Talk about off grid. No gps. No maps. No clocks. Joyriding past the edge of the known universe. Got to admire these people..

@TheFallofRome

6 ай бұрын

Yeah seriously. It’s a totally different level of “nerves of steel”

@constantinexi6489

6 ай бұрын

We’ll be doing that again with space travel god willing

@LucidFL

6 ай бұрын

They kind of did have GPS and clocks. They could use celestial navigation to triangulate how far and in which direction they’ve gone, and the sun’s position was their clock.

@guaporeturns9472

6 ай бұрын

@@LucidFLI knew there would be one.. there’s always at least one.. and you’re it🤦‍♂️

I love these stories of one-off jumps into the unknown by random traders and pilots in Antiquity; I can't imagine being even the bravest trader, showing up at the farthest reaches of the Empire, then going farther, then trusting these natives of unknown origin to take you far inland into a region totally unknown to any denizen of the civilized world, it's bravery masquerading as madness or visa-versa.

@samsonsoturian6013

6 ай бұрын

It actually happened a lot, but we only know of select explorers. A lot of places were actually discovered by explorers several times.

@vapormissile

6 ай бұрын

​@@samsonsoturian6013"Leave No Trace" middle ages version

On a related note: The early Fins and Romans were definitely aware of each other's existence. In the Finnish Kalevala, there is spoke of "lands beyond Germany" where whole boatloads of men could travel to find jobs as mercenaries, something very odd in the otherwise agrarian semi-arctic culture the myth describes. Likewise, Roman geographers knew of Scandinavia and the Baltic Sea, but they thought it was a large island so Finland was likely the farthest extent of their knowledge.

Just a quick, fun one while I edit the next Scythian video

Amazing video. It's fascinating to learn how curious the Romans were about territories beyond the Mediterranean world. This is very little talked about in pop culture.

@TheFallofRome

6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I really enjoy it when things wrote by ancient people which are discounted, turn out to be true or have a basis of truth to it

I guess these mountains would shine during nights of full moon, and would look fantastic.

@TheFallofRome

6 ай бұрын

Probably! It must’ve been beautiful if that indeed happened

@totocaca7035

6 ай бұрын

@@TheFallofRome That axtually happens with any mountain top covered in snow on clear full moon night. It doesn't give you daylight visibility but you can see very well.

Very interesting. As usual.

@TheFallofRome

6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Maybe the real mountains of the moon is the friends that we made along the way

Wow! Your subs have increased insanely since I joined. Well done.

@TheFallofRome

6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

In regards to Eastern extremity, is there evidence for anything further than the Roman inscription for Legio XII Fulminata near Baku/Caspian Sea?

@TheFallofRome

6 ай бұрын

Not that I am personally aware of, but I am planning a video on that inscription, so something else may indeed turn up in the course of research

@JMM33RanMA

6 ай бұрын

The legend of the "Lost Legion" has been a fertile source for novels, SciFi and alt-history fantasists. A final, historically valid treatment would be nice, but you are unlikely to find a megalith with the true story engraved in Latin anywhere. Nevertheless, do carry on, because what you find will be interesting, entertaining and might suggest a realistic story. I look forward to reading it. @@TheFallofRome

I would lean more towards dar es salaam. It would pretty much be a straight shot into the lakes area. People in that area would be familiar with the topography. The rufigi is further south.

I think that would make sense actually for trade as a milestone on the way to the Congo, and thus, the Atlantic. Thanks, well done!

Wow I haven't heard of the Sudd, but apparently its average extent is 30,000 square km. or 12,000 square miles, fascinating.

@TheFallofRome

6 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s massive. I’m going to do a video on Nero’s exploration of the Nile that will of course feature the Sudd

Fascinating! Did you used to run the Bench graff youtube channel? Your voice sounds exactly the same!!

In the first few moments of looking at the mountain of the moon maps, I assumed The Mountains were the rift lake range. The Rifft lakes would have been over the highlands of Kush-Ethiopia. Beyond the cataracts. As The Egyptians and later Romans knew of this region, and undisclosed region of mountains would have to be beyond that. Rhapta being at the mouth of a river delta seems to make more sense as a trade port. That said, both regions might have been associated with The Main Port though. Such as a Trade port in the south carrying goods from the interior while the northern port specialized in another type of trade or as a watering hole for passing trade ships.

More videos like this

@TheFallofRome

6 ай бұрын

I have a few planned. Any requests?

I find these stories fascinating. I'm Irish, and I know how aware the Romans were of Ireland, but I always wonder how much they knew. Did they travel inlands, was there a permanent trading outpost etc. Great video

@TheFallofRome

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! I actually did a video about a year ago about the archaeological site of Fort Drumanagh, which has some evidence of Roman military occupation along the Irish coast. It’s possible it may be a military garrison of some sort, maybe from a campaign which Agricola is said to have tried to conduct on Ireland

@stirfrywok2927

6 ай бұрын

@@TheFallofRome yes yes, I remember! Great video, i lap that stuff up. I hope more is discovered. Thanks again

@loquat44-40

6 ай бұрын

The water to north of Scotland were known to some Mediterranean traders. It is believed that there was trade in walrus tusk ivory. And going to the islands and coasts of northern waters was were they were found.

There are plenty of mountains in Africa. The continent's big enough and navigational tools were bad enough to end up almost everywhere. With the Mountains of the Moon it sounds more like if we could corroborate it with some local legends (if those survived the millennia).

Ethiopia?

Since we only have 1 billion of a part of the Roman knowledge survive to our day, who knows what else we don’t know that they knew 😂

This is the kind of hard science, critical thinking and objective analysis and verification that should be more generally taught in schools and employed in our civilization. Instead, far too much attention is paid to the misnamed History Channel, flat Earth KZreadrs and grifters like Graham Hancock. Thanks for the ongoing effort to bring real history to the masses!

@TheFallofRome

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! I’m happy you enjoyed this one!

@JMM33RanMA

6 ай бұрын

@@TheFallofRome I've enjoyed all of your videos, even [or especially] ones that overturned or cast doubt on what I learned in high school and college in the 1960s. I was studying to be a historian or history teacher at URI, but when the Kent State closure stopped my program cold, I had a conference with my advisor and decided that if I ever hoped to be gainfully employed I had to change universities and major. I ended up an ESL professor with years of overseas university teaching. This enabled me to keep history and archaeology as a hobby. I was also able to visit Korean and Japanese sites as well as Persian, Turkish, Greek, Egyptian sites, etc. Challenging traditional or outdated ideas when new knowledge is discovered is commendable. Keep up the great work.

@sirrathersplendid4825

6 ай бұрын

Calling Hancock a ‘grifter’ suggests he’s doing it deliberately while knowing he’s wrong. That’s unfair. He seems to genuinely believe what he’s proposing and even if there’s just 1% of truth in it, he’s doing no harm. Von Däniken, meanwhile, deliberately made stuff up, and warrants the term.

wouldnt the best way to test it be to get a crew together and reconstruct a ship and then follow the directions we have in the periphilus.

I think severely undermine how much ancient societies really traveled. We can’t make scientific claims if there’s not enough evidence, but we shouldn’t assume they only explored those regions where we’ve found archeological or historical material. After all, the furthest routes ever taken by explorers are most possibly the ones that weren’t common or even only traveled once. Many of them could even become deadly so no one may have returned. After all, isn’t it weird to assume that not a single Roman ship travelled further from a port where they travelled relatively often? There’s some serious evidence of previous exploration of the Açores Islands way before the Portuguese colonized the region, probably from Vikings or Irish monks. And while this is much more speculative, it’s possible that even Carthaginians reached them centuries earlier. Some writing records seem to imply an Egyptian exploration that circumnavigated Africa, one of the proofs being that they reported that the midday sun pointed at the north at some parts of the travel, something that happens on the southern hemisphere. If this report is true, then if they didn’t visit Southern Africa they at least should have known at least someone who knew someone that was there at some point. It’s important to take everything with a grain of salt and not get carried away by fantasies, but it’s indisputable that there’s many singular routes we will never know about.

Was there more snow in Roman times on the “mountains of the moon”? That’s not at all clear, especially when you consider snow cover is demonstrably cyclical on other mountain ranges, and Rome’s period of greatness coincided with the Roman warm period, when temperatures were even higher than in the medieval warm period.

Coming back to comment after I watched the video. So, I learned Latin but have not read the specific account that led to this issue. Yet, when I intended to do history, I was taught that if one wishes to reconcile (if possible) a first source with other evidence, one seeks the simplest explanation that might do so. Latin has no articles. So, perhaps the local guide told this Roman that they took him to a source of the Nile in the sense of a river the flows into what becomes the Nile. Then, one would need to locate the area of the port and mountains which would at the time have been snow covered and which feeds a river within the system of rivers that becomes the Nile.

i cant remember if you did a video on it and i commented on it but CHAD lake chad has a huge DNA from italy and its dated from a expedition and dates 2,000 years ago, this military campaign is noted/documented but not alot compared to Caesar.

@stupidminotaur9735

6 ай бұрын

in the 2010's DNA researcher showed a huge amout of italian DNA in the lake chad area, then some roman ancient battles were remember and oh yea that makes sense.

@highadmiraljt5853

6 ай бұрын

Send sources, that sounds cool

@stupidminotaur9735

6 ай бұрын

@@highadmiraljt5853 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_sub-Saharan_Africa theres a number of videos on it, ill try to find the dna later, this was somewhat recent but africas around lake chat had the highest dna related to italy men/males and using time/science/dna this huge dna admixture happened right around 2000 years ago... i dont want to be rude and advertise other people channels on another persons.

@jmiquelmb

6 ай бұрын

I think this could also be due to earlier migrations. I believe that some haplogroups are shared between some African and European communities. So, it could be that Italians and people from Chad share common ancestry to a degree. You find some unexpected maps sometimes, like some small region in central Siberia sharing genes with Native American communities, or people from Tibet sharing the most Y chromosomes with the Japanese of all people. Africa is an extremely diverse continent from a genetic standpoint.

@jmiquelmb

6 ай бұрын

I’ve just looked on Google and found out that people around lake Chad and Western Europeans share a lot of Y-DNA (R1b particularly), so you were not wrong and there’s some common lineage to a certain degree.

Bet it was Socotra Island

The romans and the nubians knew each well enough to have fought some battles on that part of the nile. I have no doubt that Egyptian and arab traders navigated the east coast of africa for ivory and other exotic materials and perhaps wild beasts for the arena circuses. I would use the word Roman with some caution since that suggests a Roman citizen. Many people living in Roman territories were not citizens and might not have even had command of the latin language.

Roman Empire Halloween Edition... 😏😈

My guess was the Drakensburg

@seansmith3058

6 ай бұрын

In South Africa? Surely that is way off the mark.

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@TheFallofRome

6 ай бұрын

Try reloading it. It lagged for a moment on my end while it was processing

Diogenes (sp)

I think the mountains of the moon were indeed the Rwenzori mountains

@sirrathersplendid4825

6 ай бұрын

That seems to be the general view these days. And of course the local tourist board in Uganda likes to give that view as much oxygen as possible :-) More probably there were sightings and, more importantly, secondhand tales, of several of the snowcapped mountains like Kilimanjaro and Mt Kenya, and these were combined to give the impression of a larger mountain range. It’s not the “mountain of the moon”, but in the plural.

Hi

@TheFallofRome

6 ай бұрын

HELLO

Eh. If it was Herodatus, i would call it a bs story fed to him by gleeful locals. But Diogenes? Harder to call.

@tobystewart4403

6 ай бұрын

To be fair to Herodatus, he did indicate that he was aware of being fed wild stories by gleeful locals on occasion. His contempt for the Egyptians who described how the pyramids were built comes to mind.

the mountains surely mustve the ethiopian highlands, due to the close distance between the country and roman egypt

Not to nitpick, but the first European to reach the sources of the Nile did so in the early 17th century. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_P%C3%A1ez

@TheMysteryDriver

6 ай бұрын

To be fair it's "believed" to and the blue Nile.