Thank you Diamond! The price of avgas is insane in Hawaii.

@tonytrujillo1145

2 жыл бұрын

Where you at in Hawaii I’m on Oahu flying out of Hnl

@MichaMazaheriMittsh

11 ай бұрын

Probably still half the price vs. Europe ;)

Climb performance? Cruise speed? Useful Load? Max Gross Weight? 90 minute endurance at what speed? We need more details, Diamond!

@stevenscalling

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a start. First they will be used for short distances for business people going from one city to another.

@andrew20190

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenscalling I'd guess this is more likely aimed at flight schools. 90 minutes is a perfect endurance for many introductory lessons, and 20 minutes for charging between students is pretty acceptable (especially given the wait times for a normal fuel truck). If the noise is reduced and lead emissions eliminated, training operations will more acceptable to the community nearby the airport (who otherwise are experiencing to high noise on touch and go practice).

@aisu8481

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrew20190 potentially - but I’m not sure how the 30 minute reserve FAR is going to play out with this.. Or the 45 for night flight

@samsungreceipt

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrew20190 it is a trainer. It’s based on the DA40 which is squarely aimed at training. It’s a design concept which won’t be certified for 2-3 years. There won’t be flight characteristics until this is complete.

@zujiahuang8454

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrew20190 But with the entire propulsion system being totally different from piston, I wonder how well it would work as a trainer? Unless it has the ability to "mimic" piston engine behavior

Wow 90 minutes! That’s a good start.

Holy crap, I'm stoked!

This sounds sweet. We need innovation to bring flight to the future

Für Platzrunden und kurze Überlandflüge mag das gehen. Dort, wo die Lade-Infrastruktur vorhanden ist. Dennoch bleibt nach wie vor die Physik gültig: Energiedichte von Batterien (auch der besten und effizientesten Batterien) liegt Faktur 50 unter der Energiedichte von Kohlenwasserstoffen. Darüber hinaus fliegen Elektroflieger die meiste Zeit mit jeder Menge Totmasse (Batterie ohne Ladung); kann man achselzuckend ignorieren, aber es ist halt wie bei Elektroautos: man schleppt die meiste Zeit vollkommen sinnlose, energiefreie Masse mit sich rum. eFuels aus Windparks, deren Strom direkt vor Ort genutzt wird, um stabile Energiebindung in Kohlenwasserstoffen zu synthetisieren, wären eine Alternative, die keinerlei Umstellung bei den Tanks, den Maschinen, dem Energiemanagement und der Sicherheitsvorkehrungen bei Flugunfällen erfordert (Stichwort Brandschutz und Kurzschluss-Sicherung bei Crash-Landungen und Löscharbeiten). Also: als Schulungsflugzeug auf Plätzen mit entsprechender Lade-Infrastruktur mag das gehen; auf einen Streckenflug würde ich mit dem Teil nicht gehen.

I'm curious how the battery life will mesh with the FAA regulations on reserve fuel? For gas planes, you need enough fuel for your intended destination plus 30 minutes (daytime) of reserve based on typical cruising speeds. Will they require 30 minutes reserve battery capacity? If so, that makes this 60 minutes of flight time presumably under optimal conditions and loads. Will be a tough sell. Great to see the technology developing but it has a way to go before it's ready for real-world flying.

@thorium9503

Жыл бұрын

Most likely going to be a trainer that sticks near the home airport.

@kaasmeester5903

Жыл бұрын

@@thorium9503 That's how it is pitched on the Diamond site: a circuit trainer with low operating costs, for flight schools. IIRC the 90 minutes flight time is excluding the 30 minutes reserve, but they aren't there yet; this will be the endurance "eventually"

@MichaMazaheriMittsh

11 ай бұрын

For pattern work, EASA rules are only 10 minutes of final fuel reserve: (NCO.OP.125 Fuel and oil supply - aeroplanes) "for 10 minutes at maximum continuous cruise power at 1 500 ft (450 m) above the destination under VFR by day, taking off and landing at the same aerodrome/landing site, and always remaining within sight of that aerodrome/landing site"

@Xatzimi

3 ай бұрын

Preliminary specs claim a 1.2 hour endurance. If it's anything like the Pipistrel Electro, that does not include the additional 30 minute reserve. Both are advertised as pattern trainers, but still must meet the reserve requirement. Especially Diamond, as they are seeking full FAA certification rather than the exemption Pipistrel recently received

We're excited to get our hands on one for testing and training in Australia!

@fjmoutdoors6263

Жыл бұрын

Do you know if there is one of these in mt beauty as of now as I feel like I saw one fly over due to it being extremely quiet and looking extremely similar

Seus aviões são simplemente lindos !

Good work fellas. Electric Planes are the future, in about 5 years they WILL be able to use battery tech that can keep a plane up like this one that will have the range of a standard plane now. MMWs. 🛩🛩🛩

@Xatzimi

3 ай бұрын

I'm really glad a manufacturer with experience like Diamond is trying to tackle this problem. I hope they are the future, but battery technology may never improve at the scale to make electric planes viable for cross country and ownership. There are a lot more technical problems to solve vs cars, and aerial regulations strongly get in the way of better designs.

Up to 90 minutes if you baby it.

@CrossWindsPat

2 жыл бұрын

This isnt a race car, its a trainer. Your gonna use full power to take off, then cruise around and do stalls or patter work. Honestly if you are "thrashing" an airplane you shouldn't be flying.

@majorchungus

2 жыл бұрын

@@CrossWindsPat I would buy it if it could do a solid 1hr flight at cruising speed with a solid 30 minute reserve. Just saying. There are alot of places I can reach with something that could hopefully do 100kts.

I am excited for electric innovation in aviation! However there are a number of significant obstacles to viability. 1. Battery technology. Improvement is an asymptotic, not exponential, curve. Breakthroughs have been teased for the last 5 years and will be for the next 5, but ultimately they will reach a plateau which will still leave the range lacking. 2. Charging infrastructure. It is hard enough to find electric car charging sometimes, and will be harder still for aircraft. Car charging is often installed as an incentive to frequent a commercial establishment, and the same case is not likely for airports. 3. Engineering limitations. Batteries are heavier than fuel tanks, even if the motor is lighter. Conventional planes place fuel in the wings, but due to battery weight, doing the same would overwhelm the load factor. For this reason, most designs place them in the fuselage. This not only limits space for batteries, it eliminates space for pilots and passengers as well! In addition, fuel is burnt off during flight, reducing weight which batteries cannot do. 4. Regulatory limitations. Besides electric motors being banned by the FAA as of the time of writing. Much like the above point, the best design for on electric plane has little to do with the best traditional GA design. It is much more efficient to feature numerous small propellors or ducted fans than one large single engine. However, this would thet push the design into the space of multi-engine, a niche with which current electric planes can compte even less. MOSAIC does not go far enough to consider this: in my opinion electric planes should be exempt from a single engine requirement especially as the risk of an electric motor failure is far remote. In contrast, there are also a large number of benefits to electric aircraft that should not be forgotten! 1. Extremely cheap operation. Compared to avgas prices, electricity might as well be negligible. In addition, electric drivetrains are far more mechanically simple and as such require vastly less maintenance, including on the 100-hour. With a low enough entry price, this will make them much more tempting to new owners (such as myself). 2. Quiet operation. Of course this is just considerate neighbourliness, however that in itself may substantially benefit GA. Airports are prime real estate to get closed and redeveloped, and noise is often cited as a complaint for housing. Reducing the volume leads to a better perception of GA. 3. Mechanical simplicity and creative design. With the simplicity of electric motors, more creative designs can be attempted. We see this with the rise of eVTOL startups. VTOL operation with conventional cruises makes operation even simpler and more accessible. Plus we don't know about what hasn't yet been tried. 4. Getting the lead out. Lack of emissions should be obvious. In my personal opinion, the best solution to address these problems while maintaining the benefits would be a hydrogen fuel cell drivetrain. This technology is dying because it truly does not make sense for cars; however it matches the considerations of aviation much more readily.

The carbon footprint will still be greater than an old cessna 152...............

@CrossWindsPat

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong... That myth has been busted so many times already. That Cessna is burning fucking lead, not to mention fossil fuel. This plane will equal the carbon footprint of that Cessna in 5-10 years MAX. Probably faster if its a trainer being used a lot.

90 minute flight time is concerning.

@AndreBSaba

2 жыл бұрын

Its just the beginning

@CrossWindsPat

2 жыл бұрын

It is but this is the infancy. Its enough to do pattern training and some maneuvers in the nearby training area. I do agree though it is too short for anything but a trainer. But just like Andre said, this is just the begging. 10 years from now mark my words battery capacity will have doubled and they are easy to swap in new batteries.

I think an electric aeroplane would be a good idea for landing trainings and aerodome traffic patterns in flight trainings.

Nice! 90 minutes is great for flight schools. One day all recreational aircraft will be driven by electric motors, the operational costs and MTBF is so much lower than gas or diesel piston. Even if the electric motors are driven by mini Jet-A APUs or hydrogen fuel cells it still reduces the complexity by a few hundred moving parts. No more total engine overhauls.

@PendeltonWhiskey

2 жыл бұрын

90 minutes would be a great island to island commuter plane here in the San Juan islands

@swebigmac100

2 жыл бұрын

you need 30 mins as reserve so actual flying is only 60 minutes.

I wonder how many airports are actually going to have one of the chargers.

@yacahumax1431

2 жыл бұрын

In cars, all you need is a 220 plug. Not a big deal. But definitively something that will need to happen. Now a days I can go to many hotels with chargers. I am sure many small airports could install at least 1 or 2.

@CrossWindsPat

2 жыл бұрын

certainly not that mobile one but a 220v outlet and an 50 foot cable would get the job done in an hour or so. Plenty of time in my eyes between students and ground school.

@ElectricPlaneGuy

Жыл бұрын

There are 5 active electric aircraft chargers at airports in Australia already, by the time the Dimoand arrives here we will have around 15. By the end of the decade, it will be in the realm of 30.

Only 90 mins of flight? Looking like a trainer more

@ibgarrett

2 жыл бұрын

Yup - with most training flights being around 1.1 to 1.2hrs and a 20 minute recharge time that's totally perfect for a flight school.

90mins ain't smack

Thank you!

I wouldn't fly this thing out of the pattern lol.

People need to realized that this will of course not match the traditional engine This is just small step to the future we need to start somewhere

Need a version with wings that will rotate to lengthwise to put into a trailer that can be taken across country. Such wings would also make it easier to ship fully assembled eDA40s in containers throughout the world without having to install wings at destination. Those rotating wings would also simplify indoor storage at FBO. A more practical powered need would be 2 hours to accommodate FAA minimum reserve capacity requirements and better cross country flight training. Make the above and I'll buy the first one.

One of the great things about a Diamond aircraft is the low likelihood of a post-crash fire. I am wondering if the same would apply to this electric unit.....

@SnowAndrews

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely.

Be great for pattern training.

Nice! The future is, definitely, electric!

I want one! I'm curious how the charging infrastructure will work though. Do you need the mobile charging system to do the 20 min charge? Can you charge it off of a standard 120V or 240V socket?

@SteveZimmermannAtHome

2 жыл бұрын

Fast DC charging will require either a high-power mains connection (guessing about 300 kW, based on the 20 minute stated charging time and the 90 minute claimed flight duration), or a charging station with an internal battery storage capability of its own.

Appreciate the honesty, but those are crappy stats. Only 2000 cycles? 90 minutes (without considering battery degradation) of flight time?

Wonderful 💖

Why do I need to sync my data to the “epic” cloud for this one?

@mattk741

2 жыл бұрын

So you can play games like Fortnite on the Epic Games server's.

The electric aircraft are getting there, not sure you have one of those chargers follow you though. They will be a big hit when the real world range doubles and you can charge without a truck. Can you imagine the queue at the airport?

@stevenscalling

2 жыл бұрын

We have to start somewhere. Getting forward step by step

@thengine7

2 жыл бұрын

It won't get there without a lightyear leap in technology. Notice the video said "up to" 90 minutes. I'm guessing that the real endurance is a little bit less.

@soaruk3697

2 жыл бұрын

​@@thengine7 YEP and the advances and gains in battery technology are slowing down........

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very nice!!!!!

any dates of first flight and pre-order?

@line-uppilot1038

2 жыл бұрын

just found it out by myself: Initial flights of the eDA40 are scheduled for Q2 2022. Certification is expected in 2023.

Epic!!!

This is a good start but it needs at least an additional 30 minutes for reserve to make a purchase worthwhile for me.

@jordancollins7714

2 жыл бұрын

Dont worry Bob you won't be buying one any time soon.

90 minutes? That’s it?

Interesting I was this planes apprentice mechanic.

Perfect

Where do you fly this?

Would rather use the back seats for more batteries and have a useful two seater. Any chance?

Alternators must sit in for all carburators and injection systems 😅 as an avionic tech. im looking forward to learn system

YOOOOOOOOO🔥🔥🔥

love it! Great direction!

Amazing and the Future

It's a good start..... but good luck getting the FAA to approve anything similar to that.

@rnwn

2 жыл бұрын

This is already approved kzread.info/dash/bejne/gnqmpJaxacqsoso.html

wow!

A typical fossil fuel powered aircraft gets lighter and thusly more efficient as it burns off fuel load. An electric aircraft will always weigh the same.

Any information about the price?

PPL training is going to be more affordable with electric/hybrid aircraft

@CrossWindsPat

2 жыл бұрын

Big time. Fuel and engine maintenance are easily the biggest cost of airplanes. Also no Co2!!! its a WIN WIN WIN!!!

@jordancollins7714

2 жыл бұрын

No it wont.

Is this charged by CCS? Whats the battery capacity and exact charging Speed?

excellent solution to reduce costs? I do not know, the cost of operating the batteries and related equipment required, I do not think it will cost less the hour of flight

@CrossWindsPat

2 жыл бұрын

hahaha what cost? The only high cost is the upfront cost. Maintenance on the power train is non existent. Trainer planes rack up hours like nothing else. These will pay themselves off in a few years and even if they lose 20% of thier battery capacity (which these days is pretty unlikely) it would still have enough charge for patterns and maneuver training.

How is this a viable option for flight schools ? It's incapable of completing even the basic cross country requirements for most curriculum

Very poggers

Would be interesting for the battery to be removable so you could take it home for charging

@PistonAvatarGuy

2 жыл бұрын

You'd need a forklift.

@koborkutya7338

2 жыл бұрын

There has been such a concept, 1x in the airframe and 2x on charger they could manage continuous training (takeoff-pattern-land) whole day. And that was years ago, I thing it might have been Yuneec or something like that, they had a demo plane.

Will you be able to do batt swap?

@CrossWindsPat

2 жыл бұрын

No reason you shouldn't be able to. Especially seeing as how they just slapped the battery under the belly of the plane. Best part is when 10 years from now, if a battery with twice the energy density is available, as long as it keeps the same voltage it can be swapped in with no electric modifications at all.

What kind of maintenance is required?

@CrossWindsPat

2 жыл бұрын

The same required from the power train of an electric car, AKA NONE!!! Its a single moving part and electric motors last FOREVER if they are well built. Best believe if its going into an airplane its gonna be well built.

@18robsmith

2 жыл бұрын

I would guess there will be some - prop & its immediate drive, bearing lube on the engine being the most obvious. (In addition to all the usual airframe stuff)

A little hydrogen tank on this one and it goes 900 minutes :)

@CrossWindsPat

2 жыл бұрын

a"little" hydrogen tank has to withstand insane pressure to hold enough hydrogen to be useful, so it ends up being quite heavy. Also making hydrogen is very hard, its expensive and it really doesn't like to be stored.

Owners will face Major Overhaul prices every 10 years when their batteries degrade and need replacing, to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars

Its cool but with electric propulsion... they had such liberty to aerodynamicize the front end. Its got the same nacelle design as the ICE version which is horridly un aerodynamic. It will definitely hurt performance, and with limited energy on board I can't see that being good for success. Doesn't matter if it's just intended for training or not, I think they need to redesign the front nacelle. Landing gear should be aero covers too or made to be retractable. It all counts in e-aviation.

Wait and see! Useful? Needed? Price?…by now it is interesting to develop this, to see what’s possible. But for daily use? By now, an expensive game toy to people who like this e plane stuff.

@CrossWindsPat

2 жыл бұрын

Its gonna be aimed at training schools. Right now battery capacity just isn't there for x/c but electric fits perfectly in as a trainer. Not to mention a ridiculously lower running cost.

The future is here

@soaruk3697

2 жыл бұрын

Nope still 20-30 years away............

why all Electric vehicles are so damn cute?

Only 90 minutes of flight time is both pathetic and impractical. It would cost more in power bills than fuel, and you get less flight time.

So 90 min flight time? And FAA requires 30 min remaining during the day, 45min remaining at night. So that's 60 min flight time minus TTL. And what cruise speed? 145kts like the regular DA40? Doubtful. And then what of useful load? Currently my DA40 is 860lbs, and after 50 gal of fuel, that drops to 560lb, already not ideal for a 4 seat aircraft. This would likely be less, considering the additional weight of the battery. The increased weight adds to engine load further reducing range. Like the guy who posted below, I wouldn't ever take this plane out of the pattern. I love Diamond and my DA40. They are great and beautiful aircraft, but this is just stupid. - 2005 DA40 owner/operator

@tobydhooghe3003

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah fine, estimate 110mph. If cals are correct 90 flight time gear has to be fixed solar like stemme is possible, balance battery, weight distribution; so then less everyday carbon fuel: there has too be a back up engine one Pilot, one Copilot a passenger but less payload logically.

really????? Real all Electric??

Haha xD

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