A video about errors in Ecclesiasticus may be viewed here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rHiLp9aIhdevgdI.html . My review of this edition: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d4FprNGJkqm0mpM.html .

@thelamb9306

Жыл бұрын

Do you know which book of Gods written word has written in it to the like All of the herbs and earbs of thee Earth are for man to eat and CONSUME ( Please if Ye can please help me find witch translation of God's written word has that written in it in such an way I would verily verily much appreciate it. )

@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool

9 ай бұрын

Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". . :)

@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool

9 ай бұрын

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 . :)

@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool

9 ай бұрын

@@thelamb9306🥧

@RGrantJones There may be a source here for the Apocrypha (yet not with 3 Maccabees). Perhaps it is the "King James Version w/ Apocrypha" module for the Bible software program e-Sword, as it matches 3 of the 4 errors: 1Ma 1:22 "crown" 1Ma 1:57 "committed" 1Ma 1:63 "the" I would not be surprised if Nelson just grabbed the free, open source "Sword project" files (a Bible software project which e-Sword came from) and barely edited the text against any actual print edition of the Apocrypha.

@RGrantJones

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing that information! Have you checked the two errors I mentioned in the earlier video (Wisdom 5.14, where the word 'ungodly' has been replaced by 'Godly', and Ecclesiasticus 11.17, where the word 'godly' has been replaced by 'ungodly')?

@user-rs6kn2ft6s

Жыл бұрын

@@RGrantJones Hah, and there you have it (with the software Book naming): Wisdom 5.14 For the hope of the Godly is like dust that is blown away with the wind; like a thin froth that is driven away with the storm; like as the smoke which is dispersed here and there with a tempest, and passeth away as the remembrance of a guest that tarrieth but a day. Sirach 11.17 The gift of the Lord remaineth with the ungodly, and his favour bringeth prosperity for ever. To recheck this info, the free software is: "e-sword" with a dot net address. Once within the program, the KJVA ("King James Version w/ Apocrypha") module can also be downloaded for free. BTW, thanks for all the info you have been providing. Your meticulous examinations of paper, fonts, and even translation quality are always something to look forward to.

@RGrantJones

Жыл бұрын

@@user-rs6kn2ft6s - thanks for that kind comment! So there's a connection between the apocrypha in this edition and the eSword module (Nelson relies on eSword, eSword is based on an earlier Nelson edition, or both are based on a third source), but, as you pointed out, some editing has been done. I just took at look at the eSword module for 2 Esdras 3.1, and it reads like the original and unlike the Nelson, so Nelson seems to have relied upon a different source for that book.

My New Cambridge Paragraph Bible will continue to be my KJV of choice. This one had potential, but Nelson needs to fix the typos and add back in the rest of the missing material (the preface and marginal notes) before I'm willing to consider it a legitimate option.

@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool

9 ай бұрын

Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". . :)

@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool

9 ай бұрын

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 :) .

so far I haven't seen anything wrong in the OT and NT, thank you for updating us. It is rare if any publisher makes a KJV with the apocrypha.

@RGrantJones

Жыл бұрын

I agree. As far as I can tell, the other 66 books don't show these deviations.

I haven't watched many of your videos in the past but really liked your BCP videos and have subscribed. So, you may have addressed this issue elsewhere. If I have given offense, please forgive me! The Nelson is a printing of a version of the 1769 revision of the KJV NOT the 1611--as are all others in the stores today--and that prior to David Norton's CAMBRIDGE PARAGRAPH BIBLE no truely accurate edition of 1611 has been published since 1877. To be honest, there is no one King James Version. Rather, there is a family of King James Versions. I think it was David Norton's textual history of the KJV which states that no two existing copies of the first edition of the 1611 are identical. Each and every page of these books has some slight discrepancy or slight wording or punctuation difference. While none of them in any way impact doctrinal orthodoxy, they do make any reference to THE King James Version problematic because the question immediately arises as to which copy is being referred to as the correct 1611 KJV and why.

Another one 😢 I'm so glad I didn't purchase this.

Judas Maccabeus would not be pleased! Haha. Seriously though, it's to be expected, especially when it's a new publication. Hopefully they'll rectify it for the next release.

Has anybody notified Thomas Nelson so that they can fix the typos?

@RGrantJones are there any good alternatives to this edition?. I was looking for a kjv with apocrypha with a modern typeface, footnotes for archaic terms, and updated spelling just like this edition; however the errors which have been found make it seem like it's not a good buy.

@RGrantJones

10 ай бұрын

Cambridge publishes a KJV with Apocrypha, but it's somewhat more expensive. The Third Millennium Bible, which I've reviewed somewhere on this channel, is a lightly modernized KJV with Apocrypha. I haven't examined it myself, but some seem to like the Cambridge New Paragraph Bible with the Apocrypha in the King James Version. Thanks for the question!

@Broken_ChainsM

10 ай бұрын

@@RGrantJones Thanks so much for the response! I actually just purchased the Third Millennium Bible, sadly it seems the company which produces it might have gone out of business; their website no longer exists and the contact phone numbers are disconnected.

Excited for that NCB review! I tried sharing the ISBN with you many months ago, but KZread never actually posted my comment no matter what I did. Glad that you got your hands on a copy!

@RGrantJones

Жыл бұрын

I started checking the 'held for review' comments recently, and I typically don't see any reason why KZread withheld them. Many of the comments I find there seem perfectly innocuous, civil and respectful. It's odd.

Thank you for teaching us so much

I believe Thomas Nelson published a KJV with Apocrypha including 3 Maccabees on behalf of The New Apostolic Church, Canada in 1990. I wonder if this is where this edition originated and TN forgot? Some years later they also published the NKJV with an expanded apocrypha(!), which I’ve long been curious about.

@Rob-sw3re

Жыл бұрын

Just to follow up: I managed to locate a picture of the last page of 3 Maccabees in the 1990 Nelson NAC edition on Worthpoint, and it seems to match the translation in this edition. Notably, it also lacks references, which would explain why they're missing in the Apocryphal books here.

@ricketyram3142

8 ай бұрын

When you refer to the expanded apocrypha of the Nelson-printed NKJV, are you referring to another New Apostolic Church bible with apocrypha, but as an NKJV instead of your previously mentioned KJV, or a non-NAC printing NKJV with apocrypha? If the former, I actually own a copy of the Nelson NAC NKJV with apocrypha including 3 Maccabees. If the latter, I would be very curious to find out about what this other bible is you speak of! :] Thank you for reading!

@Rob-sw3re

8 ай бұрын

@@ricketyram3142 the former, which sounds like the one you’ve got! Can you tell us any more about the volume and the translation of the apocryphal books? I’m curious! Do you know if it’s the same one used in the Orthodox Study Bible published by TN?

One of these I see clearly as a typo (the/they). Are the others typos or intentional choices in translation from Greek? I’m not familiar with how the Nelson edition was assembled, either referencing original source or solely an earlier KJV.

@RGrantJones

Жыл бұрын

You're right. It is possible that the other three were intentional. The first and third are less literal than the 1611 KJV, in my opinion. It's possible that the second follows a variant reading Rahlfs lists as being present in one manuscript. Perhaps I should use the term 'deviations' in the future.

In the first page of the apocrypha, 1 Esdras 1:5 there’s a typo as well, in the Nelson it reads “according to the several (dignities) of the families…” in every other KJV source it reads “according to the several (dignity) of the families…” The apocrypha section of this bible is an abomination😢

Hey brother thank you for the heads up with the typos with the Nelson Apocrypha / deuterocanonical books if you would do me a little favor I have the one The Nelson in your videos when you have discovered all of them list then in your last video concerning type O so I can go through a correct them all at once, I wouldn't trust anyone else but you, and I know you'll find them all. I have the new Catholic Bible, it was published in the Philippines and a very much looking forward to your review on how it measures up, compared to the other translations you have, thank you so much, I always look forward to your downloads. Thank you 🔥🤟⛪👨‍👩‍👧‍👦🇺🇸

@RGrantJones

Жыл бұрын

Larry - thanks for commenting. I'll try to remember to list all the ones I've found at some point. My impression of the New Catholic Bible so far is that it reads well, and it's somewhat free, a bit like the NIV. But I haven't scored it. That may take me some time.

At least these should be very simple fixes for a future reprint. Did they ever get back to you as to where they got their 3 Maccabees and 2 Esdras translations from?

@RGrantJones

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but they didn't have an answer. They've had them for a long time, but they don't know who translated them. Apparently, that history has been lost to corporate memory.

@chris_wick

Жыл бұрын

​@@RGrantJones I went through pretty much every English translation of 3 Maccabees between 1550 and 1900 or so and not a single one matches the pages you showed. Quite a mystery indeed

@user-rs6kn2ft6s

Жыл бұрын

2 Esdras was always a part of the KJV Apocrypha; going back to the 1611 edition, unlike 3 Maccabees. So in theory it should either conform to either of the print editions by Oxford or Cambridge.

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 .

@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool

9 ай бұрын

Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". . .

I have the NCB, and I refer to it from time to time. I look forward to your review. BTW, I was on the Anglican House Press website recently, and I saw that they have a new edition of the ESV with Apocrypha. It looks like it's a better quality edition then their previous edition, but it's also twice as much. I don't think I will buy it, but perhaps others would be interested in a review.

@RGrantJones

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know about the new Anglican House edition, James. From the description, it does sound higher in quality. I don't like that font size; but I may feature it in a video, even if I can't use it myself.

@jimmu2008

Жыл бұрын

@@RGrantJones what is the font size?

@RGrantJones

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmu2008 - the web site says 8 pt.

@jimmu2008

Жыл бұрын

@@RGrantJones I overlooked that, then. That is pretty small.

I have this edition too. Check out 2 Esdras and compare to the KJV. There are whole verses and sometimes bunches of verses that read like a totally different translation. Ex. 2 Esdras Ch. 14. Take a look at it. I've contacted Nelson about it, but they haven't sent me any explanation.

@RGrantJones

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I mentioned deviations in 2 Esdras in the full review video. My contact at Thomas Nelson told me that they've had this KJV Apocrypha text for some time, but he wasn't able to discover who made/altered it or when.

@todds253

Жыл бұрын

@@RGrantJones My apologies for missing your presentation on 2 Esdras. The text deviations along with the typos are very disappointing. Unfortunately, I believe that since they are getting some negative push back about all of this, it could possibly dissuade them from correcting these and publishing a corrected edition.

@RGrantJones

Жыл бұрын

@@todds253 - You have a valid concern. I hope it works the other way -- that they learn from this experience and publish a corrected edition. (The two errors involving the replacement of 'godly' with 'ungodly' and vice versa definitely should be corrected.)

@todds253

Жыл бұрын

@@RGrantJones Nelson has gotten back to me and their editors say that there aren't any typos (although I don't see how that could be said about the typo in 1 Macc 1:63). The editors said that these are in fact translation differences and not typos in the text of the Apocrypha and that Nelson is sorry for any confusion this may have caused. They added links to resources to validate their texts from Wisdom 5:14 and Ecclesiasticus 11:17 that you addressed in your previous video. Obviously they didn't verify their text with actual historical print copies of the KJV Apocrypha. Also, anyone reading these last two verses can see that they are wrong. The texts are not going to say that God rewards the ungodly with good and that the godly reap negative rewards. But the editors are apparently standing their ground for now. Here are the links: Wisdom: thekingjamesversionbible.com/wisdom-of-solomon-5-14 and Eccles. apocrypha.org/ecclesiasticus/11-17.htm

Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". . :) .

@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool

9 ай бұрын

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 . :)

They did a very poor job on this didn't they? No way I'd pick this trash up...

@RGrantJones

Жыл бұрын

I'd prefer not to scold the publisher too severely. I'd like to see Nelson correct the errors and try again.

@glenn1611

Жыл бұрын

It’s a car crash, but to be fair that’s rare for Thomas Nelson who are an excellent custodian of the KJV. I’m surprised they haven’t pulled this one off the shelves.

@nathanielwoon6037

Жыл бұрын

@@RGrantJonesI really wonder how they made these mistakes! Thanks for pointing them out to us!