Life pro tip : it's ok to appreciate both mj and LeBron..

@aj2563

3 жыл бұрын

AGREED. Appreciate basketball greatness, no need to constantly compare players against each other!

@chaddad4046

3 жыл бұрын

If more people just appreciated greatness instead of getting defensive over their favorite player, we would achieve world peace.

@Aash1r

3 жыл бұрын

I want to say this MJ had a better LEGACY and leBron had a better CAREER

@wallstreetzoomer

3 жыл бұрын

It's also ok to believe in facts, and say Jordan is better.

@sharifbrown3567

3 жыл бұрын

@@Aash1r Pretty accurate, I been saying that for years

Never forget that in the 2016 Finals, LeBron lead not just his team, but BOTH teams in Pts, Rebs, Asts, Blks, and Stls.

@kentonohio7614

2 жыл бұрын

That's when he became the goat

@michaelmilhizer688

2 жыл бұрын

I’m a lebron hater but that’s wild 🔥👍🏼

@utryping

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmilhizer688 Lol

@ParanoiaKeepsMeWake

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmilhizer688 lmaoo I like you. You just upfront with it. "Hey guys I'm biased but..." Shit made me laugh. Have a good one dog 🤣

@wadehook9576

2 жыл бұрын

Never forget how he gave up in Dallas…and San Antonio….never forget that moment not to mention ain’t that dude is why he cannot be even considered but if that was erased…he a Karl Malone that could run and jump….

What I love about this series is it doesn't just show every player playing perfectly. It's not a highlight reel. It shows them as players. Real players. You can see even the very best make mistakes.

@victorbrown3570

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing.

@TheBigforce25

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! As great as these peaks were even they made mistakes too!

Yea, 2012-13, after losing to the Mavs and training with Hakeem to develop postmoves, Bron was unstoppable. The chase down blocks were a thing of beauty. Rare to see an already dominate player improve their game that much. That’s why in his decline, he’s still one of the best. That says a lot about his prime.

@eddieungerer7185

2 жыл бұрын

I just wanted to come back to this comment, specifically because you said "in his decline". I don't blame you for thinking that at the time of making this comment, because I probably felt that way about him 8 months ago as well lol, but this season, he is striking some of the best form of his career period. It is absolutely inhuman and unheard of. He is inevitable and unimaginable. The greatest athlete I have ever seen, and his longevity is certainly a big part of it.

@PA-zt6xu

2 жыл бұрын

Yep what this guy didn't mention is Lebron would purposely let guard pass so he could chase down block them even in the half court. I also don't know why the video creator didn't mention him locking down Rose multiple times in the 4th. Matching him move by move. One last thing I am not sure this guy actually watched all the heat games. Because most know that the Heat would gradually turn up their defense as the game got closer to the end. They would do that because they did a lot of switching and played small ball. That was a way as to not burn out the players. So lebron may have gotten blown by in the 2nd courter. But that wasn't going to be a blow by in the 4th.

@BlueGrovyle

2 жыл бұрын

@@eddieungerer7185 I'd argue that's because LeBron simply took fewer shots in his prime. Consider 2009 LeBron, for example: he averaged ~35 ppg for the postseason and nigh 40 in the ECF, in a slower-paced era and with a less developed offensive kit. If you give him the same 22 fga he took this season in Miami or his second stint in Cleveland, he averages 30ppg minimum every season of his prime. He just opts to pass more because he's never been big on shooting that much unless he has to. He's never once taken the MJ approach and hoisted 30 shots per game in the finals-with the exception of 2015-and it's a good thing because of how much the offense would stagnate. LeBron knows how to be efficient while also getting his teammates involved, and his IQ/playmaking are what made me a fan of his in recent years. Unlike anyone else in the history of the game.

@eddieungerer7185

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlueGrovyle yes haha. theres that big discussion of whos the “goat”? but it has to be said that no one in that conversation has his playmaking and passing abilities (unless maybe you want to throw magic johnson into the mix). not saying he is the goat necessarily but its just something to think about.

@chocamocha4541

Жыл бұрын

@Dichang Feng because Bosh was overrated and Wade was always injured

The crazy thing about LeBron is that he’s still having what would be a peak season for most great players. He’s a different breed.

@ImbetterthanDWade

3 жыл бұрын

True !

@alfeovictor

3 жыл бұрын

@Yuvi A citation needed

@stefvanderstraeten8921

3 жыл бұрын

@Yuvi A then the whole league would be, so still a different breed

@vibe2118

3 жыл бұрын

@Yuvi A L

@vibe2118

3 жыл бұрын

@@ImbetterthanDWade 😭

another thing about this season, lebron rarely fouled. He played DPOY defense with 2 fouls per game. Unreal

@carusohighlightreel4275

3 жыл бұрын

@@et4003 Not just not very good, terrible. Simply put, never use it.

@carusohighlightreel4275

3 жыл бұрын

@@JL-fh4qw Defensive metrics can be ehh... at times. You really need more film analysis than metrics.

@JL-fh4qw

3 жыл бұрын

@jaydexe DRTG is not the same as defense rating, the former is a box accumulated stat. Every elite defensive player performs consistently well in defense rating.

@ddp5406

3 жыл бұрын

@@JL-fh4qw watch the games not the box scores

@tiktokexposed898

3 жыл бұрын

@@JL-fh4qw Just stop lol Lebron was robbed of DPOY that year. Gasol didnt even make 1st team all defense. Lebrons defensive metrics were great. Gasols numbers were only better because he played on the grit and grind grizzlies who played great team defense. Meanwhile Lebron had a bigger defensive load to carry and still was the best defender in the league

2018 LeBron was so good, that I believe that the 2018 Bron was slightly better than 2013. His IQ was 100% his skill was elite. He hit every clutch shot needed, he was a great shooter, he was the best playmaker I have ever seen, and he had all of the athleticism he needed to dominate.

@DJlaffin

2 жыл бұрын

2018 lebron was unreal, the only time i was dumbfounded watching a player other than kobe

@henryviiifake8244

2 жыл бұрын

They called him *LeThanos* for a reason. I don't think we'll ever see such a playoff performance again for a long, _long_ time.

@micahpsungo4153

2 жыл бұрын

I just think his defense in 2013 alone puts him above 2018 just because he really wasn’t as defensively active then, however in 2013 offensively he was on par or maybe even better then 2018 while also play DPOY caliber defense

@dusk6159

2 жыл бұрын

2018 Lebron was something myth-like a-la Wilt.

@tahja

2 жыл бұрын

also the time "LeBronto" happened. Man terrorized the east.

5:11 I'll never forget watching this live when his headband fell off and he activated his takeover meter at the same time. He played the entire ending of this game with a different level of energy I hadn't seen before

@rebelsoup1947

2 жыл бұрын

I call that the headband game

@TheRulersBack18

2 жыл бұрын

and ppl act like it was just ray allen saving them with that 3 in the corner...lebron TURNED TF UP when the headband fell off, it was gonna be the headband game before ray hit that 3

This should be a show on ESPN. Bless you for making these with such detail.

@jessicalancaster4280

3 жыл бұрын

LBJ shoots 37.5% outside of 3 feet in the regular season and 35.9% outside of 3 feet in the post season for his career. He shots 38% from mid mid range for his career. In go ahead shots in the regular season and playoffs to win or tie the game in the last 5 seconds, Lebron is 19/95 for 20%. King James has shot under 40% in 5 different playoff series.

@SaidBayan

3 жыл бұрын

@@jessicalancaster4280 he’s waaaay over 40% rent free in your head

@joshualee9540

3 жыл бұрын

@@jessicalancaster4280 This entire comment reminds me of that Lenarr Young video where the LeBron hater just yelled stats from an Instagram comment.

@MrJ9191

3 жыл бұрын

Watch "MJ vs Lebron: the BEST Goat comparison" by DANGERProduction. By far the best and most comprehensive comparison that accounts for different eras and positions MJ and LBJ played. You will find MJ is way ahead of LBJ overall, he beats him in personal accolades/statistics/winning/clutchness/eye tests. MJ does not need to jump ships to join with other star players to win chip, he stayed in one team and persevered, unlike LBJ who joined Wade/Bosh/Kyrie/Love/AD etc, not mentioning how many times he needs his teammates to bail him out in the finals (Irving, Allen, etc) In MJ's 13 seasons vs LBJ's 17 seasons, MJ not only had more rings, but he was: 10 times scoring champ (LBJ 1), 9 times all defence 1st team (LBJ 5), 1 time DPOY (LBJ none), 6 times NBA Champ (LBJ 4), 6 times FMVP (LBJ 4), 5 times MVP (LBJ 4), 3 times steals leader (LBJ none), 2 times slamdunk champ (LBJ none), not mentioning his rebounds (in contrary to public belief, MJ's ranking is higher amongst SGs than LBJ's ranking amongst SFs), win shares (MJ number 1), player efficiecny rating (MJ number 1), shooting percentage in clutch time (MJ 50% vs LBJ abysmal 20%) etc, way ahead of LBJ. The differences go on and on. The number of differences here speaks for itself. Oh yes, since some dumb TV personalities such as N Wright, S Sharpe and C Cowherd like to use cumulative stats to push for LBJ's unworthy case (MJ joined NBA at 21 yo while LBJ joined at 18 yo), it would be fairer to include MJ's college accolades including: 1 x NCAA champ, 1 x freshman of the year, 2 x players of the year

@BlackOrder007

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrJ9191 wow you just need to include MJ's college accomplishment where competition is much lower than the NBA. I know MJ won the award section but you know what, i ask you who is MJ competition at his position in his era? Lbj had the truth, the 🐍,the 🤖,PG and later maybe luka and Giannis at his position of course his numbers against his matchup were gonna be lower than MJs. Tell me who is his competition at his position? Drexler? Dumars? or you gonna point ainge? Cmon MJ is great so is Lebron too. Different players different era. For me MJ A1 LBJ B1

I swear this guy knows basketball more than a huge percentage of analysts

@yungluluu

3 жыл бұрын

Not a huge percent, all of them. He is a better analyst than anybody that ever worked for espn or the sports media.

@jovandoncevski

3 жыл бұрын

@@yungluluu Agreed, just trying to be somewhat respectful to them, but this guy opened up a new view on this sport that no one ever did

@yungluluu

3 жыл бұрын

@@jovandoncevski fuck that. I’m not gonna respect analysts when they send the wrong message to the youth and non basketball fans. Never ever telling the truth always speaking in generalities. They don’t deserve your respect or my respect.

@vmrabello

3 жыл бұрын

most of these television analysts probably dont even analyze anything, they're just "hot take" machines or showmen, most of the time only talking about these made up intangibles such as "being a dog" or "killer mentality"

@petarnaumovski5362

3 жыл бұрын

@@vmrabello tbf that's what networks want,they don't want ben's insightful commentary,they want clicks.Rather if you check the non-sellouts out you'll find some good basketball minds there as well.I fear there isn't a pie where the money isn't mixed in,but guys like zach lowe,prime bill simmons and j.kyle mann can be downright inspiring,if not on the bleeding edge of statistical analysis.

I heard "magic like", "bird like", "big man like" and we all know he is a power forward as well. This dude is so complete

@dusk6159

2 жыл бұрын

And he now added Center. And already in the Lakers stint he already had added the PG.

@Smoothyoki

9 ай бұрын

Because he’s a 6’9 big who is the most athletic player of all time while being the best playmaker ever

@Samkonia4728

4 ай бұрын

​@@dusk6159You could probably win 70 games with 2020 Lebron at PG, Current Lebron at SG, 2009 Lebron at SF, 2018 Lebron at PF and 2013 Lebron at C

270lbs , that’s really wild that he was moving that fast at that weight.

@localneo-graphic4647

2 жыл бұрын

He's one of the most physically gifted players ever, with state of the art training AND performance enhancing drugs. What do you expect, the NBA to tear down their image because their poster child is scummy? Same thing for MJ. He wasn't cheating, but was almost certainly betting on himself.

@applycontext9161

2 жыл бұрын

@@localneo-graphic4647 exactly,

@Heartbrayk.

2 жыл бұрын

@@localneo-graphic4647 The Olympics is neutral territory when it comes to drug testing. Put that myth to bed because you have no proof.

@michaelactub5956

2 жыл бұрын

@@localneo-graphic4647 bro u tripping u even know what performance enhancing drugs do? just like steroids they dont make u better overnight, they growth so u still need to work ur ass off to actually make it useful, just as bodybuilders who use steroids, they still go to the gym everyday for 3 hour workouts and keep a steady diet, there is no magic drug.

@MrHastah

2 жыл бұрын

He is 6'8 or something, it's not like he is obese. Plus he was running up and down on the court good whole life... It's no surprise. It's not the same with a normal guy that weights that much but is way shorter(which means obese) and also it's it of shape.

What's unique (and scary) about #GreatestPeaks is it's like peeling back the curtain and truly meeting your heroes for the first time. I'm always curious to see whether your brilliant analysis confirms or reshapes the greatness that my eyes perceived/appreciated over the years.

@phothewin6019

3 жыл бұрын

@@jokerquinn8310 Facile take.

@shadowflame5011

3 жыл бұрын

@@jokerquinn8310 man had to copy and paste this on every comment bc he that obsessed w lebron 😂

@ernestmccaleb3545

3 жыл бұрын

@@jokerquinn8310 this is the greatest peaks series.

@BlueGrovyle

3 жыл бұрын

@@jokerquinn8310 while I was initially surprised by the same metrics you're referring to in your comment when I first saw them, I realized how much more sense they make in context. LeBron is not MJ, Kobe, or KD. He doesn't shoot the mid-range a lot, so the fact that his overall percentage outside of finishing is low is unsurprising when most of those shots are three-pointers. Over his career, he's been largely an average three point shooter. However, his all-time great ability to finish at the rim (and generate open jump shots for teammates) overcompensates for his average jump shot. It should also be noted that many of his highest volume mid-range shooting seasons were also his lowest efficiency ones, coming early on in his career when he was the only threatening assignment for defenses due to his lack-luster supporting casts.

@tacolover9768

3 жыл бұрын

Joker Quinn lmao you’re right what a bum. Shaq is also a bum, man shot probably 30% on shots outside 3 feet

2013 may be his best individual season, but in a playoff series, I'm taking 2016-2018 or 2020 Bron. I think even Bron said himself that he'd beat his younger, more athletic self due to his greater basketball IQ, and I believe him. His feel for the game and mental fortitude later on in his career were better than they ever were in Miami.

@pedromdcc13

3 жыл бұрын

Hard to argue against, but I think his overall motor (especially on defense) and athletic advantage might equalize or surpass his impact later years.

@phothewin6019

3 жыл бұрын

@@pedromdcc13 The thing to me is that, while he isn't as athletic as 2013 Bron, he's still incredibly athletic in the later portions of his career. He may use it sparingly in regular seasons, but definitely turns it up in the playoffs. Just last year (aka 5 months ago) he looked great in the playoffs. I think his (lesser but still sufficient) athleticism coupled with his greater "chess" skills make 2016-2018 & 2020 Bron more valuable in the playoffs.

@simonamorim8178

3 жыл бұрын

Ben might agree, he has another video in which he makes the argument the last 3 games of 2016 playoffs may be the 3 greatest games ever played. But these videos are about the season as a whole.

@phothewin6019

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonamorim8178 True, I did see that vid!

@splashgod2509

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron's BBall Iq was insane in his earlier years so I think that athleticism would make him better

His peak was definitely 2011-2016, that's 3 rings in 5 years and the greatest comeback in NBA history against a all time great team with the numbers to go with it

@gikgik4254

2 жыл бұрын

Facts facts u could also stretch it to 2018 when he should've won mvp over harden

@dirkimy

2 жыл бұрын

2010 to 2015 was his peak, 2016 he is already on his way down

@deshawnmcintyre9032

2 жыл бұрын

@@dirkimy I would argue his best season was 2018

@rightouskofi7861

2 жыл бұрын

His true peak was 2009-13 09 is easily his best season

@kluemenadi

2 жыл бұрын

What’s funny is he’s a better shooter now than he’s ever been

Miami Bron was like Bird where he really excelled at off-ball passing. Later on, he became like magic and was able to orchestrate a full offense with having the ball in his hands.

My dad always had an anecdote for lebron when we would watch together: “he is MJ when he wants to be MJ and Magic when he wants to be Magic and can be anything in between.” And that’s from a diehard bulls fan, (my sisters middle name being Jordan).

@dusk6159

3 жыл бұрын

Great and accurate point! Lebron, MJ and Magic, what a basketball trio, and in one court...

@dedricklane4899

3 жыл бұрын

Magic Vision and MJ explosion with Karl Malone’s Body

@dusk6159

3 жыл бұрын

@@dedricklane4899 Indeed, that's crazy accurate. One could mention even Sir Charles

@sgt.krakatoa1093

3 жыл бұрын

@@dusk6159 That'd be scary

@guhsuckyamudda586

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, your father’s “anecdote” wasn’t original. LeBron was [incorrectly] regarded as a MJ-Magic combo for about the first 13 years of his career. Personally, I see him as an amalgamation of Wilt, Karl, and Pippen.

"That is just bionic strength and dexterity that would make Isaac Asimov proud..." And that is why "Thinking Basketball" is KZread's best basketball channel by a landslide..

@WhelmedButReady

3 жыл бұрын

I really wish I understood that reference. But I have no clue what that meant

@eamonnbeahan5611

3 жыл бұрын

@@WhelmedButReady Asimov is a famous science fiction writer, he wrote about superhuman robots at various points in his career.

@veracity5977

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah the most impressive thing about this guy is his pop culture metaphors I swear

@yungelplaga9538

2 жыл бұрын

Yea his has a colorful vernacular that paints the picture he's tryna portray...underrated skill

Bron may not be the strongest player, or the fastest player, but he's faster than the strongest player, and he's stronger than the fastest player.

The craziest thing is that Gilbert arenas and d Wade were having a serious conversation on his podcast about lebron possibly being at his best ever right now, what other player has been this good for this long

@moneymoney3235

3 жыл бұрын

No one

@eboy4216

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan.

@camrose306

2 жыл бұрын

@@eboy4216 ???? Jordan only played like 13 seasons. LeBrons averaged 27+ for 17 straight seasons now

@eboy4216

2 жыл бұрын

@@camrose306 Kareem.

@cyberbron2077

2 жыл бұрын

@@eboy4216 yup Kareem is the only one but LeBron is more impressive only because he's so athletic and the main ballhandler which means more miles on his legs. Very impressive that he's still this good.

The fact that I’m not even sure that this is Lebrons prime just shows how great he is. I personally think 2016 was his prime.

@boodnasser3081

3 жыл бұрын

2015-2018 was his prime offensively specially in the playoffs. I think Ben didn't choose these years because LeBron was resting on the defensive end for the most part during that stretch

@getTheSchmack

3 жыл бұрын

2016-2018

@Terror832

3 жыл бұрын

2012-13. Statistically it was not as dominant but eye test wise he was the complete package was still being a freak athlete.

@kingz9036

3 жыл бұрын

@@boodnasser3081 Not in 2016 that was a defensive masterpiece especially in that comeback.

@dobz746

3 жыл бұрын

@@boodnasser3081 Its not that he is resting.. Lue the head coach is no defensive coach. I mean if you see Lebron's years with Mike Brown, Spoelstra, Blatt in 2015 and now Vogel he had above average defensive efficiency. Its Lue's "chill" defensive philosophies that should be in question and also Kyrie and Love's below average defensive skills made that Cavs team a slouch on defense.

2018 was his offensive peak, 2013 was his defensive peak. Thats facts.

@ZZ-ex8py

2 жыл бұрын

nope, his defensive peak was actually 11 or 12 13 was his overall peak

@that_dude_tk7327

2 жыл бұрын

I have a question what should I work on specifically to pickup these qualities he mentioned?

@jaoh6659

2 жыл бұрын

He's juiced up.

@rightouskofi7861

2 жыл бұрын

His offensove peak was 09 check the advance stats

@itzmarvinplays1605

Ай бұрын

2018 was his offensive plus basketball peak, and 2012 and 2013 was his defensive and athletic peak

Lebron ability to quickly accelerate and decelerate to a completely stop is insanely impressive. I’m surprise he has torn something yet

Peak LeBron really was a joy to watch. He played the best basketball I've seen anyone play post-2000. A real all around phenomenon. The most wonderful thing about this series is eschewing all the narratives and lazy analysis allows one to appreciate how incredible these top guys actually were.

Lebron’s game in his early days are part of the 90s basketball era where they didn’t emphasize the importance of shooting 3s, he transitioned very well up to this era where his shooting behind the arc is above league average

@geordiejones5618

Жыл бұрын

He dominated the paint when spacing was localized to the paint as a goddamn 20 year old people really gonna regret hating this man. His volume at this point makes even Kareem look second rate in terms of how well he's held up.

@superbtruck

Жыл бұрын

great point

@aaronporter2180

Жыл бұрын

@@geordiejones5618 I agree but a lot of the hate he brought on himself. Him having that Heatles press conference promising not 3 not 4 not 5 followed by him choking in the playoffs turned a lot of people against him that being said the people saying he is barely top 10 would never have been happy

@cottonmather8146

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronporter2180 People would've hated him regardless. He brings it upon himself, but when you've been hyped up since you were in high school and people want to see you fail, it's hard not to have an ego. 2011 will forever be a stain on his resume when talking about GOAT debates, but I highly doubt any version of Lebron post 2011 is going to fold against being guarded by JJ Barea and Jason Kidd

@MrDragonkarp

Жыл бұрын

That 07 finals run at 21 is still wild to me

Those "The LeBron's" commercials we're freaking hilarious, thanks for the flashback!

@seanwarner9893

3 жыл бұрын

“You think Michael trained in a pool!?” 😂😂😂

@RLSmith-jt8qj

3 жыл бұрын

@@seanwarner9893 you can't get past Detroit training in no pool!!!

Spurs defense on him in 2007 and 2013 finals made him master his jump shot.. During that Spurs series in 2013, Spurs clogging the lane and it limit his effectiveness specially thaf game 6 but in game 7 that series, he shot 6 or 7 three pointer..

@nonyobussiness3440

Жыл бұрын

Idk why the spurs kept clogging the paint in game 7 because lebron and Shane Wade making all their jumpers which was really keeping them in the game. It would have better having lebron drive and kick because Allen and bush were scoreless. If lebron can drive into the paint he will. He’s on the heat so he’ll kick to a player if he thinks the layup has low chance of going in. Lebron will keep trying to hit the open man even if they keep missing. Lebron was hot taking jumpers, let him drive and kick because the other heat couldn’t score.

I remember watching those Heat Championship teams in the playoffs and what stood out to me at that time was Lebron’s efficiency. Seemed like he always had 30 points shooting 12-15. And that D they played was aggressive !

Even tho bird is my favorite player of all time, LBJ surpassed him that 2013-14 season. He had the FULL ARSENAL

@mikjord

3 жыл бұрын

Put Bird in this era and his numbers would be off the charts.

@phoenixplayz1581

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikjord Put bird in this era and he would look like a plumber

@ibk2205

3 жыл бұрын

@@phoenixplayz1581 fax lmao

@mikjord

3 жыл бұрын

@@phoenixplayz1581 only in your dreams. Larry would dominate them all. His stats would be inhance by today's childish rules and like Lebron, Harden and Westbrook his numbers would soar considerably.

@sgt.krakatoa1093

3 жыл бұрын

Imma leave a comment here so I can see how much of a mess the reply section's gonna be later

I know his peak was in Miami but I would love a 2018 Bron video

@nastyeggplant

3 жыл бұрын

man's offensive repertoire was soo good he was basically the cav's head coach

@ebengueluc3157

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely

@mr.sunshine2017

3 жыл бұрын

@@nastyeggplant lmao couldnt agree more

@slummo

3 жыл бұрын

most definitely

@9ra307

3 жыл бұрын

I consider both as his peaks. 😂 Miami he had All-Time defense with great offense. but in 2018, his offensive capabilities, durability, clutch and IQ were all used at his highest value.

Brons athleticism went down but his fundamentals and poise improved. Since he’s a blessed athlete he knows when and where to use his energy for the longevity of a game. Just look at the nba finals of 2020. Game 5 rondo ran the show and bron made like 8 threes doing off ball work💯🤷🏾‍♂️

@yungelplaga9538

2 жыл бұрын

Iq off the charts the only thing that slipped is his speed...he still blocking shots at the highest point this many seasons in smh he's the goat

Lebron was absolutely unstoppable in his prime. And seeing him up close and personal was just jaw dropping

@gumballwaterson1957

Жыл бұрын

Well, except for '11. He was stopped pretty well then...and '14. I'd give you "absolutely" unstoppable if he didn't have those blemishes, but he was a monster even though I ding him for only being unstoppable after stacking his teams.

@poly_g6068

Жыл бұрын

@@gumballwaterson1957 He was """"limited""" to 28ppg on 57% shooting in 2014.

@gumballwaterson1957

Жыл бұрын

@@poly_g6068 Come on my guy, that 2014 series, Bron got his numbers when the game was out of hand. Beating a team in 5 games where the margin isn't close is "stopping" or "limiting" someone imo.

@poly_g6068

Жыл бұрын

@@gumballwaterson1957 Well that would be wrong then because there's 4 other players accounting for the rest of the score and 28ppg on good efficiency is not exactly being the weak link

@gumballwaterson1957

Жыл бұрын

@@poly_g6068 The series was not close and Lebron did his damage in garbage time (which was most the game). You're looking at a stat sheet to say he wasn't slowed and I'm talking about what actually happened in the series since a stat sheet doesn't tell you when/how someone scores. It's all good though, we just disagree on the definition of "slowed" and "limited".

Prime lebron and curry duo wouldve been too perfect. They would be competing for mvp against each other.

@RLSmith-jt8qj

3 жыл бұрын

😱😱😱😱

@geordiejones5618

2 жыл бұрын

@@RLSmith-jt8qj no joke they would not lose a single game for at least one season. 82-0 season, 16-0 playoffs

@Thanosdidtherighthing

2 жыл бұрын

@@geordiejones5618 🌝He had a top 3 shooting guard of all time in Dwayne Wade and got carried in their first playoff run 🌝

@KOHoxton

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thanosdidtherighthing Everyone has a bad performance, you'll be alright.

@the757general2

Жыл бұрын

@@Thanosdidtherighthing LeBron only played bad in the finals not the entire playoff run so stop with the revisionist history

The passing is actually so bonkers.

@RLSmith-jt8qj

3 жыл бұрын

Yup

@tiktokexposed898

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron is a top 5 passer of all time easily

@eliecermesa4826

3 жыл бұрын

@@tiktokexposed898 In my opinion, just because of his size and the threat he poses on offense by himself, he's the best passer of all time. He's huge and great at scoring so most of the time you're gonna need someone helping the dude guarding Bron, or youre gonna have to double team him. And hes amazing at exploiting that. Hes strong as hell so his passes are just faster than everyone elses. Hes smart as hell and accurate so he can make any pass he wants. And he's tall + longer arms so theres not a lot of angles he cant pass from

@tiktokexposed898

3 жыл бұрын

@@eliecermesa4826 fair point.

@dusk6159

3 жыл бұрын

Dustin Chang Indeed, that's crazy, especially on top of the overall offensive package already. And it's so crazy that it makes a player with a top 6 all time career average of 27ppg a pass-first guy, sheesh!

The quality of this series has been incredible. Keep up the great work, can’t wait to see the future of this channel.

2018 Bron though he never won a chip. Will always be the greatest in my opinion. The perfect blend of athelticism, skill, clutchness and IQ.

@Chadius_Thundercock

2 ай бұрын

His defense was bad though, which is why I think 2013 was better

@rtchamp01

2 ай бұрын

@@Chadius_Thundercock 2018: Higher PPG, Higher RPG, Higher APG, Higher TS% 2013: Higher BPG, Higher 3% (4%), Higher FT% (3%) Not to mention that Lebron had Ray Allen, Bosh, Wade on the Heat, he was younger, therefore definitely had more energy on defense. You can argue Lebron had noone on the Cavs in 2018 therefore he scored more. However, he also assisted on more despite the players he had around him.

I’m just gonna appreciate this before every comment is a Jordan vs LeBron debate Edit: I’m a Tim Duncan guy. I don’t have a singular GOAT

@ImbetterthanDWade

3 жыл бұрын

I’M THE GOAT!

@Equinoccios

3 жыл бұрын

So fucking annoying that you can't talk about any of the two, because there comes the no-live "fanboys" to compare some stupid statistics that "totally proves" X is better than Y.

@Equinoccios

3 жыл бұрын

@@jokerquinn8310 Exactly, thank you for proving my point no-live fanboy

@dusttaker

3 жыл бұрын

You are a Bronsexual?

@Equinoccios

3 жыл бұрын

@@dusttaker No, I'm just not fucking dumb. I'm a Blazers fan, I couldn't care less for the Lakers this season. But I find it hilarious that Jordan fanboys and Lebron fanboys can't talk about the other player without the need to explain that one is DEFINITELY BETTER

I remember watching these seasons. He just looked different from everyone else.

@bcyost1908

3 жыл бұрын

Cause he was different than everybody else lol.

@tiktokexposed898

3 жыл бұрын

Cause he is the goat

@tiktokexposed898

3 жыл бұрын

@Jeffrey Hicks it was legendary

@user-bw6pt9dy6f

3 жыл бұрын

@Jeffrey Hicks 4 rings and 10 finals (so far) is not just solid.Its like saying Superman is just ''strong''

@ddp5406

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-bw6pt9dy6f shhhh🤫 u will awaken the skip and stephen A. propaganda machine that succeeded in convincing millions, that reaching the finals and losing is somehow way worse than losing in the preliminary rounds

My goodness, it's so weird seeing LeBron in a Heat jersey without a headband. It just feels wrong.

I'm glad that the stats show that the Bron-Wade duo wasn't exactly the smoothest. They did play well one off the other in the championship seasons, with cuts and of course on a fast break but overall in the half court they weren't fantastic. But what I believe it did allow was for both of them to get some rest on offense. Wade didn't have any serious injuries if I recall correctly and Bron did his usual 48 minute playoff game. And it also allowed them to, at times, play that very aggressive defensive scramble style that Spoelstra loved. Another really key thing was when James did have one of the few off games, Wade would always turn his play up and cover for it. Had some really key games against Indiana in particular.

I’ve been following LeBron’s career for a few years now. May become a decent role player on a good team or even a starter on a weaker team. Needs to work on his skyhook.

@sharifbrown3567

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@RLSmith-jt8qj

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao....ass

@Bruh-gs9ky

3 жыл бұрын

Wtf you mean? He’s obviously is the greatest shooter ever

Probably the greatest series I have watched on KZread in any category.

@dusk6159

3 жыл бұрын

For the basketball one, easily. It's great to follow it live.

@Unknown-nc4jq

3 жыл бұрын

imo Clayton Crowley's ''Making the case'' is better and probably the inspiration for this series.

Sad to think that millions of NBA "fans" will watch a talking head sport show have the same boring argument about the game of basketball and feel like they learnt something when this is the the type of content the game benefits from... you know, go figure, some actual knowledge being given.

@maximuschinus

3 жыл бұрын

Lol some of those "fans" are doing it in the comments, can't even enjoy greatness while it's happening

@kingyonis5182

3 жыл бұрын

💯 facts

i keep coming back to the greatest peaks series. so good

People will never understand how unstoppable of a physical specimen lebron was in his prime. THE GREATEST PHYSICAL ATHLETE OF ALL TIME. No doubt. No other player, outside of wilt, compares.

@dusk6159

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, on a league of their own

@phoenixplayz1581

3 жыл бұрын

did Shaq die

@dusk6159

3 жыл бұрын

@@phoenixplayz1581 Shaq is definitely another insane example, but he hasn't the package of Lebron or Wilt (or, as a smaller player, AI). Definitely in the top 5 though.

@marius5588

3 жыл бұрын

Michael Phelps?

@nicolocadamuro9988

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan as well, that's why he was called "air" All them are insane athletes, one per generation

Only two videos left after this. Kd and steph. Damn I'm gonna miss this series😭

@sean24833

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think steph should be apart of it because he got worse in the playoff

@jameslearing970

3 жыл бұрын

@@sean24833 Also he's not that good a defender overall. Course he's decent compared to other pgs but he's not up there with the guys he's gone over in this series.

@sean24833

3 жыл бұрын

@@jameslearing970 yeah that too I understand offensively he's transcendent but there's more to this than just offense everyone of these guys in this series was all defense capable i don't see how steph can be in it even magic had size to make up for on defense steph to me just like malone and barkley and apparently harden misses the cut to me

@diatribeeverything

3 жыл бұрын

KD and Steph are a joke in the sense that they have inflated numbers and wins given that they both have into their fear of lebron and teamed up.

@mike0172ajax

3 жыл бұрын

Steph is probably the best offensive player ever. There is a reason why defenses focussed more on Steph than on KD while they were playing together. They rather see KD hit a (late contested) mid range than letting Steph shoot from the logo.

This whole series is so absurdly good. I learned a lot and now see some of my favorite players in a different way. Thank you for what you do!

Beautiful video, especially enjoyed the freezframe section. Really highlights how much of it was guesswork on behalf of the defence, they were at his mercy when he was in control.

Y'know, what's weird? Seeing more people talk about how toxic the comment section will be for this video than actual toxic comments.🤔

@Thragdain

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe this channel just brings in more nuanced and reasonable NBA fans than the usual madness of NBA content comment sections

@joshuab.5323

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thragdain Main reason why I love this channel

@Flash236926

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah you usually see that stuff in the replies of every Sportscenter tweet or NBA memes facebook post

@davispo7550

3 жыл бұрын

It appears that the toxicity emerges in the replies of the popular comments a few hours post-upload. If you wish to suffer, find a comment chain with 20+ replies and scroll down a bit.

@noob.168

3 жыл бұрын

people watching these types of vids just wanna enjoy different greats from different eras.

The craziest thing about Lebron is how his game has evolved as he continues to age. He’s such a a versatile player.

The Wade on-off analysis is so interesting. To me it seems that LeBron centric system where he is surrounded by shooters can produce insanely good offenses and that makes him the greatest floor-raiser ever. However his ball-dominance may not maximize the star power around, especially when there is another player like Wade who wants the ball more. So yeah, scalability and one-dimensional scoring are the only Lebron's offensive "weaknesses"

@phantomstranger8927

2 жыл бұрын

That's why if lebron ever plays with steph curry, the league would have to fold up

@donyutejamaica631

2 жыл бұрын

@Nicolo, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about! LBJ only weakness is Free throw shooting. Absolute rubbish! Stop it!

@brandonsantiago2298

Жыл бұрын

@@phantomstranger8927 he doesn’t need Steph curry cause he’s played with great 3 point shooters and guys that can shoot the 3. Example: Shane Battier, Mike Miller, Ray Allen, James or Jon Jones something like that, Kyle Corver, JR Smith, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Danny Green, KCP. He’s played with a bunch of 3 pt shooters and guys that are scorers and can make the 3 ball ever since 2011. So yeah while having Steph Curry would be unfair, he’s still played a vast range of players that are 3 point shooters and have contributed gratefully to his success.

@brandonsantiago2298

Жыл бұрын

And Lebron has never really had a great jump shot or 3 point shot. Reason why they left him open. So that’s a weakness in his game. He has gotten better as a shooter I’ll give him that but he’s never been an elite mid range player. It’s just that he dominated too greatly attacking the rim.

Crazy to hear so much positivity surrounding him while watching this video. The NBA media and journalists that cover it are way too negative about Lebron's game and everything he's accomplished in the league.

@Jadmonius

2 жыл бұрын

That “King” moniker really irks some people. Name some undeserved praise please. Because it’s this era of 24- hour news every thing is heightened. I can imagine some players from outside the social media era would’ve be a great as they were.

@chiarosuburekeni9325

2 жыл бұрын

Nonsense. The league and pretty much everyone involved with the league has been on his nuts since he was in high school

@JohnWick-xt9fi

Жыл бұрын

@@chiarosuburekeni9325 it all changed when he joined Miami

"This was the Android upgrade" as Kawhi shoots. Nice

I wish I watched LeBron more during his Miami days, but I really started following basketball more closely when he came back to the Cavs a second time.

@daltongiddings2771

3 жыл бұрын

Those 2016 finals is what cemented me as a basketball fan

@arrownoir

3 жыл бұрын

@@daltongiddings2771 2006 Finals for me.

@tiktokexposed898

3 жыл бұрын

@@daltongiddings2771 greatest finals performance ever

@Millipede666

3 жыл бұрын

You did miss some great seasons but peak Lebron was the 2016 finals.

@goldenfighter1986

3 жыл бұрын

@@daltongiddings2771 Same

Great video again thinkin, truly a must watch series. I want to go into all that makes this great but one odd tiny detail is the music. Calm, even, and enough to hear but not drown you out. Also it is not lyrical garbage many would use just for the trends. This music with your speech pattern makes it not only enjoyable but easy to listen. I know it is odd and ultimately not too important, but I just want you to know all your work is noticed even if never mentioned. Thank you again, great video!!

It's a tradition to come back here once in a while

@seowth

2 ай бұрын

facts. Big fella still doing it is mind-boggling

These videos help me to appreciate basketball more and also help film study on specific players, helps you appreciate some guys that you never appreciated before

Dropping the Issac Asimov reference can this channel possibly be any better?

@dusk6159

3 жыл бұрын

After all, with something like THAT to comment and describe one can't do nothing but reach those levels. And that on top of an analysis like this, with three themes and with the all-time high 29 mins or so. I definitely got the episode greatness and insanity that I imagined and hoped for.

@TheSands83

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah he could know what he’s talking about

Ben thanks again. I can’t tell you how awesome it feels when they pop up!

Good video. I enjoyed it. Very well researched and presented. I'll check out your other videos. Great job.

Would love to see a future series where you evaluate specific championship teams like the 73-9 warriors or the bad boy pistons

@mihirrao7002

3 жыл бұрын

the 73-9 warriors weren't a championship team

@tonyrigatoni1705

3 жыл бұрын

@@mihirrao7002 my bad I guess I just meant more along the lines of recognizable teams throughout nba history

I wish there was a breakdown like this for soccer players, this is done beautifully

Man your contents are so good. You deserve more viewers, i know you spend a lot of time to make this quality high videos.

How about his best playoff run? I've followed Bron his whole career, and yet I think his best playoff run (and most consistently amazing run), was his performance in the 2020 "bubble playoffs". At this point, his jumper had fully evolved to being "not bad", his post game was great, and he had just led the league in assists for the first time in his career. The Lakers did not play well in the last few games of the season, but once the playoffs started, he went supernova and never cooled down. In every round he shot ridiculously well from the field, scored a lot of points, got a lot of boards and assists, took over games at critical moments, and led his squad to three 5-game victories and one 6-game victory in the Finals. He completely changed all the narratives that year, and many experts who doubted him had to eat their words.

@BLACKSTA361

2 жыл бұрын

2020 over 2018?

I got to see Magic, Bird, Dominique, Barkley, Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, and LeBron in their prime and as much as I hated Bird and Kobe I always appreciated them all. When you see guys like D-Rose, Grant Hill and others with incredible athletic ability suffer from career altering injuries it's frustrating and you feel bad that you never had a chance to see them hit that level where they are near their peak in athleticism combined with incredible knowledge of the game. It's a pleasure when guys like Jordan and LeBron get that peak, seize on the opportunity and you get to see basketball played at such an incredible level.

This has been my favorite episode so far. Breaking down WHY Lebron is a powerhouse is just awesome

Love the detail and breakdown of all of the plays even little things on a fastbreak that makes you appreciate the skill and basketball IQ even more! Also love you didn't just show the best highlights you showed where mistakes were made in his defensive game and where defense's were able to limit LeBron on his effectiveness. Props to you for making this

I’ve said this before but this is one of my favorite channels on KZread!

Best part of my Mondays

An 8 year peak is INSANE. That’s longer than most NBA CAREERS.

His help defense was so special back then and the heat needed it so badly as they were often starting players that weren’t great on ball defenders and Bosh often struggled against traditional centers, without Lebron to help at the rim and on the glass I don’t think that lineup would have worked for them.

@ShakataelBebesito

6 ай бұрын

Totally right

Love this series ! Keep up the great work !

as I am now in my early 30s, it really saddens me that I let sports media dislike lebron so much in my youth and I failed to enjoy 2013 lebron....i will never hate on another player again, and just enjoy all these characters for who they are on the greatest tv show ever made

Imo LeBron physical peak was arguably 2013. Literally unstoppable in the paint and off the charts athleticism. He was stupidly better than everyone else and it was just mind boggling. Buuuut 2018 was when his physical and mental game reached the highest point at the same time. His IQ, as high as it's always been, was finally at the same level as his physical prowess. That version of LeBron still seems like a dream to me. I can't even say much on it because it was so clear from anyone and everyone that I felt offended everytime I watched him.

I absolutely love this series. Fantastic production. A sports station should pay you for these!

Crazy to have a historical content like this on a player who's still playing

Imagine trying to catch a pass from lebron. The ball would punch a hole through me.

@firejuggler31

3 жыл бұрын

Naw, he’d size you up and include just enough touch to put you in the best position to score.

@edp-gb6yz

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@YunisRajab

3 жыл бұрын

If you know how to absorb the force there's nothing you can't catch

@jesslancaste83aj

3 жыл бұрын

.Lebron shoots 37.5% outside of 3 feet in the regular season and 35.9% outside of 3 feet in the post season for his career. He shots 38% from mid mid range for his career. In go ahead shots in the regular season and playoffs to win or tie the game, Lebron is 19/95 for 20%. Lebron has shot under 40% in 5 different playoff series.

@edp-gb6yz

3 жыл бұрын

@@jesslancaste83aj k

It is just amazing for one player to dominate in so many different aspects of the game.

@steveno7058

3 жыл бұрын

And yet Lebron lost more Finals than he won

@7413321

2 жыл бұрын

@@steveno7058 It's a team game, if you've ever played basketball in your life you would know that

@kpaukeaho6180

2 жыл бұрын

@@steveno7058 bad argument

@the757general2

2 жыл бұрын

@@steveno7058 championships are a team accomplishment. He still made ten Finals appearances. Making the Finals is better than not making it.

I think 2017 was his best year…His Last year with Cleveland was spectacular with no help

This is the first video of yours that I've seen. I think I'm in for a treat if they're all even 1/2 this good. Great job

What a perfect breakdown of my favorite player ever. I really think you might be the best basketball mind on this platform.

#GreatestPeaks might be the GOATEST Basketball Series on KZread ever! No biases and well thought out points.

My first video I watched and this was great detail to which I enjoyed. Thank you

The crazy thing about Lebron is his “prime” is so subjective because his entire career can be considered as a prime for basically any player in NBA history.

@jaoh6659

2 жыл бұрын

He's juiced up.

@mobetta2092

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaoh6659 In your dreams. If the powers that be were willing to bring down All-American Media Darlings Lance Armstrong and Mark McGuire with their steroid usage LeBron who many don’t like would feast on that story if it were true.

@iamjoshjackson

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaoh6659 if he was “juiced up” he wouldve been caught during the olympics … yall spew these rumors for what?😂😂

“You think Michael trained in a pool?!”

@jasonbournesburner3845

3 жыл бұрын

he did

@Underpantsniper

2 жыл бұрын

He mostly trained on a golf course every summer

@Industrious420

2 жыл бұрын

great commercial, the guys above don't get it.

Haven't looked forward to Mondays in a long time lol

Perfection the amount of time this had to take has to be insane thank you

First video of this channel that I watch. I'm in owe for the virtuosity of knowledge, method of anylise and editing. Music is like video games from the 90's but somehow helps concentrating. A high university level capacity no TV show can match.

This is my personal favorite LeBron season, which is crazy considering how many elite seasons he has in his career.

The best combination of physical gifts, athleticism, and skill of any athlete ever imo.

@jasonbournesburner3845

3 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of Bo Jackson? the best all-around athlete ever. ALL-STAR IN NFL AND MLB with a broken hip replacement.

@agregs30

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonbournesburner3845 That was the one name that popped into my head when i was thinking about this. Your argument is 100% valid. Bo jackson was a beast

@jasonbournesburner3845

3 жыл бұрын

@@agregs30 Deon Sanders and Jim Thorpe were also beasts. But Bo was unreal. Fast, powerful, adaptive and just had it all.

I think it would be awsome if you do a series where you focus on playmakers. Give them some love. Or the greatest secondary stars like Pippen and others. Great content, keep it up

Incredible analysis...great job pal !!

The offense is obvious but I’m usually surprised about how spot on the defense analysis is on each player

I was watching a Lakers game the other day and they showed Bron and he was on the bench out with the foot injury gray hair popping up on his head and beard. It hit me like oh shit… this is about to come to and end. The dude I watch *dominate* the league from the time I was like 9/10 to now being 25 is really close to hanging it up.

@tallgravy

Жыл бұрын

And now he’s about to make another championship run… this is getting to be a cartoon😂

Wow. This was an amazing analysis. Thanks!

Tbh I never saw peak player from before this current state of Covid-19 bubble basketball and I actually fell in love with basketball while playing 2k so I really appreciate these break downs so I can have an even bigger respect for all these goats 🐐

The without wade stats are bonkers, definitely the most complete player imo

@hoodvines2720

3 жыл бұрын

It shows he can’t play with ball dominant players

@carterbilbro4615

3 жыл бұрын

@@hoodvines2720 what....

@cldaniels7632

3 жыл бұрын

@@hoodvines2720 wtf??

@johngriller4997

3 жыл бұрын

@@hoodvines2720 not that he can’t play with ball dominant players but as Ben said in the video, it takes away his decision making which is where he thrives at, when he’s not the primary ball handler. Which in turn, why his numbers naturally drop. He still provides decent value as an offball cutter.

@ImbetterthanDWade

3 жыл бұрын

@@johngriller4997 It means Lebron isn’t effective off ball like some of the other greats.

Imo, Curry deserves a greatest peak episode for 2014-2016. It was by far the greatest, most efficient scoring exhibition by any Point guard ever

Thank you for this series 🙌🏽 you are the real mvp 👑🎖🏆

This video is GOLD! I came to see how you would analyze Lebron's peak years (and as expected, did exceptional work on it) but my takeaway after watching is how we can really tend to take for granted witnessing the best years of all these greats. And not even only the Mt. Rushmore greats but also 2nd or 3rd tier greats, i.e. Wade, Pierce, and the like. I mean... I literally remember watching the games where many of the clips shown here were taken from. And while LBJ is still currently playing, is still one of the league's best players, and is still actually producing similar numbers to when he was in his 20s, I almost (or already) forgot how freaking unstoppable he was on both sides of the ball when he was with the Heat! I'm still an MJ guy and probably will always be an MJ guy, mostly because of what he did, the force he did it with, the time/era he did it in, and most importantly, how he made me feel as I watched him play. But I really respect and appreciate Lebron's whole body of work. After 2016, he really couldn't have done anything (whether he retired right after the Cavs chip or continued playing and never made the playoffs again or averaged just 6 ppg, etc.) to make me put him lower than 2nd all-time.

@obies12000

8 ай бұрын

I'd say the 2016 championship in Cleveland is one of at least two events that demonstrate how all-time historic LeBron is. Cleveland had a 52-year drought in all major professional sports prior to him leading the Cavs to a win. The other all-time historic event that is on that level is the all-time scoring title. That was held by the same person for 38 years. The amount of time provides a pretty good indication of just how hard these achievements were.