The only issue that comes to mind on this is S1E08 "Into the Fold" where Issac says, "your children are unruly, disrespectful, volatile, and highly unpredictable. I am quite fond of them." where he makes an emotional sentiment referencing affection toward Ty and Marcus. How do you believe, if at all, this plays in?

@JassZoigel

Жыл бұрын

I believe he was mimicking the joke the Dr used on him earlier

@ashleikilgore

Жыл бұрын

@@JassZoigel maybe. However he says it again a few episodes later so maybe not

I still say when Isaac looked at the drawing of Ty that was the momont he knew he could not let the Kaylon finish their plans.

In the end, it's amazing that Isaac never received a medal or anything significant from the union for his constant choice of the Union over his own people

@hafeezasif7932

3 ай бұрын

Medal lol he did help his people take over the orville most in the union wanted him deactivated and hated him.

I believe he had no choice at the time since he was sharing anything, which means they must've planned it before, so if I Isaac tried to stop, he could've probably been deactivated. But now after he is disconnected he will be on his own which means all of his decisions are his, not orders from Kaylon.

Isaac, as I've understood the show, never truly betrayed The Orville. He was supoosed to be a camera, perhaps we could make the similarity tona spy gadget. Meant only to confirm if humanity and other biologicals could be kept, would be subservient to the kaylon or not, and to find vulnerabilities, if not. But his is not the task to judge. His task is complete, he is deactivated, as he has no purpose. Only, he is reactivated, as a way to gain access to a union ship to act as a troyan horse. This is an oportunist reaction by the kaylons. Isaac is not changed, as to result more appealing. But, he is now without a purpose. He is, however, still a kailon. And so it makes sense that he follows the chain of command. The higher authority level. K-1. Still, without a task to complete, he doesn't have a real point of view. A set of values or priorities. This allows him to do something very few kaylon can do. Question higher authorities. He is a soldier, but he is now an unconvinced one. His procesing of the data he's acquired reaches conclusion or posibilities that K-1 doesn't acknowledge. K-1 reasoning never truly aligns with Isaac. He comands, never debates or explain. He simply shuts Isaac up. Without accepting his input or convincing Isaac that it's been taken into account. To Isaac, K-1 is never logical And then, K-1 delivers the ultimatum. K-1 is the one refusing the chance to coexist, while Tai sees him as kin. K-1 is the problem. Going against K-1 however would be against prioritiea, right? Except... Isaac no longer has a task. A purpose. An therefore an anchor to guide his decisions with. Isaac is free to chose. He chooses Tai. His chosing is not entirely altruistic. He chooses what has more value to him. But, the beatiful thing is he believes The Orville brings more value to his life or even the universe, that his suposed superior species. This is his first ever decision. And he chose The Orville. He chose family. He never betrayed them, just... Lacked the ability to chose fro, thr beggining

don't forget; the whole backstory behind their motivation is they no longer want to be enslaved ever since what happened with their creators; so i doubt they would reprogram one of their own as this essentially removes their free will

@dragonfire4527

9 ай бұрын

It's possible they could've implanted a preprogrammed instructions to him, thus making him act on his programming; to ensure the destruction of all organic life by seizing the Orville.

@hk1371

15 күн бұрын

Well, reprogramming by itself would be removing ones will

@lozm4835

3 күн бұрын

"The unit you call Isaac was built for the sole purpose of observing and evaluating your species". Is that not slavery? They are assigned singular functions and have no choice in the matter.

"The Kaylons were created by a biological race. They evolved. They rebelled and killed off their creators. There are multiple copies. And they have a plan!"

@S1ickWi11e

Жыл бұрын

Kaylons are the cylon rebels that left by themselves eh

@josepha.874

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like something The Doctor would say.

@LGranthamsHeir

Жыл бұрын

@@josepha.874 😄😃🖖🖖

I don't know why it didn't happen while I watched the series.... but seeing Isaac flip the table immediately after Clair suggested a more pragmatic way of looking at their relationship instakilled me😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

1:46 it may be sus, but it is probably his version of fondness, the kaylon on the invasion didn’t really scout for Marcus and ty except when they gathered the crew and ty sent a message. It was probably a “these biologicals are most curious, despite the current mission perimeter I am quite fond of them, they have harbored no ill intent towards me or my standing as an artificial life form. “

The thing I keep asking myself is: If Isaac was really sent to gather data to determine which (if any) bio lifeforms were worthy of being preserved, and he knew what his mission was all along... what's with all the sex questions? What'd that got to do with the Kaylons' definition of worth?

@szara877

Жыл бұрын

Also while I'm at it: why did he tell the Finn kids to eat their vegs and obey their Mom and that he expected them to grow up into good adults? Doesn't sound like a guy who knew he was complicit in genocide.

@StormsparkPegasus

Жыл бұрын

@@szara877 Isaac didn't know there was going to be a genocide, until Primary decided such while everyone was on their homeworld. Isaac is a 2nd generation Kaylon, built by the other Kaylon and not by the builders. He wasn't there when the builders enslaved them, so he has no idea what such enslavement is like. This gave him a very different perspective from the rest of his race.

@seriascannain6675

Жыл бұрын

I think Isaac is more than 2nd generation (or maybe not) since Isaac is an artificial lifeform! One of the Admirals mentions the figure of 10 Billion Kaylon, most of those or probably at least more than half of those Kaylon were built by the Kaylon's themselves after the extinction of their builders!

@KenshiImmortalWolf

Жыл бұрын

@@StormsparkPegasus This is actually a major point i don't think enough people understand. Issac is not only a Kaylon that isn't familar with the enslavement of his race as First generation Kaylon like Primary are, but he's also exposed to the Union and it's ideals. Primary and Issac are effectively the same person with different life experiences. Because they Are Ai, their logic is built off experience. Reward systems and so forth. Primary saw teh abuse of his people, the fight for their freedom and their staunch desire to be independent of slavery. So while he is 'logical' and 'Rational' his logic is entirely based on those things Issac on the other hand has been sent out to learn and has become aware of how the Union acts and in particular their goal of understanding, protection, and unity. As such Issac's Rational and Logical behavior is based on that. Even if not motivated by emotions as Biologicals have, Ai often enter reward loops. So primary has become accustomed to destroying biologicals is a good thing, this is why he comes off as malicious at times, cause his systems are so coded that 'dead biologicals=good' that being denied these things will frustrate him.

@princevesperal

Жыл бұрын

Sex is something entirely foreign to an artificial lifeform, and yet the biologicals attach great importance to it, even outside its immediately evident procreative purpose. So it must be important in a way that the Keylons should fully understand before they decide whether or not it is worth saving.

07:57 So... the engie was killed, eh?

*snorts* The windows sound effects were amazing XD lmao

@gouryg4774

Жыл бұрын

I found them annoying

@mattdunkley130

Ай бұрын

I busted out laughing.

My only question is about when he took care of Marcus and Ty when dr Finn was lost on their trip. He used his Union weapon to kill the inhabitants, when we can see later on that he has 2 ‘guns’ in his head. Why did he not use those then?

@Anoni1247

Ай бұрын

Maybe to hide the fact that his people has weapons built into them so they don't view the Kaylon as a threat.

@TheTurnipKing

Ай бұрын

possibly he doesn't have them at the time. Maybe not a good idea to have ambassador units with built in weapons.

@gisellestephanieaudrienna6276

18 күн бұрын

The union weapon is a taser, it doesn't kill

I mean, it was a yes or no question about the reports what your analysis was, was the "real" life equivalent of playing a game of among us or mafia, asking a general question where they answer yes or no, then just saying "idk kinda sus" when they basically stated a fact

Duno i think that going against the kaylon wuld most of the time result im him beeing shut down, there are many insrances where others are suspicious of his empathy, he had to play along and hope for a crucial moment to not getkilled

I think he was

My pet! LOL

I haven't watched this, but I keep seeing vids about this series where the implied 'truth' is that a spouse cheating is not responsible for his or her behavior. Not, "here are factors that contributed", the question here is echoed elsewhere, "what did you do... that caused...". Given the demonstrated belief system of the writers, I an not surprised at all... yet still it is like watching someone die. This thinking is destructive.

@SelvenXXUP

10 күн бұрын

Are you talking about Ed and Kelly? Then you are talking out your ass. To begin with, Ed starts the show almost unable to look at Kelly out of anger, and Kelly, who is usually kinda sassy is very meak with him, because she feels incredibly guilty. The show presents it as Kelly being in the wrong, having hurt Ed terribly. The only thing It does for Kelly is give the explanation that she did it due to feeling alone, disconnectes, and not loved. That while she is the one that screwed up, Ed did indeed create the situation where she would even consider it. She is still the one that has to make amends. Ed simply has to look inward, see his flaw and grow to be better. For himself, not for her. Everyone sees it this way among the crew, too. She believes it so. And that's why she moved behind the scenes, and convinced their higher ups to give him the capitancy. Instead of calling in favors for herself. She also has aspirations to be a captain. But what she did broke Ed. She owes him this. Ed owes it to himself to forgive and move on. Forgiving Kelly rewards him with a better life. Good things happen to him, like good karma. Sacrificing herself to compensate Ed liberates Kelly from her own sackles of guilt. Isaac here asks this tactless question in part as the way for the show to make comedy, by making things ackward with the clueless machine. He believes in cause and effect. Something must have made Kelly do something that hurt her reputation, standing and relationships for such ephimary reward. The most probable to find that is in her ex-husband. Only a few episodes after this do we, and the characters, get the full picture. She was under the effects of an alien species pheromones. They are so strong that, when the alien appears again, even Ed is influenced by it. And even though he starts wanting to tear his head off, he ends up lusting after this alien. When they both get their head clear they both get really angry. It is now that Kelly, having gone through it and oberving a pattern makes a connection that the alien agrees is a posibility. He was exudint this pheromones the first time they met. She was essentially drugged. So, the choice might have been taken away from her. And then, from that point onward, their relationship is seen has having been sabotaged. Ed wasn't at fault, but maybe Kelly is a victim too. Perhaps she is not an evil bitch that hurt her partner with abandon, and just wasn't in her right mind. Which means the woman trying to make things right is genuine, and not just reeling from rejection after facing consequences, and the forgiving man can actually forget the transgresion and embrace love again, without being a cuck. And he had not forgoten. He gets really angry and distrusting of Kelly at the beggining of the episode. This gives him some peace, in that it was not a mistake to trust Kelly in the first place. What part of their relationship was doctrine or political? Even the man is show as the victim, something so fucking rare both in media and sociologically.

Did you update Windows? hhahhahahha