Players have been stealing 10-15 yards for every single throw in for decades and refs are doing nothing about it.

@Thomas-zs5wt

3 ай бұрын

then again it is only 10-15 yards, not gonna make much of a difference

@Duddy8822

3 ай бұрын

It’s not an issue

@coconuttwee7288

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@Thomas-zs5wtof course it makes a difference 💀

@alexandrupetrea8267

3 ай бұрын

This is like saying "There are lots of fouls wrongly given in the middle third of the pitch every game. Why are people making such a fuss about a foul in the box?". It matters where it happens and what is being affected.

@martinjasper7650

3 ай бұрын

@@Duddy8822 It is, cause refs have never penalized players for it, so refs allows cheating

If Toney is allowed to move the ball, what's the point of putting the foam down? Either let him move the ball or get rid of the rule. You can't have both.

@footballfrea4k0048

3 ай бұрын

I wonder what would Ben Foster reaction would be if it was Anotny or Enzo fernandez who did it. Bunch of hypocrites sitting together and talking about football. Can't say I am surprised.

@Nas-sg3yr

3 ай бұрын

Messi did that recently it is nothing new

@willanyong

3 ай бұрын

Yes .. this is a norm for free kick

@pi_hamilton

3 ай бұрын

Foam is really for distance. He doesn't the move the ball closer just to the side. Agree with GB that if it's breaking the rules VAR should've ruled the goal out (like a keeper being off their line for a pelanty).

@jacksmithbees777

3 ай бұрын

forest wall was infront of the line

Watto's insight and first-hand knowledge of some scenarios is second to none

Trippier (who also recieved a ban for betting offences) moved the refs foam forward for a free kick against Fulham last Jan and everyone found it funny and smart, but when Toney does it hes a 'disgraceful cheat'...🙄

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, it’s not cheating just dark arts

@alexjohnson-fry3778

3 ай бұрын

did any of the guys say that?

l've never, ever thought about the impact of difference in the preparation for players from club to international, honestly such a fantastic insight.

@LilHazTV

3 ай бұрын

When did they speak about tha ?

@ne_gnehc

3 ай бұрын

​@@LilHazTV During the discussion about Salah's injury

Bring back Mystery Football Shirt 🙏🏻

Mark saying the Danny shot that was blocked by the defenders hands should be a pen, but he was crying for days about the onana handball vs man city at goodison park 😂😂

@iamsamu3lx289

3 ай бұрын

man discovers bias

TOP PODCAST AGAIN GENTS! Thank you so much for such banging content. The quiz scores are starting to hot up! BOOM!!!!!!

Great Episode from the all stars team. was screaming for Watto at the end like always. :)

Love the Goldbridge/Foster combo. Proper lads.

@eddyvideostar

3 ай бұрын

Dear Halvorpetterson: I love Foster/Football players: Proper understanding. Goldy only licks balls with his tongue!

Well played Watto! Get back on the power juice Fozzy 😂 Another cracking episode. Love the game analysis. Brilliant

Great analysis as ever guys

Can’t help but laugh at Mark’s comparison with the roasties 😂 Class 😂

Early upload it’s only 12 am for me 😂

"It's intelligent play." I don't want to hear shit the next time a player goes down in the box after minimal contact then 🤣

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

It’s smart mate, diving and all that is not cheating it’s part of the game and up to the refs to sniff it out

@MetalGearCheese14

2 ай бұрын

I just want the outrage to be consistent lol.

Love Wato getting better at the quiz, you can tell he's being practicing....in every other pub

if a player moves the foam, yellow card. Simple. Trippier & Toney have both gotten away with it in the past month, and it literally renders the point of the foam irrelevant. It shouldn't come down to this, but if refs won't enforce legal free kicks, pull your team off the pitch until the ball is placed on the correct spot.

From the Premier League website: What incidents does the VAR check? VAR will be used only for “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity. why didn't they check this one?

@Duddy8822

3 ай бұрын

I don’t think they realised

@CascadeCFC

3 ай бұрын

not like it happened 5 minutes before the goal i've seen countless times them micro analyse goals and they do realize now so they should take some form of action @@Duddy8822

THE BEST FOOTBALL SHOW OUT THERE… YOU THREE ARE GREAT…

Not sure it’s player power in the Deeney situation. Ultimately they are employees, and that issue should be handled privately between Deeney and the player. If my boss had an issue with me and just called a group wide meeting to air his views, he’d be in the wrong. Possibly a far fetched example, but you get the drift. At any rate, great pod guys

Personally, I think it should be up to the ref to check that the ball is in the correct place before the free kick is taken. Players try little things like this all the time - like with throw ins for example. It annoys me that the refs VERY often let them get away with doing that, but I don't think it's the players fault for it, they try and get an advantage any way they can. I think it's the same for this free kick. Yeah, morally, maybe Toney shouldn't move the ball, but at the end of the day, he's trying something that players always do in other parts of the game, and it should be the ref that checks before he kicks the ball.

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

I think the word ‘cheat’ gets thrown around too much. Cheating should be for match fixing etc

@harryw798

3 ай бұрын

@@Do27gg Yeah, I suppose that, by definition, he did 'cheat', but there are hundreds and hundreds of players that will do something dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage. To be honest, it would be silly for someone to NOT do that when everyone else is doing it, because then you're automatically at a DISadvantage. It's a sport, people are going to try and gain an advantage when they can, and if it's against the rules, the officials should be the ones to stop them

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

@@harryw798 you could say tactical fouls are cheating if you think Toney cheated. Just think it’s part of the game and up to the refs to notice it

@harryw798

3 ай бұрын

@@Do27gg I'm on the side of the argument where I think that Toney didn't do anything wrong - I'm just saying that by definition it could be called cheating. However, again, I also agree that I think it's up to the officials to make him put the ball back. As you say, there are LOADS of ways that the players bend the rules and try to gain an advantage.

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

@@harryw798 yeah it’s def frowned upon but at the top level with so much on the line you’d be damned if you do and damned if you don’t do a bit of the dark arts

That Ajax shirt looks slick !

Deeney on the Fozcast is going to be a banger. Need to get his side.

Yes Toney did cheat. If his name was Bruno fernandes this would all be different and everyone would be screaming at him and I’m not a United fan

@wonkeydonkeyTV

3 ай бұрын

Bruno hasn't got the brain power to do something like that

@kieranm2514

3 ай бұрын

Every player cheats every game moving the ball on set pieces

@mrc8985

3 ай бұрын

@@kieranm2514 LOL Every player? Just Toney lad. Aka THE CHEATING BETTING RAT.

@kieranm2514

3 ай бұрын

@@mrc8985 Keep crying

@dandavey5627

3 ай бұрын

True statement that

The trio back😆Watto, Mark and Ben

That thumbnail face is crazy 😂

He moved the free kick line spray. The wall can’t be closer than 10 yards but they always edge forward. Did the players in the wall cheat too?

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, ‘cheat’ gets thrown about too much

@kieranfoster2734

3 ай бұрын

Every player does it on throw ins as well is that cheating also?

Yeah Ivan Toney is a cheater, Matt Turner deserves more respect and VAR is a good thing when used properly. Life might not be fair but professional sports should be.

Nice tee Ben! Greetings from Holland

People need to grow up, it’s not cheating. Cheating is serious and should only be used for match fixing etc.

@tomj819

3 ай бұрын

No, cheating is breaking the rules to gain an advantage. The rules state you take the kick from where the ref says.

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

@@tomj819 so tactical fouls is cheating according to you?

@tomj819

3 ай бұрын

@@Do27gg Yes. That's why it's a foul ffs. You broke a rule. The "tactical" part means you did it on purpose, which is why you get carded for it. Are you dense?

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

@@tomj819 so you’re basically saying that all players are cheats. What’s the point of using that word then?

@tomj819

3 ай бұрын

@@Do27gg what's the point of rules then?

The absolute stink there would be if Bruno Fernandes did what Toney did for that free kick. Don't think people would be saying "fair play" to him...

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

Bruno was praised a few months ago for going down in the box, wtf u on about 😂

@dondamon4669

3 ай бұрын

Because it's Manchester United and the media can't stop talking about us and hate and hate the fact they only have jobs because of Manchester United

This is my favourite show on KZread!

@eddyvideostar

3 ай бұрын

Nishant: Great goalkeeper perspective.

Watchng the replay, it's fairly obvious that Toney and the number 8 acted in collusion to distract the ref while Toney moved the foam and ball.

Thanks Markprat Benprat and Wattoprat x

Start posting some cycling vlogs again, can’t remember last time you uploaded a cycling video on the cycling gk channel

Love you 3 together ❤🔥

Already watched on spotify, but ill give it another for you lads 😂

Nah nothing wrong with it.. no different to the wall shuffling forward after the refs counted 10 yards back.. happens every time

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, people calling this cheating have to call tactical fouls cheating then every player is a cheat

@eddyvideostar

3 ай бұрын

Hello eddie.

@gregallen1160

3 ай бұрын

@@Do27ggyes they are doesn’t make it right does it? They referees and authorities have bought this on themselves

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

@@gregallen1160 not cheating tho is it 😂

Hearing that opening jingle always makes me smile, love the show lads please never change❤

united set piece coach is that young lad whos always talking to eric

Bring back the mystery shirt !!

When Watto wins, we celebrate 🎉

Surely tffi leaderboard should be Watto + others? He's only there half of the time, give him a chance

Come on Watto you legend!!!!! Only 2 more wins for joint first!! TFFI Forever!!!

Toney's a cheat, end of story. Most reasonable people would want VAR to intervene, move the ball back, and caution the player. If the ref has drawn a line, it has to be respected. They only do this for direct free kicks outside the box, so I don't think they should be doing this for the players buying a yard in their own half.

@kieranm2514

3 ай бұрын

Every player does it

@24KWills

3 ай бұрын

@@kieranm2514Don’t think every player moves the foam to deceive the ref

@kieranm2514

3 ай бұрын

@@24KWills Yes they do😂

@thecremeegg

3 ай бұрын

@@kieranm2514 No, they don't. Go find another example in the Premier League and post it here please.

@dhlehrenlos

3 ай бұрын

@@kieranm2514 don't care, if it leads to a goal it should be checked and pulled back. Just as when the ball is still rolling from quickly taken free kick. It's a breach of the rules and the job of VAR to check for it. Alternativly we can just bin it completely.

Did we poach him or did he jump ship before city have to face those 115 charges let's hope we don't start racking up ffp charges at united now

Love this channel but even more so, I love Mark on here. Such a great guy (yous all are) but just great to see him discussing football with others. Quite funny as well actually.

@eddyvideostar

3 ай бұрын

Dear Invisibleman 3920: I like listening to those "who've played the game" -- like Ben -- to the highest level. Mark licks balls with his tongue.

Toney moved the foam to make a wider line?

Great to have Watto back!!!

Nervousbridge isn’t talking like a pro GK anymore I see😂

that Ajax shirt is lit!

Wouldnt really call him "clever" for doing it as it is something anyone of any intelligence would think to do it however i dont have a problem with it at all as its the referees and forest who are the ones being not switched on enough to noticd it. Its like playing monopoly and you land on someones property but dont mention it and they dont realise so you go without paying them. The game is the game and if you dont like it then you should be more switched on

Everyones going on about Toney moving the ball, no one has mentioned that the wall had shuffled past their foam line aswell.

@jacksmithbees777

3 ай бұрын

that would be commopn sense in the soccer world where football fans are happily killing the game

Why is the toney free kick such a big deal 🤦🏾‍♂️ players do this every game

Welcome back Watto great win today on the quiz. Great show as always with great observations!

My favourite trio ❤ yes Watto 🙌🏻

Deeney getting sacked was coming after what he said to the players

@eddyvideostar

3 ай бұрын

Ethan: Deeny is new to the management game. However, he is old enough to control his emotions and employ common sense basic communication skills.

@Ethanjames090

3 ай бұрын

@@eddyvideostar completely get you mate he is new and he should of known his actions was bad tho

Ben White has been doing this to goalkeepers for ages now. It's his role in every corner: stand your ground in front of the keeper. About 10% of the time it's given as a foul (if there's somewhat of a shove), but in most cases, when it leads to a goal, there's been absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's most certainly not a new development.

I’m so glad they shut mark up about the Ben white thing. He was talking nonsense about it being a foul.

I gotta say that Conor Bradley at liverpool is THE bollocks . I’m a united fan but I got to see him play against my local exeter last season , you could tell he was a step above , I think he actually scored agaisnt us home and away too. Quality player.

Mourinho did okay for Roma. He won them their first international trophies

Managers won’t walk out the front door at the end of their careers now because getting sacked is a nice nest egg for them to ride off into the sunset

I love how no one is mentioning the fact that the free kick is on the very edge of the box and the wall is in line with the penalty spot so the distance is 6m at best and the wall must be at least 9.15m away...

@Sianistic

3 ай бұрын

In fact, a screendump that have made the run around the 'net, from Gump'ites, 'clearly proving the cheating', equally clearly shows that the whole wall is at least a full foot ahead of the line drawn for them

Mourinho is too defensive a manager to manage this attacking talent, surely? I love the guy, but our ability right now lies in going forward.

"Intelligent play"....no, it was cheating. They're saying that it's ok because he didn't get caught, does that apply for an elbow to the face as well?

@spacedoge6540

3 ай бұрын

How are they even comparable?

@jameswright21

3 ай бұрын

How about diving? We like that... right?

I think toney cheated but the defenders and gk also should've noticed what happened

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

It’s not cheating tbh just morally wrong

Love it ❤

I think the most disturbing thing is that VAR decided it was ok what Toney did. They have been picking on the minutest of details to cancel goals and yet they did not find this to be in the wrong?

@mickbanner

3 ай бұрын

Disturbing is it? Haha. Its a foot difference. Just like throw-in positions...it's up to defenders to appeal. There should be no VAR involved unless the balls rolling

Toney cheated, and you are all justifying it.

@kieranm2514

3 ай бұрын

Because every player does it

@SW-by9ob

3 ай бұрын

@@kieranm2514 So what? Still needs to be called out for what it is.

I reckon José will be next Newcastle manger

the complaining is utterly ridiculous about moving the ball. this is not a penalty players are allowed to place the ball down and reposition the point of the foam is to help gauge distance. The defenders should have readjusted they saw the ball move and left the gap its on them.

every player cheats, but the modern game is such that these actions are now unlawful when they are consequential actions where VAR is available and no excuses with multiple camera angles capturing clear evidence. Imagine Toney doing this on the penalty spot when taking a penalty and the ref fails to spot it. Should it be disallowed? Absolutely, that's wat VAR is there for!

areola was bleeding on his lip mcburnie didn't get hurt

Ivan Toney was lorded as if he overcame a deadly disease when in reality he was done for betting, which shouldn’t be lorded the way it was. First thing he does when he is back, he cheats. Disgraceful player, the fact he also got man of the match is tragic. You’d think he saved a kid from a burning building.

@eye_straindigital

3 ай бұрын

Agreed! Well said.

@Documentts

3 ай бұрын

That’s ironic

Forest can’t defend for love nor money but why are people condoning cheating? Surely top professionals in any profession should be setting the example to not cheat!? Just because it’s football it’s ok to cheat live in front of tens of thousands of spectators plus however many are paying to watch it on tv somehow makes it acceptable? If moving the ball sideways is ok then just draw 2 parallel lines not the semi circle for the ball.

Goalkeepers are one of the least protected players in the game(with penalty rulea and protection) if I'm being honest. Coming from an Arsenal they did what we've been doing to GK's the lasy two seasons I would be livid. When we were younger in MX playing as a GK meant being in the small area you were protected from players being cheeky. Not anymore it seems.

watto is an absolute star isn't he.

Toney should've been caught and carded. I'd be pissed if a player at my club did that. If you have to cheat to score, you don't deserve to win.

Toney the guy banned for 232 breaches of FA betting rules cheated? No, never?!?!

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

Grow up it’s not cheating

@miken56

3 ай бұрын

@@Do27gg wrong. It’s against the laws of the game despite what you may think therefore it is cheating. The law doesn’t care about your emotions..

@Do27gg

3 ай бұрын

@@miken56 so tactical fouls is cheating according to you? Are all players cheats then?

Just because the officials didn't see it and just because every other player on the planet in the history of football has done it, does not mean it is not cheating. Why does the referee mark the position of the ball and the wall if it doesn't really matter?

second question didn't make any sense....should had said former premier league team!

Cheat is a strong word. Its gamesmanship. He did it and he got away with it. Its like a throw in, take a few extra steps. Get on with it, stop scrutinising every single little thing ffs. The ref and the forest players werent paying attention, tough luck.

You can’t have a go a VAR for a ball being moved when that is not what VAR is for. Just the same as if a throw in is given to the wrong team, it isn’t in their remit! It’s the on-field refs job, can’t keep relinquishing responsibility from them

Goldbridge is just gold love ‘em 😂😂😂

yea i think if var took back that goal it would open up a whole new can of worms

Mate, Trafford was getting nowhere near the ball and decided to run into Eli and make a meal of it🤣🤣 why don’t you show me the exact moment where he looks back at Trafford

@NoFrictionZone

3 ай бұрын

1000% he wasn't getting to that ball.

@kieranfoster2734

3 ай бұрын

I hate this thing that if a keeper has contact whilst going for the ball it’s a foul cos he has no control, what’s the difference to that and when a player goes for a header… goalkeepers are too protected now

When Ivan’s got his weekly wage on him scoring a goal he’ll do anything to score it

say what you want about Toney...... but the fact that he just came back after such long ban for gambling and his FIRST game he does something like this :D:D:D COMEDY GOLD :D:D

Sorry, but if that's not cheating then what the hell is? The foam is down to show explicitly where the ball must be when the free kick is taken. He not only moves it but tries to hide that but moving the foam....Because it's cheating! If it's not cheating... Then how far is? Moving it from the half way line to the edge of the box? Why not? Lot's of people unfortunately drink drive as well- it doesn't mean it should be tolerated.

Bens been on the just for men

I love how competitive Ben is and that he’s such a sore loser 😂

Am I going crazy or do they never talk about Brighton

COYS! we have no right to beat City considering its 2nd half of the season and we have no Son, Bissouma nad Sarr. Considering they got KDB and Haaland back its bad luck for us. But we believe we can knock the cheaters out!

Sad state of affairs that cheating has been and is being normalised as ‘gaining an edge’

I don’t get the love in for toney like he came back from a injury he lyrically got banned for cheating.As a result brentford are really struggling

oshimehn has had 1 good season, hes been awful again this season

Get in Watto! Lol

People goin too far over that goal

Toney made a clear attempt to bend the rules and he gained an advantage from it. That is cheating. It is common, but that doesn't mean that it isn't wrong. However, you have to question the referee as well as the Forest players. It is the referees job to enforce the rules, and the Forest players either weren't attentive to Toney's manoeuvre or clocked it, and didn't bring it to the refs attention/ adjust their wall. Also, on the topic of VAR, I don't think the rules as is allow VAR to intervene in such a situation - it is down to the referees on the field to sort it out(which is a ridiculous thing, tbh).

So cool 😎