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@msbrowngault

3 жыл бұрын

???

@GrayFox790

3 жыл бұрын

Incredible channel! Thankyou!

@leslie5255

3 жыл бұрын

@@GrayFox790 ssdda

@brienfoaboutanything9037

2 жыл бұрын

Thats amazing information about Richard III of England: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ooOTzNl-dNnScrQ.html

@eddiesroom1868

2 жыл бұрын

I'm too poor

The casting director has clearly never seen a 12-year-old in their life lol

@idontgiveafaboutyou

4 жыл бұрын

Neither a portrait of Richard lll. He was a clean shaven man with long hair.

@annnee6818

3 жыл бұрын

Nope😂

@SmartCookie2022

2 жыл бұрын

@@idontgiveafaboutyou There are a few portraits of Richard III with a goatee beard, but the most famous painting has him clean-shaven.

@hector-nu6gl

2 жыл бұрын

@Rae Groce if he would have been 16, the question of lord protector would have never been raised.

@floraposteschild4184

2 жыл бұрын

You wouldn't want to suggest Richard III had a child killed, would you? That would be so mean.

Dan Jones finally puts on protective gloves when handling ancient manuscripts.

@johnhealy6676

4 жыл бұрын

Larry Gassan Protective gloves are now a no no Only the sensitive hands are the way forward It’s all down to feel

@eugenebotting3428

4 жыл бұрын

I disremember him ever touching one with his hands.

@ladooshka

4 жыл бұрын

I noticed it too.

@Mauromoustakos

4 жыл бұрын

Well, they must be copies, I suppose, as one has already said. Otherwise... he is touching them, breathing over them, tapping with his finger and... his nail?!!! Even filming them will have required a strong light on the manuscripts. He is using a kind of cordon to keep them stretched open on the table, apparantly supplied by the library. But this cordon is made from beads with pointy, sharp edges. I cant understand that.

@djin81

4 жыл бұрын

He's in France here, different rules I guess. He was in the british national archives before. Their rules are washed hands, with no hand creams or lotions used. www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/about/visit-us/researching-here/handling-documents/

One of the things I admire about the Brits is their dedication to their history.....the good, bad, AND the ugly (as with any country's history). There are so many good documentaries providing in-depth British historical info. This series gets an A+ (even if, the 12-year old prince was portrayed by a 21-year old actor). 😊 Dan Jones is one my most favorite British historians.

@elinderfler9358

5 жыл бұрын

Same here!

@siegridthomas9674

4 жыл бұрын

I agree and the looks go with it....it sure makes it more interesting...

@missbingley6048

4 жыл бұрын

His books are great.

@orangecherry9629

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! I'm from Britan, it's really interesting to find out about our history =-O

@SymphonicMotion

3 жыл бұрын

Wholly agree. The reason why I became so passionate about Ancient Egyptian and English History is because they have invested in so many excellent productions and engaging documentaries.

This must have been filmed before Richard’s body was found under the parking lot. An orthopedic surgeon who specializes on scoliosis and spinal deformities examined his bones. Richard had an extreme curvature of the spine that did result in hunched posture and atleast a 4 in drop in the symmetry of the shoulders. They were able to locate a scoliosis patient with the exact same degree of curvature at the same vertebral and thoracic vertebrae. The man was then trained by a medieval fighting historian in the techniques of the age. It turned out that his spinal issues and the custom made saddle for him actually gave him far more stability welding a sword in the saddle. So yes, Richard had a significant physical deformity but he was able to overcome it and capitalize on his unique physique. He was raised in a pit of vipers on all sides and was a formidable foe.

@lorie1482

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@michaeltelson9798

2 жыл бұрын

That same Italian’s book mentions that Richard was a graceful and elegant dancer.

@uncasunga1800

2 жыл бұрын

He didnt last long anyway

@Suuusan28

2 жыл бұрын

Dominic Smee is the guy. Richard had a scoliosis which doesn´t result in hunched posture, it result in a slight asymmetry. The skeleton found in Leicester was squeezed because the grave was too small. So it looks worse than it actually was. The shoulder asymmetry was emphasised on Richard´s officials paintings later by the Tudors (it´s well visible). On the contrary scoliosis is not visible if wearing tailor made or other well fitting clothes and of course definitely not visible wearing the armour. Having scoliosis myself I know how Richard´s posture would be :-).

@AS-qg1xu

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, interesting info. Thank you Alicia!

I love Dan Jones's facial expressions as he's telling us the story.

@kaisanderson9616

3 жыл бұрын

It helps that he is Bloody FIT (HOT!)

@gazza2933

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent presenter/narrator.

@carolmorris404

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaisanderson9616 I agree on both. He is also extremely passionate about the History.

@juliusnepos6013

3 жыл бұрын

@@carolmorris404 yeah

@merryx-mart9943

2 жыл бұрын

@@carolmorris404 passionate about history , yes. But i might respectfully disagree with him that Richard killed his own nephews. I would argue that heinous act is more likely to have been committed at the insigation of Henry VII .

37:02 *"Richard hesitates theatrically. Should he accept? Is he the right man? Seriously !?!"* LOL. That's never gonna get old. Way to go Dan.

@femmie12

Жыл бұрын

I also had a lauch at that line, even if the remainder of the documantary is rather dark

@lyndsaycrawford

3 ай бұрын

Exactly!!! Good bit of politicking. Probably written by a good spin doctor.

that is the tallest 12 year old ive ever seen

@tamlynn786

6 жыл бұрын

Marteen Luther Kangs LOL right.

@leanie9660

5 жыл бұрын

Marteen Luther Kangs ...yup, and other documentaries show them as (what looks like) a 7 yr old and a 5 yr old. Lol

@LondonSambaDancerBellydancer

5 жыл бұрын

He’s about 17 there

@LondonSambaDancerBellydancer

5 жыл бұрын

Marteen Luther Kangs and he can’t act.

@KyleOber

5 жыл бұрын

sheeeit

If the team of the Timeline channel should ever read this comment, just wanted to say thank you for sharing those interesting documentaries about the history of Great Britain/England. I love watching them and Dan Jones makes this even more interesting. Plus, I've seen you do not only read some comments, you even listen or answer to them. Thumbs up for the whole team. 👍 Greetings from Germany. 😊

@ric60100

4 жыл бұрын

Greetings from the USA.

@philipthomey7884

4 жыл бұрын

Greetings from Newfoundland

@gazza2933

4 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%. Excellent! Greetings to you all from England.

@NeiasaurusCreations

4 жыл бұрын

Greetings from Skyrim---Oh wait.

@LostInSpace175

4 жыл бұрын

Greetings from Narnia

No mention of his wife Anne Neville, the daughter of Richard Neville, the Earl of Warwick, the Kingmaker…..

@QueenKordeilia

5 жыл бұрын

And also widow of Edward of Westminster, son and heir of Henry VI.

@OhElvira

4 жыл бұрын

Earl of Warwick died last episode

@meihwadeclerk3147

3 жыл бұрын

That went full circle...

@celia3601

2 жыл бұрын

Why would that make a difference who his wife is? Do you mean to say that he was untrustworthy from the start? If so, that’s a good point

@janetwebster5099

2 жыл бұрын

@@celia3601 because she was a big part of the story

No one has crossed the boundries of religious sancutary before? Tell that to Thomas Becket.

@pinkbunny6272

6 жыл бұрын

Armidas good one!!

@stever8961

5 жыл бұрын

Post - 1400

@k-matsu

5 жыл бұрын

Becket was a Bishop, not a refugee. There is a difference between religious sanctuary and the sanctity of a church. Both are certainly reprehensible, but the video was correct in saying that Richard violated a principle that no previous king of England had done before.

@magicwandfour

5 жыл бұрын

Tewkesbury abbey was not a designated place of sanctuary.however I take your point as the lancastrians that fled there thought they were safe as Edward IV did not have them removed and executed for 3 or 4 days.this act did then require the abbey church to be re -consercrated

@bohemianfeminist3800

5 жыл бұрын

Oh they had, a zillion times. I think the documentary meant they hadn't crossed that line with *her* before.

Richard: I'm just following my brother's wishes His brother's wishes: take care of my kids and guide oldest son. Richard: takes care of their deaths and guides them to the afterlife... Yep just following my brother's wishes is all ...

@TheSeptemberSapphire

2 жыл бұрын

Personally hope the first person Richard saw after he died was Edward IV

@lawrencelow949

Жыл бұрын

Very soon happily reunited with Daddy

@lyndsaycrawford

3 ай бұрын

@@TheSeptemberSapphirebrilliant!! Edward & his 2 sons! I know, these ppl are mental! If I’m ever on trial for double murder I hope the jury is full of ppl who believe Richard was innocent

I've always felt horrible for the Princes. I mean, they were just kids, and thrown into a terrible situation they couldn't get out of even if they tried. No kid should ever have to go through something that horrific.

@andrewroby6113

2 жыл бұрын

@Gary Allen Yeah, 'no evidence they were murdered' except that they were never seen alive again after being imprisoned. I mean good lord, do you hear yourself?

@nix.i

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewroby6113 Never seen again? Are you mad? They were seen playing and doing archery many times in the garden, and then once in August if I'm not mistaken, and we don't even know when they stopped publicly appearing. The the sightings of them stopped randomly. There is no evidence on what exactly happened to them, the princes just disappeared for all we know

@mae8646

2 жыл бұрын

@@nix.i "Stopped randomly" hmmm... Almost like they were suddenly murdered

@nix.i

2 жыл бұрын

@@mae8646 It is plausible, but I can't decide which side I'm on. Their last public appearance is commonly attributed to late August to early September, a month or two after Richard's coronation. It makes sense for him to have killed them, but it also makes no sense for him to have killed them. I suppose it's just another of those things we'll never know the answer to

@MrJC1

2 жыл бұрын

@@mae8646 lol... but what evidence is there? You can't just say its almost like they were suddenly murdered but then accept it as definite. They might have become full blown recluses for all we know. Stranger things have happened.

I've been binge watching this series this evening. It's such a fascinating time period and I've learned a lot. Thank you for sharing these. I enjoyed the Plantaganet docs too.

@Echiya

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/aGGfs9GEpJWxlpc.html

@margaretbanks8969

2 жыл бұрын

Rivers must have seemed like a father to young prince

@lyndsaycrawford

2 жыл бұрын

@@margaretbanks8969 he’s said to have been extremely fond of him as well as Richard grey (his half brother another one of Elizabeth Woodville’s sons.) & Thomas Vaughn, his tutor. Young Edward protested over them being arrested & executed & was completely ignored by his uncle Richard. Imo that’s why young Edward could never become king as Richard would’ve been punished, probably executed for that act alone, never mind every other nefarious move he made to secure that crown.

damn and I thought my family was dysfunctional

@joybrautigam9529

4 жыл бұрын

if you like dysfunctional family drama's check out the Romans! They regularly killed family member, men, women, children, siblings.

@malinstella6965

4 жыл бұрын

Family dysfunctional, damn the entire English realm was dysfunctional.

@sidbid1590

3 жыл бұрын

@@joybrautigam9529 Ptolemies: That's so sad. Alexa, play Despacito.

@candyshaddox5928

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda makes us all feel better about our families, doesn't it?

I like this episode because it disproved the common depictions of Richard III while also not justifying any of his horrible actions. Historical figures being portrayed as human beings are the best

@Heidenspross

5 жыл бұрын

which horrible actions? standing up for his family? making the best of a completely screwed up situation? executing the man who most likely was responsible for his nephews disappearance? fighting for his crown or dying in battle?

@leanie9660

5 жыл бұрын

Heidenspross ...whatever our personal bias, Richard was charged with following his brother's wishes.....he certainly didn't do that. The Woodvilles seemed to be greedy, grasping upstarts, but Richard could have dealt with them instead of either: killing the boys, or failing to protect them while they were trapped. Ultimately, Richard's actions (or inactions)resulted in their deaths. Richard acted pretty coldly and unethically.

@idontgiveafaboutyou

5 жыл бұрын

Vea Del Rosario his “horrible actions” were common in those days, especially if you wanted to survive

@clasdauskas

5 жыл бұрын

@@leanie9660 There is no actual evidence that Richard was responsible for the deaths of the Princes. There is some reason to suspect Buckingham, who had custody of them, and as others have pointed out Henry VII benefited from their deaths. If it was Buckingham, it's a bit rough to blame Richard for inaction, as he would have had no reason to suspect his closest ally; if it was was the Tudor camp, it may have even happened after Richard's death ...

@KebabMusicLtd

5 жыл бұрын

​@@clasdauskas The fact that Richard III was Coronated instead of his nephew would suggest that Richard was responsible for their deaths. The fact that Richard III was supposed to be their protectors and that he had them imprisoned in the tower, makes him responsible for whatever happened to them. The fact that neither of the two boys have been seen since 1483 would suggest that something bad happened to them other than them just popping down to the shops to buy a newspaper.

Geez, the monarchy was more like the Mafia back in the day.

@datomekoshvili

5 жыл бұрын

Rien Jen *Feudal monarchy

@janrees4887

4 жыл бұрын

Tony Robinson actually said exactly that in his documentary about Edward iv being illegitimate.

@richardlahan7068

4 жыл бұрын

There was really no set legal line of succession the way there is now. There may have been several people with a claim on the throne.

@owlman6240

4 жыл бұрын

Richard Lahan there was, but a winning army doesn’t care about the line of succession

@hadiarehman1728

4 жыл бұрын

Hah, I agree.

So it's kind of fitting he was found under a parking lot.

@samikirk05

3 жыл бұрын

The odds are phenomenal. (Bearing in mind, of course, that he was buried in a church crypt. The car park appeared a few centuries after the building had been razed.)

@russelltofts3673

3 жыл бұрын

Even more fitting, Richard was found under the parking lot marked "R".

@allicemadd2796

3 жыл бұрын

Have u seen the white queen on Starz if not u should its about all about this time it's wonderful

But Richard *did* have a fairly severe spinal curvature. It didn't stop him from being a great warrior or a king and it doesn't make him a villain. Scoliosis happens.

@Heidenspross

5 жыл бұрын

at least he died in battle... loved the documentary where they found a guy with the same spinal curvature, and found out that plate armor helped a lot with his problem.

@JonyTony2018

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, being a kinslaying tyrant made him a villain.

@wa1ufo

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, killing children doesn't make him a villian either. Or does it?

@bohemianfeminist3800

5 жыл бұрын

Yea in its eagerness to get away from the 'simple story of evil men' this documentary series wants to paint them all as 'doing their duty'. But of course that's too simple. It's a mix, and Richard was also evil. Most people who murder children are.

@charlespeterwatson9051

5 жыл бұрын

When the "eyewitness" testimony of a drunken thief is provided as the sole piece of Tudor evidence, then Tudor propaganda is needed to strengthen the case when you have no body to turn to..

Great series of documentaries. Very well done. The presenters' enthusiasm is infectious...reminds me of people like David Attenborough...they just carry you along

@elinderfler9358

5 жыл бұрын

Dan Jones is brilliant. I recommend his books to anyone interested in this time period....

That "Seriously ?!?!" had me rolling on the floor laughing.

@IkedaSerra

5 жыл бұрын

Got to love a documentary and narrator with a sense of humor

@elinderfler9358

5 жыл бұрын

The narrator is actually the author and historian, Dan Jones

@michaelfant4052

2 жыл бұрын

@@elinderfler9358 Can U brush ur teeth for ONE minute

That’s the problem with putting military men in positions of absolute power. So few of them have the temperament for politics and statecraft.

@dennissimo7546

2 жыл бұрын

They also aren't as skilled in the art of Backstabbing and sacrificing soldiers for the sake of their political lives, case in point: Ivy League people in the US political system, they think nothing of the military sacrifices to further advance their political ambitions

@NemoBlank

2 жыл бұрын

@@dennissimo7546 Truly scum and traitors. They bought into corporate socialism because it kept them on top and have all but suppressed our old ideal of a meritocracy where an inherited wealth political aristocracy wasn't allowed and the best could rise to lead us.

@jemo6280

2 жыл бұрын

@@NemoBlank you're all over the place. "Inherited wealth aristocracy" that's just capitalism being capitalism you know. Meritocracy is mostly a myth. You are stupid but born wealthy? Pay for your degree, hire scientists and workers, and slap your name on everything they produce. Congrats, a lot of people will think you're a genius. Corporate socialism? Socialism is marked by democratic control of the means of production and workers rights. Which leadership of a corporation is elected by the workers?

@fredbarker9201

2 жыл бұрын

“Warrior aren’t suited for statecraft” Richard III is one of the greatest law givers in the history of this country and within just a 2 year reign

@May-vf4mh

2 жыл бұрын

@@fredbarker9201 I don’t think that’s what the OP meant. He could certainly make helpful and effective laws providing that people agreed with him - the issue is that running a country is not the same thing as leading an army and Richard III seemingly struggled to adapt to the reality of being a King. He didn’t have the patience or the temperament to work with the council.

Chaos is a ladder

@hipqban169

3 жыл бұрын

@StarDust watch game of thrones..its based “loosely “ on this war.

Lord Hastings, formerly Simon De Monfort. Also Lord Buckingham, formerly Richard II, and Rivers, formerly Henry II. (if you watched both series)

@mauribaumann6789

3 жыл бұрын

I knew Rivers looked familiar...now I'm going to have to go back and watch Richard II again

@meihwadeclerk3147

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine having to announce his arrival at some international gathering.

@erezvadmani3757

2 жыл бұрын

I was just about to write about Hastings/Simon de Montford until I found your comment, nice findings.

@heathergarnham9555

2 жыл бұрын

Buckingham was also a random bishop

@leonie4696

2 жыл бұрын

Hastings was also formerly Henry Bolingbroke/Henry IV.

I have really REALLY enjoyed these videos! I can't get enough...They have been done wonderfully... easy to understand with a ton of visuals that i desperately need lolol

@boudica3356

4 жыл бұрын

Same here, I love them!

@christinanelson7081

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! I have taken so much history throughout my teen and twenties years. I took some kind of historical education all in my high school days, and then when I decided to go to college after I had gotten pregnant, I had a new respect and understanding for the American and World history of our world. I used to be one of those people who loathed learning anything new about our history, and cultures. Now, I know we need it, but I won't pretend to know it all, nor understand all that I am taught. It takes an effort to want to learn it, and an effort and patience to allow someone else, such as a professor, to teach me. So yeah, just wanna say that, and agree with the commentor.

12:03 Richard's collar is held on with a safety pin

@karenhall4645

3 жыл бұрын

I saw that!

@mauribaumann6789

3 жыл бұрын

I saw a documentary on pinning.recently....but they used straight pins

@karmensas8570

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

It just breaks my heart when terrible things happen to innocent children

It's worth remembering that Richard III had a son of his own in 1483, he didn't need the princes as potential heirs. His son died the following year and after that Richard III's nephew (who was his sister's son) was slowly being positioned as his de facto heir, neither of the Princes in the Tower were even mentioned by then. Buckingham himself rebelled against Richard III in favour of Henry Tudor, not either of the Princes, he was Richard III's chief crony, if they were alive by then he would've known and tried to rescue them or declared in favour of them, since he didn't he likely thought they were dead

@dorothypozi543

2 жыл бұрын

The general belief is that Richard III killed his nephews. I believe that there were others who would've benefited from their deaths. Buckingham because he had Plantagenet blood in him, Henry Tudor for the obvious reasons. I personally believe that Thomas Stanley killed them. He had a vested interest in it. He was Henry Tudor's stepfather and he was Richard III's Lord Constable of England. I read somewhere that political prisoners were the responsibility of the Lord Constable of England. All Thomas Stanley needed to do was say to the Constable of the Tower is to do away with the boys and leave no evidence. The Constable of the Tower would've thought that the command came from the king. Richard III had already declared them illegitimate but he may still have done away with them anyway.

@savagedarksider5934

Жыл бұрын

@@dorothypozi543 Poor boys.

@dorothypozi543

Жыл бұрын

@@savagedarksider5934 I totally agree with you.

@susansurles3776

Жыл бұрын

So do i. And if not stanley, then tudor.

@susansurles3776

Жыл бұрын

Their existence was more of a problem to tudor than anyone else.

If Edward just married for his country a french wife like Warrick had managed to negotiate none of the further blood shed would have happened

@Heidenspross

5 жыл бұрын

even better how about a german princess or duchess? that alliance would have anihilated the french!

@samhart4205

5 жыл бұрын

Dana Davison I think it was less about love and more about the fact Edward no longer wanted to be under Warrick's thumb. Warrick's power would be rivalled by only by the King if Warrick had negotiated a marriage. Edward would've been indebted forever. Not to mention the Queen would've had Warrick as an ally and would've undoubtedly influenced the King. Edward learnt from Henry the Sixth's rule. Dan explained that quite well.

@leanie9660

5 жыл бұрын

If Edward had married as Warwick wanted, the country would still never have been at peace. George would never have been happy....Margaret of Anjou wasn't going to give up, and Margaret Beaufort was a ruthless, fanatical, religion-driven demon. Sadly, the only solution to the family fighting was the annihilation of rival claimants to the throne....which is pretty much what happened.

@msinvincible2000

5 жыл бұрын

@Dana Davison Precisely: Henry VIII and Elisabeth were the most horrible bloodthirsty monarch, faaaaaaaaaar more than bloody Mary. Had Edward not married the widow, England wouldn't have suffered under the horrible Tudors

@slightlyconfused876

5 жыл бұрын

Or if Warwick had not thought himself as being more important the king perhaps there wouldn't have been more bloodshed.

Richard may have started this whole mess by attempting to ensure that his dead brother's wishes were obeyed but it quickly devolved into a series of selfish and illegal choices (that he undoubtedly justified to himself) that cost many "inconvenient" people their lives while he maneuvered himself onto the throne.

@lefantomer

7 ай бұрын

it was not illegal. Eddie was a bigamist. That's according to the Church, Richard did not write that rule. He flatly stated that he did not want the throne, but of course the Tudor fans choose to ignore that.

@nbenefiel

7 ай бұрын

@@lefantomer Richard was the virtual lord of the north. He was one of the wealthiest men in England. He was head of the army and the Navy. The Woodville’s, in their attempt to steal control of England, beggared the treasury. Richard had to pay the coronation proceedings for young Edward out of his own pockets. The Woodville’s were trying to strip Richard of everything. They were probably planning to kill him. They tried to remove him from his position in the military, tried to take the protectorate. After Stillington revealed the plight troth, the Council and people urged Richard to take the throne. No one wanted a minor king controlled by the hated Woodvilles

@lefantomer

7 ай бұрын

@@nbenefiel Exactly. Most of the "evil murderer of his nephews because Shakespeare says so" advocates have no idea how much responsibility Richard held even before he became king. He was the equivalent of Secretary of State and head of the Joint Chiefs in this country. Or in what high regard he was considered because of his conduct in that capacity. But they'd rather have Shakespeare's scheming villain. According to his own words to the delegation who pressured him into taking the crown he did not want to do so and preferred to advise his nephew. That's from the minutes of that meeting, not twisted by Morton or More or Shakespeare or movie screen gloating by Sir Lawrence Olivier. But as the delegation led by Buckingham insisted, the people did not want to be ruled by the Woodville clan. In such a case Richard's own life and the survival of his family would indeed have been threatened. A brief but significant period of English history has been distorted and the achievements of an important Parliament have been buried under a lot of fictional speculation. If only for that reason the facts need to be determined.

@lyndsaycrawford

7 ай бұрын

at the time of Edward IV’s death the Woodville’s held most of the important jobs, like power of the ships, treasurer along with many more important positions that’s why Hastings tried to warn him that the Woodville’s were gaining power. Richard got his hands on the young king quicker than the Woodville’s, that’s all. Whoever had the young king had the power. He then went onto to commit a lot of nefarious acts which eventually led to the crown being forced upon him…… please. How could he possibly put young Edward on the throne n not lose his own head for the ppl he’s executed to get there. He couldn’t de Woodville the boy. I do imagine the Woodville’s had the exact same idea as Richard but probably thought he meant to rule through the young king. Not very likely murder Edward AND young Richard, the spare? If anyone can ever give me a logical reason why he even had the boys in the same room I’d love to hear it? If he had no bad intentions those boys would’ve been separated in case Edward became mortally ill n they would’ve needed young Richard healthy as he was next in line. For one Prince to meet unfortunate circumstances could’ve passed, might’ve got away with that but both boys c’mon!!!

@Moose.-vy5ye

6 ай бұрын

LindsayCrawford. Clueless comments devoid of research.

I really like Dan Jones and his documentaries. He really know's how to keep the audience engaged.

That Dan Jones is amazing at communication with gestures and words!

@usamazahid3882

4 жыл бұрын

Especially the *"Seriously !?!"* part, that's completely hilarious.

i like how they use the same actors over and over.

@TheKevin2005

5 жыл бұрын

Saving those costs on actors and using it on production... or Host Dude's travel costs, IMO

@MaryHaleyKelly

4 жыл бұрын

Richard II came back as Buckingham ... Loved it!

@ricardolujan4791

4 жыл бұрын

Henry II returned to be Rivers... lol

@theovolz3073

3 жыл бұрын

I heard in the next season they're casting one actor to play all the characters.

@juliusnepos6013

3 жыл бұрын

@@theovolz3073 lmao

Warrick sure was right about those Woodvilles wasn't he?

@motherlessgoat72

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't trust Warrick with anything he said. Nearly every single character in this snapshot of history has been corrupt, power-hungry, and extremely violent. Because of it, England suffered in the Wars of the Roses and people were ruthlessly murdered, including two innocent children. There isn't a side anyone can take without seeing the treachery and gross power lust in the eyes of the leaders in the Council.

@jammehrmann1871

4 жыл бұрын

It's Warwick!!

@netflixacc1726

3 жыл бұрын

wqrick just didnt like anyone who upstaged his power

@dotnb

3 жыл бұрын

They didn't deserve this.

@alisonridout

3 жыл бұрын

WARWICK

Did anyone notice the scene where the princes were smothered... they were holding hands to the end. That was such a sad but human touch. Anyways, loving these documentaries about the war of the roses. Imagine what a parallel world would look like where the princes were alive and Edward crowned king!

@juttamaier2111

Жыл бұрын

Aw well, the boys grew up separately and didn't know each other. ..

@christynorman7288

6 ай бұрын

Yes a better lot would be in the seat not this middle class, uncouth & sordid RF that's in position now. They are gauche and befriend obnoxious people like Jimmy Saville, Klaus Schwab & the WEF, Philip, Louis Mountbatten, Charles all in thick with paedophiles. Time they were moved aside I'm afraid. Pease ☮️ Out

I watched the Timeline Dan Jones series on the Plantagenets yesterday and am making my way through this series on the War of the Roses today. I just wanted to leave a comment on one of these videos mentioning how wildly entertaining I have found both of these series. They have been a wonderful reintroduction to a fascinating period of history. Thank you for the excellent work, it is much appreciated by this regular American guy who forgot a lot of it when he initially learned it years ago in school.

@bbrown333

2 жыл бұрын

Is it not weird to you that they've cast the same actors to play multiple roles within the one series?

@mikespearwood3914

4 ай бұрын

@@bbrown333 Sure. Guess they had a limited budget, lol!

Richard : i Am LoYaL tO mY lAtE bRoThEr AnD wAnT tO fUlFiLl hIs WiLl Also Richard : * kills his brother's sons and heirs *

@DannyBoy777777

3 жыл бұрын

Allegedly

@ruthmeb

3 жыл бұрын

@@DannyBoy777777 C'mon. He did it. Romantic Ricardians need to get a grip.

@DannyBoy777777

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruthmeb I'm no Richardian. Proper historians have to remain objective, faced with no evidence either way.

@ricardo7308

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruthmeb There's no evidence he killed his nephews

@yamchathewolf7714

3 жыл бұрын

@@ricardo7308 2+2 = 4

the 4 scariest words in the English language (ok, aside from "I know a shortcut".....): Let me protect you.

@johnclayden1670

4 жыл бұрын

Later, the three scariest became 'Forget the alimony'.

@burtburt2263

4 жыл бұрын

NAH! The 9 scariest words in English are, and have always been: "Were from the gov't, and were here to help..."

Strange that Dan never mentioned how there had been a rumor going around that Edward VI himself wasn't fathered by the Duke of York, and thus not of the Plantagenet line on his father's side. It must have been one of the reasons that Richard felt he had to take the crown himself.

@dorothypozi543

2 жыл бұрын

Actually in another documentary, Dan has said that Edward IV was the son of an archer from Rouen, France.

@-Ghostess

Жыл бұрын

@Carmel Gleeson They even had less celebration at his birth than his brothers because people knew!

@juismac

10 ай бұрын

@@carmelgleeson5042 Absolutely nothing has been proven either way. Edward IV was definitely very tall and that was a physically trait uncommon among the Yorks but showed up occasionally in the Plantagenet line ( Edward I called Longshanks was quite tall, a son of Edward III Lionel was extremely tall). Not physically resembling the Duke of York proves nothing, he could have physically resembled his mother or others in the Duke of Yorks ancestry. In fact the evidence is clear that his mother carrying on with a low born archer at the time would have been extremely risky but I guess a one off sexual encounter could have been possible. But the rumors of Edwards IV illegitimate birth was started by Richard ( and possibly the mother in a fit of rage) I because of their absolute hatred for Edwards in-laws the Woodvilles and to prevent them from exerting influence on the young king.

@madeleinedartois4689

5 ай бұрын

It was quite idiotic of him since the Wars of the Roses had only recently ended, and the legitimacy of the York branch not quite established yet. He only endangered his own family's, and therefore his own, position. I think it's proof of the frailty of his cause : he was clinging to any thread, no matter how fragile or dangerous in the long run.

Last time I murdered two kids, I used this exact line of defense. "Well, your honor, it was the result of a violent clash of events and personalities in which my options narrowed to just one. By the way, I genuinely believe that this is what my dead brother wished I did" And it went really smoothly. Now I am enjoying liberty. *And I may be in your neighborhood.*

Exciting documentary, indeed. It is amazing how Jones mixes the historical facts and the dramatic development of a tyrant's mind. He is an excellent historian.

A fascinating and pivotal period in English History. More than many people can ever imagine. A marvellous record of The Wars of The Roses. Thank you.

The princes in the tower has always been my favourite tale

Thank you for sharing this with us! This series is brilliantly done! Your commentaries are so interesting and explain what is happening very clearly! I hated history in high school but had my teacher been able to explain the way you do in these series. I would've been a history buff!

These Time-Line episodes are amazing. They are very well produced. The costumes are fantastic. The actors superb. The narrator showing actual locations of historical moments. The visits to the National Archives with texts written in hands long since dead, Just amazing!

@isthatrubble

9 ай бұрын

it's actually a channel 5 documentary

@kimberlypatton205

8 ай бұрын

For someone like me who loves history and being more of a visual learner, these are wonderful! You just couldn’t make these stories up any better!

Thank you for the upload

Ive heard Tyrion was based on Richard III but I keep being reminded of Stannis

@idontgiveafaboutyou

5 жыл бұрын

Nameless Entity It depends on what you think about Richard lll

@effingel

5 жыл бұрын

Im not sure what to think honestly. Ive heard that hes not the monster history has made him out to be but ive never heard a good explanation as to why. From this series he sounds nothing like Tyrion, seems like a bad guy and reminded me of Stannis so maybe I need to watch a doc specifically on Richard III

@idontgiveafaboutyou

5 жыл бұрын

F L In the books, Stannis wasn’t that bad of a guy from what I remember. Personally, I think Richard could be a mix between Tyrion and Stannis.

@mrvulture8981

5 жыл бұрын

Remember stannis!!!

@kikima258

3 жыл бұрын

@@effingel stannis is not a bad guy read the books he is way more complexe than this and honestly the best choice for a king this richard remind me of both tywin and tyrion

So he committed murder multiple times, including against close friends, locked both his nephews and murdered them too, tried to manipulate the law and his power in his own advantage with obvious lies, all to his own personal advantage, and all because of a "personal perspective" and not because he was a bad person? Really?

@fredbarker9201

5 жыл бұрын

ifty hargil Henry VII and his family probably killed the princes

@iftyhargil8359

5 жыл бұрын

Fred Barker Just following the narrative presented.

@thegoodcouncillicios

5 жыл бұрын

It's obvious he is quite alarmingly senile but he would have been really out of power or worse had he not done what he had due in fact to him arresting the Kings uncle. Plus he had that weird beef with the woodvills he would have been so screwed if any of the boys would have been King.

@lairdericwells4075

5 жыл бұрын

Richard no more killed those boys in the tower than Cookie Monster left Sesame Street and became a key figure in the overthrow of Arbenz in Guatemala.

@iain5615

5 жыл бұрын

The Woodvilles were distrusted and hated by many in England. The Lancastrians hated them and many of the Yorkists did too. Elizabeth, Edward IV's wife, obtained so many positions for her family and married her family into all the most powerful families with the objective to control that power. Basically, the Woodvilles aimed to take complete control of England and Edward V. The English crown would not have survived that. Richard was caught between the power hungry Woodvilles and the majority of the country. In no way was it clear cut, for the sake of the country the Woodvilles had to be taken down a few pegs but that created an untenable position, for if Richard resigned control would have gone to the Woodvilles. Henry VII, a Lancastrian who defeated Richard III, solved this conundrum beautifully by marrying Edward IV's and Elizabeth Woodville's daughter. As such the marriage brought the Lancastrians, Yorkists and the Woodvilles all into the union to form a new house - the Tudors.

Thanks to all those at Timeline who makes these wonderful documentaries possible. They are really my favourite and as a history lover this is gold to me.

Dan is an amazing historian. Passion goes a long way. thx for the videos. very inspirational and fun :)

I dunno. I'm still a fan of the Margaret Beaufort theory. She and her son as much, if not more to gain by getting the princes out of the way.

@WilliamRobinson-bb6mr

5 жыл бұрын

@@MarieAnne. My money's on Buckingham doing the dirty work. It might have been the reason why they fell out. Truth is no one really knows except the person who did it.

@MaryHaleyKelly

4 жыл бұрын

Margaret did plot with Buckingham later on and Buckingham is the most likely suspect in directly murdering them. He was connected to both main figures who had a lot to gain from the princes being dead. What if Buckingham did it on Margaret's orders and Richard found out and to save his skin Buckingham rebelled? Richard was not dumb, he knew how easy children die, he still needed his nephews as he had only one son, not even daughters, and his nephew by George was a simple-minded child, another Henry VI so useless to Richard. I think Buckingham actrd without Richard's approval or even under someone elses orders and that led to them falling out.

@milicat2747

4 жыл бұрын

It all points to Richard, but what concernes me is that Henry VII gave back titles to his wifes brothers after their wedding. At that time people were spreading stories that two boys might be alive, how could he be so sure that theyre actually dead. Unless, someone told him that, someone that knows it for certain. His mother? Lord Stanley? I know that he also did it for Elizabeth of Yorks legitimacy but still, Margaret wrote to Elizabeth Woodville while she was in Westminster abbey to support Henry and her daughters marriage and his claim to the throne. At that time no one knew were princes alive or not. How could she be so sure that Woodville will support his claim UNLESS...

@AmazinGraceXOXO1

4 жыл бұрын

Also when Henry VII speaks of Richard III's crimes he calls him tyrant and lists all he bad things he did, but he never calls him a murderer. Why? Because he knew Richard didn't kill them. Unless they were still alive , like some people seem to believe

@reneeseverin3470

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! So True!

His skeleton, discovered in 2012 under a Leicester City Council parking lot, showed a severe curvature of the spine due to adolescent idiopathic scoliosis. He also had worms (as did many people in Medieval Europe).

i cant tell you i how much ive enjoyed watching your movies. im obsessed with this specific period

11:54 clock that safety pin on his shoulder. Damn 1400s!!

@neveniusvondubowatz7705

5 жыл бұрын

It was him... EDNA!!!

We are so fond of heroes and villains but people are rarely that uncomplicated. Really good episode!

I love how Timeline give us these documentaries. So entertaining and well structured

I wish they'd introduced Richard a bit more in the previous video.

@janrees4887

4 жыл бұрын

They also didn't mention his other brother George the duke of Clarence

@WilliamRobinson-bb6mr

4 жыл бұрын

Richard was only 20 in the battle of Barnet so was irrelevant to that story.

@harryobrien4394

4 жыл бұрын

@@WilliamRobinson-bb6mr Richard fought at Barnet and was in charge of Edward's right wing

@MyrnaMinkoff-yy4qd

4 жыл бұрын

@@harryobrien4394 And I believe he was at Tewskbury too.

This is classic of absolute power corrupts absolutely

@WilliamRobinson-bb6mr

5 жыл бұрын

Lord Acton's words were true. Richard's mind was corrupted by power.

@christinanelson7081

3 жыл бұрын

That's right, that is true, and that is one of the oldest sayings in the book, about a tyrannical society and dictators and government.

@mikhailiagacesa3406

3 жыл бұрын

Incorrect...absolute power attracts the corruptible.

I don't buy the proposition that "Richard III started out with good intentions". Everything he did was to secure the crown for himself.

Amazing series, Well done!!!

I wish there was something like this for Dutch history.

@Herbsandspices100

5 жыл бұрын

kzread.infovideos There is a few documentaries on there. I don't think their as good as these one's though.

can we appreciate the fact that at 14:06 he used gloves

Excellent!! This series is brilliant!

I think he real culprit who would have benefited from the princes deaths was Henry (VII) Tudor. By wiping out the last of the House of Plantagenet it made it easy for the Tudors claim the throne.

@Luubelaar

5 жыл бұрын

@@EvanSol919 - Henry's mother, Margaret Beaufort, was in the thick of it and never left England. Margaret was also married to Sir Henry Stafford, uncle of Henry Stafford, 2nd Duke of Buckingham, who just so happened to be Richard III's pal. It's all a little too easy really. Buckingham whispers the right things into Richard's ear, increasing his paranoia. Ultimately making it much easier for Henry Tudor to pull support and win the crown by conquest.

@iain5615

5 жыл бұрын

We will never know the real reason for the death of the Princes but it seems fairly certain that Richard was the author of their deaths.

@fredbarker9201

5 жыл бұрын

Luubelaar precisely when people blame Henry VII, we tend to mean his mother Beaufort who was at the royal court.

@QueenKordeilia

5 жыл бұрын

@@Luubelaar Sir Henry Stafford died in 1971, a year after Edward V was born. Are you saying that Margaret and her husband conspired with his nephew to kill a one year old and his brother who'd not yet even been conceived? You're phrasing your theory all wrong. You shouldn't mention Margaret's husband and his relation to the Duke of Buckingham. The Duke of Buckingham was Margaret's cousin anyway! You should just say that the Duke of Buckingham revolted against Richard III the year the princes disappeared to put Henry Tudor on the throne. That explains it all without making you look stupid.

@drumguy1384

4 жыл бұрын

@@Luubelaar It's not really clear why Richard and Buckingham had such a bitter falling out, but it certainly seemed to happen shortly after the last sighting of the Princes. It seems to me that Buckingham, with the Princes now out of the way and Richard blamed for it, no longer had to keep up the pretense of being his friend and his real intentions could be revealed. It is telling that Buckingham's rebellion started as a bid to restore Edward V, but quickly switched to Henry ... If Buckingham turned against Richard because he discovered he had killed Edward this wouldn't make sense. However, if Buckingham himself had conspired to kill the Princes it would make a convenient excuse to start a rebellion. A rebellion which, once started, could be turned toward his true goal of putting Henry on the Throne. Given the way the Tudors masterfully manipulated and/or killed everyone around them after taking power, it would not surprise me at all if they completely orchestrated the entire rise and fall of Richard III to pave the way.

The actor who played Simon de Montfort is playing lord Hastings here

@purplexninjamom

5 жыл бұрын

They reused most of the actors. I´m glad someone else noticed.

@amazed92

5 жыл бұрын

the one who played Buckingham in this was the mad king in another one

@slightlyconfused876

5 жыл бұрын

So he should be good at historic characters who end up dead.

@SvrWxArchive1807

5 жыл бұрын

Fairly certain that the Earl of Rivers used to be Henry II. And the Earl of Buckingham used to be Richard II. Man they downgraded after they died.

@stanleytweedle1897

5 жыл бұрын

@@amazed92 Richard the 2nd. Richard the 2nd wound up being Richard the 3r'd lackey.

Man, you gotta love family.

I love this stuff. If it was explained like this when I was in formative school I probably would have paid attention.

Killing Edward V and Richard of York is the complete opposite of "doing what his brother wanted" for Richard.

These are excellent documentaries. Totally engrossing. Dan Jones is a top notch presenter.

I'm amazed to see Dan wearing protective gloves while handling an ancient manuscript

@jomc7425

2 жыл бұрын

There might be different rules in France than in the UK.

Such an amazing documentary!!! Thank you

Dan is pretty damn close to my ideal husband. Handsome, funny, tattooed, down to earth and obsessed with history❤️

@laurenlanterns4376

6 жыл бұрын

Pillow Princess and glasses

@shimonzitter5526

6 жыл бұрын

and married

@l.jboylan6704

6 жыл бұрын

and he lies to his daughter

@pillowprincess3673

6 жыл бұрын

Jesus Is Lord So what?

@TimelineChannel

6 жыл бұрын

You're thinking of the other historian Dan, Dan Snow...

I always think the sudden unexplained death of Edward IV was rather mysterious. I offer without evidence a hypothesis that he was poisoned.

@madeleinedartois4689

5 ай бұрын

He just drank and ate and whored his way to an early grave, that's all

I don’t think he’s very objective about his opinions about Richard III apparent “guilt.”

This is the most dramatic history lesson I have ever had

This richard actor is good,give off a very strong michael corleone vibe,buckingham actor is cool too

With videos such as this each person has a deeper insight into history much more exciting than any action movie.

It amazes me how they can track people down fairly quickly without GPS, especially when out hunting. I can't find my way out of my own freakin' neighborhood. But, then again, I live in CA where none of the streets are set up in any logical order.

Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!

Timeline is brilliant !!!

You have to turn this story on its head, or at least this version of the tale. What would the Woodvilles have done to Richard, the king's brother, if he had backed the Princes' claim to the throne? It's a very bloody period in history and to be fair, they would probably have killed Richard to ensure he had no lineage that might have come to prominence.

@GoldLove21

Жыл бұрын

I don't believe they would have killed Richard had he backed his brothers son claim. They desperately needed the support and were in a precarious position. Now any sons he himself had? Probably would have had an " accident " by woodville hands. If Richards son had been to ambitious

@isthatrubble

9 ай бұрын

I doubt it, they needed all the support they could get, and if he doesn't show any signs of not being genuine he's a very valuable ally

Its interesting that a major player in this drama is never mentioned; John, Lord Howard. He had served with Richard and was regarded as a friend. In addition he had a major grievance with the young prince Richard. When the last of the Mowbray Dukes of Norfolk died in 1475, Edward bestowed the lands and title on prince Richard, making him Duke of York and Norfolk. John, Lord Howard regarded that title as rightfully his. When Richard proclaimed himself King, at his side was Howard, and one of his first proclamations was one bestowing the lands and title of Duke of Norfolk on Howard. Indeed, Howard remained steadfastly loyal to Richard till his death at Bosworth.

Anyone notice the actor playing Richard II is Buckingham here?

@chrisp4170

5 жыл бұрын

yep

@amimej87

5 жыл бұрын

yeah!!!

@marcfrancisteodoro7720

5 жыл бұрын

Henry II is rivers here

@fatcoconut

5 жыл бұрын

its because of incest

@MaryHaleyKelly

4 жыл бұрын

@@marcfrancisteodoro7720 oh wow, didn't notice until you said it, now I can't unsee it :-D

Dave Grohl was perfectly cast as Richard.

@PAULLONDEN

4 жыл бұрын

He wished.......thought it was Noel Gallagher though....

@gazza2933

4 жыл бұрын

Did Richard have a beard? Sorry GW, can't agree on that one.

@aramis5301

4 жыл бұрын

Really?... He looks nothing like Richard III.

@callarose9432

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@kennithvan7533

4 жыл бұрын

i thought i also saw the actor who played Richard II

Richard III was really doing exactly what his era demanded.

When did historians become so young, interesting and handsome ❤️

@johnfarrandrogers1299

2 жыл бұрын

@Sk8FraSch Dan Jones, is I think, more of a journalist than a historian. Very sensational and everything presented in black and white. Of course there are other possible explanations, and many shades of grey - but this is very suitable for an American audience.

These docs are fantastic.

Dan Jones passion for history is energetic & contagious, and refreshingly not sensationalist

oops at 12:01...Richard's livery collar was secured with a safety pin.

I watched the GoT and Richard 3 is all the whole 8 series rolled in 1, LOL

@michaelcastellano588

5 жыл бұрын

not wrong tbh

@maxkafula1231

5 жыл бұрын

jesus does that make Richard III daenerys???

Love this documentary so far part 1 and 2 was good hope this will better one

Fantastic documentary, really interesting to us history buffs.

Stannis Baratheon of Game of Thrones is Richard III is so obvious... Brilliant military commander , put down a rebellion at north of england (scotland) which is basically wildlings then afterwards comes in south and take the throne...

@KellieDoll28

5 жыл бұрын

erinç varol I know Robert Baratheon is based on Edward IV, and Eddard Stark (loosely) on Lord Hastings. Martin himself said this. I agree, Stannis does appear to be based on Richard III

@erincvarol4888

5 жыл бұрын

KellieSand04 actually grrm mixed up history a little bit...eddard stark is the duke of york ( richard) father of edward 4 suits better than hasting. Edward 4 is rob stark than robert baratheon because he weds minor lady instead of french princess( jeyne westerling instead of walder fray daughter) which is big mistake. In the end little bit of that and little bit of those...

Enough of the ads guys. There are more here than mainstream tv. Geez

@senorpaella1492

5 жыл бұрын

Just get adblock bruh

@DBIIJ0U

5 жыл бұрын

If ur on mobile skip to the end then replay, you are welcome.

@tonynaq7498

5 жыл бұрын

@@DBIIJ0U Thanks so much for this. I was sick of seeing ads about Google

@TheKevin2005

5 жыл бұрын

ad blockers, bro

@LyricalXilence

4 жыл бұрын

Everyone should have at least one trustworthy adblocker. These fools are going crazy with ads.

Thanks fore the education, 🙏✨very well told and 🌹nice to hear. Sending Love❤️and Lights🌞🌔✨🌹

I want more of these. I love the reenactments and Dan Jones(think right name). Anyone know of other history reenactment tellings like this?

11:54 I spy a safety pin. Very historically accurate. All sarcasm aside, I love these documentaries and they are both enjoyable and well made

Wasn’t Buckingham married to the Widowed Queen Elizabeth Woodville’s sister? So he was also the young King’s uncle and he is thought to be their killer. Poor kids murdered by uncles on both sides of their family.

Another great one. Super cool 😎.

Great doc🌝❗