This man (Richard) is the embodiment of the quote: "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain".

@alenajakub1256

Жыл бұрын

Literally so true

@MS-zu8ds

Жыл бұрын

Quote from where?

@ahmerkhan6657

Жыл бұрын

@@MS-zu8ds From "Dark Knight - Batman" 😁

@margo3367

10 ай бұрын

“Live by the sword, die by the sword”.

@mechadoggy

6 ай бұрын

@@margo3367That’s what King Jesus said

How cool is it that so many of the buildings where these huge historical events took place are still standing?

@susanmccormick6022

2 жыл бұрын

Can someone tell me why & when Baynards Castle was destroyed?

@sundance81677

Жыл бұрын

They’re just buildings but think of all the history they’ve stood witness to.

@nicolasmartinez795

Жыл бұрын

@@sundance81677 If only the walls could tell stories, one day I hope to visit these locations

@tire26

9 ай бұрын

It's very cool, Mrs. Severed Head.

@noreply-7069

2 ай бұрын

​@@susanmccormick6022 It was destroyed by the Great Fire of London in 1666.

Most people today wouldn't last one week in this kind of society. I know I wouldn't.

@dianerose7631

3 жыл бұрын

True. How long would they say to last in ours ?

@dianerose7631

3 жыл бұрын

Therefore I think that argument is moot

@louise_rose

2 жыл бұрын

Agree with the OP

@sabine4759

2 жыл бұрын

But people of former days wouldn´t also last one week in our so called "modern world"!

@j_mokusei

2 жыл бұрын

I rather die than live in this kind of society.

That 12yr old "boy" looks like my 22yr old son.

@saoirsedonnelly2352

3 жыл бұрын

Right? Teenage boys look like they’re 10 until they’re 16. Could have even undercast lol

@GosieKin

3 жыл бұрын

@@saoirsedonnelly2352 oh, depends, on the parents genes and the race, too. My friend's son, back when he barely reached 12, was tall enough, with enough body mass and with an already showing facial hair (upper lip first), to EASILY pass for a 16yo.... till he spoke, of course. 3😉 And another friend, but this time from Japan, looked like a 15, where she was, in fact, pass 25... I won't argue, however, with the fact that the actor was not chosen well.

@Blackkittydoll

3 жыл бұрын

To see is to believe

@theforgemaster629

3 жыл бұрын

@@saoirsedonnelly2352 Lie I have son he is 13 he looked like 25 that what people and my family said and I'm not mad at them because he looks like freaking 25

@mysticdragonwolf89

3 жыл бұрын

He looks my age.....I’m 32 but I look 22

Why does Edward, who is supposed to be 12, look like he's 26?

@elhombredeoro955

3 жыл бұрын

This is strange indeed.

@allies7184

3 жыл бұрын

@@elhombredeoro955 He's probably the director's son.

@jillianaprati108

3 жыл бұрын

Kyle S. Same with the power rangers in the 90s. 😂

@brontewcat

3 жыл бұрын

hamberderhelper Probably the rules for child actors make it easier to use adult actors

@mareikelohbrandt4990

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I thought, too. Looks like the boy is 16, but never 12. Maybe the smaller one is 12 instead.

I'm addicted to these videos with Dan Jones! I have always loved history of the UK even as a kid when you had to look stuff up in encyclopedias.

@Rukasepar

3 жыл бұрын

I am addicted to Dan Jones! :-)

@cindyreynolds4045

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahaha he is a good looking kid!

@nancybroertjes2292

3 жыл бұрын

Renee, I used to sneak to the basement and took a volume of the encyclopedia to read under the covers in bed.

@nancybroertjes2292

3 жыл бұрын

Renee, I also learned I was sixth cousin to the late Princess of Wales.

@dfuher968

3 жыл бұрын

Renee, I would still advise u to look it up in encyclopedias. This was my first Dan Jones "documentary", and it will be my last. This has very little to do with known facts, almost all of it is pure fictional. I call it fictional, coz hes presenting it, as if it was truth, but it is not. This is his theory of what happened, and its very dishonest to cherrypick the few facts, that fit his desired conclusion, ignore all those that do not fit, and then invent an entire story and present it as historical fact. This is not history. This is fiction. If he was an honest presenter, he would lay out, what known facts there are, present the likely suspects (yes, there are others besides Richard), present the possible theories for each including all circumstantial evidence for AND against each theory, all the while ALWAYS clearly stating what is proven historical fact (which is very little), what is extrapolation, what is speculation, and what is pure guesswork/his opinion. He does none of that. Plz dont confuse this with actual history.

Kings may come and kings may go but hell hath no fury like a pissed off Queen'

@grahamkemp

3 жыл бұрын

As every married man knows....

@niccoarcadia4179

3 жыл бұрын

Like the anarchy era fury where Maud (Empress Matilda) fought King Steven to the point of the collapse of England.

@kathgibbs2881

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@fratercorleonis

3 жыл бұрын

rubbish

@Elglarad

3 жыл бұрын

@@niccoarcadia4179 The first English Civil War, that historians tend to overlook.

Quarantine brought me to multiple history documents. KZread recommendations is smt huh?

@malaiahooks2215

3 жыл бұрын

same plus, who knows about six the musical? no one, just me? ok...

@iloveyourunclebob

3 жыл бұрын

@@malaiahooks2215 don't lose ur head

@Stawbayley

3 жыл бұрын

Malaia Hooks I do I love Tudor history so interesting

@sanapotter9053

3 жыл бұрын

i’ve become obsessed with british monarchs also once?

@luciannasoucy5015

3 жыл бұрын

I have always been interested in the miveil times but all of this stuff has me glued to mostly all of the monarchs!

The true Game of Thrones is equally terrifying!

@CarlosHenriqueXavierEndo

3 жыл бұрын

Art do not copies life. Life is much worst.

@nichhodge8503

2 жыл бұрын

George RR Martin based A Game Of Thrones on the Wars Of The Roses and you can see the similarities (except the dragons & white walkers). Where in the WOTR you had the “Kingmaker” and in GOT you had the “Kingslayer”

@JTuniversenet

2 жыл бұрын

@@nichhodge8503 exactly this was centuries before g.o.t. that was based on this and that can't compare to this at all.history rules.

@peterrooke5336

2 жыл бұрын

It ended better too

@mish375

2 жыл бұрын

@@JTuniversenet It's strange that people seem to think that GOT is the only series to show medieval life. There have been plenty before that showed how brutal the past was.

Tip to any parents of a future king out there; never let your child be snatched and “protected” by a stranger!

@lyndarowe3441

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks I will try to remember that !

@kowpse_uwu6168

3 жыл бұрын

He's the uncle not a stranger lol

@sese6227

3 жыл бұрын

Advice I'm sure will come in handy, for many of us 🤣🤣

@abbypengelly1432

3 жыл бұрын

@@sese6227 🤣🤣

@susanmccormick6022

2 жыл бұрын

Most of the Plantagenets were blonde & hair's a bit short for the time.I am a Ricardian but always wondered why he killed Hastings,Vaughn & Earl Rivers.The latter only carrying out his sister's command.Read his poetry if u can.He was a very gifted man.

so basically man go's crazy to assure his nephew gets to be king by then killing his nephew

@sese6227

3 жыл бұрын

Man kills his nephew, to ensure his brother's will is carried out, following his death. He just forgot that one of those orders included his nephew, becoming the new ruler... whoops. The devil's in the details, & Richard clearly wasn't a stickler for details 😬

@AnneEloiseOfCNY

2 жыл бұрын

The first time ever I laughed over this moment in history! Wickedly funny, the both of you! 😆😆

He ruined his entire bloodline in 6 MONTHS!?!?!?!?!?!?! And I thought my life was a mess.

This is my new favorite channel. It isn't the same old story regurgitated with new narration. The story, narration, reenactments, etc. are a step above all others. I can't help but binge on all these videos since finding them 😁❤

Even if you could convince me that he didn't have the boys killed, you cant convince me that he was doing any of this to honor his brothers wishes. He wanted power for himself and seemed to have no thought for what his brother would have wanted. I also think its crazy that we still call Elizabeth Woodville "power hungry" for wishing to see her family succeed and her distrust of Edwards brothers. I think she has every reason to distrust them based on their behavior and I think the Woodville family were naturally trying to protect themselves and their interests as all families would have in their position. Just my thoughts.

@terriaustin1753

Жыл бұрын

And your thought are 100 percent accurate👑

@AC-ze1nh

Жыл бұрын

Basically the Woodvilles dared to rise above their station in the eyes of the courtiers. Elizabeth was a brave woman and she helped avenge the deaths of her sons in the end. The whole realm felt Richard had gone too far, which he did.

@batelshimoni1078

Жыл бұрын

Basically, the one really at fault here is Edward IV. Richard will protect himself, the Woodvilles will protect themselves. But this conflict wouldn't have risen in the first place if both sides weren't placed in that fighting positions due to Edward's explosive loins.

@heathenpride7931

Жыл бұрын

@@batelshimoni1078 explosive loins? Wtf? Is he not supposed to sire an heir? Should’ve given Richard the same treatment he gave the other brother.

@ericbrown1101

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I don't care for this whitewashing of Richard III that's been going on lately. Lots of apologizing going on. They gave him a very nice funeral when they found his bones a few years back, especially for a child murderer. I accept that things may not be as simple as they're made out to be. But there's no getting around him murdering those 2 kids so he could be king. His infamy is deserved.

Love anything Dan Jones does. He makes history so interesting and engaging. Who needs fiction when you have this reality?

@huberticusrex

Жыл бұрын

His books are very enjoyable as well. I have a few

@NessaBear90

Жыл бұрын

It helps that he isn't so bad to look at either 😏

@patriciafenwick5846

Жыл бұрын

@@NessaBear90 Yes, and the tattoos!

@yumba-uz4dn

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely !!! I get so annoyed at the historical misleading of events in the TV series ! people think they know history watching them when history is fascinating just as it happened. Dan Jones knows how to tell history !!

@lefantomer

Ай бұрын

Well, 500 years worth of speculation on these "murders in the Tower" that began with a gossip surge after the kids were removed from the premises to prevent further kidnapping attempts was quite a piece of fiction to begin it all with.

The war of the roses is far more interesting than a song of ice and fire. And that’s an amazing book/show

@belindasalgado2956

2 жыл бұрын

War of the Rose's came on PBS a couple of times

@belindasalgado2956

2 жыл бұрын

I also have some of the books based on this war/divide between the bothers. I've a few more to get to complete it

@ericbrown1101

Жыл бұрын

GoT is heavily based on the Wars of the Roses, with a little of the Heptarchy sprinkled in. GRRM's fantasies are pretty much ripoffs of actual English history. The new House of the Dragon series appears to be based on the Anarchy. Simply proving that fact is far crazier than fiction.

@anaihilator

Жыл бұрын

It should be since GRR Martin based thr books on the war of the roses

Something i learned in history is that Treason is the best solution against people who are against your interest. 😆😆

@aliciamarcel3620

3 жыл бұрын

Off with their head

@sese6227

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much. Another constant....all hell breaks loose, when someone believes their cushy lifestyle is about to be infringed upon, by a new ruler. The amount of insanity & destruction, that ensues because of greed, is astounding.

@fainatselnik267

2 жыл бұрын

Ha ha - agreed. Clever observation - medieval equivalent of ‘there is a fire’ - it immediately gets everyone attention and mobilize masses to fight.

@rgray531

2 жыл бұрын

In 2021, “Treason!” is basically, “Racist” or “Nazi”! It’s bollucks, but it’s all cowards have when they can’t call you anything real to get their way.

Richard had a slightly curved spine? This must've aired before they found his remains.

@AimlessSavant

3 жыл бұрын

In the intro, they did describe him as a hunchback...?

@jinxingxuelang

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know when this aired, but what a funny way to put it when everybody has a curved spine

@soniamacdonald9193

3 жыл бұрын

@@jinxingxuelang Richard had severe scoliosis which did indeed severely affect his spine, as proved by the excavation of his skeleton.

@alancoe1002

3 жыл бұрын

Remember what a good tailor can do for you. He could afford it.

@sampuatisamuel9785

3 жыл бұрын

Saw a different doco of Richard III using a man with similar affliction, his hunchback not obvious at all

It amazing to think if the 2 prince's weren't killed it would have changed history dramatically, they be no Henry Vll and they would be no protestants no bloody mary and no burning of protestants ....

@MelissaK133

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention Henry VIII would never have founded the Church of England and England could have remained with the Pope

@eloiseparrish5180

3 жыл бұрын

@@MelissaK133 co

@beckyenglish4783

3 жыл бұрын

Think: “Blackadder” series one: that the princes were never murdered sets the whole story up...

@colinturner4158

3 жыл бұрын

The paths of us British could have been so different

@philjones352

3 жыл бұрын

If the princes weren't killed Richard wouldn't have been King, but Henry Tudor and Margaret (Beaufort?) and all the nobility that still resented that the crown passing to the house of York would still have been around so there is no guarantee that Henry Tudor wouldn't have made a bid for the crown.

Edward IV appointed Richard as the Protector when he was dying, but the Woodvilles raised Edward the V, and the Woodvilles also wanted to keep power.

@terriaustin1753

Жыл бұрын

In the movie he was married to Anne ..warrick the kingmakers daughter

@nobodysbaby5048

Жыл бұрын

Not true.

@susanfalconedaquino3623

Жыл бұрын

@@nobodysbaby5048 What's not true?

This is the only episode I’ve seen where they wear gloves when handling this artifacts

@snikkerr1949

3 жыл бұрын

I was worried the whole time that spit would fly out of his mouth onto the book!

@laalaag2auntyayag776

3 жыл бұрын

@@snikkerr1949 omg-🤯. That just happened & I had the exact same thought... Glad to know I must not be as weird as I once believed. Phew! 😅

@lindahansen2237

3 жыл бұрын

I hate when they handle those relics bare handed.

@Yasin_2312

3 жыл бұрын

They should wear gloves and mask

@susiedupuy9532

2 жыл бұрын

He wears gloves in another series too.

In 1674, two skeletons were discovered under the stairs in the tower and reburied in Westminster Abbey. John Ashdown-Hill, a 56-yearold PhD student at Essex University, hopes that DNA analysis of a locket of hair believed to belong to the boys' niece, Mary Tudor, could reveal the answer.....I hope this is the boys.

@jadamcleod2895

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, was it? Do u know

@jadamcleod2895

3 жыл бұрын

@@GuilhermeSilva-lt6rw thankyou

@-.Germanicus.-

3 жыл бұрын

@@GuilhermeSilva-lt6rw Im not sure why she would deny such a facinsting discovery. Disrespectful to the remains of potential royals of england if found to be true. But if to be true, they deserve a proper burial. And pushes the anti york propaganda which furthers her claim of ancestral right. Not that it matters now, its a one of those great mysteries of history

@kimclarke5018

3 жыл бұрын

Unknown why would she refuse? She is 94 years old. Why would it matter several hundred years later other than to identify them and give them a proper burial. A mystery solved as to what happened to these kids.

@-.Germanicus.-

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimclarke5018 they gave richard the third a burial a few years ago and solved that mystery so why not this one?

3 years and I still come back to these, I’m not even English or into UK history stuff, I just find this to be really cleanly produced and well informed, thank you!!

3:53 couldn't focus on anything after the prince's nose got smooshed lmfao

Nice production quality. Very well done!

Prayers 🙏 they are found safe and well after 540 years 😢 Pray for their safe recovery 😭

@Neddoest

19 күн бұрын

lmao

Wow wow wow, what a history!! That's how you got it, not back in school! Also a big compliment to the actors, great!

Thank you very much for sharing !❤

3:16 That's suppose to be a 12 year old boy? He looks about 20.

I am surprised that nobody attempted to kill Richard during all of this time.

@kimguerrero8560

3 жыл бұрын

Flower Petals he was killed by Henry VII amd started the Tudor Dynasty.

@flowerpetals1396

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimguerrero8560 Thank you.

@freebird1ification

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimguerrero8560 i was wondering what his right hand man did that got his head chopped off

@alancoe1002

3 жыл бұрын

@@freebird1ification he rebelled in 1483. Bad weather and bad luck, plus Buckingham was not a good lord to his people, so they sold him to Richard. Buckingham's son and heir would also be beheaded in the course of time, by Henry the Eighth.

@susanmccormick6022

2 жыл бұрын

@@freebird1ification Buck was always unstable & rose against Richard though I am not sure why.

Another fantastic video!

Thanx for your films. I'm teaching history. Your films are fantastic complementation of my lectures.

Have always loved the Plantagenets..Great family full of everything..Love..Hate..Greed..Jealousy.. Usually fantastic warriors..hard.. Just..and everything that a King should be in the Medieval Period. Love this series..Thank you so much for it.

@kashfiaislam9995

Жыл бұрын

Redhead ballet dancer Mackenzie Davis is the first and only living direct descendant of Prince Edmund, Earl of Ruthford. Prince Edmund, Earl of Ruthford was the younger brother of King Edward IV. Redhead ballet dancer Mackenzie Davis's older sister Katelyn's father, Neil Michael Davis did NOT father redhead ballet dancer Mackenzie Davis but Prince Edmund, Earl of Ruthford did despite being over 500 years old. 🎭🩰🎨kzread.info/dash/bejne/aGF81LOQY9jHoMo.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKCsvMONnrTIp6g.html

@danmillward7969

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget...king John , Edward ii Richard ii Henry vi....etc......all clearly bad kings

Sometimes the obvious answer is the answer. I disagree heavily that Lady Margaret Beaufort or Henry Tudor himself had any involvement in their disappearance, and there are problems with claiming they did. 1. Richard had the most to gain via the boys disappearance. What often gets overlooked is that he had them declared illegitimate due to their mother's (Elizabeth Woodville's) lower nobility background. This was a move that was controversial even back then and could've easily been challenged by even other yorkists, who may attempt to place one of the boys on the throne instead of him. So the princes just disappear right after he declared them illegitimate so he was less likely to be challenged on that move? Seems very convenient for Richard. Leaving the boys alive after having declared them illegitimate was a huge risk. 2. Henry Tudor wasn't even in England at the time of the disappearance, and they were already missing for a good two years before Henry even set foot back in the country. As for Margaret Beaufort, her husband Lord Stanley, didn't become constable of London, and therefore in charge of the tower, until well and after the boys went missing. Plus, it's a bit of stretch to say that Margaret convinced whoever may carried it out for her, that this would hopefully in the off chance, might backfire on Richard which they had no way of knowing it would, and then gamble everything on the yorkists splitting because of it, and then again gambling everything on Henry winning against Richard. How would they even know Henry would beat Richard? It would've been all for nothing if he didn't. Claiming she was involved relies on her either knowing or guessing everything that did happen would happen.

@ellenyoung8283

Жыл бұрын

The boys were declared bastards by parliament because a bishop came forward and confessed he had first person knowledge of Edwards pre-construction of marriage with another woman not his wife. Thus all of Edwards children with Elizabeth Woodville were bastardized and could not legally inherit the throne. Richard naturally inherited the Kingship. He lost his crown due to betrayal by the Stanley's at Bosworth field.

@catdairy367

8 ай бұрын

Same thought. How would they kill princes if they are not that powerful back then. it’s not easy

@nbenefiel

5 ай бұрын

Richard gained nothing from the boys disappearance. We know they were alive after Richard’s coronation. There was never a rebellion in support of them. If Richard had them killed, the only possible benefit to him would have been if all of England knew they were dead.

@thaloblue

2 ай бұрын

Also Woodville then conspired with LMB to take Richard down. Which if LMB killed her sons or appeared to at all, obviously that wouldnt have happened.

Not gonna lie, I got about 8 minutes into this and then started playing "The Rains Of Castamere" over the rest. :) Great documentary.

He could have been a good uncle and protector of the realm and lived a long a prosperous life being the king's regent. Greed brought him and his whole family down.

@kashfiaislam9995

Жыл бұрын

Redhead ballet dancer Mackenzie Davis is the first and only living direct descendant of Prince Edmund, Earl of Ruthford. Prince Edmund, Earl of Ruthford was the younger brother of King Edward IV. Redhead ballet dancer Mackenzie Davis's older sister Katelyn's father, Neil Michael Davis did NOT father redhead ballet dancer Mackenzie Davis but Prince Edmund, Earl of Ruthford did despite being over 500 years old. 🎭🩰🎨kzread.info/dash/bejne/aGF81LOQY9jHoMo.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKCsvMONnrTIp6g.html

@theuniverseisme432

Жыл бұрын

Good point, but also imagine having a claim to the throne and risking your life to defeat scottish rebels for your brother and then having to hand over the crown to his spoiled 12 year old son… you can almost understand richards motives when trying to put yourself in his shoes

@vivianfoster702

Жыл бұрын

Not greed, but self preservation. Richard didn't want Edward and the Woodvilles to come after him and his son. He needed the power of the King to protect himself. The circumstance forced his hand.

@angelabby2379

Жыл бұрын

@@vivianfoster702 lies! came after who? they were the only one who is rightfully king, Richard is 3rd son, he was miles away from the succession

@angelabby2379

Жыл бұрын

@@theuniverseisme432 he was a scum! and clearly a man of low morality unfit to b kng

I am addicted to these videos. I enjoy learning more about British history.

@shakiramoha9682

Жыл бұрын

THE ALL BRITISH ARE BLOODY HISTORY I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY AGRY WITH POWER I REMEMBER QUEEN DAYAN REST IN PEACE QUEEN 🙏

@capcompass9298

Жыл бұрын

@@shakiramoha9682 Wot?

@femmie12

6 ай бұрын

Same. It helps that these documantaries are being brought so excellently. 😢😢those poor innocent boys tho😢😢

They found Richard 111s body under a Leicester car park, it gave a whole new meaning to long stay parking.

@capcompass9298

Жыл бұрын

I wonder what he owes in parking fees. A Royal fortune?

Thank you, that was so interesting.....what an amazing tale .

The young Prince/King Edward V was 12 years old; could they have not found an actor somewhere nearer the age of 12 and not 22?

@BettyMareeHOHCountry

Жыл бұрын

ive seen this many times in royal documentaries they do this because these documentaries has low budgets and they use drama uni students to help them out. but its very rare that they use actual kids coz it might be too young to understand the story or too much for them at a young age. and it always depends on if the parents of the actors agrees with BBC to have their child acting out such a violent story.

@novamarie2162

Жыл бұрын

OMG YES! It was so off-putting, and jarring. I had trouble following the narrative at times.

@davidlogan4329

Жыл бұрын

King Edward IV was a tall man. Many 12 years old boys are quite tall. They are not all midgets.

@Whiteman2.0

6 ай бұрын

@@davidlogan4329yes but they are closer to 5ft not 6ft, anyway, Edward V is said to be 4’ 10”

@trnigyul

3 ай бұрын

@@davidlogan4329 It aint even the height; that man looks grown with kids , a mortgage and a hairline thats fixing to abdicate the crown.

Dan Jones is easy in the eyes, and his voice is so dense and sumptuous. He does a wonderful job narrating.

@cindyreynolds4045

3 жыл бұрын

Oh God, give us a break David! Hahahaha

@dfuher968

3 жыл бұрын

Sure he looks good, until u listen to him spinning a purely fictional tale and presenting it as historical fact. That kind of dishonesty make him pretty ugly pretty quick to me. Who cares, if he has a sumptuous voice and does a wonderful job narrating, when hes lying to u?

@thaloblue

2 ай бұрын

Mrs. P! Drink some water 😂

Great video’s. Thank you.

@dfuher968

3 жыл бұрын

Great video - if u like fiction.

It is sad for Edward and his brother. They were only kids and they met their end. People who visit the place where the princes were murdered, that it's haunted because they hear voices and see ghosts of 2 boys playing.

@carmelbeatty9342

3 жыл бұрын

Olivia_ Playz2003 I have been to the Tower of London many times, including the spot where the boys were found, and I can tell you that nothing like that happens. No ghosts, or voices. Any claims other than that are obviously from people smoking a bit too much of the green stuff, or those that already hear “voices.”

@colinturner4158

3 жыл бұрын

Lord Buckingham was he slippery

I am into these documentaries😍

Legally, Richard became protector the very second Edward died. The same way a person named as executor in a will becomes executor on the death of the testator . Neither appointment required the approval of the council or a Court

"In the game of thrones, you win or you die"

The LOVE Of History Always Keeps MY ❤️ Here. - Sir Antony Rivers Was An English Hero.

Dan Jones is one of my favorite historians and the Wars of the Roses high in my favorite periods of English history. No wonder GRRM drew on it so much for his fantasy novels. While there are some inaccurate points in this documentary and it could have benefitted with other leading expert commentary, it's nonetheless intriguing. As to the mystery of the two princes, even if Richard III had nothing to do with their ultimate fate (I personally subscribe to either Buckingham or Henry VII), he was an intelligent, politically savvy and yet dangerously ambitious man nevertheless. Even if he was not the psychopathic monster from Shakespeare's play-he eventually fell as all those vying for power do. I am intrigued to know if the skeletons long reputed to be those of the princes are truly them when the DNA testing is eventually done.

What would life have been like had the 2 boys lived?🤔

@locassen

3 жыл бұрын

@@LordCarolusMagnus There is a chance that it would have played out differently. The Woodvilles, Buckingham and Rivers would have definitely sided with Edward, and that arguably would have convinced Stanley to join them instead. Not to mention that Henry's claim to the throne was much weaker than Edward's, and without the hatred against Richard present he probably would have never been able to rally enough men to his cause.

@Lina-lq7jm

3 жыл бұрын

There would have been no Tudors, that's for sure.

@theeclectic6206

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lina-lq7jm No Tudors means no Queen Elizabeth I, no defeat of the Spanish Armada, and no British Empire.

@Lina-lq7jm

3 жыл бұрын

@@theeclectic6206 Maybe instead of Elizabeth, there would have been another great queen, who knows... And Spanish Armada... I'm pretty sure that it wouldnt have even happened, so there would have been no need to defeat it.

@soniamacdonald9193

3 жыл бұрын

@@locassen please don't forget that Lord Stanley was married to Margaret Beaufort, Henry Vll's mother, who no doubt influenced his decision to withdraw his support from Richard at Bosworth.

I am so confused why would he think his brother would want him to kill his own nephews???

@gloriasteer9244

Жыл бұрын

To become King himself.

@lucieelizabethannwesson7016

Жыл бұрын

Lady Margaret Beaufort had a better reason

@catdairy367

8 ай бұрын

​@@lucieelizabethannwesson7016questions, is how???

@henryviii8808

7 ай бұрын

​@@catdairy367Because they would have caused trouble to her son Henry VII's rule

@beenaplumber8379

5 ай бұрын

@@henryviii8808 That's a *why,* not a *how.* The question of how is more important. Neither Margaret nor any of her allies had access to the princes, who were kept safely deep inside the White Tower with express command of the king that no one should have access to them but the king and his few designated loyal servants.

The tower of London was a Royal Palace as well as a prison . So no the boys were staying as aplace of safety

Love these videos

@dfuher968

3 жыл бұрын

I dont. This was my first and will be my last. I prefer my historical documentaries to be historical, not fiction.

shame the royal family won't give permission for the bones to be tested.

@friedman01

3 жыл бұрын

Why is that?

@abbypengelly1432

3 жыл бұрын

I thought they never found the bones?

@freiashworth8303

2 жыл бұрын

@@abbypengelly1432 there were 2 small skeletons found in the tower of london in the 1600s. It is widely believed that those belong to the 2 prince. Queen elizabeth won't let anyone test the skeletons, so we'll never know if those really are the remains of the 2 prince.

Wait a damn second, lol, when they start a playing a soundtrack with the narrator talking about him being “theatrical to save the crown”. Was that not Indiana Jones soundtrack playing!

Gorgeous host!

Thank you

I love this story, heard it so many times and still fascinates me :)

Why would you get a 30 year old man to play a 12 year old??? 😂

Great job 👏

I love history shoo this is awesome.

bruh ;-; srsly why do ppl kill eachother for power ;-; “For what good is it for someone to gain the world but lose their own soul”

@shannond7437

3 жыл бұрын

In the game of thrones you win or you die.

@haruluvkyut

3 жыл бұрын

@@shannond7437 But if England was a Christian country why did it not go by the bible?..

@shannond7437

3 жыл бұрын

@@haruluvkyut More people have died for religion than literally anything else in our world history, including Christianity.

@haruluvkyut

3 жыл бұрын

@@shannond7437 well..Cant fight that. But to be honest, No religion actually teaches harm. But human race somehow interpreted it to harm other people of different religions.

@mirandaschumann5261

3 жыл бұрын

Some people already lost their soul

In my defence: the woodvilles were being mean

@julijakublicka843

3 жыл бұрын

Omg you're actually here

@kingrichardiii4379

3 жыл бұрын

@@julijakublicka843 back again!!

@malindasprouse1489

3 жыл бұрын

🤭😂😂😂

@byebyegoogle9246

3 жыл бұрын

Its good to get both sides of the story 😂

@gopherfacts6915

2 жыл бұрын

This is hilarious. Underrated comment!

The subtitles are hilarious in many places! Whoever wrote this out, obviously couldn’t have checked it for errors.

That always bothered me.. great documentary.

Dan Jones is an excellent presenter! Just found out he was taught by David Starkey who, it's said, he considers his mentor. Say no more! 🙌

@lisarodriguez6790

2 жыл бұрын

He’s also written books on the Tudors.

If Richard was responsible for the boys, supposedly fond of them, and he was already crowned king by then and so in theory their threat of inheritance to him had passed, why did he not move heaven and earth to find out what happened to them

@Crispvs1

3 жыл бұрын

Edward's marriage to Elizabeth Woodville was undoubtedly bigamous and so his children were illegitimate. Added to that Edward himself was illegitimate (he was born in Calais rather more than ten months after Cicely, Duchess of York had last seen Richard, Duke of York and one of the archers of the garrison was named as his Godfather on his baptismal record, meaning he was almost certainly Edward's father, even though Richard, Duke of York acknowledged him as his own son. Therefore Edward's children were barred by both their own illegitimacy and their father's. Richard of Gloucester (who was definitely legitimate) had supported his brother Edward to the hilt, but it was the fifteenth century and realpolitik was the name of the game. Edward's first marriage to Eleanor Butler, daughter of the late John Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury, was a closely guarded secret, but Edward's own illegitimacy was far more widely rumoured. Even Edward's first marriage was beginning to be rumoured (hence Buckingham announcing it publicly, in a damage limitation exercise) and so in the febrile atmosphere of the 1480s the Royal family made the decision to go public about Edward's illegitimacy, with Cicely, Dowager Duchess of York announcing it before an audience of piers and gentry. Therefore, if anyone didn't already know that Edward's sons were illegitimate, they did then. That means they also knew that the younger Edward had no right to be king. Richard, on the other hand, was legitimate and in the absence of legitimate progeny of Edward was next in line to the throne. Hastings' involvement makes sense as he was one of the senior Yorkists and was probably aware of the legitimacy issue, and may even have been involved in the decision for the Dowager Duchess to go public about it. Hastings would have been more aware than most people of the danger of a Lancastrian revival. Henry Tudor, the son of Margaret Beaufort had fled court to France and was rumoured to be looking for soldiers and there were noticeable stirrings among several other powerful Lancastrian supporters, who were fanning rumours of the princes' illegitimacy. Hastings, like all the senior Yorkists would have known that the rumours of illegitimacy would cripple the Yorkist case if the younger Edward became king, whereas Richard was not only legitimate, but was also a proven competent pair of hands, having ruled the north of England very competently for a number of years. Whatever the legitimacy of Edward IV himself, he had been king for 22 years, so Richard could be legitimately positioned as the next in line to the throne, older brother Clarence being dead by that time, and everyone already knew that he knew what he was doing. Therefore, with the ever present threat of a Lancastrian revival, the family almost certainly decided that the princes would have to die in order to retain stability (taking one for the team, so to speak). Hastings was probably sacrificed because he knew too much. Of course, it all backfired, as the rumours of the princes' disappearance quickly overtook and outmatched the rumours of their illegitimacy and over the next year and a half Lancastrian support grew and grew. After Richard's death at Bosworth Field, Henry Tudor, who was himself a usurper, tried to make himself out to be a legitimate ruler by making out that Richard had been the usurper instead, by trying hard to blot out any trace of Edward's first marriage in 1461 and thus painting the young Edward as the legitimate king, although the rumours still circulated (Sir Thomas More, writing fifty years later, alludes to it). What we know of Eleanor's life (that is, the few details which escaped the Tudor purge of references to her) as well as the records of Edwards continuing gifts to her and to her family to keep them quiet, demonstrate that she acted entirely consistently with how a married lady would if her husband was away. There is also no other way to explain the imprisonment for life of the bishop who was said to have married Edward and Eleanor 24 years before. If it was nothing but a rumour the obvious thing would have been to get him to make a public announcement saying so, but the fact that Henry clearly feared what he might say points to it being true. There can be very little doubt that Edward had married Eleanor in secret 1461 but after she failed to provide an heir he abandoned her and found Elizabeth, who he also married in secret and only revealed when Warwick announced that he had arranged for Edward to marry a French princess. It is popular these days to cite the role of Woodvilles and their relationship with Richard as the reason for the deaths of the princes, as is done here. It is true that the Woodvilles had gathered many enemies but the realpolitik of the situation effectively demanded that the princes had to die. By the time of the arrest of the princes, even Elizabeth would have been in no doubt of their illegitimacy and the instability her son's kingship would engender. This documentary relies rather too heavily on Henry Tudor's propaganda to discredit the king he had replaced.

@nancybroertjes2292

3 жыл бұрын

@@Crispvs1 they all had many years and Elizabeth's coronation to raise any objections yet none were until Edward IV was no longer there to dispute them. There was no evidence of a marriage to Eleanor Butler. Edward IV was crowned and anointed King. Like a marriage, its speak now or forever hold your peace.

@Crispvs1

3 жыл бұрын

@@nancybroertjes2292 There certainly was evidence, but the problem is that most of the more easily found evidence was systematically sought out and destroyed by Henry VII's agents. You need to understand that for the aristocratic families of the time, and to a lesser extent the gentry, the primary focus of loyalty was the family and families protected their own, no matter what they had done. The important thing for the House of York was that in Elizabeth Edward had found a queen who could give him an heir (remember that it takes three generations to create a workable dynasty and in 1461 he was a new king by dint of nothing more than a victory in battle and had the legitimate king in custody so his throne was extremely shaky). For the House of York, it was vital that he produce an heir as quickly as possible in order to get that dynasty started. Eleanor, like Elizabeth, was a widow but unlike Elizabeth, who already had two sons and was clearly fertile, Eleanor had produced no children for Sir Thomas Butler and none for Edward, so she would have been seen as barren. The family needed an heir and so Eleanor was bought off to keep quiet (and yes - there is plenty of surviving evidence for that). Read 'Eleanor - The Secret Queen', by John Ashdown-Hill, who marshals together all the surviving evidence (and there is definitely enough to prove the case) to demonstrate that without doubt, Edward IV married Eleanor Butler in 1461.

@Ionabrodie69

3 жыл бұрын

@@nancybroertjes2292 Not then.. and a marriage contract then could be as little as a spoken promise..he had a marriage contract with Eleanor Butler and threw it aside for the Wydeville woman. He was quite rightly put aside in favour of Richard...others had just as much to gain by the princes disappearing...

@meganhart6549

3 жыл бұрын

Because he killed them.

Anybody else see a resemblance to Dave Grohl in Richard?

@markwhichard6332

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!! That’s all I see lol!!

@Babsza

3 жыл бұрын

I knew he reminded me of some one !

@xiomarahart4650

3 жыл бұрын

I thought to myself this could have easily turned into a kick ass Foo Fighters video 😂

@byebyegoogle9246

3 жыл бұрын

Haha Spot on!

@theeclectic6206

3 жыл бұрын

I see Dustin Hoffman.

This is fascinating! For one, I am a total Anglophile, but this period in England's history is especially interesting to me! Thank you very much for this eye opening video!

@HunterPeale

3 жыл бұрын

I've got the incurable disease of English History. Just in case you missed it, see "the king in the car park" , Phillipa Langley and John Ashdown-Hill absolutely nail the Richard the 3rd issue. (For one thing they found his bones) Ashdown-Hill was a magnificent historian, absolutely unparalleled. Enjoy your anglophilia!!

@HunterPeale

3 жыл бұрын

p.s., as british history videos go, that wasn't a very good one. now Lucy Worsley on the other hand.....

@sandranorman5469

3 жыл бұрын

Hunter. Peale Love Lucy Worsley.

@Crispvs1

3 жыл бұрын

This 'documentary' relies far too heavily on Henry Tudor's propaganda. We know know far more about Edward's 1461 marriage to Eleanor Butler, widowed daughter of the late Sir John Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury than we did a few years ago. The Tudors, who were usurpers, did everything they possibly could to try to discredit Richard. The whole 'descent into evil' narrative is entirely out of character with what we know of him. The fact was that Edward's marriage to Elizabeth Woodville was bigamous and therefore his children were illegitimate. Buckingham's announcement of that fact was a damage limitation exercise after rumours had already begun to circulate. With Edward himself known to have been illegitimate (Cicely, Dowager Duchess of York announced it publicly after his death and it is confirmed by his baptismal record) the decision was clearly made that the princes would have to 'take one for the team' (to use a modern expression) to maintain the stability of the Yorkist hold on the kingdom, as the fact of the 1461 marriage had already got out

@dfuher968

3 жыл бұрын

@Patricia Long, this "documentary" may be eye opening, but its pure fiction. I agree with Hunter. Peale and Crispvs1.

People are commenting about child actors but didn't they use the correct age actress to play the very young Elizabeth in this series?

@garymorgan4274

3 жыл бұрын

Bet she's wearing makeup. And beautiful.

hmmmm that explains why cersei was blaming it on tyrion....

Lol, they got a 20 something year old playing a 12 year old prince. One with a receding hairline at that.

@byebyegoogle9246

3 жыл бұрын

Too funny!

Don’t forget, this history is told to us by the tudors and William Shakespeare. Henry VII could have done this after the death of Richard, the boys could have still been alive in the Tower! Could have been a Tudor cover up? The vIctors always write history.

@michellemcgill9328

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! The victorious always write history in such a way so their perspective & actions look justifiable.

@debramoss2267

2 жыл бұрын

I believe they have recently recovered two skeletons they believe to be the Princes.

@Seds245

2 жыл бұрын

@@debramoss2267 they were discovered in 1674, the princes in the tower. Many think Richard 1 had them Murdered, but it would have been just as convenient for Henry VII not to have them living.

@LadyFel001

2 жыл бұрын

@@Seds245 There's no definite proof that the bones discovered in the 17th century were the Princes, they disinterred them a while ago and thought one set of bones was a girl, and there were animal bones in there too. They could do a DNA test now but the Queen has consistently refused permission to exhume them again.

@Seds245

2 жыл бұрын

@@LadyFel001 what you say is very true

I don't think we will ever know the truth. However, sure Richard knew he would be seen as prime suspect?

@susanmccormick6022

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing was said about the possible swapping by Elizabeth of her younger child.Truth or rumour?

@elibell19

2 жыл бұрын

@@susanmccormick6022 I always thought this was a rumor.

The two princes who were taken to the London tower and never seen again so sad I just watched a show on this the other day

Now it is possible that Edward V came to Coldridge in Devon with a change of name. There is evidence in the ancient church which has been there for all to see but was ignored.

Fascinating history...

You should turn this into a TV show because this is amazing.

@Ashley_e

Жыл бұрын

Th White Queen the tv series. So good

@daddystabz

Жыл бұрын

Game of Thrones.

All I could focus on was how hot the narrator & the actor who portrayed Richard III were lmao

@karyntownsend

3 жыл бұрын

Almost, the same here,lol. i love history, and swalloved it all But , that guy,the narrator...wauw... i should have moved back tu The UK.... Gee, but Im stuck in, Denmark... BoooHoooo.... sad, right;)

I love history. I hate that the more I learn, the more I see parallels.

This part of history inspired the Goosebumps book a night in terror tower.

That kid playing Edward as a child is in Rome'the tv series' as Octavian. Also he's 19....

@conmanreloaded4249

3 жыл бұрын

I was wondering where I recognized him from

@greyinglis7570

3 жыл бұрын

On a lighter note, his sister in the show was 10/10 attractive. No joke 💓

@Letizia2810

3 жыл бұрын

@@greyinglis7570 you talk like an old man.iac who stares at young people.

@greyinglis7570

3 жыл бұрын

@@Letizia2810 ...So like a talent show Judge? Are you trying to say i'm Simon Cowell?

@mediocremaiden8883

2 жыл бұрын

OH this is a decade old then at least

Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.

WHY are you presenting a well-researched and important story like this in your UNDERSHIRT?!?

Was the ink restored on that original copy? The ink looks so bold and perfect.

It seems to me that alot of England's problems could have been solved if people agreed to follow the dying king's will, just ike they generally agree to follow religious protection. Having said that, Richard has gone crazy. I'm not sure he's as loyal as you guys say.

@beenaplumber8379

5 ай бұрын

The people who have spoken of his loyalty were the people of his time, people who knew him or who had business with him, people who have read his correspondences with the king and others. It's not a matter of people today developing the new opinion that Richard was loyal. There's documentary evidence for that, and a great deal of it. Even his Tudor detractors wrote of it - his loyalty, his prowess as a soldier for his king, his piety, and his passion for justice for all, including the lowest classes. If even his enemies said that of him, shouldn't that mean something? That's one of many flies in the ointment of this story that he murdered his nephews, and on its own I think it's reason enough to revisit the case that he committed those murders. It makes no sense, and there's not one bit of evidence that they were even murdered, let alone by their uncle Richard. It didn't even clear his path to the throne. (There were three princes, not two, who were ahead of Richard, and one remained in Richard's care in luxury until Richard was killed. Henry VII was actually scared of this 3rd prince - Edward Plantagenet, son of George - so he imprisoned him, something Richard never did.) So why are we so married to Richard's "evil" nature and his guilt in the murder of his two nephews?

Margaret Beaufort (mother of the future king, Henry VII), and Richard III, both each had much to gain from the deaths of The Princes In The Tower. I believe, weirdly enough, despite being on opposite sides, Margaret Beaufort & Richard (future Richard III) both conspired to kill The Princes. It clears the slate for Margaret (her son, Henry VII, would have two less royals to kill, after or before Richard), and gives Richard cause to assume the throne, since his two nephews (now dead) are the only legitimate heir’s to his brother King Edward VI (now dead), which then clears Richard’s accession to the throne as Richard III.

@Crispvs1

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, they were illegitimate, thanks to Edward's happy marriage to Elizabeth Woodville being bigamous (he married Eleanor Butler, widowed daughter of the late Sir John Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury in 1461 and she was still very much alive when he married Elizabeth Woodville. It is only Tudor period propaganda which allows us to think Edward's sons were legitimate, as it gave the actual usurper, Henry Tudor the excuse to claim Richard (actually the legitimate heir to his brother Edward, due to Edward's marriage being invalid and his children therefore bastards) was a usurper. It is only this Tudor propaganda, along with the concerted effort of Henry VII to erase all evidence of Edward's first marriage, which allows us to think of Edward IV's son as Edward V. In reality he was never that and when Richard learned of the bigamous marriage (Clarence had almost certainly known but he had paid for that knowledge with his life) he acted quickly to stop his nephew being crowned, knowing full well that it would utterly discredit the Yorkist claim to the throne. In the absence of a legitimate son to follow him, Edward's legal heir was his brother Richard. Edward 'V' was never really king at all and had no true right to be. It is only Henry VII's propaganda which allows him that courtesy, and specifically for the reason of artificially legitimising Henry VII's claim, which actually rested on nothing stronger than having won a single battle. Henry VIII made sure his son Edward would be crowned as Edward VI to re-enforce the myth, but the reality was that Henry VIII's son was actually Edward V, Queen Victoria's son should actually have been Edward VI and the Duke of Windsor should have been Edward VII before he selfishly abdicated.

@marianap.h3961

3 жыл бұрын

Phillips Greogry's book the Red Queen implies this.

@psyche100

3 жыл бұрын

@@marianap.h3961 Phillipa Greogry is hated by historians for a very good reason.

@marianap.h3961

3 жыл бұрын

@@psyche100 yeah. Too many liberties

Ty, 😐 interesting article.

What brand are his jackets? They're awesome

"Now is the winter of our discontent"

They should make a series about medieval Britain. It just could be the next Game Of Thrones.

@rankoorovic7904

2 жыл бұрын

Game of Thrones is the War of the Roses just a fantasy version.

@brandonbethings

2 жыл бұрын

@@rankoorovic7904 just what I've been thinking! ^^

@mediocremaiden8883

2 жыл бұрын

But...no dragons,though..and they have made many

@nataliemoonsings

2 жыл бұрын

I think so too. So far every time they try to make one its alway historically innacuarate with made up soap opera

Watching this is making me hype for ck3 👍

Loved this. Every Richardian should watch this. Simple common sense, however, often alludes them. At least Richard got his two years later.

I love the Wars of the Roses because it's not just about history, it's deep study of human nature, psychology in fact. What makes people compelled to do what they do. The more I learn about each of them, the more I find they are equally likable and unlikable at the same time. As much as you can detest Richard iii for what he did - he lived an honorable life for 30 years, faithful to his wife, loyal to the King, good son and father. Then the last 2 years of his life, especially the 13 weeks after the King's death, he totally goes off the rails. He died a noble death, fighting as a brave warrior would. But I wondered in the end, when he could have retreated, he chose to die on the battlefield because he had nothing much to live for - his wife and son died earlier. How much was he affected by their loss and the fact he was in mourning made him even more irrational. Did he enjoy the power of being King, or did the burden of constantly being paranoid and lonely made him so miserable, he longed to check out.

@mickmeadows

Жыл бұрын

Interesting and insightful comment and not one id thought of. Thank you! And yes, I cannot honestly imagine being in his position! Crazy!

Richard III had less reason to kill his nephews than Henry Tudor future Henry VII. Richard is king. His nephew Edward is his heir Richard has less reason to kill him. Henry Tudor can't leave Edward alive if he wants to be king, and Henry Tudor wants to be king

The narrator is good!!

I wholeheartedly love this I just wish the actor they used for Edward V look a bit closer to 12.

I absoultely love these, but can you put the full name and titles underneath the people in the show..? Lord Hastings tells me nothing... Thanks!!

@brontewcat

3 жыл бұрын

Novi k There are much better historical accounts about the time like Sharon Penman’s The Sunne in Splendour or We Speak No Treason. However, like most apologists for Richard III the authors have to come up with some pretty wild theories to exonerate Richard III. After reading the Sunne in Splendour I was convinced of RIII’s innocence. Then I started reading non fiction works about the time, and now I think if the boys were murdered Richard III was responsible.

@paulw242

3 жыл бұрын

brontewcat That is nonsense that just doesn’t stack up. When Henry VII becomes king he denounces RIII for his “crimes” and lists them. There is NO mention of the princes’ deaths. Because they were still alive. Read The Daughter of Time for the best critical analysis of the period. Be in no doubt, Henry VII ordered their deaths.

@TheVeek192

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, sure, they'll get RIGHT ON THAT. Or not. Do some research. It's not that hard.

@Ionabrodie69

3 жыл бұрын

brontewcat Oh yes because Sharon penman is the World Authority on English Mediaeval History...her being American. 🙄 A good book but no more factual than Gregory’s ... if you’re going to suggest books , might it not be better to suggest FACTUAL ones by Historians that KNOW What they’re talking about. ...?

@brontewcat

3 жыл бұрын

Ballroomdiva I was not suggesting she was an authority. I was pointing out the better fictional accounts and theories fictional authors have come up with over recent times. Gregory is just one of a long line of authors who have come up with alternatives to Richard III. But Gregory is not the first one to suggest Margaret Beaufort. Most of the alternatives have come up in one way or another in non fiction accounts.

This Royal drama has some similarities with the Saudi kingdom drama now

In grade five I remember doing a detective like study of this using specifically made resources to teach about it. We had to determine who the murderer was..

Literally no one believes Richard, but Dan Jones does so it’s all good lol