Full podcast episode: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y4yTrcakn6reg9Y.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzread.info Guest bio: Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris are historians. Mouin Rabbani is a Middle East analyst. Steven Bonnell (aka Destiny) is a political livestreamer.

@itsamyxoxx

2 ай бұрын

Destiny loves to talk about how others shouldnt have a platform when the same could be said about him. By playing games online masquerading himself as a righty to spread misinformation. His stance goes directly against orthodox jews and he knows it.

@Claude-dp3mx

2 ай бұрын

Lex, you're a massive anti-intellectual clown. Taleb was right about you.

Mr. Brocconlini please never speak to me or my son again

@henrybishop7595

2 ай бұрын

hahahaha

@JJ-sn2ys

2 ай бұрын

Dr. Frankenstein needed to give that a rest

@BbeMamGaga

2 ай бұрын

The Israelites have the same empathy for the Palestinians as the Nazis had for the Jews. History upside down!

@TheSignofJonah777

2 ай бұрын

@@BbeMamGaga Then it makes sense that there are 2 million Palestinians living in Israel today. Israel has a 1.31 ratio of civilian to militant death. Better than any country in WWII better than all of the US's wars ever. Which are considered the most humane.

@ssir5927

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSignofJonah777In addition to being factually incorrect, your statement is pure American-brained insanity.

This sounds like every new york deli

@brettstarks1846

2 ай бұрын

😆

@brknsh6689

2 ай бұрын

I didnt hear "word to my mother" or " deadass" once thoo

@unitforce4163

2 ай бұрын

@@brknsh6689 He's not talking about the ghetto blacks

@MrMAXZ888

2 ай бұрын

Not really. A Yemeni clerk/moderator is needed for authentic NY deli experience.

@couchslouch1982

2 ай бұрын

@@MrMAXZ888 Don't forget the Dominicans and Puerto Ricans

I’m still laughing at Norm calling him “Mr. Borelli” and “Mr. Morelli.” I guess he subconsciously thought Destiny is an Italian guy.

@mikemugs7

2 ай бұрын

😂😂

@vorna

2 ай бұрын

+Perelli, Ferelli

@MandosCulture

2 ай бұрын

Benny was slick with that😂😊

@Tiasung

2 ай бұрын

Mr. Morelli does sound rather badass

@supernova7848

2 ай бұрын

Pacelli

A slow talker, 3 shouters and a mute.

@HelloThere-gl1bx

2 ай бұрын

Rabbani is pretty composed here imo

@Hankblue

2 ай бұрын

Don't forget about Mr. Morelli and Mr. Borreli, those guys were pretty loud as well

@bardol359

2 ай бұрын

Slow talking doesn't exclude you from shouting, if anything Finklestein was the one that initiated the shouting

@anubis8586

2 ай бұрын

There’s no wonder everyone on this reply chain including the OP commentator is a lost cause 🤦‍♂️ uneducated, uncultured and watched from reality beyond belief. Supporting Nazi Zionists without blinking an eye and not knowing basic facts is wild. The downfall is pretty understandable now.

@deeky1239

2 ай бұрын

@@bardol359 Every single time indeed. The guy really has issues, shouldn't be publicly speaking if he's gonna conduct himself this way.

Mr. Finkelstein is missing the main point here which is Destiny girl name🗣️

@ruidechen

2 ай бұрын

AMAZIN

@Christian-fy5dz

2 ай бұрын

BETA!

@LeonLindProductions

2 ай бұрын

Hahahahaha let's swear to never stop using this joke, not even in 10 years, no matter how much his mods delete the comments

@Disaletteritis

2 ай бұрын

" "Mr Destini...not all knowledge is in Wikipedia!"

@DavidMyrmidon

2 ай бұрын

Not just a Girl's Name.. but Trailer Trash Stripper Name.

The title has a typo, it is *Mr Borelli* vs *Norman Finkelstein*

@ahmedkhoja2279

2 ай бұрын

You didn’t hear him correctly. It is Mr. Morelle

@screamstation

2 ай бұрын

That's the B-side. There is also Fantastic Moron, Motormouth, and one more, but it escapes me now.@@ahmedkhoja2279

@ezragoldberg3132

2 ай бұрын

✋ Mr Barbelli! You even Lift, bro? 💪

@BbeMamGaga

2 ай бұрын

The Israelites have the same empathy for the Palestinians as the Nazis had for the Jews. History upside down!

@ezragoldberg3132

2 ай бұрын

@@BbeMamGaga and the Arabs and Palestinian were so compassionate that their leaders admired and met with Hitler himself to discuss their Hatred of the Jews. Not to mention firing the first shot with the full on Invasion after Israel declared it's independence

wtf is that Destiny doing there?

@gutsblackswordsman4707

2 ай бұрын

Agreed, I think he just increased the overall hostility level in the debate. Even when he made a good case or point, the way he delivered it, made his opponent not listen well.

@Redbrack

2 ай бұрын

I heard Shapiro was who Lex wanted, but he wouldn’t do it

@sofuno863

2 ай бұрын

@@gutsblackswordsman4707I mean I don't blame Norman for not taking this destiny dude seriously. Even Destiny doesn't take Destiny seriously. The dude chills with his girl's boyfriend live what do you expect. This topic needs some decent knowledgeable smart people to discuss it not clowns.

@arafmahmud1302

2 ай бұрын

​@@RedbrackHe doesn't have enough caliber to debate with Norman.

@Redbrack

2 ай бұрын

@@arafmahmud1302 I agree, but Shapiro has more legitimacy and knowledge on this topic than bomerelli. He'd still get smoked, but it makes more sense than having destiny there.

No apartheid has a right to exist, period.

@karinababy6557

2 ай бұрын

👏

@K0r0s

2 ай бұрын

It's a good thing there's no apartheid then :)

@wolvesdentrainingcenter8707

2 ай бұрын

What do you call the theocratic doctoral monarchies throughout Israel’s neighbors?

@ayyylmao101

2 ай бұрын

@@K0r0s Soon enough, there won't be. Lol

@ipadbossbaby4558

2 ай бұрын

You're presupposing that Israeli occupation meets the standard of "apartheid".

What is Destiny even arguing about? It was ruled "plausible genocide" because that's the highest "ruling" they can give given the fact that it's not an actual court case yet but rather a hearing. Not only that, when they gave their ruling they also referenced various statements of genocidal intention by the Israeli government/governmental officials. Even though the actual case will take many years, that doesn't mean that Israel can keep on doing what it is doing. It has to stop by international law. These are BASIC things one should know. There SHOULDN'T be a debate on such obvious technical issues.

@billusher2265

2 ай бұрын

he said at the end even if Israel nukes Gaza and ends all 2 million lives there he still wouldn’t count it as genocide. His point is to just defend Israel by default.

@user-by6fp4ov3k

2 ай бұрын

​@@billusher2265Do you think genocide is just "many people dead"? Genocide can be 200 dead, or 2,000,000 dead. But just the number ALONE can not definitively decide if it's a genocide.

@marc15yo

2 ай бұрын

@user-by6fp4ov3k You are correct in your statement by itself. But within the context above you're wrong. Re-read the above comment: "ends all of the two million lives there" Gaza's population is 2.1 million. Killing 2 million people in a country comprised of 2.1 million is objectively a genocide. Sure, the value of the number in itself doesn't matter. It is not a numbers game but It is a game of proportionality, intent, and disregard for human life. What is happening in gaza already qualifies as ethnic cleansing by the U.N. definition. The entire population of that city (state)has been forcibly relocated against their will under falling bombs. The case against Israel for genocide is legitimate and is very strong.

@ssir5927

2 ай бұрын

@@user-by6fp4ov3kGenocide can be ZERO dead too. Killing people is already covered by many many other laws, the crime of Genocide is essentially a crime of intention, akin to the difference between manslaughter and pre-meditated murder, of which Israel is undoubtedly guilty of.

@gador789

2 ай бұрын

The "various statements of genocidal intention" were read out and then the actual quotes were read. The "quotes" in the report were butchered beyond belief.

The only thing I really dislike about Destiny is that she automatically takes the contrarian view on almost every issue. She’s never argued this hard in favor of Israel on stream. She was far more reasonable and in the middle.

@niazismail2803

2 ай бұрын

😂😂 she

@matejsmrekar1218

2 ай бұрын

SHE 😂😂😂😂😂

@notorious4204

2 ай бұрын

I swear if he's debating with a Pro Israel Person,He will instantly become much more left

@AndrewSteffenHB

2 ай бұрын

🤣😂

@NickCager

2 ай бұрын

Her real name is Karen.

Three people who wrote the fucking books on the conflict, and mr Bonatelli. What is this line up? What was this random internet guy doing here? Poorly chosen lightweight guest, led to an immensely skewed debate

@Pixi49

2 ай бұрын

Yes he was so out of depth and an annoying twit

@whodis3560

2 ай бұрын

idk man finkelstein was more annoying than that girl destiny

@luigixroxas

2 ай бұрын

To be fair the debate about Israel and Palestine is the equivalent of arguing weather Water is healthy for u or not. Israel is indefensible

@KentPhillips

2 ай бұрын

Destiny was right though. Dolus Specialis is mentioned atleast 4 times in the South Africa case and is the specific kind of intent that makes Genocide different from every other crime. The fact that Norm doesn’t know what that is means he didn’t read the case document. You can find the case online and search for the term in there.

@fitthora

2 ай бұрын

@@luigixroxasYour conviction is irrelevant. What is relevant is if there is a substantial population on either side of the argument. Personally I think Israel has been quite timid in their actions.

Destiny’s Starbucks product placement!

@Dwiz26

2 ай бұрын

Desperate for some private Z-bills

@picaroon602

2 ай бұрын

Starbucks losing billions, destiny product placement won't bring any sales because he's an imbecile XD

@Jose-og909

2 ай бұрын

No one's buying Starbuck after his performance.

@talia6965

2 ай бұрын

Starbucks coffee is pretty mediocre anyway lol

@WELSHGAMER99

2 ай бұрын

​@@Jose-og909Better than Norm's childish performance

Honestly, I respect Benny Morris for conceding that last point.

@andrehanderson

2 ай бұрын

Yes that was admirable

@robertpirsig5011

2 ай бұрын

I was surprised by that because he's basically admitted the double standard. They say extreme stuff all the time which is fine as long as it's not Palestinians saying it.

@CatotheE

2 ай бұрын

@@robertpirsig5011 Yeah. Tons of respect for that.

@user-xf8ot1ds2p

2 ай бұрын

He was laughing hysterically the whole time destiny was getting insulted

@Limud123

2 ай бұрын

I don't, they did not lose shit. He should have said I reject the framing but concede the point. Morris is the oat on this topic. And he came off the best.

This is the worst moderation of a debate i have ever seen

@kathrynneiberger8373

2 ай бұрын

He mentioned at the beginning of the full debate that this will be the first debate he won't step into and will let them speak pretty freely even when emotions run high

@newonevery740

2 ай бұрын

@@kathrynneiberger8373 which is ridiculous

@TheSword2212

2 ай бұрын

I loved it

@thegingerbreadgod1312

Ай бұрын

⁠@@newonevery740yes i bet you would say that because it exposed your finklespleen

@newonevery740

15 күн бұрын

@@thegingerbreadgod1312 naaaaah it is simply terrible. Anyone with a functioning brain knows how a discussion is moderated otherwise it is chaos. Hopefully you have a functioning brain

Why is Destiny even on this? wtf?

@lain5858

2 ай бұрын

Because he is more relevant than you?

@meganuke9091

2 ай бұрын

​@@lain5858eww destiny gay lover.

@usman5140

2 ай бұрын

exactly, its pointless

@blackbeltjones2903

2 ай бұрын

​@@lain5858 lol at this loser seeking out all the destiny hating comments. We get it, ur a stan.

@yshah7

2 ай бұрын

lol i was thinking the same thing.. they brought on a youtuber for more hits i guess. You have a bunch of intellectuals with PHDs and like 60 years of authorship, and a youtuber with one semester of college education lol. Nevertheless he made good use of his wiki reading capabilities.

norm saying "UNTRUE, UNTRUE, UNTRUE..." is my new alarm

@-8l-924

2 ай бұрын

that was hilarious - it did almost sound musical in a weird way. I’d be terrified if it was my alarm lmao

@karinababy6557

2 ай бұрын

Lol 😅

How's Destiny taken seriously? I do not understand 😕

@orozcodavid101

2 ай бұрын

He’s a debate bro that speaks fast, some people get fooled into thinking rhetoric substitutes for good arguments

@eshedguitar

2 ай бұрын

He brings up only facts, very organized and collected. You don't see this with the other debaters

@somanyquestions7194

2 ай бұрын

But Norm is someone we should listen to? The guy sounds like a child

@rafd97

2 ай бұрын

The same way your mom got to breed apparently

@maestrofrags3436

2 ай бұрын

​@@eshedguitarHe brings boyfriends to his girl aswell...but he doesnt organize consequences of that

Why did Norm Finklestein agree to debating with Destiny in the first place if he really only wanted to debate Benny Morris?

@BruceLeedar

2 ай бұрын

I think Morris has refused to debate him 1-on-1 going forward.

@zarbins

2 ай бұрын

He did refuse to debate Destiny at first. I think he acquiesced so he'd have a chance to debate Morris, who he was much more prepared for, having read all Morris' work on the topic. I'm not sure Finkelstein had a chance to review Destiny's vast academic literature on Israel Palestine though.

@oblonsky

2 ай бұрын

It's clear Destiny isn't a major expert here but his points are logically sound and he is a strong cross-examiner. He's able to point out flaws of reasoning or bad faith arguments and he himself mostly argues in good faith from what I've seen. But I can understand why Finkledinkle would find him pesky because it may present as if Destiny is holding himself up as some expert on this topic, whereas Finkledinkle fancies himself as some kind of demi-god on the subject. But because Destiny is a strong reasoner it's hard to actually point out any flaws in what he's saying which is why Finkledinkle (like I'm doing) got flustered and resorted to name-calling and belittling his credentials. Destiny might not know what he's talking about but he sounds well informed and doesn't open himself up to easy attack (except on his credentials which is taboo in debates). Morris is a legend and also the most reasonable and fair of anyone at the table. I think he has the firmest grasp on the situation and his point is basically hey so what maybe formation of State of Israel had some injustices going on but Arabs made it 10000% worse for themselves by acting so irrationally and refusing to come to a diplomatic solution over borders like how almost eveyr other people have or would have done. He agrees and accepts that Israel might go too far sometimes definitely no doubt about it he admits that but Israel is in an impossible position because Arabs have acted so irresponsibly for the past 8 decades. It's Morris' position that I think is ultimately most convincing. A reasonable population would have come to the negotiating table 70 or 60 or 50 or 30 or 20 years ago and worked out a deal rather than refuse to accept any deal, continue launching violent attacks and continue screaming they're the victims.@@zarbins

@kaytrout3836

2 ай бұрын

The paycheck… duh

@oblonsky

2 ай бұрын

who?@@user-ys3cq4ok4k

Norman and Destinys speeds are too different

@LeonEdwards-lt1bn

2 ай бұрын

Destiny got destroyed

@strangeman9362

2 ай бұрын

​@@LeonEdwards-lt1bnyeah via ad hominems but not by debate 😂 🤡

@TheCraydee

2 ай бұрын

care to elaborate?@@LeonEdwards-lt1bn

@Alitar1212

2 ай бұрын

@@strangeman9362 awww your online daddy was offended awwwww

@JET7C0

2 ай бұрын

@@strangeman9362 I mean, what got Finkelstein throwing those insults was a reaction to "Destiny" sarcastically asking "Did you even read the report" - why is everyone ignoring that ad hominem and acting like it was some sophisticated counterpoint? Flippantly asking "did you even read the report" was absolutely an insult meant to provoke, not some civil retort.

"Did you read the case?" - "Mr. Borelli" aka Destiny aka Steven Bonnell II😂🤣💀

@Mimi90353

23 күн бұрын

Mr. Borelli brace yourself. I think we all will Norm 😅

This is more of a dinner-party argument than a debate; too difficult/frustrating to watch productively.

@Jose-og909

2 ай бұрын

Destiny didn't belong there.

@TheJoethud22

2 ай бұрын

@@Jose-og909yeah he’s over qualified. He smoked that slow paced fuck

@pyotrvoitsekhovski9402

2 ай бұрын

Finkelstein didn’t belong here

@WillemDeHero

2 ай бұрын

@@pyotrvoitsekhovski9402Finkelstein really didn’t belong there

@chins9217

2 ай бұрын

If Lex actually moderated but he fishes for clips so

I feel like a 1 on 1 debate is a better format then 2 on 2. Just my opinion however.

@blueberrymcphuckerson9821

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. 2v2 always results in like the most assertive/aggressive of both sides dominating and taking up 90% of the discussion. Just keep it 1v1.

@aaronpannell6401

2 ай бұрын

I wish Lex would have moderated. Make them pause, take a deep breath, and only one person speak at a time.

@drewbewho

2 ай бұрын

*than *than *than Continue to write it 100 times.

@Dawsenconway

2 ай бұрын

@@drewbewho thanks! I'm from Brazil and my English is getting better. I'm still struggling with their, there, they're.

@aaronpannell6401

2 ай бұрын

@@drewbewho I'm guessing you don't have many friends.

I noticed I keep giggling throughout this entire debate, and I realized it's because every participant has a cartoonishly funny voice. It's like listening to Popeye and Daffy Duck have a serious geopolitical debate lol

@thejoin4687

2 ай бұрын

It's like listening to an Batman audio drama

@alyzak.8997

26 күн бұрын

hahahahaha

@Vinay_311

Күн бұрын

I hope puberty hits you quickly so you can stop behaving like a dumb child online (i kept giggling 🤓☝️)

How did this livestreamer even qualify to participate in this podcast?

@Operation_C4

2 ай бұрын

Reading wikipedia. Duh 🙄

@BreathOfDust

2 ай бұрын

Corny comment and completely irrelevant

@AK-hf3pf

2 ай бұрын

@@BreathOfDust destinycel alert.

@noctislucis9521

2 ай бұрын

New take on the issue i guess

@liamdineen8396

2 ай бұрын

@@BreathOfDustaww your idol is in fact, stupid 😂

I wonder if this feisty Sicilian woman Destinee Benelli is related to the Italian firearms manufacturer. Love their shotguns.

@Mimi90353

23 күн бұрын

😂😂

@Ethereal1567

17 күн бұрын

Italy was among the European nations UK, France, Germany and US that sliced up the Middle East as invading colonizers for their own greed and self enrichment weren't they? Same in the Continent of Africa....however fast forward and the difference here is African countries have wised up and are now summarily removing/kicking the European and US powers out of Africa. TOUCHE!! Free Palestine

That patch on his beard is messing with me

@Ryan-mr3zf

2 ай бұрын

I've been there I think, its when you mess up shaving and gotta like mess up your whole beard to fit your mistake

@Operation_C4

2 ай бұрын

@@Ryan-mr3zf Actually, I'm pretty sure it's Alopecia. You better keep my queens name out of your f***** mouth.

@michaelwolfe1853

2 ай бұрын

It’s shaped like Israel which is the best part

@hals6118

2 ай бұрын

@@Ryan-mr3zf Pretty sure it's just a facial bald spot lol

@SizemoreMusic

2 ай бұрын

OMG, I didn't even notice it until I read this

It's like he aggro'd a bystander NPC lmao

Watching five minutes of his conversation is basically all the proof you need, that there will never ever be peace in that region. Ever

@Abdirahman_Mohamed

2 ай бұрын

because of Israel

@bryontalamantes9386

2 ай бұрын

Not until the apartheid regime of Israel ends

@leadfaun

2 ай бұрын

@@Abdirahman_Mohamed they've made peace with everyone else in the region.

@deeky1239

2 ай бұрын

@@Abdirahman_Mohamed Mohamed says it's because of Israel 🤣

@Abdirahman_Mohamed

2 ай бұрын

@@leadfaun Not Syria or Lebanon or Iraq or Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or Yemen or Eye Ran lil bro

Ultimately it's Norm debating that Israel mass-murdering Palestinian children is wrong, and Destiny arguing that it's not so bad...

@b.ballooon9225

Ай бұрын

That's what you got? How emotional and bad faith are you to get that?

LOOK I CAN SHOUT TOO!

@Zoe_r146

2 ай бұрын

Lmao

I can't believe anyone thinks Norm looks good in this debate. He even said in other interviews that he did not do good and he feels embarrassed.

@m_nch7

17 күн бұрын

Exactly. Rabbani was way better.. calm, intelligent and respectful. Norman appealed to authority and insulted Destiny and prof Morris a couple of times. it was unprofessional

Respct to Benny Morris for the end of this clip. I was thinking "thats a good point" as Benny said the same thing to his debate opponent.

Considering the subject, this is fairly civil and moderated debate 👍

Norman is on another level. His argument of the "plausibility of genocide" is much for Morris to fathom

@m_nch7

17 күн бұрын

or for any other Israeli that actually knows how the IDF and Hamas operates. Rabbani was way more professional.. Norman lashed out a couple of times, disrespected and appealed to authority. that's hardly "another level"

This debate was hilarious

I can’t follow the conversation

@wastedbread8036

2 ай бұрын

Cause you're dumb

what is hank from breaking bad doing here?

A statement is more true if you scream it

@AlOfNorway

2 ай бұрын

Exactly my thoughts… just shows the immaturity of the pro Israelis. Norm is screaming because they are interrupting them.

@hrodvithit

2 ай бұрын

Ye, I mean speaking fast and animatedly is also a pretty shit tactic to boot.

@nkadenrs703

2 ай бұрын

@@AlOfNorway Are you being serious? Finkelstein interrupted the most out of everyone there.

@rickstube5299

Ай бұрын

​@@nkadenrs703 finkelstein interrupted benny when benny was being dishonest to him and Mouin. He did not interrupt destiny until he started attacking finkelstein. When he directly debated finkelstein, he is the one interrupting.

@GraysPeakBand

Ай бұрын

@@rickstube5299 lol, you fucks can only lie. The video is public. This is obviously not true.

What Destiny never seems to understand is that sharing your girlfriend with other men is Haram.

Norman Finklestien - Ph.D in Zionism and Palestinian history, spend years in Palestine, multiple published eorks Mr. Borelli - Divorced college dropout Gee wonder who knows what theyre talking about

@b.ballooon9225

Ай бұрын

Elitist and classist, you trust people just cause they have money and fancy diplomas? Why not go after the arguments? If you had any good counters to his points, you'd say them, instead of using diploma eltiist gatekeeping. Same with Finkel, all he has was ad homs just like you, why not debate the points? Anybody who says "i'm too good to debate this person" tends to never have any counter. it's a cowardly excuse.

@HUGEFLYINGWHALE

29 күн бұрын

​Yep I would guess that to someone who's not emotionally involved, destiny comes out more convincing than norm​@@b.ballooon9225

@wapi8411

28 күн бұрын

@@b.ballooon9225 no one said he had a lot of money, what kinda straw man argument are you making...

@b.ballooon9225

28 күн бұрын

@@wapi8411 No I'm not strawmanning. People only respect Finkel because he has a diploma from an ivy league college, in order to get that, you usually have to be richer than the average person. You are appealing to authority, your only argument defending Finkel is his fancy diploma, no substance in your defense, its' just "he's an expert". That's appeal to authority. Get it? I'm not strawmanning, I'm directly responding to your appeals to authority. Appealing to authority is elitist and aristocratic.

@b.ballooon9225

28 күн бұрын

@@wapi8411 You strawmanned me by not understanding the connection between money and diplomas from fancy colleges

Who in the f**k is even putting Destiny in the same room as legitimately educated people? Why was he even speaking? Insufferable and infuriating this is where we're at. Christ. Pathetic.

@bc4306

2 ай бұрын

Experts fallacy ... these morons never accomplish anything. Why respect such fools?

@jeyhunfazilov2060

2 ай бұрын

Destiny seems to draw much better conclusions based on facts that the finkeldick guy

@NetanyahuWarCriminal

2 ай бұрын

Thank you. Leave it to Rogan’s chair sniffer Lex Friedbrain to elevate the national discourse by inviting a guy who didn’t know where Israel was.

@GeorgeSavrille

2 ай бұрын

"Legitimately educated people" Oh brother. It's one of those comment sections.

@zakkziegler111

2 ай бұрын

@@GeorgeSavrille Nothing about that quote is untrue, man. I don't know what your point is.

Mr. Burrelli: "The quote is incomplete!" Reads complete quote ... sounds ten times worse than the original quote....

@AntiTheBird

2 ай бұрын

Even if you think it sounds worse, the full quote make's it so they are meeting their requirements for the genocide convention where as the edited quote makes it sound like the opposite...

@scottemmons6409

2 ай бұрын

Wouldn't Vietnam and Korea be considered genocide on the part of the USA also?

Can someone please explain to me wtf they are even arguing? I don’t understand who is fighting for who and what each position is. I’m so confused

@thejoin4687

2 ай бұрын

It's about Mr. Bronchialisti

@dfmrcv862

2 ай бұрын

Finklestein not knowing "state of mind" vs "special intent" when it comes to legal cases.

@iguacu3517

2 ай бұрын

Editor did not include enough context. It’s about a case brought by South Africa against Israel, in the international court of Justice and the Court, found that South Africa met the initial burden for their case of “plausible”. Despite professing that he read the case four times, Finkelstein clearly either does not understand the legal definition of plausible or willfully misconstruing it.

@Pixi49

2 ай бұрын

Left side of the table think Israel genocidal and right side is for Israel

The panel was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup at a deli.

@eastwaters4082

2 ай бұрын

A Seinfeld classic.

Perhaps u should specificly mention south african case in the title

It takes three minutes to get to nowhere and then the yelling continues to no end. Thanks for nothing

Actually its the hosts fault to not step in and make those two let others speak.

Dude is a gamer ,why on earth would he consider himself , informed ,educated enough to open his mouth in the presence of 3 experts on the matter

@anacc3257

2 ай бұрын

"Expert" is a vague and loose term these days. Destiny often performs better in debates than those who claim to be experts. Norman kept insulting Destiny for hours during the discussion and is very biased on the subject. Not what an "expert" typically does.

@nkadenrs703

2 ай бұрын

@@diogenes. He was not laughing at him, you just make stuff up to make yourself feel better. There's literally no reason to even think that lmfao

@ParadeofCrows

2 ай бұрын

@@anacc3257Wtf you mean "performs better" than experts, the dude constantly shows that he does literally nothing but form a dumbass opinion and then read wikipedia pages with that opinion in mind to "prove" is preconceived notion. He does nothing but routinelt embarrass himself and drama farm.

@gador789

2 ай бұрын

@@ParadeofCrows By Norms own words, he read the case 4 times but still confuses "mens rea" and "dolus specialis" which is stated multiple times in the case Norm supposedly read 4 times. Norm then call Destiny a moron for pointing it out, how disingenuous can you get? Destiny also reads out the so-called quotes used in the report that were butchered and all context removed for them to fit. This is absolutely absurd.

@ozymandias8523

2 ай бұрын

I have 50 million power on rise of kingdoms so ...

The way he literally brought a starbucks cup ON PURPOSE. Damn, why'd anyone stoop so low

On that last point Benny conceded - I was shocked. Is it a valid claim that Palestine lost their whole country? Did Palestinians have more power being occupied by Britain then they do as minorities in Israel?

@xenophiliuslovegood6914

2 ай бұрын

This framing is off. Think of all the other colonies that became independent states after WWII. Britain could have easily left Palestine an independent state.

@plutopulp

2 ай бұрын

@@xenophiliuslovegood6914 Britain actually promised them a state for helping fight off the Otomans. They promised a lot of things..

@canalphi2673

2 ай бұрын

@@plutopulp They made a generic promisse to all arabs that they would be free, but did not say how or the borders

@SonHNguyen-qz5dg

2 ай бұрын

@@xenophiliuslovegood6914 Even if the British did, the Jews would revolt either way and form their own state

Israel Side: 🤯😡😤😠🤬🤬🤬🤡 Palestine Side:🤯😡😤😠🤬🤬🤬🤡 Lex, supposedly moderating: 🤗

@CaDzA818

2 ай бұрын

Very true, its soo hard to listen what is even going on.

@January99th

2 ай бұрын

It’s almost as if debates are fucking stupid and redundant

Why was Norm seemingly desperate to make Destiny Italian? (Borelli?)

@eugenekrabs869

2 ай бұрын

It was a different last name each time, I choose to believe he did it for the fans because it's really funny when you see how consistently he'll pick a new variant each time.

@BrianDgreat123

2 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure he did it intentionally to show that he doesn't hold destiny in high regard.

@rosenfaust

2 ай бұрын

Calling someone by the wrong name is a show of disrespect, doing it with a different name each time shows he's being *intentionally* disrespectful. Destiny may be the only one at the table who didn't write a book on the subject, but Norm is the only one at the table who had to result to name-calling, ad hominem, and acting generally childish.

@mpurusho

2 ай бұрын

@@rosenfaustyeah, you can’t say your interlocutor is ill-informed and childish and then act this way.

@eugenekrabs869

2 ай бұрын

@@rosenfaust resort to implies he didn't both destroy destiny the mutes childish points and disrespect him for thinking he deserves a spot at the table

That’s a good point sheesh that is the point 👏🏾

@yms8280

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

Norman Fikelstein reminds me of that short dude from that video that rants to some dude playing the saxophone or something: "You suck! I played with Bruce Springsteen".....same accent, same tone , same everything

Mr Duracell, "please stop displaying your imbecility." 😂😂😂😂

Why’s destiny here somebody explain

@lain5858

2 ай бұрын

Because he is more relevant than you?

@cieply1234

2 ай бұрын

Because Lex though Destiny would be a good addition, and seems like according to many he was right.

@billsmoke4919

2 ай бұрын

@@lain5858 Dude you're in this entire comment section defending Destiny, find better heroes...seriously. Dude is an ill-informed, nihilistic gamer with depression. You can do better.

@meganuke9091

2 ай бұрын

​@@lain5858destiny gay lover here to give destiny rim job.

@untruereal

2 ай бұрын

are you gonna say this on every comment ​@@lain5858

how does finklestein not know what dolus specialis is its written in the case a bunch of times

@dino9921

2 ай бұрын

Where in this do you conclude he doesn’t know what that means? He’s angry at Destiny because Destiny snarkily remarked “Did you even read the case?”

@jdgoesham5381

2 ай бұрын

He didn't read it. He prob skimmed or read what others said about it. But that's how he rolls today. Dude is so bad faith and disingenuous I can't even watch him anymore. He's like a child.

@bentoomet8805

2 ай бұрын

@@dino9921because he conflated mens rea and dolus specialis, which implies he doesn’t know the distinction and therefore doesn’t know the definition of dolus specialis. Which is a term used 4 times in the report he claims to have read 4 times.

@mottebailley4122

2 ай бұрын

@@dino9921Well he confused mens rea and dolls specialis, which are related but different concepts.

@dino9921

2 ай бұрын

@@bentoomet8805 No he didn’t. You don’t have listening comprehension skills.

What makes this type of 'exchange' almost untenable are the repeated interruptions coming mostly from the Borelli side of the table. I agree with Norm that Borelli did not know what he was talking about. Borelli claims to be able to debate anyone and he probably would. He would therefore sorely lack the requisite knowledge to have any debate in any subject.

@AntiTheBird

2 ай бұрын

What did he say that was wrong?

@dfmrcv862

2 ай бұрын

Interruptions? Literally 8 seconds in Finklestein interrupts Destiny.

@whodis3560

2 ай бұрын

@@dfmrcv862 no no you don’t get it. Twinklestein doesn’t interrupt, he explains you see, because Mr. Vermicelli only read chapter 6 of the Wikipedia tweet and doesn’t know what happens in 7. Therefore, Fickleween as a scholar is obligated to educate him.

@helloisitmeurlookingfor5898

2 ай бұрын

@@dfmrcv862lmfao

@AikidoTubeSock

2 ай бұрын

@@AntiTheBird Pretty much his framing of each point he made. The mental gymnastics necessary to regard an apparent genocide as acceptable were breathtaking.

I really needed to come back to this video to comment that people just need to go read the South Africa case to see that Destiny was right that Norm didn't read the case. Dolus Specialis is mentioned on page 2. The full 84 page case is online and easily accessible. Even if you don't want to read the case you can search (CTRL F) the term in the case pdf online for both Mens Rea and Dolus Specialis to see that Mens Rea is never mentioned while Dolus Specialis is mentioned 4 times. Quote from the South Africa case page 2 "South Africa’s case is that those acts and omissions are genocidal in character, as they are committed with the requisite specific intent (dolus specialis) to destroy Palestinians in Gaza as a part of the broader Palestinian national, racial and ethnical group."

@b.ballooon9225

Ай бұрын

Crazy that people think Finkel is smart, dude had 40 years to prepare and still knew less than Destiny.

@barackobama8869

28 күн бұрын

I have a question. Did the ICJ ever rule out that Israel ever committed a genocide in Gaza?

@b.ballooon9225

28 күн бұрын

@@barackobama8869 innocent before proven guilty especially for such high charges.

@barackobama8869

28 күн бұрын

@@b.ballooon9225 alright so if I got it correctly, please correct if I’m wrong but, the state of Israel is not committing a genocide right now because the evidence is there at the moment?

@b.ballooon9225

28 күн бұрын

@@barackobama8869 There is no evidence that is correct. South Africa presented some quotes but most were misquoted and out of context. The court decided that it was plausible that the genocide convention could be violated, but that's not them specifically saying it is. It's them saying it is a possibility, but so far there is no evidence of it. So basically, as of this moment, there is no evidence that Israel is doing genocide.

When your best argument against someone is to insult the arguer rather than the argument you already lost.

@CarlNipmuc

2 ай бұрын

You just described the entire value system of the western world

@trugrit7210

2 ай бұрын

Finkelstein was there to debate someone knowledgeable on the subject. He wasn't there to debate someone who learned about the subject yesterday.

@localistmagic641

2 ай бұрын

@@trugrit7210 This concept of character assassination/discrediting/poisoning the well is rather new to me. I've always engaged with someone's arguments regardless of who they are or how they learned their information.

@ikramqamar7786

2 ай бұрын

Just so you know Norm wasn't there to destiny. He doesn't have Time to argue with kids who learned about the issue just one day ago. He was there to debate someone else.

@Tigo625

2 ай бұрын

@@CarlNipmuc Science and reason were invented by the Western world.

I was wondering why the kid from Zombieland was debating Norman Finkelstein and why Norman kept calling him versions of the word Broccolini.😂

@b.ballooon9225

Ай бұрын

I'm still wondering why anybody takes Finkel seriously when he justifies Russian Imperialism. You have to be a racist against Westerners to support Finkel.

Okay, do they ever talk about Dolus Eventualis then?

@b.ballooon9225

Ай бұрын

Nope, Finkel distracted away because it made him look bad.

Wow Destiny got roasted. He barely spoke, and when he did he was dismissed and ignored. Norm telling him to shut up was the most acknowledgement he got.

@jaredmello

2 ай бұрын

Did we watch the same clip?

@ParadeofCrows

2 ай бұрын

@@jaredmelloYes, you're a destiny fanboy, Norm revealed him to be as uninformed as he is - he looked like an arrogant petulant child in this debate.

@jaredmello

2 ай бұрын

@@ParadeofCrows if he did it should be easy to explain what destiny is wrong about. Lets hear it, I’m all ears

@masonmcgowan2825

2 ай бұрын

@@jaredmellolmao so you’re saying it should be easy to explain a why someone is wrong about a conflict/occupation that has been ongoing since the beginning of the 20th century; that it can be described or refuted in a mere few words. There is an entire history of displacement, murder, and abuse that is also currently unfolding to this day. Trying to explain that to someone who is so unwilling to hear anything other than what they think is anything but easy.

@gador789

2 ай бұрын

@@masonmcgowan2825 It's probably a pretty good thing that this comment was about this 6-minute-long video instead of the entire history of the conflict then. It shouldn't be too difficult to shed light on what Destiny got wrong in this video, should it?

Destiny is literally scrolling through wiki how is he fit for the debate he didn't even knew about this topic before October 7th

@b.ballooon9225

Ай бұрын

How is Finkel fit for a debate when he doesn't have good footnotes, constanlty references his own writing, defends the Charlie Hebdo shootings, and Russian Imperialism. Did you notice all my criticism were legitimate, about principles and real beliefs? While yours are just "Wiki wariror hur dur elitism silecne all non ivy leaguge people hur dur hur dur" You're all ad homs, at least my issues with Finkel have to do with his beliefs and writings, your issue with Destiny is just you don't like him. That's not a good counter.

This is really annoying!!! Just let eachother speak, and come to the conclusion by sharing thoughts. Be open for relevant information, but please stop fighting. Let someone finish his sentence.

@joelmiller3218

2 ай бұрын

Should've been finkelstein and benny Morris 1 on 1. Destiny was a huge clown in that room and his mere presence there is an insult to all 3 of them, including Lex. Destiny should stick to being a gaming streamer.

@AntiTheBird

2 ай бұрын

@@joelmiller3218 Benny would never give a clown like fink the time of day he was just there as a favor to Mr.Bornelli

@b.ballooon9225

Ай бұрын

Almost as if someone was being elitist the entire time and refusing to engage even though he agreed to a debate with that someone. Almost as if someone used their diploma and their own books as quotes and reasons why they shouldn't even have to counter the other. Good clue is, whoever refuses to engage, especially when they use ad homs and excuses like "You are beneath me" which is essentially all Finkel said to Destiny, that person has no counter, they have no points, which is why they refuse to engage. Normal people engage with people even if they are ignorant, Finkel proved he had no counter, normal people would love to dunk on people who are wrong, him refusing to proves he's got nothing to say. If Finkel had a counter, he would have said it, instead of insults like motor mouth. What a disrespectful pos Finkel is, imagine agreeing to a debate, but then coming just to meme and insult.

Unlistenable.

God it's crazy how unhinged Finkelstein sounds in every one of these clips. Literally never actually engaging with the point, always trying to obfuscate.

@Tiasung

2 ай бұрын

He is like that because he realised that contrary to expectations, (he is just some wikipedia, 35 year old gamer, what could go wrong kappa) Destiny is actually crazy prepared and a lot more knowledgable then him.

@Pennyroyal1652

2 ай бұрын

He has always been unhinged, look at his Charlie Hebdo statement, his statements for support of holocaust denial. The way he has used his parents being in Dachau to sell his bullshit.

@mikecynic5167

2 ай бұрын

Look who he has to deal with.

@zorbacosum1978

2 ай бұрын

@mainulhasanseam8739 If it's from wikipedia it should be very easy to counter argument and refute, right ? :) But senile Finklestein doesn't do that in 5 hours, he just acts like a petulant child.

@canalphi2673

2 ай бұрын

@@Tiasung i think you should read what appeal to authority means, lowest forms of argumentation, Fink does have more knowledgable but that means very little when you use that to manipulate information, that will make you an easy target, and he probrably did not read the documment, mens rea is not dolus specialis

All Finkelstein did throughout this conversation was scream and throw insults. How can anyone look at that man and say he has authority in any subject?

@galileogalilei9297

2 ай бұрын

Well, imagine the level of intelligence he speaks to if he has to speak that slow.

@nmc400

2 ай бұрын

His listeners are hasan watchers too so it dont even matter what anyone says so long as america bad.​@@galileogalilei9297

@captainchadapparelaccessor6556

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. Destiny finally exposed him for the lunatic he is.

@robertpirsig5011

2 ай бұрын

​@@galileogalilei9297Speaking slow has nothing to do with ones intelligence. Ben Shapiro would be a super genius in that case. But then again you probably think he is lol

@flyingpotato8627

2 ай бұрын

I know destiny's dick riders were going to come in here, but you have to be incredibly dishonest with yourself to say that. Finkelstein has decades of knowledge and study on this topic, several books written and read on this matter, and solid arguments that were faced with interruptions and whataboutisms. Clearly this shows more levels of authority than someone who is just a contrarian to get somebody's attention.

15-2 or 16-1 Pretty High...HORRIBLE THINGS HAPPENING

don't know who is right, but every time Norm opens his mouth I feel a little more stupid. The other guy on that side of the table should have been doing more talking.

@crunkalac

25 күн бұрын

Hmmm is erasing an entire people wrong or not? Gee idk who is right here? Its so complicated.

Love the debate but I think Lex should have put a stop to the ad hominem attacks toward Destiny. Once Finkelstein starts doing that, I know he has lost the debate

@LuLzick

2 ай бұрын

To be fair, Finkelstein calling Destiny moronic and explaining why his points are isn't really ad hominem.

@nicolaspace1182

2 ай бұрын

ad-hominem? Nah, that's literally the point he was trying to make in the moment though. He observed and correctly concluded he was dealing with a moron, and was able to articulate correctly why Destiny is a moron, that's on top of cooking him on everything else.

@AfroGaz71

2 ай бұрын

Sorry, not a Finkelstein fan, but Destiny clearly threw the first stone in regards to insults, by mockingly saying "did you even read the case". He played the man, not the ball.

@jumpman858

2 ай бұрын

I agree. I do the same if I lose a debate haha. I start insulting. Lex did a great job just being quiet but it would have been nice if I stopped it at insults.

@jumpman858

2 ай бұрын

I disagree. Calling someone a moron vs. asking if he read the case are completely different. Personal insult vs. specific question on the topic. Totally different.@@AfroGaz71

Id of really like to of sat in on this, get together to create a meaningful contribution and discussion. My submission to the icj was way before south Africa, and it was done in person, in fact i had accused south Africa of jumping the gun , in my meeting south Africa was present. I was advised that as this was a preliminary hearing, my time will come, as im working from the UN mandate and not the ICj.

This better than any comedy show 🤣🤣🤣

I found this insufferable

A 5-hour conversation should tell you all you need to know about someone. If you came away from this conversation thinking anything but that Finkelstein is a condescending, egotistical, and bad-faith intellectual, you are genuinely confused.

@dragonwest5844

2 ай бұрын

Every accusation is a confession. You are projecting there.

@txamish

2 ай бұрын

@@dragonwest5844 Every accusation of a projection is a confession. You are projecting there.

@mightyturnip5070

2 ай бұрын

I’m a destiny fan. But omg this debate would have been so much better if destiny wasn’t there. He added nothing and every time destiny would talk, finklestein would hand his ass back to him and benny Morris had to jump in to defend destiny

@dave4deputyZX

2 ай бұрын

Wrong. Finkelstein is extraordinarily patient, having been dismantling the insanely inhuman propaganda of the pro-zionist apologists for decades. Some facts: -Israel has imposed an Apartheid system on the Palestinians for decades, according to every major human rights org (including israeli ones), independent UN legal experts and even according to senior israeli officials. -Israel has waged a completely illegal war and blockade against Gaza since 2006, crushing its economy and killing and wounding tens of thousands. -the Israeli occupation of palestinian land is 100% illegal law. Accrding to the ICJ Israel cannot claim the right of self-defence against people it is occupying. -israel has a long history of war crimes and atrocities: massacres, snipers executing children, gunning down peaceful protesters, collective punishment against civilians, targeting journalists and aid workers and so on. -israel is one of the biggest purveyors of state terrorism in the world today. So yeah, the truth hurts ✌️

@txamish

2 ай бұрын

@@mightyturnip5070 I'm Finkelstein's son. But omg this debate would have been so much better if my father wasn't there. He added nothing and every time my dad would talk...

Hey you guys wanna know how we as a society have lost it? When we argue over semantics regarding ongoing genocide.

Wow regardless of how I feel mr morris actually conceding that a good point was made shows he is somewhat open to an actual discussion and not just blabbering off his talking points and staying deaf dumb and blind to the other side

@doesntmatter4136

2 ай бұрын

unfortunately this doesn't apply to the people on the other side of the table.

@ihsahnakerfeldt9280

2 ай бұрын

@doesntmatter4136f Doesn't apply to the Wikipedia researcher either

@breakupgoogle

2 ай бұрын

never does to zionists @@doesntmatter4136

@elhattabbachir3919

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@doesntmatter4136 I mean, people on all sides agreed that they could all incorporate extreme Palestinian statements as the basis of their argument. the problem with this kind of discussion is that one side (mr morris and destiny) refutes things that are considered common sense in the discussion, throughout this debate you notice that one side keeps saying: do you agree at least on this point? I've been debating for a long time, and to me it's a clear indicator of intellectual dishonesty.

@JBHACKSAW

2 ай бұрын

​@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 and yet he is the only one who has the ability to acknowledge Palestinians had a just cause in 1948. Rabbani literally said in successive sentences that October 7th was justified but 'swords of iron' was not. Even when hamas held hostages after raping indiscriminately and murdering 850 civilians in a coordinated attack on individual homes. Shameless, one sided and rightfully powerless.

why does finkle sound like he has dementia

@glasgowblackchigowski6117

2 ай бұрын

He always talked that way, it's his way of cementing an articulate point into your mind so you don't misquote him.

@user24350

2 ай бұрын

Because your 40¢ earphones from TEMU aren't working properly

@tengu8560

2 ай бұрын

Talking slowly it’s for you dementia? We truly live in a time were people is as superficial as they can get

@helenakolar

2 ай бұрын

Because he does not have it. Be careful, you might get old too.

Should have mentioned the psychotic "Amelek" Bible reference Pipi Netanyahoo quoted: Genocidal Intent 💯

@b.ballooon9225

Ай бұрын

Should also mention Putin's Nova Russiya stuff, it is relevant because Norm calls himself an anti-Imperialist yet supports Russia who is way more Imperialist than Israel, way more settler colonialism, way more ethnic cleansings, gulags instead of ghettos, its way worse. 300,000 Muslims killed in Chechnya. Hundreds of thousands dying in Ukraine, you cannot hate Israel but not Russia, it's pure hypocrisy.

Why doesn’t Lex direct this more? He has to make sure they dont talk over each other. I couldn’t hear anything.

Destiny dosent belong in this room. i would love to see Pape and Morris talk it out.

@b.ballooon9225

Ай бұрын

Finkel doesn't belong in the room, 40 years and he has nothing but insults and "gotchas" to bring to this discussion, he was a drain on the whole convo, Destiny learned more in a few months than that brainwashed Charlie HEbdo shooting defending crazy pop historian.

Even if Finkelstein was right here(I honestly don't know who is) he would have lost me by his attitude. He lost his temper completely. Arguing by insulting an opponent is basically a moment when one lost a debate. Finkelstein in that case. He looks overconfident and arrogant. Talking to them as if he had the arcane knowledge, was smartest in the room and they had no idea. I would rather have him kicked out and hear Rabbani debate with Morris. They seem to have the most reason here.

@bigboi2724

2 ай бұрын

He has the arcane knowledge. He's clearly a level 10 wizard.

@The911watch

2 ай бұрын

I would loose my shit to if I was invited to debate seriously amongst other world renowned scholars, and this arrogant Twitch kid shows up, thinking he knows more than these university professors, smirking and laughing about this genocide. Finkelstein was right to put him back in his place.

@Tiasung

2 ай бұрын

Morris, definately. Rabbani? Nah. He was spin-doctoring the entire debate. He's pretty good with language and the way talks tho (likely had high level diplomatic or intelligence agency training), so most people will be fooled by his seemingly cool-headed demeanor. You have to have an excellent control of language and narrative forming, to see how he uses primers to push a larger overall narrative. In a way its much worse then what Finkelstein does. Only idiots will be fooled by Finkelstein, but most people will be fooled by Rabbani.

@nicolaspace1182

2 ай бұрын

Morris is a huge liar, been caught lying so many times. You didn't even know he existed until this debate happened, I am giving you an out by saying that, because otherwise you somehow missed the fact that he is a liar that has been caught lying many times.

@FBZOMBlES

2 ай бұрын

he's pro palestine, being mentally unstable is a requirement

Use personal insult and ask someone to shut up should be an automatic defeat

@stanpennycook5414

2 ай бұрын

Not if there talking utter rubbish but it always seems that its like a Jewish fight no fists thrown but lots of shouting and abuse but these lightweights can't compete with Norman Finkelstines intellect he seems to have read everything on this subject and will quote chapter and verse of UN ICJ rules and regulations I think he's marvelous a sane voice in amongst the criminal insane.

@JET7C0

2 ай бұрын

"Destiny" sarcastically asked him if he "even read the report". I don't get how everyone's pointing out Finkelstein's insults, while ignoring it's in reaction to a sarcastic insult in the first place, as if sarcastically asking "did you even read the report" is a sophisticated and reasonable argument.

@zorbacosum1978

2 ай бұрын

@@RusticKey if you don't know the difference between mens rea and dolus specialis that has been used 4 times in the said report that you claim you have read 4 times, it's a normal pertinent question. So called "expert"... what a buffoon...

@elhattabbachir3919

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@zorbacosum1978what about mr morris double standard about the extreme politician statements ? Isn’t that buffoon behavior?

@elhattabbachir3919

2 ай бұрын

@@zorbacosum1978 can you give me the difference between « means rea » and « dolus specialis » ?

Since we are speaking facts, it took 17 years for the court to rule that Srebrenica was in fact not a genocide.

I love how respectfully and creatively professor norman insults

Aside of the meme value, Finkelstein was absolutely wrong and Mr. Borelli was right about dolus specialis. Yet what did he do in the next minute: pompous whiny shouting "I'M SMARTER YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO ME". this kept happening throughout the interview and this toddler style behavior is what lefties took as Finkelstein "owning" Mr Morrello.

@IAmNumber4000

2 ай бұрын

Bro. Zionist leaders have been EXCEEDINGLY clear about their special intent since the founding of Israel. The land they wanted to colonize as an ethnostate already had people living on it. Explain how you find this issue complicated.

Ahhhh. The debate we didn’t know we didn’t need!

Deep subject.

Whenever you are talking to someone whose sole objective is to "win" then you are wasting your time talking to them. They will say anything to win.

@b.ballooon9225

Ай бұрын

Yah, Finkel just threw ad homs and elitist gatekeeping shit, no counters at all, dude didnt' come to debate, he came to just meme.

How embarrassing

@b.ballooon9225

Ай бұрын

especially the comments, bunch of classists acting like you need a fancy diploma to have an opinion on this topic. If Finkel truly outclassed Destiny, he would have countered him with more than Ad Homs and ignoring. Anybody who says "You are below speaking to me" actually tends to have no counter themselves and just using it as a cowardly excuse to not engage.

Who won so I can support them?

@garrettsaylor2739

2 ай бұрын

This is honestly funny af

@j.a.6310

2 ай бұрын

Israel seems to be winning more than the rape squad toilet rocket guys, so hop on.

@LeonEdwards-lt1bn

2 ай бұрын

Destiny got destroyed

@maroonblood151

2 ай бұрын

@@LeonEdwards-lt1bnby insults and no counter argument. Gotcha.

@rap1897

2 ай бұрын

Benny morris corrected all of them Norman was the worst part of this debate like it or not Just insults no counter argument Pure disappointment

As a non-native english speaker is very hard to follow the arguments when they didn't let anyone finish

When you don’t have a counter argument to make benni morris: that’s good point

HAHAHA! The best part of this debate as that Destiny is the only one who knows dolus specialis - For an act to be classified as genocide, it is essential to demonstrate that the perpetrators had a deliberate and specific aim (dolus specialis) to physically destroy the group based on its real or perceived nationality, ethnicity, race, or religion. On a panel of lifelong historians about Israeli genocide, only the 35 year old podcaster actually knows the law. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

@toneloke454

3 күн бұрын

👏👏👏 exactly, there’s so much cope here from the norm fans, all they can do is act like saying his make different ways is somehow owning him. Norm is a fraud, always has been

So disingenuous of Destiny right off the top. Saying the allegations are not even well founded.

@donnyhuynh2298

2 ай бұрын

Destiny’s referencing that in the ICJ, in an document from Judge Nolte, the ICJ is not currently being asked whether South Africa’s allegations are well founded. It could be the fact that they are after proper investigation, but no international court is yet determining that the claims of genocide are well founded.

@rodneydowd4739

2 ай бұрын

@@donnyhuynh2298 🤔 🤷

@xXindesposableXx

2 ай бұрын

He is quoting the ICJ case..

@AntiTheBird

2 ай бұрын

It's literally a quote from the case...

@canalphi2673

2 ай бұрын

@@AntiTheBird you think ad hominem is valid argument, this shows why Fink makes such huge success, you did not read the document just offend the person that showed that you didn't read lol

Finkelstein sounds like the dentist from Fairly OddParents

“Look at the American Supreme Court today. They support Trump”. Ugh. What a mess we have here in the US.

There were 3 people in this debate and another guy. I didn't know anything about this Destiny guy before and I still don't. Did he have to pay to be on this?

@AbtinX

2 ай бұрын

He looks like a schoolboy in class, and he's failing the course

@radreynolds8978

2 ай бұрын

@@AbtinXProvide examples. If he's so inexperienced and poorly read on the topic, it should be easy to point out where he's incorrect. Go ahead.

@AbtinX

2 ай бұрын

@@radreynolds8978 that's the point. What IS he actually saying? He's all over the place arguing things that make no sense. I got one of his points clearly, that the court ruled that there was no genocide taking place. That's incorrect, the ruling isn't finished. He's impossible to take seriously. To me he's just a grifter

@AbtinX

2 ай бұрын

@@radreynolds8978 he doesn't read anything. He looks at Wikipedia pages and websites. He has no education, he was a Casino employee for Christ's sake. He's sitting next to three senior intellectuals

@radreynolds8978

2 ай бұрын

@@AbtinXZero examples provided, you're proving my point.

First I thought he was trolling and then I realized when he tried to debate Norm, that Destiny is actually that stupid. 😂🤦‍♂️🤡