Flying the JMB Aircraft VL3
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The head-turning, speedy, and capable VL3 from JMB Aircraft can be flown in the US as an experimental, though this European import must be de-tuned to qualify as a LSA. It illustrates what might become possible when light rules are updated.
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I don’t know what’s more impressive, the performance of this airplane or how much technology has advanced that I thought the opening clip was from Microsoft Flight Simulator.
@T25de
2 жыл бұрын
^^
@Funandflysavannah
2 жыл бұрын
Great kzread.info/dash/bejne/gJpsk8Z9l8LXepc.html
Looks like the P51 from the side, I think that’s why it so attractive to me.
By Odin's beard! That is a serious work of art with impressive performance. I could fly to Salt Lake in 1.5 hours and right around $50 in fuel. Aircraft like this would fuel ( no pun intended...maybe) serious growth in the G.A sector in the U.S. Freaking regulations are stifling innovations.
@Max_Janszen
2 ай бұрын
Yeah hopefully they open things up with MOSAIC, still waiting 2 years later
Really like the rotax engine simply from a price point. Nice to see it in high performance application.
Really impressed by this performance. There’s a lot of innovation in these VL3 Evolution. Congrats !
That is a beautiful aircraft!
Gorgeous, functional and economical. A rarely seen combination of traits.
Anyone else having flashbacks to the original Lancair 200/235? Way back in the day. That was 100/115 horse too.
@maniagokm3186
2 жыл бұрын
Thats exactly what I thought this was.....
@TheIndyspace
2 жыл бұрын
It's not exactly like anyone is re-inventing the wheel here, is it..? 👌😜
@alexdarcydestsimon3767
Жыл бұрын
Funny as it is... The VL3 is now tested with a turboprop ...
@alexdarcydestsimon3767
Жыл бұрын
@@TheIndyspace ;-)
Wow, that is gorgeous!
Looks like a winner. Efficient, quick and good looking.
Lets go MOSAIC! haha really aren't asking for too much, c'mon FAA! Great video AOPA
Wait, the FAA is restricting innovation?? Ya don’t say.
@TheIndyspace
2 жыл бұрын
It actually goes against their charter for them to provide so much restraint, but that hasn't slowed their roll at all... 😔👎
@alexdarcydestsimon3767
Жыл бұрын
;-)
That is a NICE looking airplane!
What a beautiful aircraft, I love it
Beautiful views and plane !!!
Very nice design!
Man! That looks like a WWII FIGHTER! NICELY DONE ✅
That man is right, It is a work of art. I love this plane.
I'd love to own one one day, it looks good!
Now i want this such a beauty
man, that's a good lookin' plane. It's like a modern slick high speed personal cruiser version of the P-51. I wonder if they'll ever go certified, then they can go bigger, just scale that up... and more power. That looks like it can handle a lot more TAS than it's doin' now. Nice.
@andrewmorris3479
2 жыл бұрын
You should see it with the Turbotech turboprop now!
@dufonrafal
Жыл бұрын
The Rotax 916is 160hp will soon be available, 200kts and 2600fpm climb.
“this is the first one in the US…and they’ve really taken off” 🥁Bada-dum! Thank you, I’ll be here all week! 🙋🏻Tip your waitresses!
@mauriceevans6546
2 жыл бұрын
Four in the 🇺🇸
@Funandflysavannah
2 жыл бұрын
Good kzread.info/dash/bejne/gJpsk8Z9l8LXepc.html
that is a beautiful sport plane.
Beautiful plane. Faster than a Bristell. Hope FAA does let this be a lsa aircraft
@cholubaz
2 жыл бұрын
It has retracts and is too fast for LSA isn't it?
@pazmanyflyer1
2 жыл бұрын
@@cholubaz With current LSA rules...yup.
@JoeCnNd
11 ай бұрын
I'm thinking america light sport just got way better.
Pretty impressive plane - when will the FAA rules / regs ever get updated?
Loved all of the descriptive comments at the beginning, pity he missed the most important one tho, Affordable. If only they were . . . But I’ve always been a dreamer they say, oh well lol
@PiefacePete46
2 жыл бұрын
Well... as me ol' mate Meatloaf said: "Two out of three ain't bad!" Maybe "Yer gets what yer pays for" applies? It certainly looks good enough to eat!
One Beautiful bird
Nicest UL plane ever and very high quality. Made in Czech Republic, Europe.
i fly it a lot inmfsf 2020 i love it that it is an standard plane
Looks amazing. Still fighting with the FAA to get my medical for GA. It'd be nice not to need that for private flights.
What are the restrictions to travel and general use when bringing the VL3 in as an exhibition experimental?
I just saw this exact plane (registration N915VL) in Tampa and talked to the current owner that bought it, who is the one that flew most of it's 600 hours or so working for JMB
I really would like to fly this one.
@awol2019
2 жыл бұрын
You can in 6-10 months . That's the delivery time .
@lars9966
2 жыл бұрын
@@awol2019 And if u havev 200k laying around
This aircraft is both beautiful and exciting I'm in my 40s, and by the time I'll be able to afford one, I'll be well into my 50s. I hope the FAA continues to improve the Sport Pilot program and get rid of some of these silly restrictions. We shouldn't need more than an endorsement from a CFI to use retractable landing gear, or to go faster than 120 knots.
As a Brit has been quite obvious to me for a long time that the FIA does a great job in killing the light sport market in America. America is supposed to be a land of freedom yet clearly this does not extend to the sky. If America is to produce innovative and competitive product in this sector then the industry needs to be unshackled from having to comply with all these arbitrary rules less the next new design be yet just another cub variant. Let’s not forget that the east of Europe has a legacy of talented designers and engineers left over from soviet days who at this time still serve a cost base much lower than America’s so really the FIA should be giving the home grown market as much elbow room as it can.
@tropicthndr
2 жыл бұрын
This is straight out (Textron) preventing these planes from flooding the U.S market, they lobbied the feds to keep them out because it makes their Stone Age designed piston market look really stupid. Allowing these planes to compete with Cessna and Bonanza’s would mean huge investments in redesign to maintain a leadership role. They can’t force insurance companies to charge high fees like they do for all Textron brands but for a tiny plane the rates have to be lower so Textron is crying.
@Jkur2009
2 жыл бұрын
@@tropicthndr Dude, what are you talking about?? textron is preventing the import of European aircraft??? maybe you should tell companies like pipistrel and technam.
@Jkur2009
2 жыл бұрын
You are correct, the FAA sucks. All they want to do is create more restrictions.
@PuppyDogPilot
2 жыл бұрын
What is the FIA? And someone who lives in a country that still worships and supports a monarchy should not lecture anyone on freedom.
This plane is a very beautiful plane. Please I would like technical details and price information. VL3 . thanks.
That s a beauty.
good first plane? Looks amazing
Nice plane
Hopefully they'll offer a mirrored cockpit panel to fly with your right hand on the stick.
Such a sexy looking bird!
So what's keeping it from being certified under part 23? Is there any benefit to it being certified as an LSA to someone with all the appropriate ratings and medical to fly anything they want? I just want one. Haha
This one has 1800 nm range at 140kn cruise speed. That's in.sane.🤯🤯
194k @ 15.500. That’s very scary. With the turbine coming, even higher altitudes and airspeeds will be sought. Since flutter is a function of TAS, how has that been taken into account? What flutter studies have been done on this airframe and where could I see those studies? This is a plane I have had an interest in for a good while now and with the coming turbine option, I will almost certainly have one… all other things considered.
Beautiful plane! What is the price in the US?
Looks nice, but seems to me it was bouncing around pretty good even on this photoshoot. Maybe its just happenstance, but like a lot of LSA-type designs, it might not be a happy xc machine. Just a thought.
@lrowlands53
2 жыл бұрын
Flying is bouncing on air. If you don't like it, don't fly or aim for a C130, but they bounce too, just slower.
lol I fly this plane a lot in MSFS.
I've flown but never owned my own a/c (former Navy AT AIMD). If available, was younger... I'd buy this plane. Is there one in Texas? I'd pay for fuel for a ride! My fav plane to fly (sight-see) in MSFS.
How do you contact someone to have a closer look at this good looking aircraft. Can't seem to find a contact in the US to speak too. Thanks
The 1320 pound weight limit is silly, considering, we need any 2 seat aircraft to be large enough and structurally strong enough for 2 adult males, along with sufficient fuel and at least 50 pounds of cargo. 1600 seems a more reasonable number, since this JMB, Arion Lightning and others make all the numbers work effectively at about this weight. The ridiculously slow max stall speed required to meet LSA spec are dangerous. Such low wing loading means your aircraft behaves as a leaf in the wind, unless conditions are calm, especially during landing phase of flight. Allow retractable landing gear and inflight adjustable props an option via performance endorsements and drop the silly top speed limit. The most important design factor IMO, should be that the airframe has only 1 or 2 seats. If there is substantial cause for 3 or 4 seat LSA, provision that option, also via appropriate endorsement. Of course such logbook endorsements require formal training.
@speedomars3869
2 жыл бұрын
This aircraft IS NOT A LIGHT SPORT in the SLSA spec category. It has retractable gear and its cruising speeds are far too high. Doesn't matter about weight.
@Surestick88
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't the purpose of the light sport class pleasure flying? If you want an airplane that can be used for travel maybe you should get a PPL? It seems like building airplanes that would be considered high performance for light sport is a bit of mission creep of what the light sport rules were intended for.
@speedomars3869
2 жыл бұрын
@@Surestick88 The original promise of SLSA and light sport was to get CHEAPER aircraft. That promise never materialized...instead the higher priced products created a crush of a lack of capability and useful load for relatively obese and overweight middle-aged and older pilots. So now there is a hue and cry to expand the category to accommodate and justify the prices, fat pilots and speed so the aircraft can more readily be flown longer cross-country distances. When it comes to travel, people routinely fly Cessna 172s cross country...an aircraft not much faster or more capable than most light sport aircraft.
@kazansky22
2 жыл бұрын
This guy gets it!
@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891
2 жыл бұрын
To make it clear! The VL3 is a high performance Airplane with complexity in systems. Nothing for greenhorns and not trained low time pilots! You need training and kind of a type rating on this performance plane. Otherwise it will end in useless accidents. We here in Europe have 3-4 days training with the delivery process.
Looks great. Wonder if I would fit inside?
@georges.
2 жыл бұрын
I doubt it.
First seconds of the video I tought - that plane look like our neigbhours plane. 10 seconds of googling nad WOW - that plane is really czech plane. I saw it fly many times - really elegant and fast plane.
Hi, can I ask you on what speed and flight level you can get this fuel consumption 30 miles/gallon?
Sexy machine, for a fixed wing ;)
Wait, it has retractable landing gear. Cool!
Very nice aircraft indeed! Thankfully didn't try to squeeze it into the LSA's weight limit, which results in aircraft with very limited performance. What's the cost difference between the Rotax 912, 914 and 915 versions? The 915 is powerful enough to lift the 4-seater Sling-TSi, so a 2-seater with RG power by it will be FAST!
@johnwighton
2 жыл бұрын
It’s the same weight, 600kg. Efficiency via good design, carbon fibre construction. In the UK was have adopted the same 600kg weight limitation but the aircraft are classed as Microlights if they can demonstrate 45kt stall speed. LSA in the USA will evolve, hopefully to enable a global standard. We are already using ASTM requirements, in part.
Where can I buy one??
Está hermoso aunque sigo prefieriendo al BF109E4 y al BF109K4
I'd be really interested to see if this new US LSA set of rules comes to life what US companies can make to do "even more" than Europeans... Can be nice.
Aircraft Make & Model: 1984 Neibauer Lancer/Lancair 200 - N384L Length: 19 feet, 8 inches Wingspan: 23 feet, 6 inches Empty Weight: 650 pounds Gross Weight: 1,275 pounds Crew: 2 Powerplant: Continental O-200 Horsepower: 100 hp Cruise Speed: 192 mph Maximum Speed: 213 mph Range: 1,000 statute miles
Would love to have this as a wallpaper....any possibility to get some shots of this plane?
@Dzordzikk
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, no problem. Use Google images and put there JMB VL-3 915.
@Eltern10
2 жыл бұрын
@@Dzordzikk Thx, that's just what I did but I wasn't able to find any pictures of this specific plane. Just love the colour and design of this one.
@Dzordzikk
2 жыл бұрын
@@Eltern10 No chance, too new plane to see this exactly on GI.
What's the price? What the contact information for the manufacturer here in the United States or in the Zech Republic?
Whats the range at 195 knots?
@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891
2 жыл бұрын
About up to 600 Miles
Can these be imported to Australia? Anyone got a link to buy one?
About time the faa stopped restricting LSA weight, speed limit and engine requirements.
I want one right away!!!!😂🧿✈☝🏼🙋♂
Harika ya👌
How much?
niceeeeee
In all these videos in which it appears flying, there is a feeling of being very nervous and unstable.
This is the LSA speed rule, "A maximum airspeed in level flight with maximum continuous power (VH) of not more than 120 knots CAS under standard atmospheric conditions at sea level," It's speed at sea level not altitude. Have a throttle limiter that engages at low altitude and disengages at altitude, problem solved.
AKA Lancair 200.....circa 1985 ??
A beautiful plane and would be a joy to fly! I agree with others though, it doesn’t belong in LSA category.
@a.osunaiv6124
2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t take much to make a LSA version…
@mauriceevans6546
2 жыл бұрын
They already have a light sport version
The market leader. Is there anything better than this out there in this category?
@andrewmorris3479
2 жыл бұрын
Blackwing 915 is the best, Risen 915 is the fastest, the VL3 915 is definitely top 3.
@angela1984a
2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewmorris3479 Curious. What makes the Blackwing better than the VL3 915? Not sure I could personally come to terms with the looks of the Risen...
That is one pretty bird for sure. We can only hope the FAA loosens up the ropes on LSA here in the states ,it's definitely a travesty in my opinion.
@philv3941
2 жыл бұрын
Wich rules differs between ULM/EURO LSA and US LSA that can prevent a VL3 to be authorized ? I allways thought it was more easy in the US, less restrictive than by there in europe
@429thunderjet2
2 жыл бұрын
@@philv3941 have you checked out the light sport "rules"...? What's the big deal about speed w the FAA? and then weight? well, the new mosaic thing supposedly coming next year will possibly allow a higher gross weight, fadec control = electronic digital throttle, prop & mixture combined into one control. Max speed not sure. & some other stuff, probably not retractables though. I forget exactly now. So we'll see.
@philv3941
2 жыл бұрын
@@429thunderjet2 thx Dennis
@429thunderjet2
2 жыл бұрын
@@philv3941 you bet, check out Light Sport and Ultralight Flyer on you tube, Dan Johnson did a update on mosaic about two months ago, I'm going to have to revisit it myself.
@philv3941
2 жыл бұрын
@@429thunderjet2 i'll check, i believe you
I love this planes aesthetics. Very Lancair 320 inspired. However, what isn't mentioned here is the hefty price tag: 165-230k. Honestly that's pushing RV-10 area and that has 4 seats...or baggage if you are flying for 1-2.
@yooo7774
2 жыл бұрын
The one in Oshkosh was around 300k this year
@a.osunaiv6124
2 жыл бұрын
So?
@ToeTag1968
Жыл бұрын
If you're comparing on price alone, sure. Speed/range are pretty different.
Looks like a Cirrus with a hint of Mustang!
@speedomars3869
2 жыл бұрын
Laughing. Not even close. First it has a bubble canopy (hot). Second it has retractable gear, Cirrus is fixed. Third, it is half the speed of an SR22 or SR22T.
@normannutbar424
2 жыл бұрын
@@speedomars3869 well yeah, they’re the “hint of mustang” bits.
How do you get 194 knots when the never exceed speed or VNE is 183.5? If you’re using true airspeed say it. Real numbers would be nice.
Add a BRS and it might make it to #1 on my Christmas wish list!
@awol2019
2 жыл бұрын
BRS Parachute, included as standard equipment.
@ABC-rh7zc
2 жыл бұрын
@@awol2019 Thanks, I will let Santa know!
@speedomars3869
2 жыл бұрын
It has a BRS chute. Most Europ designs do.
I get 195 knots with my Velocity XLRG (4 place) and only slightly higher fuel burn (12 gph). If I slow down to 175 knots, I can burn 9 gph (Continental IO-550, 310hp)
@thatguyalex2835
2 жыл бұрын
While I don't fly planes, I love the mathematics and physics behind it (and the tech). May I ask how much fuel economy you get at 130 knots? If you get a higher efficiency at 130 knots, you might as well fly at that speed, unless you are on a tight schedule flying passengers and such. :) Do you fly passengers?
@andy347
2 жыл бұрын
@@thatguyalex2835 A Velocity is an Experimental category aircraft (Homebuilt) and you are prohibited from flying them for hire. My passengers are my friends and family. I haven’t slowed down that much, because what’s the point? The reason I got a Velocity was to get from point A to point B quickly and comfortably with four people at a reasonable cost.
@thatguyalex2835
2 жыл бұрын
@@andy347 Wow, that sounds pretty cool. :) I guess speed is in its name. I love experimental technology, and it is pretty awesome that it can be built as a kit/homebuilt. Since it is experimental, that means the FAA does not allow commercial flights with them, as you said?
@andy347
2 жыл бұрын
@@thatguyalex2835 correct
Everyone *knows* the VLA rules need updating, the question is what are we going to do about it? Is there any drive to petition the FAA? From what I read at least, even the FAA acknowledges this, but doesn't seem to have enough energy to overcome inertia. IFR capable - aren't *all* VLA prohibited from entering in to known IMC?
@hefeibao
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for others' comments - if it's registered as experimental you can fly IFR, but if not, not.
@mauriceevans6546
2 жыл бұрын
You can fly it IFR if you are a private pilot with ifr rating. Experimental not needed
@speedomars3869
2 жыл бұрын
Updating SLSA is different than what this plane represents. You will NEVER see LSA having retractable gear or constant speed props.
@mauriceevans6546
2 жыл бұрын
@@speedomars3869 that is exactly what mosaic is going to do for light sport in the expected rules change. Light Sport seaplane already have retractable gear. Higher weight, higher speed, retractable gear and constant speed prop
@speedomars3869
2 жыл бұрын
@@mauriceevans6546 SLSA sea planes can have retractable gear because they have floats. But they are still restricted to 1420 lbs (ICON A5 got an exception, one off), fixed pitch props, top cruising speed of 120kts and two seats.
So I dont need a vfr qual for this?
@georges.
2 жыл бұрын
What would make you think that ridiculous thing?
@a.osunaiv6124
2 жыл бұрын
Huh?
I never noticed that this plane has the same shape (almost) than a P51. Similar design, similar performances !!!
The US needs to catch up and even show the Europeans a few things.
@Walterwaltraud
2 жыл бұрын
U already do in better regs. This probably the only exception.
@Walterwaltraud
2 жыл бұрын
...is...
@speedomars3869
2 жыл бұрын
The US is ahead of this thing, are you kidding? Check out Velocity Aircraft. Faster, more capable and less money.
@awol2019
2 жыл бұрын
@@speedomars3869 You are correct. However , a person, may not have the time, skills , or space availability, to do a build.
@speedomars3869
2 жыл бұрын
@@awol2019 There are builders. But even among certified manufactuers at this level there are plenty of choices better than this thing... Remember, its a two seater and yes, it is fast, but it is a retractable and cannot be insured as such for most pilots that have no retractable time...and at this level of the market that means most of them.
This LSA Mustang, 😉..oh sorry, the LSA VL3 Experimental (in the US) is one of the best LSA/ Ultralight you can buy. Unmatched worldwide, strong quality built with high developed modern tech standards. The specs are really tough and outstanding. Must have in the two seater category. And yes I know, you get a used Cirrus Bonanza or C182 for this money, but that is in particular here not the point to compare. Totally different story.
@speedomars3869
2 жыл бұрын
This plane is not LSA. It is not certified and it is not a kit.
@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891
2 жыл бұрын
@@speedomars3869 if you can read my text carefully, you will see, I wrote an experimental aircraft in the US(!) and besides that it is an LSA/ Ultralight for fact in Europe! Where it comes from.
Think it cruises 200knots am more then sure. With rg obviously.
If the pilot is IFR rated and current, can this airplane be flown IFR? The voice-over description was somewhat murky in this regard. Also, any parachute like the Bristell?
@oisiaa
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Full IFR if properly equipped.
@andrewmorris3479
2 жыл бұрын
It has a chute.
@hefeibao
2 жыл бұрын
@@oisiaa I thought FAA prohibits LSA from flying in known IMC?
@oisiaa
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Is registered as experimental.
@oisiaa
2 жыл бұрын
@@hefeibao If it's registered as experimental you can fly IFR.
30mpg ? I'd like to hear more about that? Speed? Altitude? Flaps? RPM?
@andrewmorris3479
2 жыл бұрын
For instance, the Risen aircraft can do 200 knots true burning 6.8 GPH at 10,000ft. That’s 230 mph at 33.8 mpg.
Efficient?? Better look at a Varieze or a Long-EZ well above 30 mpg.
If the FAA would just let the turbo version be LSA I need 180kts +
If the FAA doesn't remove or dramatically reduce restrictions, it will only further hurt aviation domestically.
Didn't look over his shoulder when banking....oooops.
Cool plane. Really. If you are willing to write the company a check and then wait 1.5 years, hoping nothing happens to them.
Mini P-51...
Wonderful airplane with spectacular performance and low operating costs!! However, it can't accommodate a 1.95m pilot ;-(
Licensing this aircraft in the US as ‘Experimental Amateur Built’ would be in contradiction of FAA rules. The only way this aircraft could be operated in the US is as ‘Experimental Exhibition’ with the accordingly restrictive rules associated with such. The statement in the video about EAB is incorrect and misleading.
The pitot tube position doesn't look right.
All those FAA restrictions that Europeans don't have. In the "land of the free?" Funny stuff.
$330,000..... Zoiks!
iT iS fRoM eUrOpE.... It is from Czech Republic.