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@robainscough

Жыл бұрын

Boeing is a horrible company, they out sourced engineers that resulted in the MAX TCAS issues killing hundreds, they tried to bribe the FAA, they promoted an incompetent executive management with huge bonuses, and they looked at Trump for help ... yes, they thought someone who is a Traitor to the US with failed business dealings in just about everything (aka Trump) would help them. Boeing is not the company it used to be prior to 2000. They used Trump tax breaks to increase their funding of out sourced engineers/work and did NOT hire within the US for fully qualified engineers.

@aztec0112

Жыл бұрын

Boeing: "Well, let's just shoot our other foot!" Public: "Umm, you're running out of feet."

Bombardier actually had a negative public reception in Canada before the Boeing complaint. Aside from the delays in the CSeries, they were way behind schedule on some transit projects, to the point where future ones were not awarded to them. However, the public opinion changed after the Boeing complaint because it felt like another big American company trying to kill another Canadian company.

@Dominik-K

Жыл бұрын

That's very interesting to know, thanks for sharing

@kuyag68

Жыл бұрын

Yes. The Canadian government bailed out Bombardier with public money a few times and the Canadian public was getting tired of it due to mismanagement of the company. We Canadians have a love-hate relationship with our southern neighbour. We take it personally when the US tries to bully us. The Airbus deal was the logical conclusion.

@wrightmf

Жыл бұрын

"another big American company trying to kill another Canadian company." I guess a number of Canadians still remembering Avro and what it could have become.

@Mpugs

Жыл бұрын

Remember when they made crjs

@chomp54321

Жыл бұрын

@UCm9vFiyoGGrX67M8-vWuDng The decision for government to whether prop up a failing entity is entirely political. Let's say Amazon is floundering, I'm pretty sure the government will hand over truckloads of money to save it because it is easier than to face the wrath of the voters on all the job loses. That was the case with Bombardier. If your financial ruin has enough political or economic impact, I'll bet the government will come to save you too.

The more I learn about modern Boeing the more I realize their biggest enemy is Boeing themselves. It's really shocking how poor decision making crippled the company seemingly at every chance. I hope the company can return to its former glory in the near future.

@heidirabenau511

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree, well said!

@---l---

Жыл бұрын

Hope you too. It used to be an engineering company.

@ax.f-1256

Жыл бұрын

Agree with you. But to achieve that that would need to get back to their former Boeing mentality and throw the McDonnell Douglas Spirit finally out of the window. But since they decided to move their HQ to Arlington, Virginia (just to lobby even more in Washington, D.C ) instead of developing great airplanes, that won't happen. They are doing the exact same mistake again by not developing the NMA aka 797 or 757 replacement. According to Boeing it would be 'just a niche of a niche of a niche of a market' and not worth the money of developing it. Well, Airbus didn't think so and redeveloped the A21 into the A321XLR. According to Boeing a Niche of a niche of a niche airplane. Well, Airbus already recieved 450 orders for that 'niche' aircraft. Congratulations Boeing, you were wrong as usual. It's unbelievable how a company can make so many blunders one after another. But knowing that it's not Boeing anymore but McDonnell Douglas with Boeing's name, it's exactly what you would expect from them. MDD did the exact same thing in the past. Milking the old DC-9 and DC-10 designs until it was so outdated that nobody bought any planes from them anymore and not investing in any new designs. So there you have your answer.

@MrGoesBoom

Жыл бұрын

Not as long as the folks formerly from McDonnell Douglas are calling the shots. Too bad, Boeing used to be a legend

@heidirabenau511

Жыл бұрын

@@MrGoesBoom Boeing is MD with a different name

It is ironic that the A220 has a higher US sourced content than the B787 does.

@Mentaculus42

Жыл бұрын

Only partially ironic as that is by purposeful design on Boeing’s part to sell the 787 in export markets. If the “797” had happened similar issues for export sales would have happened. With the Airbus takeover that nicely removed that content issue by redistributing some of the parts chain.

@brylozketrzyn

Жыл бұрын

It is kinda funny, because yesterday I was reading comments on CNC machinist channel about large military contractor in US moving its supply chain to China and small public contractors being essentially forced to go find customers on EU market

@Mentaculus42

Жыл бұрын

@@brylozketrzyn Anything to enhance shareholder equity. It reminds me of when Obama asked Steve Jobs why we can’t make things in US and Jobs responded with “THOSE JOBS ARE GONE FOREVER”! Upshot, Apple is richest company in the world and young people in the US see no economic advantage to becoming CNC operators, no less a “tool and die maker”!

@brylozketrzyn

Жыл бұрын

@@Mentaculus42 and then we end up with US and European designs in iranian drones.

@Mentaculus42

Жыл бұрын

@@brylozketrzyn Yes, but the Chinese got the information and designs first, and some of that was with Airbus establishing production of their aircraft in CHINA. Nothing like going out of your way to teach your future enemy and finance their technological development!

Boeing's entire concept was to bring about the death of the c series. The airbus a220 is one of the most beautiful and highly capable performance orientated aircraft. There is way more potential in the aircraft than meets the eye. Anyone having the opportunity to fly this aircraft will immediately fall in love with all of its dynamics

@alanpercival7272

Жыл бұрын

Bombardier costs Canada more than it is worth it is a massive drain on Canadian taxpayers for as long as I've lived here.

@patrice5976

5 ай бұрын

The Canadian deep state killed Bombardier because they came up with the best plane platform on earth. And the narrative is that Quebec is an uneducated backwater and can’t put a foot in front of the other without big brother Canada holding its hand. They couldn’t not allow this marvellous program to flourish as it skews their political agenda…

@DrErikEvrard

4 ай бұрын

I have been flying the A220 with Swiss in 2020 (just before the pandemic), from London City Airport (with a fairly short runway) to Zurich, and it was fabulous. Since then I've been actively seeking flights with that aircraft, and every time it has been quite an experience.

737 used to be my favorite aircraft but I was blown away by how comfortable the A220-200 was. The Glass Cockpit and Cockpit Ergonomics would have to be a pilots dream come true.

@corystansbury

Жыл бұрын

It's absolutely beautiful. I consider it the 787 of the small aircraft market.

@fumie4996

Жыл бұрын

@@corystansbury 787 isn't that good

@frglee

Жыл бұрын

I remember watching an airBaltic delivery flight from Mirabel KZread video a year or so back. The airBaltic pilots in the video seemed thrilled to bits with the plane.

@benjicool2808

Жыл бұрын

I took an A350 and the 787, in the A350 it felt like 2050, the 787 was very good. Nothing beats the A380 in terms of comfort but that will soon be a nostalgic thing

@undytermined

Жыл бұрын

Only complaint I have about the a220 is the autopilot disconnect sound. It is the most jarring warning I've ever heard

What isn't mentioned in the video is that at the time of the Bombardier sale to Delta, the Canadian government has decided to accept the political heat and not go to an open competition to replace the RCAF fighter jets. Instead, the government was willing to sole source Boeing F-18 Super Hornets. Canadian government officials were in Washington to finalize the billion dollar deal when news of the Boeing trade action against Bombardier broke. Causing the Canadians to walk away from the negotiations. Apparently, the Boeing negotiators on the military side had been given no warning that the commercial side was going to take this action against the Canadian government. Also, one of the very expensive delays for Bombardier while developing the jet was the failure of the American based engine manufacturer to deliver a reliable engine in the time frame contracted. The result being that the program had to sit and burn through cash while waiting for the promised engines.

@abarratt8869

Жыл бұрын

Talk about lack of internal communication within Boeing. They really did mess things up! P&W did indeed take their time getting the GTF right, and Airbus had some initial issues with the variant for the A320 too. Some of the problems appeared to be close to "school boy" errors - e.g. differential cooling / heating of parts of the engine causing problems at start up after a short turnaround (the differential temperatures caused the engine shape / clearances / fit to be out of wack, until all of it had all cooled down). It was these kinds of issues that were well known about by previous generations of design engineers, but (the company having not designed an engine for a very long time) had been forgotten about by a new generation. It was a problem well understood even by designers of steam turbines (so it's, what, >100 year old knowledge?) Constant development, regardless of actual economic need, is the only way of keeping team knowledge together and becoming reliable in delivery. But in the end, P&W's GTF has come good. It's kind of a miracle that the C Series got certified and into service, and a good thing too - it's a very good design!

@kstricl

Жыл бұрын

I don't vote Liberal, but I fully respect chrystia freeland. Strong backbone on that one.

@chanman819

Жыл бұрын

Not only that, but initially, the F-35 was not politically favourable for the Liberal government, as one of their campaign promises had been to cancel the previous Conservative government's sole-source F-35 contract and hold a fly-off instead. The fly-off never happened and Eurofighter and Dassault both pulled out of the competition. The industrial offsets were reportedly one sticking point, but the big one was a non-negotiable degree of technology transfer, including of proprietary systems, to both Canada and the US due to NORAD. That meant that realistically it was Super Hornet vs. F-35 and F-35 had the stigma of being the project cancelled by the government. Of course, thanks to Boeing's bone-headed decisions, F-35 was back on the table, and Super Hornet was off... leading right back to a sole-source contract for Lockheed!

@lucasfragoso7634

Жыл бұрын

@@chanman819 hey don't forget the Gripian also stayed around! Seriously tho the F35 was always the better option and shocker after a certain conflict in eastern Europe now everyone wants F35s.

@TheEDFLegacy

Жыл бұрын

Wow! I didn't know this! Although I followed this very closely, I was _not_ aware of the FA-18 deal they were working on. I do love how Bombardier made a huge F-U to Boeing by practically giving the plane away to Airbus.

Boeing had a slam dunk in selling Canada the Super Hornet - it was a natural evolution from the CF-18 hornets we currently operate, and we had already decided not to get the F-35. Leave it to Boeing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

@mwat22

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha 😂 mate, only Boeing can do that 🤣

@shrimpflea

Жыл бұрын

Canada may regret the F-35 though. It is a maintenance nightmare.

@guspaz

Жыл бұрын

@@shrimpflea The F-35A actually requires significantly less maintenance (as far as cost per flight hour is concerned) than our existing CF-18 Hornets, due to their age. They're all 35-40 year old airframes.

@uhadonejob

Жыл бұрын

I was a big proponent of getting the Super Hornet. Now I won't even book a flight on a Boeing aircraft. I expect more catastrophic decisions from Boeing in the future - 787 will bring them down.

@destroyedsoul1791

Жыл бұрын

I saw a news recently that canada is going to procure 88 f-35s.

Having followed Boeing's unsubtle attempt to strangle the C series, which looked quite possible at one point, I nearly wet myself laughing when Airbus announced its deal with Bombardier. To me, it was yet another sign that the juggernaut that Boeing had become was so fat and complacent that it was incapable of conceiving the risk.

@kijana2030

Жыл бұрын

Was any Boeing executive fired?

@verocimil

Жыл бұрын

@@kijana2030 Or, more preciselly, was any McDonell Douglas executive that took over the destiny of Boeing, fired? This should have happened long ago or the control over Boeing never taken place at first hand.

@tee2567

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, might be the same sort of thinking that made the 737-Max such a roaring PR success for the company!

@khanchy

Жыл бұрын

Capitalist corporate bureaucracy.

@wolframzirngibl1147

5 ай бұрын

Fully agreed. There must be some problem with Boeing's top Management. Words like dignity and humility come to mind, with both missing.

The goal seems to have been killing the C Series program to eliminate any possible threat to the cash cow 737. The idea of Airbus swooping in and “saving” the C Series was probably never considered to be a realistic option, given the high unit costs of the airplane and the heavily North American supply chain. As a result, the potential for providing a new design paradigm which could have provided a comfortable pathway forward from the 737 (as you pointed out) was lost. Airbus managed to benefit from Boeing’s hubris. There’s a lot of that going around lately…. =/

Performing maintenance on the A220 is so different. I love the aircraft. Troubleshooting is very easy.

As a Boeing stock owner and receiving a Boeing pension, I totally agree with your thoughts on the subject. It is outrageous the stupid decisions made there. I sincerely hope that the Boeing people responsible for this debacle no longer working there and fired. I can imagine the outrage of Canada, our best neighbor to the north and remembering this kick in the teeth to them, and many others.

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

Dennis Muilenburg left obviously a really difficult heritage behind him. Probably he was the worst CEO in the history of Boeing.

@yummysatay

Жыл бұрын

@@NicolaW72 with $60M at least.

@michaelrmurphy2734

Жыл бұрын

@@yummysatay Sixty million dollar golden handshake?!!

@micco6020

Жыл бұрын

J Cos I am not a financial advisor, but find one and diversify

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelrmurphy2734 Yes.

Sounds like Boeing has severely underestimated their competition. They thought of themselves as the big man on campus with no competition from the underdogs. Well, the underdogs are proving themselves.

@heidirabenau511

Жыл бұрын

Boeing has gone from a formidable competitor, where it was almost impossible to compete with Boeing and companies who have tried to compete with Boeing have gone bankrupt, to a crying girl to a competitor who should be watched but whose competition shouldn't have sleepless nights over a launch over a new aircraft program.

@paulshields2220

Жыл бұрын

Boeing middle market aircraft I’d only running on brand name not quality or performance. Both A220 and A320 out perform the 737. Many of the newer ULCC that are using Boeing are only getting them because of large order discounts and delivery time years quicker than what they can get from the A320

@jthunders

Жыл бұрын

Everything has gone wrong for them. Every day a living nightmare because they would not accept Jesus christ as their personal savior.

@bocahdongo7769

Жыл бұрын

I would called it oversight really. Let's be honest, even I bet you also think this aircraft is just regional jet and shouldn't be on level of A320 and 737 anyway Until people realize Canada is bigger than European yet far more sparse. Basically turning this aircraft to 737/A320 level of spec

@TheBooban

Жыл бұрын

They _didn’t_ think. They are run by buffoons going through the motions. They don’t care about the business. It is too big. They lazy, just sit back and collect their money.

I have a friend who worked with military air procurement for many years and Boeing has lost a lot of respect in those circles in recent years. The finance and bean counters appear to be running the show there instead of the engineers and product people.

@kenoliver8913

Жыл бұрын

You've only got to see how its recent space business has been going, suffering the same malady of Wall St types running it instead of the engineers. Look at Starliner - contracted with NASA to launch in 2017 and still not launched. Meanwhile SpaceX built Crew Dragon in under half the time and budget and is operating it routinely.

Boeing has been its own worst enemy lately

@peterebel7899

Жыл бұрын

lately?

@rickfeng4466

4 ай бұрын

McDonnell Douglas brought Boeing using Boeing’s money. So it is the ghost of MDC Boeing’s biggest enemy.

You neglected to mention how Boeing later screwed Embraer with its promised acquisition after Airbus took control of the Bombardier C-Series. The Airbus A220 is now built in Montreal at a plant located in the Mirabel airport. Boeing also spent tons of money in Canada trying to make amends after the fiasco, but to no avail. Let's hope Boeing has now learned its lesson.

@herbertcourtesie2459

Жыл бұрын

What? Embraer allowing Boeing to acquire its shares? Nonsense!

@ursodermatt8809

Жыл бұрын

@@herbertcourtesie2459 no what! boeing were going to acquire them. suppose you are a nationalistic brasilian? chaning history to suit nationalistic ideas?

@maxsaviation9512

Жыл бұрын

@@ursodermatt8809Boeing would ruin Embraer 😂

@herbertcourtesie2459

Жыл бұрын

@@ursodermatt8809 Nor nationalistic, nor Brasilian! Only opposed to people writing nonsense. A failed Boeing supporter idea.

@ursodermatt8809

Жыл бұрын

@@herbertcourtesie2459 then you must be talking about yourself in the first place.

I wonder how long it will be before Ryanair and Southwest seriously consider adding another airplane type to start moving away from the Boeing 737 series. That would be a huge problem for Boeing.

@bobbrewer5182

Жыл бұрын

Ryanair does have A320 family aircraft in their Lauda subsidiary. Michael O’Leary, Ryanair’s Group CEO has repeatedly said they’d buy Airbus aircraft if Airbus would lower their price. In the most recent version, O’Leary has said Airbus would have to lower their price by 30% for Ryanair to consider a future order.

@Chris-Pringle

Жыл бұрын

Personally I love flying on Boeing. They feel different than airbus. They feel like a jet. But airbus are more comfortable. Makes me feel I’m in a bus. Lol

@repatch43

Жыл бұрын

@@Chris-Pringle I'd venture that if I blindfolded you, put you on a plane, and let you fly on it, you won't be able to tell if it was a Boeing or an Airbus.

@rdspam

Жыл бұрын

With 400+ future planes on order, it will be a long time, at a minimum, for Southwest

@StevePemberton2

Жыл бұрын

Southwest has a unique business model and the 737 serves them very well. No need for them to "move away from it". With the updated engines with better efficiency and greater range I think they can go another twenty years with the 737 as long as it meets their needs. Eventually a new plane will come along that will make it worth changing their strategy, but that hasn't happened yet.

Regarding the supply chain. One way to look at it is that it will be a struggle for Airbus (because it will). But another is that it is giving Airbus serious inroads with traditional Boeing supplies. This, in turn, might give Airbus more of a say in product development for companies that traditionally only really answered to Boeing. And that could place some interesting, and perhaps serious, constraints on future Boeing designs. I think Airbus is playing some serious 5D chess here.

@PAC-fp9hy

Жыл бұрын

Most aircraft already have global supply chains and the use of American made avionics, landing gear, engines etc has never caused Airbus issues in the past. Airbus is as big as Boeing in the commercial aircraft sector so has similar buying capability and already has a A320 FAL in Mobile which in order to meet US requirements for parts of origin has substantial US supply lines. I don't think this is the limiting factor here. The key limiting factor is the way that Boeing has been managed since it moved from Main Street to Wall Street.

@TheActualJae

Жыл бұрын

@@PAC-fp9hy I take you didn’t watch the video or, if you did, you assume I wasn’t paying attention at all and, in addition, disagree with the conclusions of the video? Further, you’re focusing on the wrong part of the argument (probably my fault for writing it wrong), the main thing I was trying to put forward is that this would give Airbus further inroads with more of Boeings partners (if what Mentour said is true). Those manufacturers will probably look into homologation wherever they can to keep costs down. Homologation has it’s advantages in regards to diversifying a supply chain, but it also means you need to build towards that line of products rather than being able to expect that the vendor will bend over backwards to work with your technical requirements because they have no other major customers. Lastly, I never said this was Boeings only problem. It’s just another possible bullet point on a very very long list.

@PAC-fp9hy

Жыл бұрын

@@TheActualJae Airbus already has partnerships with many of Boeing's partners. PW, Engine Alliance, RR, Moog, Thales, Honeywell etc etc. They are not just Boeing partners. This deal is unlikely to have given Airbus any significant supply chains that it didn't have already. And even if it did, the components would be only be suitable for the A200 such as the airframe and composites. The whole argument for taking on a loss making project was to be able to use existing Airbus supply chains and buying power to make the A200 profitable, so that would imply that AIrbus already had contracts withe the main suppliers. The question of homologation is very complex because each component has to pass FAA and EASA requirements for the DOA, POA and MOA in respect of the aircraft type it is fitted to. That is always a lot work as Boeing know only too well when it cut corners on the Max. Mentour is a Boeing pilot, and he does not work for Airbus, so it is probably speculation on his part.

Recently our local national carrier (Croatia Airlines, OU) swapped their A320 neo options they were sitting on for years to A220 (with plans to have an all-A220 fleet at the end). Besides the plane being pretty "right-sized" for OU it seems that Airbus was willing to work this swap out as it needs all A321neo production slots it can get as that is where their biggest backlog x value currently stands. So by shifting some of the "smaller" airlines to A220 (Air Baltic being a showcase) pipeline, Airbus can churn out A320/321 neos for big/major orders and operators (getting them planes earlier than previously possible, to prevent them from considering 737MAX).

@Dorcolac990

Жыл бұрын

Just curious, how will OU finance those planes?

@ProT3ch

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly the reason Airbus is considering the A220-500. Yes it will compete with the A320neo sales, but they cannot make enough of the A320 family planes anyway and people are choosing Boeing because of the lower wait times.

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

And on this way Airbus avoided that Croatia Airlines switched to the E2-Jets from Embraer. Air Baltic was most probably the model for this decision.

@mmm0404

Жыл бұрын

Yea that's a possibility but not the current reality, you still have to wait longer to get the a320neo/321neo , compared to the MAX . The a220 can only be a substitute for the MAX 7 /a319 , so Boeing still has a few more years to take advantage of airbus's limited /constrained production and huge backlog . Not to mention that the a220 is currently having some supply chain issues of its own , so ramping up production won't be an easy task Boeing will rack up hundreds of orders for the 737MAX before Airbus manages to increase and stabilize its production rates .

@mmm0404

Жыл бұрын

@@ProT3ch the 737MAX 8 seats around 212 in MAXm configuration, a potential a220-500 won't seat more than 180. The a220-500 will have lower profit margins than the a320neo for its first few years , and will definitely hurt 320 sales . Probably the reason Airbus is still in some kind of a dilemma with this . An a220-500 could take 2-4 years , lots of time for Boeing to continue to snatch hundreds of orders , due to a320neo/321neo production slot constraints.

These events also likely cost Boeing the sale of nearly 100 Super hornets as well.

@mediocreman2

Жыл бұрын

What's crazy is that's a very easy connection to make. Weird that nobody at Boeing thought about that.

@capitalinventor4823

Жыл бұрын

No, the US was going to make sure that Canada was going to buy the F-35 no matter what. Netherlands was going to purchase a different fighter and diplomatic pressure came in from the US to change their minds. Interestingly Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) was negotiating price, delivery schedule, and economic benefits to Canada during fall of 2022 even though the choice of plane was announced in the spring of 2022. The president of Saab Canada (Saab submitted a bid for the Gripen) is upset because all of those items were supposed to be finalized in the competitors bid. So why is PSPC having to negotiate these things now? We would have been better served with the Gripen. It will soon have the electronic capabilities that the F-35 will soon have and is able to carry more. We don't need stealth fighters. We also don't need to lose our sovereignty with the F-35. They are constantly sending back data to the manufacturer (and the US government) about what the plane is doing and where the plane is going. It's in the name of preventative maintenance but do we have to tell the US government where our fighters are every second. Also, all major maintenance is done in factories, not on base. This includes engine changes. This is bloody useless in a battle. How do your tech people fix your planes in combat if they can't do it in peacetime? Oh, that's right, their stealth planes, they won't get damaged in battle! /s If it's anything like the contract Phase 2 of the LRT in Ottawa then they're probably adding the cost of wheels and wings. (The contract for the Phase 2 of the LRT in Ottawa was handled terribly. It twice failed the technical requirements but was allowed to continue. It won because it was much less expensive. Of course it may be so cheap when it's missing a ton of the requirements! Is it going to be so cheap when all of the requirements that are missing get added back on as extras? The bonus part was when the city council went to vote on the contract the mayor knew about this but wouldn't let the rest of the council know. Sorry for straying off topic but the LRT in Ottawa is a massive tragedy that more people need to know about.)

@pyRoy6

Жыл бұрын

@@capitalinventor4823 It might be true that Canada was going to pick the F-35, but the dispute did lead to the cancellation of the small number of Super Hornets prior to choosing a full replacement for the Canadian legacy Hornets. If Canada already had a few Super Hornets, Boeing would have had a better chance at winning the competition.

@StevePemberton2

Жыл бұрын

Alresdy mentioned in the video 14:21

@aurelio-reymilaorcabal9669

Жыл бұрын

@@mediocreman2 Well the Super Hornets are kind of yesterdays jets ,F35 might cost way more,at least they are next generation, and Stealth features and some can even go VTOL,

Whilst the A220 might cost A319 and 320 sales in the short-term it will probably more than pay off long-term with the development potential the 220 has. I'm curious to see what the future brings both in regards to Airbus and Bombardier

@chromebomb

Жыл бұрын

plus airbus has a HUGE a320 backlog so they can market the a220 as a now option while people wait for their a320s

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

@@chromebomb Indeed, exactly.

@24HoLTeam93

Жыл бұрын

Well, the future for Bombardier is pretty grim. They had to sell essentially the whole company because of the hole the C-series dug.

@franziskani

Жыл бұрын

The technology of leight weight materials is also interesting for the future.

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

@@24HoLTeam93 Yes - with the Delta Deal in time maybe they would have been able to "hold the nose upon water" - but so, no chance. The Businessjet-Production is practically the single issue what remained from Bombardier.

I just flew a brand new Air France A220 between Paris and Barcelona last week. Beautiful aircraft.

Dennis Muilenburg made a lot of mistakes during his time as Boeing CEO and this is one of them but not the worst. (We all know what that was.) Serves Boeing right that they lost out on purchasing the C-Series program for suing Bombardier because they were worried that this would be unfair competition to the MAX 7 and 6 years later, the MAX 7 has entered service yet!

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

He left indeed a very difficult heritage for Boeing behind him. Probably the worst CEO in the History of Boeing.

@TheBackyardChemist

Жыл бұрын

Dont forget the disastrously embarrassing failure of the Boeing Starliner program

@Funnypants

Жыл бұрын

I don't know what that was

@heidirabenau511

Жыл бұрын

@@Funnypants Faulty MCAS on the 737 MAX

@Funnypants

Жыл бұрын

@@heidirabenau511 thank you

The A220-300 is the most comfortable smaller jet I've been on, flew Air Baltic OSL-BUD couple yers ago.

In my own opinion, Boeing has sat back on it's laurels for too many years. The company threw it's dummy out of the cot. For too many years, Boeing has been shortsighted. They thought that payback would be to get involved with Embraer after the Delta deal. And how right 'royally shafted' those poor guys became when Boeing dumped them. It was like being proposed to and then jilted at the altar. I am so happy the C-Series/A220 became the success it's turning out to be, thanks to the skills of every designer, engineer and Canadian that put their heart and soul into this Bombardier project. Long may it succeed. All kudos though to Airbus for spotting a gem and taking it to the world. The sad part of the story, is if Bombardier had just pushed on that little bit longer, maybe it would have been a success in it's own right without either of the duopoly. At some point, Boeing has to realise, for all the magnificent machines it builds, it cannot think it's a company that dictates anymore. We've all seen what happens to dictators!

@aurelio-reymilaorcabal9669

Жыл бұрын

The C Series is a well designed Aircraf, it took Airbus marketing to sell it to the world , pilots and passengers who fly it are happy with the experience- flying it and quietness and spacious feeling inside.The geared Turbofan by P&W is a good engine after some development.

@notsureyou

Жыл бұрын

To be honest I think that they needed Airbus help with mass production, as well as cost reducing manufacturing techniques (from memory)

@jamesdellaneve9005

Жыл бұрын

I work on the military side of Boeing and aren’t commenting with insider information. My opinion is that we’ve lost the love of the products. I’ve had this conversation with many executives. I’ve said, “who’s our Elon”? In other words someone that loves innovation and customers. Once our competitors uses the next step function in technology in the 737 market, the end has begun. It’ll take 20 years, but Boeing is not a leader, just a cost cutter. Selling the same 50 year old design with lipstick applied.

@martindehavilland-fox3175

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesdellaneve9005 It's such a shame to hear those words from someone that works with Boeing. As you say, to lose the passion for what you're producing and build it to a price is indeed a sad state of affairs. I don't know how true this is, but I hear the rot started when MD management took over?

@kenoliver8913

Жыл бұрын

Without one of the duopoly behind it there is just no way the C-Series would have been anywhere near the success it is - it may have turned a useful profit but it would never be the Embraer-killer it is. Its basically about massive marketing muscle, plus an awful lot of capital and mass manufacturing expertise on tap.

Very good overview of the CSeries program. The potential Embraer merger with Boeing certainly helped the Bombardier-Airbus partnership. Under Airbus, we can now expect thousands of this superb airplane, instead of hundreds or even outright program failure... Development, certification, production and entry-into-service have been quite interesting and fun, for my coworkers and myself! Thanks for the video, keep up the great work!

The A-220 or CS-100/300 is a real step forward for single aisle aircraft. The layout in the Galleys ,Cabin and Lavatories are very new and welcomed by Carriers. The Fuel efficient Engines and Pilot designed Cockpits make it not only preferred but a runaway Winner in its category. Yes I am a proud Canadian or loves the Bombardier product. Perfects you can confirm this point. The door sill just inside door one, still says CS-300 as a tribute to its heritage. I love your videos.

As a Canadian, I was so proud of the C-series and what Bombardier was able to accomplish. Even though Bombardier has not had great PR in Canada because of issues with it's public transit programs, it's still a Canadian company and the only major aviation company. When the Boeing complaint happened, it also carried with it the bad taste of the Trump admin and some of the other trade disagreements we'd had with them. I'm happy that the A220 is flourishing because it's still a point of pride as a Canadian aviation enthusiast. It's still the original design and build and it only has new owners. I also can't help but feel some schadenfreude that the plane is causing issues for Boeing, still.

@patrice5976

Жыл бұрын

Not great PR. It’s true. Called corporate welfare bums by Anglo Canadians and their media especially the globe and mail. Even though Bbd paid back every penny they ever got from Ottawa plus hundreds of millions in taxes. That project was badmouthed from the start by people outside Quebec. They just hate anything doing well in that province

You are indeed correct by saying that the A220 is an awesome aircraft. I had a rough idea of the history of the aircraft, but it was interesting to hear it in a little more detail and with your personal take. Thanks for sharing.

Long time Boeing fan / cargo pilot (hence my name) I have time on the 74-1, 74-2, 74-4 and for the last several years have been in the left seat of the 74-8. The way that Boeing is operated is now making the company a shell of itself

@michaelrmurphy2734

Жыл бұрын

All yoke for you? Any sidestick experience?

@notboeingnotgoing5483

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelrmurphy2734 I have sidestick experience from the military, but for commercial flying, it’s all yoke, I have never had the privilege of having a TV tray in front of me from Germany…. But I have been jealous of my Airbus brothers & sisters 🤓

@guillaumeromain6694

9 ай бұрын

​@@notboeingnotgoing5483Airbus is European. Just saying

The fact that the C Series has the same range and seating capacity as the MD80 (and similar seating configuration) has been interesting, and could have made an acquisition an easy low cost win for Boeing. (Bullying instead didn't yield advantages; perhaps it should have been seen as a sign of the rot of the company.)

@heidirabenau511

Жыл бұрын

@zakaria azzaim Patreon

@ajg617

Жыл бұрын

And it's interesting that Delta has not restored a good many of their MD-80 routes which they canx during COVID. I would have thought that the C-series would have allowed them to restore the routes.

@The_ZeroLine

Жыл бұрын

It was the MD strain in the company. Boeing has many great people and characteristics as well as some not so great people usually in upper management who are from the MD strain of the company. MD were famous for arrogance and a slick attitude in the C-Suite.

@heidirabenau511

Жыл бұрын

@@The_ZeroLine MD killed Boeing

@kennethmcdonald4807

Жыл бұрын

@@The_ZeroLine Greed and arrogance are what bring down most large organizations, and in this case of damage done to the American industrial base, tragically so. Elon?

Very interesting... As a Canadian I'm glad the plane has survived too. I'm looking forward to fly on it myself soon.

The backstory of this aircraft is very interesting... I've actually flown on the Airbus A220-300 with Air Canada from Toronto to Edmonton, and it was amazing! Very comfortable, even for a 4-hour flight. The 2-3 configuration really helps, and the economy seats are among the widest in the fleet.

A220 is a fabulous aircraft for passengers. Quiet, spacious and comfortable.

What Boeing did to Canada and Bombardier goes well beyond simply building aircraft. The whole world now see's Boeing's true color for what it really has become. Their manipulation of the Max was yet one more example. Thank you Mentour for this upstanding report coming from a disgruntled Canadian who knows.! Stay tuned for some really big news about to come out of Canada.!

@dixonpinfold2582

Жыл бұрын

Hmm. When will that be, at the latest?

Love the Swiss 220s! The routes include London City Airport, while the 320s are larger so gotta instead go to Heathrow. Really fills a nice spot in the Airbus portfolio. Embraers are nice too tho :)

Scott Hamilton's "Air Wars" book is certainly well worth a read. One thing not really discussed in this vlog is how acquiring the C Series fits right in with Airbus's long term commercial strategy, inspired by John Leahy (Airbus's recently retired head of sales, who basically made Airbus what it is today). Leahy was all about market share, and had a very strong drive to increase Airbus's market share as pretty much the sole commercial driver for the whole of Airbus. He / Airbus didn't mind whether or not market share came about from Airbus selling more aircraft, or spoiling Boeing's prospects in the market. Acquiring / saving the C series was just another way of moving market share from Boeing to Airbus. To outperform all aspects of A220 / A320neo, Boeing would have to spend an absolute fortune on a 737 replacement, to have any hope of reversing the single aisle market momentum and restore good sales margins. Boeing clearly hasn't the money, expertise, or patience to do so. And it'd really take two different models for Boeing to successfully outperform both A220 and A320neo. So, Boeing need two moonshot development programs. Airbus picked up the fruits of one pretty good moonshot program for nearly free. Even if Boeing did a full CF A220 look-alike, it'd cost them a fortune and not be significantly better. Plus, no one really realised there was quite such a large market for something like the C Series until the C Series came along and Airbus got involved, but that's now all Airbus's market. What's even worse is that Airbus are moving things along. They're looking at hydrogen-fuelled aircraft, which (if successful) makes aviation sustainable long term (assuming green H2 production). Boeing need to be designing aircraft to at least match or exceed Airbus's current line up to be able to regain some market share, but also need to be designing beyond even that. I don't think they've got anything like the engineering or commercial capacity to do that, and won't get the capacity because their market share is too small and shrinking.

You have to feel good bombardier, they spent a bunch of money to develop a great jet that would have been competitive and would have established Bombardier as a real competitor to the duopoly.

@johncheresna

Жыл бұрын

People around the world do not realized that the rest of Canada, esp Alberta actually paid the development cost. Bombardier and Quebec are not success stories, they are a blck hole for Canada's/Alberta's Money, with no benifit in return. If I recieved as much money as Quebec gets, I would have been able to solve the Fusion generation problem and we would have clean energy.

@abarratt8869

Жыл бұрын

They certainly did design a great jet. Apart from Boeing screwing things up, one thing that was in the way of it attracting seriously large orders was the size of Bombardier in the market place. They were comparatively small, and suppliers were reluctant to give them good prices on parts. So the C Series was going to be moderately pricey to buy and support. Bombardier also didn't have a large sales team; it takes a lot of staff to run multiple sales campaigns necessary to get a large order book. That they managed to sell any at all as Bombardier is testament to just how good a design it is; the plane sold itself to anyone that sampled it, and made the price still look good. One of the things that is good about Airbus coming into the program is that Airbus can drive supplier prices down, and has a vast sales team that can mix A220s in with other sales campaigns. Airbus saying "we believe in this aircraft" is a pretty good endorsement, enough to make a lot of airline executives believe that there is a long term future for the design, which is also an important thing. I do feel sorry for Bombardier that they got clobbered so, but I think that, in the end, for the people (if not the investors) it's going to work out well. They've got a slice of what looks like being (in the long run) a very large cake. It's not as glamourous as the whole cake, but it's a very good second best! And for the government investors, it'll come good; there's going to be a lot more well paid, tax paying employees for a long time to come, bringing in money from overseas.

As soon as I saw the title of this video in the youtube recommends (based on my watch history) I knew this was going to be about the C series. Writing this reply now before even watching the video... my instinctive answer to the question in the title is "absolutely they did". I've been saying this ever since Bombardier-Airbus sale. Boeing's own stupidity and greed blew up in their faces and drove Bombardier into the arms of Airbus. One of the most epic own goals in business history in a long time.

Goes to show, that in the long run (as it does so often) it just doesn't pay off to make the own product more and more cost effective (-> sh*tty) and then trying to compete by dragging others down. Positivity is where it's at, not only, but also in running a company. It defines the way you look at the world...

I am a frequent listener to a Dutch podcast about general aviation. The way you describe Boeings' handling and thinking fits how the Dutch guys talk about it. For example: Boeing is so conceited, when a European journalist (the Dutch guy) was given the opportunity to talk to a Boeing-salesman (high ranking one), the interview went sour as the interviewer brought up Airbus. Airbus was a non-starter for the salesman.

@DiederikCA

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like they have to step off that high horse of them and start to actually compete. You gotta be better than the competition at something, be it comfort, efficiency, design or price. Funny to hear how Boeing people still act like they're the only show

The A220 is a nice replacement for the F100, E190, B737 and A319. I was really happy the first production models were used to my regular destination by Swiss about 6 years ago.

So proud to see a small clip from our new A321 taking off from Hamburg! (I work at JetSmart as a Maintenance Operations Executive) 17:25 Great content as always Mr Mentour.

Canada's government cancelled a planned $2 billion purchase of 18 F/A-18 Super Hornet fighters because of fhe decision by Boeing to launch a trade challenge against Bombardier. Instead it bought 25 F-18 classics from Australia to fill an interim requirement to augment the CF-18 fleet.

@Coupegt84

Жыл бұрын

Fair is fair, and congrats to Canada for having the guts to call it as they saw it and walk away from the F-18.

Terrific as always from Petter. How fortunate that this project was saved, given the little known story of the Avro Jetliner; which was developed around the same time as the DH Comet and was in many ways a superior aircraft. Sadly the Canadian government at the time weren’t supportive, but the A220 is a happy ending of sorts, three quarters of a century later.

I flew in AirBaltic A220-300 from Riga to Berlin back in May 2019 at it was sweet. Comfortable, quiet. Loved it.

2:26 Do not overlook the fact that the CSeries have the exact passenger capacity as the original 737 waaaayyy back in 1967 coincidence? I think not. ALSO it shows how far the 737 mission creep has gone. 9:50 "medium haul airliner" The *irony* of Boeing creating the point-to-point long haul 787 small twin aisle jet, having customers begging for a 757 replacement, SouthWest as a friendly case study... and THEN missing the opportunity of a long legged 100-ish seat airplane is exquisite.

I love the A220 / C Series and have flown on Air Canadas aircraft. It is very comfortable and quiet as well as efficient. I would love to see the YYT - LHR route return with this aircraft.

@ZS-rm5vn

Жыл бұрын

Not ETOPS, so aircanada would more likely put a 737 max on that eventually, if ever

A story I ran into (I think in the book 'Flying Blind') to explain why Boeing pushed forward with their complaint is even more astonishing: this was a _negotiation technique_! They were okay with the price/negotiation but wanted an even better deal, so push forward with the complaint in the hope a small tariff would negotiate the price of the program down. They ended up with a much higher tariff than expected (virtually killing the program) which soured relationships and pushed Bombardier into Airbus' arms.

Mentour should send one of those "INOP" shirts to everyone in Boeing management. To wear on their heads.

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

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@youdontknowme5969

Жыл бұрын

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What a complicated story, but thank you for breaking it down. I flew on the A220. Was so comfy and quiet! Thank you for your channel!

I worked for Boeing for over a decade. One thing that still baffles me is their arrogance. Their mindset has always been "we're the best" and "it's other's fault". When Boeing lost the initial tanker competition, their marketing is all about how the government's decision "doesn't add up" and make the government to overturn that decision. When Boeing made demand to supplier/customer on price or requirement, a common phrase that got thrown around a lot is "Because we're Boeing". Again, with Bombardier, Boeing thinks they can do whatever they want, got so blinded by just crushing competition, they forgot they're no longer the industry leader. What's worse is that hasn't really change as far as I know. My passion with aerospace started with Boeing, and ended with Boeing. To me, Boeing is a major corporate cancer that's too big to fail for the US government. It won't die, it just whine and sucks up resources.

@m3redgt

Жыл бұрын

sounds like a normal US mindset to me but yes they haven't learned from the misjudgment against Airbus when it came up one single bit

@michaelrmurphy2734

Жыл бұрын

Kind of like Trump and the big US banks. Always someone else's fault and we're too big to fail.

@Steeler-wg5zo

Жыл бұрын

Judging by their behavior, those at the top of the company seem to be all Trumpiots. No wonder... LOL

@EightPawsProductionsHD

Жыл бұрын

The arrogance has been there from day one. When the first Airbus A300 was announced, Boeing referred to it as "that little European project", and consistently underestimated both Airbus and the aircraft. Nothing has changed in 50 years.

@Neuzahnstein

4 ай бұрын

That was crazy airbus offered a finished tanker instead boeings concept was choosen.

The a220 is a real pilots dream compared to the 737 max and ng

@shrimpflea

Жыл бұрын

Depends how you look at it. A220 is easier to fly but the 737 is more hands on.

@tonymcflattie2450

Жыл бұрын

@@shrimpflea also need to consider flight deck spaciousness, storage of crew bags, noise, window size and ease of FMs programming, cocpkit checks.

Nice looking plane, which generally means a good plane. Cockpit looks amazing. May be Boeing should get back to engineering planes, rather than only thinking of management. If Boeing had used the C Series to phase out the 737 then we wouldn't have had the MCAS disaster.

@eamonryan2198

Жыл бұрын

The nose section of the A220 bears a striking resemblance to the nose of the DH Comet.

@axelBr1

Жыл бұрын

@@eamonryan2198 That’s what I was thinking, as does the B787. Amazing that a plane designed without computers would have such aerodynamic properties.

The key comment here is that the A200 series has scalability in its design and the potential for a dash 900 means that Airbus has a more modern design than the A320 for the future at very little cost and a much shorter entry into market cycle. At some point Boeing has to end the production of an aircraft designed in the 1960s and equally Airbus has to bring to a close its A320 program as there is only so much development. Clearly what is limiting the A200 series is cannibalization of the A320. The comments about profitability are valid but are proportional to the numbers being produced. Mobile only started producing the A200 series in late 2020 and so is still ramping up (and in between we had the global Covid crisis). There still needs to be complete integration into the Airbus supply chain and back office production systems. We are talking about different PLM systems etc. Also look at how long it takes a new FAL to become mature enough to ramp up to profitable numbers - Boeing still have not managed to turn burger flippers into aircraft assembly technicians at the Charlston Dreamliner FAL. These things take time.

@MentourNow

Жыл бұрын

Very good points!

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, exactly.

@franziskani

Жыл бұрын

But right now Airbus might be limited in how many A320 they can supply. The A200 series is an alternative.

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

@@franziskani Yes.

@PAC-fp9hy

Жыл бұрын

@@franziskani In the short term it is not yet a replacement for the A320 because it can only be produced at Mirabelle and Mobile. Both FALs are not at the production rates of Toulouse or Hamburg. It is a direct replacement for the A318/319 however, because these variants do not sell in numbers.

GOTT NYTT ÅR PETTER! And what a way to start the new year, with my favourite airplane! Hope your new year brings you happiness and success! Greetings, from a Swede in Norway :)

Thanks again Mentour ! Hoping you & your family had a Merry Christmas & will have a great year !

Hi Petter, greetings from Argentina. I already knew the story behind B-CSeries and Airbus, but not so thorough as you had explained. After a lot of mistakes by Boeing, I think the Executive staff should do a very deep and detailed analysis of their dessitions and some accordingly changes to emprove their business, otherwise their stacks will drop dramatically. Since you had adressed this topic, would you consider on doing an explanation on what happen with the Boeing-EmBraEr failed merge? I wish you, your family and friends the best to this year 2023. Cheers from NE Patagonia.

Great summary of the C-series saga! We are very proud of this airplane in Canada.

@patrice5976

Жыл бұрын

Fuck Canada. They didn’t support it at all. Anglo Canadians badmouthed it from the start (2004)

@patrice5976

Жыл бұрын

Please don’t say Canada build this plane. Not a single plane bought when it was a c-series. ZERO PLANES. 0. I REPEAT: NO C-SERIES WAS BOUGHT BY A CANADIAN COMPANY. ZERO. Can you imagine Brazil not buying Embraer or USA not buying Boeing? France and Germany not buying Airbus? Can you?

@patrice5976

Жыл бұрын

Anglo Canadians can’t stomach any success from Quebec, they hate it and secretly want it to fail.

@moosefuel

Жыл бұрын

@@patrice5976 Actually I partly agree with you.I remember Kevin O'Leary badmouthing Bombardier on the news. It is a great plane, and all who worked on it should be proud.

@moosefuel

Жыл бұрын

@@patrice5976 Air Canada placed an order for 45 C-Series in 2016.

Flew it on Friday. Love this Plane! Quiet, big Windows, and feels also spatious inside! Good Job Bombardier/Airbus!

Canadians squandered our opportunity to be an aviation world leader when we canceled the Avro Arrow back in the 50's. It took us all these decades to rebuild our industry to once again have a word beating aircraft. And now we again let this one slip though our fingers again, with the near collapse of bombardier, and the lose of all those high tech jobs! The profits are going over seas. As a retired Captain with Jazz, it makes me sad to think I will not get a chance to fly this aircraft. To sit and watch this video, and the lose to Canada talked about, it has me red hot with steam rushing out of my ears.

Don't mess with us Québecers! 😆

Love this video! I appreciate the time and effort you took to explain all of this :)

Glad to have you back with a nice new video. Happy new year!

just flew on a Jet Blue A220 and it was amazing

This is fascinating ! Thanks for this detailed story

As an Airbus fan im very happy for A220 being from Airbus and because of that and because of a modern cockpit, modern cabin and many other things A220 is my favourite aircraft

@RastkoRoza

Жыл бұрын

@Phillip Banes what? I said as an because im describing myself as an individual being Airbus's fan

@crissto8591

Жыл бұрын

@@RastkoRoza it's only Airbus in name. It's a fully bombardier plane.

@RastkoRoza

Жыл бұрын

@@crissto8591 so? Its 100% Airbus owned plane. Idk what you're saying

@crissto8591

Жыл бұрын

@@RastkoRoza Airbus had no input on any engineering nor design, they just paid some bills. Also it's not 100% owned, the Quebec gouvernement also has a significant non controlling stake

@RastkoRoza

Жыл бұрын

@@crissto8591 key words being "non controlling" im saying who owns A220 and thats Airbus. If someone that doesnt know about Bombardier boards an A220 they would think its an Airbus which it is. And Airbus does assemble the plane in Alabama and without Airbus Bombardier basically wouldnt be able to sell planes in US cause of the 300% taxes US put on them after the Boeing case, so without Airbus Bombardier would have been screwed.

Great presentation. Credit of course goes to the engineering, production team on the C series. A remarkable group of professionals who produced a world class product.

Fantastic content as always mate good work

Boeing missed even a big chance with Embraer.

@heidirabenau511

Жыл бұрын

For Embraer's sake, thank god that that didn't happen!

@serkandevel7828

Жыл бұрын

@@heidirabenau511 now Boeing is trying to take Employees from Embraer

those bombardier are slick looking aircrafts. 😀👍

As a Canadian, I find this a fascinating look at the airline industry here and elsewhere. I'm glad you touched on Canada's F-35 fighter purchase. Of course, the rabbit hole goes much deeper than you are hinting at in this video.

Happy New Year Petter!

It would've been cooler if Bombardier could've pulled this through themselves. It's always good to disrupt duopolies I think.

Is it the same Boing management that saw the Max's problem and did nothing to fix it before the disaster??

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

Yes - Dennis Muilenburg, CEO of Boeing at that time, is responsible for both failures. Probably the worst CEO in the history of Boeing.

I remember being glued to this news story when it was ongoing. I just had a long discussion with a friend about it today!great video

Excellent and accurate review of this topic. I very much enjoy flying on the Bombardier A-220, a lovely aircraft.

With the whole cockpit design it just rally feels much closer to Airbus anyway.

The A220 story is hilarious and completely reflective of how modern Boeing functions, purely as a government-lobbying Senator-buying bureaucracy.

I see so many A220’s taking off and landing from the tiny runway on London city airport. They look almost as big as 737’s or A320’s which can’t (properly) use that airport. Shows why they are so popular

So just recently discovered your videos, must say the way you do them is brilliant, really factual but easy enough to understand:) being English and interested in planes I'm rather glad most UK ops like ryanair don't use the max yet... And certain companies say you could get a refund if you are not comfortable with using them .

@EightPawsProductionsHD

Жыл бұрын

Ryanair are using the Max on some routes. They have 40 active 737-8MAX 200s.

@rowlewis81

Жыл бұрын

@@EightPawsProductionsHD none out of my local airport as yet, be a while before I venture on a max :) or infact a Boeing, lost trust in them

Airbus just can't stop Winning.

@heidirabenau511

Жыл бұрын

And Boeing just can't stop losing

@ax.f-1256

Жыл бұрын

@@heidirabenau511 but the reason is Boeing, is losing because they are acting totally stupid. That's why they're losing because they're just stupid.

Boeing being typical Boeing. Good that we have some competition

I build the A220/300 in Mobile. The program has a lot of kinks to work through. But it’s promising. The manufacturing processes over do it on quality side right now, but that’s the way young programs are. The tariffs are avoided because the Mobile FAL IS a foreign trade zone under the jurisdiction of the Canada’s aviation regulatory authority, Transport Canada.

Great commentary and footage!

The other thing we must ask - what would have happened to the program under Boeing? Would they have done it right in manufacturing and future upgrades, or neglected it, used cheap unqualified workers, cut corners everywhere, and later made an "upgraded" version with serious design flaws, ultimately ruined it like they do everything else they touch these days? Honestly I think it's in better hands with Airbus. I could even imagine a barrier to Boeing's buying out the Cseries would be those involved with the program not wanting to work under Boeing, either threatening to quit or fearing they'll be laid off and replaced with cheaper workers, which could hinder or complicate the negotiations, especially with any relevant unions.

Honestly, boeing has survived the last few years solely because of lobbyists in the US government. If the gov wouldn't cut them so much slack all the time the company would have gone under so long ago

@mmm0404

Жыл бұрын

and the rest of the aviation industry would have collapsed with it , do uou know how vital Boeing is? Airbus jets are sold out , do you want to fly Chinese or Russian planes instead?

@kenoliver8913

Жыл бұрын

It would be a catastrophe for everyone, INCLUDING Airbus, if that happened. No government would tolerate a complete foreign monopoly of such a vital sector for long - you can bet Congress would pour many billions into Lockeheed, and the Chinese government would be doing the same for COMAC. Encouraged by the whole United Nations and even the EU too. Fun fact: In the early 1990s Microsoft rescued Apple from bankruptcy on exactly this calculation. Bill Gates knew he needed a competitor just strong enough to be seen to keep him honest but not so strong as to seriously threaten him. Though Jobs returned to Apple and it became rather stronger competition than Gates had wanted.

Commendable use of ‘prospective’ (08:17) shows excellent grasp of the English language - I applaud you.

One other note is that the Govt of Canada just finalized that deal today (Jan 9) to purchase 88 F-35A fighter jets. Final investment is about $19 billion with total program costs over the jets lives of $70 billion. Ouch to Boeing!

It's worth saying how incredibly efficient the A220 is. It's almost 5% more fuel efficient than A321neo that is the second most efficient aircraft. Despite being only 5 seats wide, giving it a penalty of about 12% and also being generally smaller. The A220-500 will proboblt be even more efficient. And there is a 700 on the papers. Worth saying that the CS500/A220-500 have now been reworked 3 times, making it longer and shorter. (Depending on if they are going with a 700 or not) The 500 would at least be as large as the 737 max8, and the 700 probobly as large as the 9. Covering the part of the 737 series that really exist.

@simonm1447

Жыл бұрын

At the same time Airbus is developing a new carbon fiber wing for the 321 Neo, which will be larger in size with folding wingtips. This means they can use a further stretched 321 fuselage with the new wing to get an aircraft like the 757 above the standard midrange aircraft, and replace the former 318, the 319 neo and 320 neo in long term with the 220 in 3 or 4 sizes, without the need of starting an expensive clean sheet design. Boeing on the other hand would have to launch a program to replace the Max, and one to get an aircraft in the size of the former 757 to compete with the modernized and stretched 321 versions

Brilliant analysis! Thank you for being such a devoted aviation researcher! Jack.

Bombardier also have a significant presence in Australia as they have manufacturing facilities all across the country and not only locally assemble military aircraft for the RAAF but they also are responsible for manufacturing the Vilocity DMU trains for Victoria’s regional passenger rail network! They are also responsible for manufacturing all of Melbourne’s trams from 2013 to the present and the E class trams in Melbourne were built by them while they will also be building the G class trams which are scheduled to enter passenger service in late 2023 or sometime in 2024! :)

As a Canadian I am proud of our country giving Boeing the finger AND I ensure that I check the fleet assignments on every flight and choose Airbis over Boeing whenever I can and NEVER fly on a Max

@Mentour, Nice video - as usual. Small mistake though: today, Airbus only holds 75% of the C-series program. The government of Quebec still holds 25% until at least 2025. That is one of the reasons why the production of the A220 - 500 will not start until then. Fun fact: In the midst of the tariffs discussion, Bombardier sent Justin Trudeau in order to convince Trump to drop the 300% tariff. That is when a number of pictures appeared in the press with Melania smiling at the handsome guy, while Trump was fulminating. Needless to say that the charm offensive completely missed the target.

@quillmaurer6563

Жыл бұрын

That's hilarious! Can't say I've seen any photos where Melania looked happy next to Donald.

@HugoAelbrecht

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@@quillmaurer6563 Here is one of them: preview.redd.it/6yo368pozui31.jpg?auto=webp&s=69f618833f8c5c6fee2a371eaa250d901fab9836

@FrewstonBooks

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Canada has only Provinces, no states.

@quillmaurer6563

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@@HugoAelbrecht That's more than just smiling at him... Donald looks so dejected I - for once - almost feel sorry for him. If it's legit, that's another photo to remember those crazy times by.

@HugoAelbrecht

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@@quillmaurer6563 It is legit! The picture was taken in between a kiss on each cheek, but remaining extremely close to each other during the “cheek transition”. Airbus is so grateful for this! That being said, the free plane for a symbolic Canadian dollar is a bit simplistic: for that symbolic Canadian dollar, they got a company which is currently still trying to recover its losses from the huge development cost overrun, combined with sales to a.o. Delta at manufacturing cost. Having said that, by 2028, development costs should be recovered and conservative airlines will all want to buy it: by then it will have a 20 years maintenance and safety record. That’s when Airbus will reap all the benefits. Unlike Boeing, Airbus will be able to position this modern airplane against the Chinese Comac 919. Boeing will have to position their 60 years old inferior B737 against it. Interesting times ahead!

Great video, happy to see you make this as I suggested it a month ago or so. It still boils down to Boeing completely screwing over Bombardier, the program sold for a dollar. Glad to see it backfired on Boeing too.

As always, great video! As far as I am concerned, SWISS - that of course is an airline of the Lufthansa Group - was the launch costumer of the Bombarider C-Series. So, widely speaking, Lufthansa can be hold as the launch costumer, though I've never seen a Bombardier CS or Airbus A 220 in the colours of Lufthansa so far.

@TheFlyingPlectrum

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correct.

Another fantastic video! Thank you so much!♥

Love the A220 from the get go. I believe it to be a better fit for Airbus than Boeing. And check out the ACJ220 with range capacity of 10500km, or about 12hrs flight time. Damn it is a sexy plane😜

Sooooo... Boeing had to learn that if they play stupid games, they may at times win stupid prizes. Serves them right, and more companies should learn those lessons.

Bombardier and also Embraer make such beautiful planes. 💙 I would love to buy one and put it in my garden to look at it all day.