose enough to throw off the tuning. I finger tighten them with a Philips and they seem to hold tuning 😀😀

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Ok...good to know!

got locking tuners from schecter and no mine do not behave like that

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Seems I got some bad ones :(

I love the look of those necks man they look awesome i have never played one but im looking for a good metal guitar I can keep drop tuned. I have a shecter Strat diamond series that I enjoy a lot I play that guitar everyday between that and my epiphone ultra 339 that I love to. I play acoustic alot to I have a Taylor gs mini that I love. I have even more guitars but thats just to name a few of my favorites but I need a shredder guitar asap

@LonelyRocker

4 ай бұрын

It's a fun guitar. The new tuners have helped my tuning issues...it's definitely a shredder...I keep it in Drop C now...

My locking tuners are dope same guitar and model

@LonelyRocker

4 ай бұрын

Glad yours are good! Mine were far from.....

I’ve had 5 Schecter’s recently including this one. All will not hold tune. The compensated nut is trash and the necks are so thin that they move as you are playing.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

My first experience with one. I’m not calling it trash but that damn neck does move if you breath on it.

That's the same issue I have with my Kiesel's locking tuners.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

I think they are made by the same company...just stamped for each brand....they sure look the same....

@bolland83

5 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker Mine are the 2 pin type vs. the screw tab type. Other than that they look identical. Part of the issue as well is that the bushing/nut bottoms out before it's actually tight, almost as if they were made for a slightly thicker headstock. In any case, they feel cheap compared to the sperzels they used to use, on an otherwise quality guitar.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

I guess cost savings have to come from somewhere...as I said this is one of the easiest upgrades to do but still sucks when you get bum tuners...

Nice re-review. It's funny how our perception of a darling new instrument changes after the first year. Schecter has always been a surprising value, and made instruments that play great and sound great. I think the reason Schecter is always a surprise value is in how they smartly weigh options. They are saying, "'Tuners are easy to replace, so we will focus our efforts on irreplaceable things that make this guitar a keeper for life." Like a neck that feels good in your hand. Like active pickups that zero in on the voice of the target genre. That's smart. Flexible neck messing with your tuning? It's the trade off for 24 frets, high neck access and a super slim neck heel. Some people actually like that waver you get when you woggle the neck. I kind of do. A lot of SG players in rock history certainly made great use of that. Thinking of Pete Townsend here.... a long time Schecter endorser! LOL Cheers Dan!

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Wade. I really think reviews should be in two parts. First impression and then months later. Likely 2 different reviews! 😎🎸🤘🏽

Too bad you've had issues with the stock tuners. I have never had issues with my Schecter tuners myself.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Just reading the comments it seems some had issues and some didn't. Clearly a QC issue as it is not consistent....

I had the same issue with my Reaper6 shitty tuners

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Seems they are hit or miss...

FINALLY! I have the sustainiac version of this same exact guitar, and whenever it's time to unlock the nut and retune... MY GOD.. nightmarish. My tuners pop and ping like crazy, and schecter DOES. NOT. CARE. I've also had the electronics fail on my guitar within a year of owning it and had to have it re-soldered at a local store. I called Schecter 3 or 4 times during all of this and they said every time they would not honor the diamond series "lifetime warranty".. my problems were simply "not covered" especially once they heard I was having electronics problems, the tech didn't want to talk to me at all after that.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

That's not good. I was really excited about this guitar. Goes to show looks can be deceiving. I'm not hating on the guitar, I still enjoy it but these issues are very annoying. The tuners swap has definitely helped....

I sold mine. Had tuning issues as well and just moved on from it.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

That’s too bad. This guitar could have been great.

@jazzcat1056

5 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker I also prefer fatter necks but it was a beautiful guitar. Had I thought of changing tuners that would have been a great upgrade. I changed tuners on my PRS SE 594 this week and now the tuning stability is outstanding.

You just have a bad set. Mine work just fine. Plus you have a weird tuning!

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Drop C is weird tuning? Tuners were definitely bad though...not anymore! :)

I don't even dare to call myself a guitar player and I was stupified at the mistakes U made.

🤮🤮🤮 Schecter 🤮🤮🤮 Their ridiculously liberal use of abalone always turned me off from them, even when I was in their target audience age range of 14-17 Besides that I've genuinely never played one I liked

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Guitars feel different in different hands. All opinions are valid! :)

@domenicogiordano1836

5 ай бұрын

What brand of guitars do you play then? @AmericanNationalist852

@AmericanNationalist852

5 ай бұрын

@@domenicogiordano1836 ESP, LTD, and Fender as far as what I own currently

I wish these and the evil twins would have had an evertune option.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

There is the aftermarket option....someone suggested I do that.....

@RumpleStiltzkin-bu5he

5 ай бұрын

@LonelyRocker yea, i saw a schecter gerry trevino sent in to evertune and i didnt like the model they retrofitted fir him. Not saying our guitars would require that model, but it looked rop mounted and just kind of gross. It was the "g" model. If that was the model required for a retro fit, id just buy another guitar with an evertune already installed.

Im with ya on the tuners...im about to replace them with some hipshot lockers.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

I checked the hip shot tuners...the tag on those is only 90 degrees. Not a big deal...just need to fill the old hole if the guitar is using tunes with the screw at 45 degrees as mine is....but great tuners for sure....

@RumpleStiltzkin-bu5he

5 ай бұрын

@LonelyRocker youre 100%. Guess i wont be doing that. Graphtech ratio tuners maybe. I know they have the plates for "no drill" installation.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

Good option but they use a plate system...don't like that much either...you are starting to see what I went through before I got the GOTOhs ;)

@RumpleStiltzkin-bu5he

5 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker pretty sure i got the gotohs because of this for a jackson js227 i had. Wish hipshot just made both options...i mean wtf?

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

@@RumpleStiltzkin-bu5he Replacing these was harder than I thought!!!! Gotoh seems to have the most options but they are not easy to buy from retail...

Ive never heard or felt that click.

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

At least 3 of the tuners did that....

@RumpleStiltzkin-bu5he

5 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker thats gross. Sounds like something might have been cross threaded. That click was probably the gear jumping a thread.

There Is to much talk in guitar community about gear,it Is all about pedals,guitars,amps,tone Very few acctualy enjoy Music...i have a feeling that for most guitar players collecting stupid gear Is more pleasure than making Music. That,s way todays Music sucks

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

It's funny you say that....I think you're right. I feel like people have very little interest to hear the music in these videos...they seem to skip over it for the talking...I hope that doesn't mean my music sucks ;)))))

@bluesteel9688

4 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker No Man,you are a hell of a player

@LonelyRocker

4 ай бұрын

@@bluesteel9688 Thank you so much! That made me smile :)

Sound is not great.There are better sounding models.I mean gain mode.

@anthonydavella8350

5 ай бұрын

The American made pickups sound great IMO. The Apoch pickups roar

@LonelyRocker

5 ай бұрын

I'm enjoying the Fishmans. They cover ground my other guitars can't. But it's taste and I know they don't appeal to everyone.

@anthonydavella8350

5 ай бұрын

@LonelyRocker I have them too lol. The apocalypse are hot but not harsh, thick and chewey

@RumpleStiltzkin-bu5he

5 ай бұрын

Dumbest comment ever!

@ryanmccabe7821

5 ай бұрын

I have a MIK black Jack single cut, neck is super stable and tuners have never had a problem. Living in Indonesia with daily temperature and humidity changes depending whether the Air-con is on or off.