Awesome review, Bob! 😃 Yeah, this quad seems pretty tuff! Happy new year! 😊

Thanks for the info and thoughts! I really enjoy my 3" iFlight Cinewhoop I placed one of my DJI setups inside. I have greater confidence chasing remote control planes closer thanks to the duct protection. You lose performance but it is not as bad as I had thought it would.

The original design has to be credited to Laurent Athenol "Frame-Concept" and his BeeBumper. Iflight made one similar recently with the help of Laurent, called Bumblebee. It may not be the most agile, but it's one of the safest option to make great shot around soft flesh ^^

i cant wait to see what you come up with. i always thought the duct shape added lift to the frame. as well as funneling air into a prop the duct edge seems to be the only surface providing lift instead of down force. i just gave away the secret to my new frame design.

Got mine converted over to dji and flew it for the first time today, wow wow wow. Loud. Your description was pretty accurate!

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

🙈 baby flying chainsaw

Happy New Years!!!

Wow would have never guessed it flew that good!!!! GREAT REVIEW!! 👍😀✌

I think your theory, why the quad feels locked in in altitude, is correct. Seems to make sense! I will review the iflight BumbleBee in 1-2 weeks when I get it. The design has many similarities. Great review!!

I just bought this. I'll confirm, it's loud as heck. Ear splitting loud LOL. But it does fly well!

I swapped the props with I-flight nazgul cine 3040 and updated to betaflight 4.2 RC4 and used the preset for " Cinematic" from wiki tuning tips and now it is 50% quieter and it flies like a whole new quad, i can fly full acro and push it pretty damn hard. It flies as close to perfect as these are going to get! Plus now its quiet enough that i can fly it in the neighborhood without feeling like an a##hole !

I think the muted elevation change is helpful for cinewhoops. Being able to avoid the need to use ReelSteady or provide it the most smoothed vehicle is likely a good thing.

Gday Bob, interesting review with the diatone cinewhoop isn't the aim of these things to fly well and fly quiet so you can get scenic footage? I'm interested to see where you go with these things awsome job mate.👍🛸

Love the looks of this one but the weight is up there. But being able to hold a GoPro and a 1300 4s to me is pretty friggin amazing for a 3”. 👍. I likes. Was gonna build one soon but now debating between this one and the new Iflight bumblebee.

@tehllama42

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, my 160g dry weight 3" racers will take the same battery, and actually still feel like a racer (just one with an underslung GoPro). In my mind, the thing to wait for is the next-Gen DJI Air Unit - if it has 4096x3072 (4k class 4:3) recording capability, then right there I no longer require a Session, and can start making adjustments for AUW accordingly. Molded carbon fiber ducts and the right props, could probably achieve the same flight envelope/time on a 4S 1000mAh pack, but be working back towards real acro maneuverability.

@Skankhunt-42-

4 жыл бұрын

I ordered this quad frame a few weeks back after tossing up between the two. Though the bumblebee is lighter the front camera protection is not as good on the bumblebee which is important to me running dji gear and the iflight will be really shit to work on. Waaay too many screws to access anything with the solid plate design, especially as you almost have to remove the duct just to fit a prop on these.

So many cinnewhoops poppinp.up in the market, I havnt heard andy shen say anything about it lol. I've only flown a squirt o built and it flies so well I havnt had a need to try anything else. Pretty tough too so far. Kabab u need a hero 8 black for all this cinnewhoop stuff

Nice vid and information 👍I’m looking getting the GepRC Cinequeen or would you suggest this..? Great vids 😎

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

They're very different quads. Both are actually pretty darn good and I'm surprised to say that about any RTF quad. That being said, I would still recommend building it yourself

3 vids 1 day What the heck man. Keep it up

The original design with the foam is the bee-bumper from frame-concept

@E-sk8Fr

4 жыл бұрын

it's a very different frame.

@raymondwilliams6878

4 жыл бұрын

Nah...Armattan Bumper is the originator of this frame design, imo. Slightly different, but I would bet this was the original inspiration!

That makes sense, even an old ldarc et100 felt like that.

The Diatone, which I just got in the mail, doesn't actually have ducts and I think was designed as more of a Cinewhoops! As it is durable enough to take a few hits with it's bumpers and prop guards making it safer to be around people. Ducts all have that funnel or nozzle shape to them.

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

This fake duct whatever it is turns out to produce a LOT more thrust than no duct. A LOT more than any other tested design so far. I know I was shocked too

In your GEPRC Cinequeen video it sounded like you were going to get some bigger motors with that prop guard design...I hope that's a direction you're still going, I'm always looking to see if you've made progress on that one.

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

I am and still plan to. The issue is that the guards are 9x9 mount and bigger motors are 12x12. They say they have the 12x12 in production so I'm waiting for that...

Coming from Australia. These are the sort of machines we need if we want to fly near people in any legit commercial fashion. I use the GepRC CinePro in close, and I'll take the quality hit, just so that if CASA ever pings me I've got a legitly tiny machine that poses not threat.

Woah 3 videos in a day

good quad for sloping ;) i love it. for the props, i found the azure power props scratch the ducts, and soo.. no gap.. more efficient??

@Kabab

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah less gap is more efficient

@aurelhollowgram

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kabab throttle minus 8 points with azure pôwers, is a little; but is ok for 30 sec more flight time ;) mine burn two motors and the esc.. but after 50 packs minimum. now is bizarre, new motors, new props? (no props?) i have to make it better.. (dji equiped.. i dont know, the motors wires go on, and burn... rrrrrr!!!! one more, but i love it ;) ..)

Looks like I’m picking one up soon

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm surprised to say it's actually pretty good. Just hella loud

the iFlight bumblebee looks very similar. can you review the DJI equipped version?

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Well it's gonna be the same but with DJI on board. I'm not done with this quad yet however

Seems like changing props in that pusher duct would be a sonuva.

They got the design from Frame-concept Bee-bumper. iflight co-operated with them and made the new iflight bumblebee

I just got one of these but the tune is ridiculous it twitches and not locked in at all lol what pids are u running if u don't mind me asking

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Defaults. Put betaflight 3.5.7 on it. Run defaults. Will likely fix it all

I've never been satisfied with the execution, this included, but I do think this kind of composite design is the way forward for this kind of thing. We several options for very stiff, strong, light and impact resistant foam. Foam composites are very stiff. I'd love to see something like this with like 0.5-1mm cf plates so the foam really provides the structural integrity and the carbon just keeps it stiff. If the whole thing is surrounded by impact absorbent foam you simply don't need to engineer the rest of it to crash into trees on it's own. What if: the body plates were thinner, the duct plastic was thin vacuum formed stuff, the foam was a strong and light low density EPO or EPP, the plates were 1mm and were glued in place (lets pretend building isn't an issue)?

What do you think about the tbs/ethix cine rat? It's not using ducts but bumpers.

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Great design, ridiculous price

I’m considering this quad but I’d like to know if the 6S version is better/worse than the 4S version. And how soon before the Kababewhoop comes out?

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Im still working on things. The only difference between the 4s and 6s is the motor kv. So just get the one you have most batteries for

Can that thing float? If I gave it a skirt could it be a Hovercraft? With regard to the pusher duct, would there be more 'slip faces' at various pitching of the quad?

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

🙈

Armattan did something similar a couple of years ago.

@yannickg6904

4 жыл бұрын

It's still available, but it only swings 2in props. I have one that I never built.

Thanks for the review, Bob! What I’m wondering regarding mega whoops, is it really a good idea to have them just look safe while carrying so much momentum. The carbon plates that sandwich the ducts are pretty exposed and if you crash into things they will probably leave marks just because of the energy it has with such high mass. You also mention washouts, which is interesting given the quad can produce quite a lot of thrust. I experimented with Cinewhoops myself, resulting in one built around 1306 4000kv motors. It carries a session and flies off 450mAh 4S packs with flight times about 4 minutes (and about 5:30 with 650mAh). I went full circle with ducts designing my own airfoil shape and managed to get 28% thrust increase for the same input power, but throttle response was horrible and it also had washouts, even weighing about 300 grams. So I scratched the idea and designed thin guards instead, and that changed things dramatically. It is reasonably quiet (you don’t immediately want to run away from that SCREECHING thing that a typical 500 grams Cinewhoop is), throttle control is amazing (it hovers at about 30%) and it weighs just about 290 grams with a Session. To me that is a much more viable option, and because of low weight it is actually safer. Check the details and pictures here if you’re interested rotorbuilds.com/build/20986

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

The washout happens due to a lack of RPM range I believe. The ducts restrict things so much it literally doesn't have the reach to rectify. People's flight preference is different too. Some like the super shitty throttle response. Others won't have it. I hate it. But yeah these things only 'look' safe. They actually are safer too but we all know they're still not that safe and we must be careful. This one with it's foam bumper is pretty cool however. I must give them credit for that

@ErgoFPV

4 жыл бұрын

KababFPV yeah, using foam for “bumper” zones is pretty cool indeed. Doesn’t weigh much and kinda nice to the touch. Worth experimenting with, but mostly for the feeling of safety I guess. What would actually make Cinewhoops safer would be some setting in the firmware to prevent the quad freaking out and trying to autocorrect no matter what when you bump into things in acro mode.

Stanfpv.com has great stuff

Hey KababFPV, What would you say is a better frame, the shendrones squirt v2, or this tycan frame? (looking at weight, durability etc.)

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

honestly neither. The squirt is way too heavy and the taycan has all it's weight in the wrong places and is also heavy and awkward. Both are annoyingly difficult to work on. I just came out with the CineSplore which flies surprisingly a lot better than any previous frame or build before it in existence. kzread.info/dash/bejne/goqYkrlrdpO-nrw.html

@markb5373

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kabab That quad flies pretty well for a cinewhoop! Might actually buy that frame instead :). Thanks for your reply!

Could still be a Porsche, just not a sportscar, but more like the MPV style Cayenne. ;-) Looking forward to your duct experiments, but please don't forget the Powerstick. Curious to hear what was wrong with the prototype, and whether this will be fixed before these are getting sold. Banggood changed it from "new" to "available for preorder", so it must be close to hitting the market, right?

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it should be fixed. What I have definitely isn't the final

@rc-fannl7364

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kabab You mean the Powerstick? So the version that is about to hit the stores should be ok now? What was wrong with the prototype, just curious?

Hi! Can I install a caddx tarsier v2 in that frame? Thanks

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

I believe it should fit but don't have it in front of me to confirm

Just ordered one. What exact props are on it? I want to order a few sets just in case lol

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Gemfan duct props. Should be sold places. We're getting some at FPVCycle too

@CrimsonGhostfpv

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thanks for the fast reply

So, silly idea - would an ultra-lightweight prop with relatively aggressive pitch be able to compensate for that somewhat more? In every other regard, the guts of these are what I race as 3" quads on slightly more sane batteries (1408's, 4S 650/850 packs), so the inherent performance is there, just have to overcome airflow detachment because you can't actually pull a laminar column down at wildly different speeds that quickly - maybe overcompensate with stupid-light props that can make a big RPM delta happen easier?

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

I think a reasonable suggestion but would also say that the motors being used are generally overpowered for 3". They can handle a heavy load.... however the duct space makes the load more extreme....

@tehllama42

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kabab 1408? Overpowered? Bruh, this is amurrica.

i just got my Taycan 4s. but when i use 4s battery 1300mAh 65c all motors pretty hot. when i use 3s 1300mAh 65c damn cool.. than when i use 4s 1300mAh 120c it's to agresive. i use stock setting

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Consider swapping the motors out for.thr FPVCycle 2203 motors. It will drastically improve the performance. Very drastic improvement

@SiUmaam

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kabab it's hard to get that motors in indonesia. Ho about Xing 1507 or Flywoo Robo 1507? But actually, i ordered this Quad from Banggod, i choose 6s version but they sent me 4s version. They are insane

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

@@SiUmaam ooh TBS will have our motors soon if that makes it easier to order.

Do you have any recommendations on which props would be better for this quad?

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

I really don't actually but check out the Tmotor 3" prop. Looks really nice

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kabab Thanks!

OK, I flossed. Where are the tests & comparisons already?!

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

coming in time. Lots of things in processing

I'm in the market for a cinewhoop, but I find it so crazy hard to make a decision based on the reviews. This, or a Reptile Cloud 149, or the bumblebee, or.... Almost every reviewer is positive on almost any drone.

@Kabab

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's not me. I definitely don't hype quads. This one from diatone is not bad but it's overall performance is not very good compared to the CineSplore with the CineSplore drivetrain. The diatone thing is much more durable but that's also what leads to its poor performance. If you change the motors on the diatone thing to the CineSplore motors it's head over heels better but it's still not as good. Up to you. More durable or better performance. How much do you crash. The CineSplore is super repairable however. The diatone thing is not. You need to replace half the frame if it happens to break

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@Politicallyhomeless957

4 жыл бұрын

KababFPV I haven't been on Facebook for over two years but you're still my Homie bro

Johnny was able to master the cinewhoop. Interview him and ask how he did it.

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Oh this crap can absolutely be mastered no doubt. It still flies like 💩 however

Oh snap!! You haven’t been to that spot for minute huh? I remember watching your review on the old style runcam 2 at that spot eons ago when I was just getting into FPV 😂👍

@slipperysebastian

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same haha

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

It was getting late in the day. I was heading to another spot but would have been too dark by the time I got there.

Floss your teeth? 🤣 I was flying my Megabee in my house yesterday, got too close to myself and hit my arm, it flipped up and totally torn up my arm like a vicious dog. With the ducts on! Still use caution with these ducted whoops.

@JotaFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Deactivate the airmode ;)

@erlandfpv

3 жыл бұрын

I'm kinda use only acro mode for cinewhoop, not airmode

Review the DJI version if you can, please.

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

it's gonna be the same just with DJI on board. I have two other DJI ones on the way...

Ill never get why they make the ducts so tall it adds weight and removes agility wouldn't it be much more efficient if they were as the prop pitch?

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

anything around the props kills performance but yeah they were just trying to fill out the box structure of the quad I guess.

Have a read on the Stumax Aircraft SM110-52 edf system owners manual (stumaxaircraft.com). I build an 1950's Brittisch research jet Fairey Delta2 with this system a few years ago which shows the hydro-aerodynamics theory in static and flight . Noise level of this high power drive system is remarkable low. Vdo footage in on my channel. Last jet I build was the GlosterG40 (maiden footage at my channel too) which is by far the lowest noise output you will ever find (45dB surrounding noise, 54dB propulsion noise at 7 metres distance). These drive systems have been fine tuned in flight, not statically bench tested. Takes about 6 years fine tuning edf jets to get this silent and efficient. When you place an intake ring on the shroud you will gain a lot more efficiency and lift! Have a browse on the coanda effect to understand aerodynamic limmitations of this concept BUT it's quite ideal for cinematic footage. I have been flying edf (electric ducted fans) jets from 1999 which is a great area to explore and basically the same challenges as quads the power/weight ratio is a very thin line to do it right. I am still the only one to hit 300kmh with 650W input power where others need 3+kW. I'm highly amazed this technology hasn't been used in our whoops to yet. Ducted fans have better efficiency over open prop systems if engeneered right. The prop clearance you described is needed to cancel out tip turbulence coming from the airflow sticking to the shroud. The clearance is important for efficiency. BTW. 3 blade rotor and 3 fin stator is the loudest combo possible but very efficient if done right for high speed, not so for static thrust (Uriah-BU footage). Nice review!

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it'll probably take quite a bit longer to reach that point

Might as well make 3d props for it. Might be kool

Next Quad from Kabab: "The Brace" A next generation Cinewhoop that is very lightweight and efficient 😂

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Na they'll always be inefficient. I'm going after more of a utility design

Where can i get these props?

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

The gemfan duct props? I'm sure they're available many places. They're okay I guess. Regular 3" props work well in there too

@leitonk23

4 жыл бұрын

KababFPV thanks a lot! Happy New Year! From Russia with ❤️

really shocked they would put this one out. it just seems like..just heavy overkill.

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

I was really impressed with how well it performs even with all the heft

@Sully365

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kabab considering how much i like diatone, i'm glad to hear it flies well, i think i'm just not onboard with the 14xx cinewhoop quads

@tehllama42

4 жыл бұрын

Crazy option - for somebody that just has experience flying a TInycock, but wants something to fly outdoors, this isn't that bad an option. Much wider market.

@Sully365

4 жыл бұрын

@@tehllama42 funniest typo of the day.

@theDudeAbid3s

4 жыл бұрын

@@tehllama42 lol, waiting for the power stick tinycock II myself.

This is quite interesting. From what I understand about ducts the tip of the prop needs to be as close to the inside of the duct as possible for efficiency, the gap on this one is quite large. That might also explain why it’s very loud. In jet engines the tips of the blades are very close to the engine shroud. Jet engines have a system called Active Clearance Control which dynamically controls the tip turbine clearance. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_tip-clearance_control Why are cinewhoops taking over the world now? What’s so special about them?😛

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Nothing special about them at all. They're just something different that China is taking for a ride. Nothing else happening that they can obviously develop around sort of....

This is what Porsche wanted to build

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

🙈😂😂😂🤣

I am between this model, the bumblebee and the megabee, and I have no idea if you hated this model or loved it haha

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly neither. Wait for all the new frames and build your own

@SolidousMdz

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kabab sorry my text was incomplete, I am actually going to build it so I can just replace the frame later, do you think there are better frames coming?

Your duct theory sounds like how EDFs work on planes. You have to think about 3 seconds ahead for throttle on EDFs because they spool up and down slowly and you certainly not expect the throttle to get you out of a low stall. Which is annoying because EDFs are normally heavy and unstable planes

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Wow really? Yes that's exactly what it's like and what I was thinking!

Wait for bumblebee from iflight👍🏻

@Skankhunt-42-

4 жыл бұрын

Not as good imo. The front end protection is far superior in this quad which is important when you run expensive dji gear and its ease of maintenance is better. The iflight has solid plates and looks like 10-15 screws to access anything. I'd happily take a few extra grams for a better design especially as I only record with the air unit so for me it's way lighter than having a GoPro on top. I have a 4s megabee at the moment but going to be building the taycan for 6s. Iflight make good gear but I think they're design is falling behind on this one.

@kalinkha

4 жыл бұрын

Dale Pattison bumblebee looks more solid to me😅 after frame release on both i can check pros n cons but atm ordered reptile cloud with molded ducts. Also my build will be cheater kwad, iflight design front n rear is same but like i said if i see more pros on either will choose👍🏻

The mean thing is that these things can fly as a wing at super low low speed and stay locked in For me, it is more a plane in super slowmotion 😂 Then just exploring around like a 12 year old mental age boy is super satisfacting 😎

@BlackBirdFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Also you get LOT BETTER performance with flight time and agility by using bull nose props like iflight does or dalprop that are larger at the very end The larger the props, the more quiet is the cinewhoop 😁

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Have you tested StanFPV ducts?

@BlackBirdFPV

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kabab for this kind of model with bumper?

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

@@BlackBirdFPV na just a typical cinewhoop with ducts.

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

@@BlackBirdFPV what's most intesting is that this bumper duct design somehow makes significantly more thrust than most other ducts. It's also the loudest thing I've ever heard.

I flight bumblebee?

I think the point of these are to fly very slow and get those cinematic shots.

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Yep

Flying brick!

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Yep but it still flies. Sort of. It's enough to serve it's purpose.

Aaaaand toothpick 3 now on banggood! XD

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Really? 😔

@nasone32

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kabab yeah Fonster kpro125 sorry mate.

@nasone32

4 жыл бұрын

I assume the K of kpro stands for Kabab

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

😔😔😔

Completely off topic but have you heard of JAES? They make motors among other things. Seems like an untapped resource.

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

hmmmmm....

Looks like the 6S version is a must. Still a great looking frame though.

Worst nails on chalkboard sound I have heard from a quad to date was trying to run 6040 Cyclone props in reverse on a 3D build. Straight to your bones "most annoying sound in the world"

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Oh damn this quad is right up there with the most obnoxious sounding things around.

take away moments "take care floss you teeth"

Another copy of an original frame but still enjoyed your video as always

@MKST-CA

4 жыл бұрын

Copy what？if need，we can share the original designer statement publicly，it's completely different stuff，please dont mess up with “copy+clone”.

Diatone makes their price look cheap because the have no receiver so once you buy a good receiver the price is the same then any other company...

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that sort of is annoying.

:)

3:00 wtf whats your goal here😂😂 Stop being mad at that tree

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

🙈 to see if it falls out the sky

You've given a really good representation of an exaggerated version of what an overweight quad feels like lol

@nonplayercharacter9653

4 жыл бұрын

Great video though bro. Really points out the differences in what you would want from a cinewhoop vs a regular quad

Great quad. But i'm disappointed when i see a clever design stolen by chineese companies. Because the original design is from a french pilot/designer Laurent Athenol Aka FrameConcept.

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

So I've learned. However diatone are actually one of the good guys if you can believe it. They really are.

@in2theair67

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kabab iFlight BumbleBee made a cooperation with the french guy : What if you take our popular MegaBee frame and optimize it in every detail? You get the BumbleBee! The whole was frame reduced to a mini mum size, mini mum weight, achieved a 142mm diagonal motor distance. We've also added a new bumper approach in cooperation with Laurent Athenol (Frame-Concept).

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

@@in2theair67 I will investigate this

the shape of these ducts looks like shit

@Kabab

4 жыл бұрын

😂