Full podcast episode: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y4yTrcakn6reg9Y.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzread.info Guest bio: Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris are historians. Mouin Rabbani is a Middle East analyst. Steven Bonnell (aka Destiny) is a political livestreamer.

@mofishin2648

2 ай бұрын

Have to laugh at all the "Why is Destiny even there" comments and "imagine Norm having to debate a youtuber on his lifes work" Yet they don't have examples of him being wrong and even Norm was reduced to name calling because he couldn't disprove anything he was saying. Benny, the actual historian agreed with all of Destinys points. The cope is unreal, that's not even mentining Norms own neighbor situation ... lol!

@lucavelli9723

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂​@@mofishin2648

@AdamDorfman82

2 ай бұрын

Norman Finkelstei and Mouin Rabbani are so disingenuous HAMAS broke a ceasefire and surprised people at a music festival: killed 250 unarmed civilians at the NOVA music festival and less than 20 additional people who were security or army at the site. That makes a civilian to soldier ratio of 10:1 IN GAZA - there is a war, so civilians were warned out of 30,000 death, 15,000 are HAMAS militant (Although Hamas refuses to say its casualty numbers to manipulate the number) so that's 15,000 civilians to 15,000 militants That makes a civilian to soldier ratio of 1:1 HAMAS kills 10 civilians for 1 soldier vs. IDF Kills 1 civilian for 1 militant and Hamas commits daily war crimes (Militants don't wear a uniform and hide under or amongst civilians) ITS OBVIOUS HAMAS has a greater genocidal intent whereas IDF has a military goal the only difference is the scale of the operation.

@ag225-ml

2 ай бұрын

@@mofishin2648 he has no business in this debate. He mischaracterizes a number of items in the debate. For example, 22:40 , 23:25 etc. He does KZread/Wiki research, has no academy training and should like an uneducated sycophant. He has no business sitting next to Benny Morris or Norman Finkelstein.

@SlZIJI

2 ай бұрын

"America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world's biggest welfare state that we will create and control... This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly." Benjamin Netanyahu, 1990 “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas.” - Benjamin Netanyahu (2019) “In the visible dimension Hamas is an enemy, in the hidden dimension it is an ally.” - IDF Major General Gershon Hacohen (2019) “Israel started Hamas. It was a project of Shin Bet.” - Charles Freeman, US diplomat and ambassador (2006)

why is Destiny even allowed to be in this room?

@roundedges2

2 ай бұрын

Because Nutty Norm is?

@henryonealtwagirayezu2987

2 ай бұрын

@@roundedges2”Nutty Norm” lmaoo im sure that will catch on🤣

@ghiorghetatarescu3649

2 ай бұрын

​@@roundedges2Finkelstein is the son of holocaust survivors, a academic, historian and sociologist. destiny speaks fast

@garethlewis1984

2 ай бұрын

You say those things like any of them makes him any less of a bullshitter.@@ghiorghetatarescu3649

@VaQm11

2 ай бұрын

Good question.

putting Finkelstein and Destiny on the same debate is like putting the son of holocaust survivors, a academic, historian and sociologist on a debate with a streamer who "reacts" to youtube videos (steals content) while 15 year olds spam in his chat - oh wait, that's exactly what it is.

@user-rg8eh8rl6k

2 ай бұрын

Every time he spoke you have to laugh bro couldn’t even point to Israel on the map before Oct 7.

@seamussmurf3866

2 ай бұрын

@@user-rg8eh8rl6kif he’s so dumb, point out where he was wrong. Headass.

@PhilosophyofGuitar

2 ай бұрын

And yet Norm HAS TO keep saying "I know more than you" instead of demonstrating that he does. Norm's points are unbelievably predictable for a "scholar": anti-jew, anti-charlie-hebdo, pro-russia, pro-holocaust, pro-palestine WITH NO NUANCE. He's a woke/communist shill hiding under the guise that he has a degree in Israel-Palestine relations. Norm squirms and squeals a lot like an old lady too... Just thought it'd be interesting to mention.

@PhilosophyofGuitar

2 ай бұрын

And yet Norm HAS TO keep saying "I know more than you" instead of demonstrating that he does. Norm's points are unbelievably predictable for a "scholar": anti-j, anti-charlie-hebdo, pro-russia, pro-holo, pro-palestine WITH NO NUANCE. He's a woke/communist shill whose position merely reduces to "anti-west at all costs" hiding under the guise that he has a degree in Israel-Palestine relations. Norm squirms and squeals a lot like an old lady too... Just thought it'd be interesting to mention.

@keithparker1346

2 ай бұрын

​@@PhilosophyofGuitarhe's not woke at all

How can he say Christendom aimed to repay a debt to Jews with someone else's land with no hint of irony. Balfour simply "changed his mind" at the exact instance that it served British colonialism?!?!? GTFOH!😂

@Freemouse159

2 ай бұрын

It's crazy isn't it, Christmas owes us so Christmas must pay with Arab land and Blood.

@John-bravooo

2 ай бұрын

Millions of muslims balkanizing europe. Dont care about jews in israel. At least they dont need welfare.

@acaydia2982

2 ай бұрын

Because that’s how the world worked back then. It was Christendom prior to the Arab Conquest that took over more than half of Christendom at the time. The Berbers and Arabs got the US involved in that part of the world again. I don’t think this will ever end, unfortunately. 😣

@John-bravooo

2 ай бұрын

Arabs colonized 3 continents. Muslims stole from Christians, Hindus, Jews etc. And Jews purchased every inch of land legally through 1948. The Muslims purchased nothing, they just invaded, colonized, imposed the jizya on pre-Islamic civilizations etc etc

@JamesJackson-up2pj

2 ай бұрын

Talk that shit

"I attach value to every word i say". "Mr. Borelli"

@aidoskashenov4532

2 ай бұрын

Is because there is no value in mr. Borenabellini

@goldenbox7803

2 ай бұрын

Horrible man

@andrewmoore7544

2 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking 😂

@jorgemartinez42069

2 ай бұрын

​@@aidoskashenov4532 Dinklebot 😂

@herooja

2 ай бұрын

Well he should have said Mr " books are a waste Borelli" ,since that is the only "useful" 😉 thing Destiny said during all of this

This debate gave me Tourette’s

@eugkra33

2 ай бұрын

You should start streaming. It pays.

@katpuss6564

2 ай бұрын

Me too. I found myself yelling 4k off every time Borelli spoke. Someone should have supervised his meds before he went into this 'debate.' I've never heard such crap ever fall from anyone's mouth as he vomited.

@MK-hw2ir

2 ай бұрын

@@katpuss6564who’s borelli? The one in the blue shirt?

@TheMalteseFury

2 ай бұрын

Tourette’s*

@BarcaHannibal

2 ай бұрын

​@@katpuss6564what did you EXACTLY disagree? Quote one point og his.

Was Lex present or did he just leave the room halfway through the debate?

@ThumbsHunter

2 ай бұрын

He passed out after 2 hours and had to be reanimated.

@srjhr

2 ай бұрын

@@ThumbsHunter Damn, forgot to recharge his lithium-ion batteries again

@thegoblin9387

2 ай бұрын

​@@ThumbsHunter Something about how you described this is very funny.

@Zomgtforly

2 ай бұрын

he got sick of hearing Destiny talk at 2.5x speed

@srjhr

2 ай бұрын

@@Zomgtforly Destiny can't help himself, he takes the same "meds" Shapiro does.

Norm: I've read him Destiny: You don't understand him Norm: Believe me I'm a lot more literate than you Mr Borelli 😂😂😂

@snoopcelev1590

2 ай бұрын

When the author says as much I tend to side with Mr bornel

@12thninja

2 ай бұрын

@@snoopcelev1590 What if the Prof was lying

@RightWingRadioShow

2 ай бұрын

@@snoopcelev1590 Good for you being naive like this.

@PhilosophyofGuitar

2 ай бұрын

The fact that you have to SAY that you're more literate than someone because you can't DEMONSTRATE that you're more literate. What kind of person in a convo needs to tell you "hey I'm a PhD and you only have a bachelor, so I'm smarter and everything I say is right?" It's like a flat girl in a bikini trying to seduce you by SAYING "I have huge front and back sides, you know?" Well we can witness that it's not the case, it's pathetic.

@Aj-qb3pr

2 ай бұрын

I wish he would have also said Mr. Fonzereli

Mr bonocheli did awful in this debate

@ThumbsHunter

2 ай бұрын

Please be careful with your words, like I am, Mr. Tortellini.

@moe3235

2 ай бұрын

Yea, he did nothing but obfuscate, and derail. His "talk fast while getting into the weeds, minutiae, and nuance, and get lost in trivial nonsense just to claim to be right about trivial, irrelevant things" didn't work in this debate That tactic usually doesn't work on adults. His fans do the same shi 🤣 They all focus on Norm getting irrelevants' last name wrong instead of every time duckstiny got shushed for another 40 mins after saying something stupid while the adults were talking 🤣

@mrashad219

2 ай бұрын

What did you expect from a college drop out in a debate with scholars who spend their life studying a subject.

@AndrewMitchell-oc6mz

2 ай бұрын

You mean 'did awfully'? Whatever about the Middle East and Ukraine going up in smoke, standards must remain!

@sbeast64

Ай бұрын

Mr Boccherini had better arguments, but I like the debating style of Mr Spaghetti

Listening to this debate was good until destiny opened his mouth

Who is this Israeli ben shapiro? Talking fast doesn’t make you right.

@musicmadebyai

2 ай бұрын

and one would point out what hes wrong about instead of reverting to insults, we call that a ad hominem attack

@RightWingRadioShow

2 ай бұрын

As opposed to non Israeli ben Shapiro?

@AM2K2

2 ай бұрын

​@@musicmadebyai Destiny fan boy - no one cares about ad hominem 🤓

@JusticeIsALie

2 ай бұрын

Mandark

@mattfrost

2 ай бұрын

@@musicmadebyai one doesn’t have to “point out” ben shapiro is wrong.

What people don’t understand, and I think Norman should’ve made this clear, is he was pressing Benny because he believes, as do others, that Benny is distancing himself from his prior words because of the views he espouses in recent years. I think Norman should’ve made that clear so Lex understood where he was coming from. I personally think it was obvious why Norman was holding a historian to his words, but I feel Lex is a bit too naive to get that.

@Ahmadj03

2 ай бұрын

Spot on! You could tell how adamant Prof. Norman was to hold Benny Morris to account, but Lex seemingly wanted his buddy Destiny to get some airtime here, so he let him completely reduce what would otherwise be an intellectual conversation to a bickering back and forth on disjointed minutiae that Destiny would spew out haphazardly.

@Crimson50

2 ай бұрын

I think the counter argument to that is that Finkelstein was picking quotes out of context and using the as "gotcha", when they lacked full context/meaning.

@frmrfr

2 ай бұрын

Because even Lex was able to understand the full context after Benny explained it. The only person in the room who DIDNT seem to understand was Norm, because it blew up all his points.

@735337707

2 ай бұрын

The actual reason is that Finkelstein quoted parts of Morris' books out of context. Morris then proceeded to correct him, to give full context. Neither Finkeldick nor his fans seem to comprehend the full context.

@renatopereira2315

2 ай бұрын

I love how everyone who says Norm took Benny out of context literally have never read a SINGLE word of Benny's books. The point Norm was trying to make is that Benny is walking back on his prior points and for ANYONE who has read Benny that is OBVIOUS. He can state it was "out of context" all he wants, it becomes obvious once you read the books.

That moderator isn’t doing his job lol

@user-by6fp4ov3k

2 ай бұрын

He said he chose not to intervene to "represent the very real tensions that exist in this topic in the real world"

@tylergraham6662

2 ай бұрын

@@user-by6fp4ov3k woah big if true

@firingallcylinders2949

2 ай бұрын

I prefer it this way, I don't like when moderators interrupt non stop like Piers Morgan for example.

@outlandish8

2 ай бұрын

He’s a pretty bad moderator and interviewer in general

@system.out.printlnsmartert5781

2 ай бұрын

How...dare...you...

Hard to believe this is one of the highlights from a 5-hour debate.

@charleshowie2074

2 ай бұрын

Not when the issue is Israel-Palestine it isn't.

@jeremysmith8035

2 ай бұрын

Jews are so desperate to be the victims , stopping indiscriminate killing on both sides is not antisemetic

The double standards applied for Palestinians is incredible. What a great catch with the only safe place for jews was Palestine. I'll use that for sure in future. Morris cornered himself.

@user-we4ih1tp7n

2 ай бұрын

why? it was under britsh control,not palestinian control. the brits made sure after the great arab rebellion that the arab militas are quelled and no more massacre occur against jews,like 1929 massacre. jews had equal rights to arabs and if the arabs hoarded weapons -so did the jews. mizrahi jews in the rest of the middle east couldnt do so and suffered many pogroms without means to defend themselves. same with christian and yazidis in the rest of the middle east...

@brandonellis8111

2 ай бұрын

Majority of people that support Palestinians act as if they're the most innocent and purists people in the world. They're on their way to claim October 7 is a peaceful protest.

@francogiobbimontesanti3826

2 ай бұрын

But at the time it was the only area that allowed Jews to migrate. So yeah it was the only safe heaven

@davidmc8475

2 ай бұрын

“We didn't take a foreign land and we didn’t exist on the spoils of other nations, but on the lands of our fathers that through the years was illegally seized by our enemies. We, when we had the opportunity, restored our birthright.” _- Simon Maccabeus (135 AD)_ Simon Maccabeus led a Jewish army to defeat of the Seleucid Empire (Greek). This was prior to the migration of Arabs into Israel from Egypt, Jordan and Syria in the 7th century AD. Jews have lived on the West Bank since ancient times. The Judea and Samaria Area of the West Bank covers a portion of the territory designated by the biblical names of Judea and Samaria. Both names are tied to the ancient Israelite kingdoms: the former corresponds to part of the Kingdom of Judah, also known as the Southern Kingdom; and the latter corresponds to part of the Kingdom of Samaria, also known as the Northern Kingdom. After the War of 1948 17,000 Jews were expelled or ethnically cleansed from Jerusalem and an estimated 40,000 from Gaza and the West Bank. Jews were prohibited from living in those territories during Egypt's and Jordan’s occupation from 1948 to 1967. Jews were not allowed to worship at the western wall when Jordan occupied Jerusalem. Jews began to settle in the area again after it was captured by Israeli forces in the defensive war fought in 1967. Judea - Samaria - Jerusalem - Hebron - Nazareth - Galilee all names from the Christian Bible which came after Judaism but before Islam.

@Hashashin_420

2 ай бұрын

@@francogiobbimontesanti3826 So the palestinians were the only one willing to allow jews to migrate. They were also providing them a safe space. And they are still some how partially responsible for the holocaust? And this is how they have been repaid over the decades by jews? Jews really are some grade A traitors. Perhaps the eurpoeans were right to treat them the way they were treated.

I mean the base of this whole discussion is just wrong. The British decided to give population X the territory of Y i mean WTF??? How do you fix such a colossal fuck up?

@SeanMoore

2 ай бұрын

I am not a bible thumper by any means but I am reminded of the verse about the sins of the father being passed down “4 generations”… I think this is axiomatic of our biology and our shorter life spans and even shorter memories and attention spans. We need some way to retain the worthy knowledge of the past without saddling it with all of our emotional baggage. Not to diminish the baggage but it becomes a generational albatross around our necks. We may be wearing gold chains but but they are still chains keeping us in thrall of the blind, deaf and foolish.

@xorealslowmd

2 ай бұрын

Have you heard of war? Heave you heard of the Ottoman Empire? Have you heard of… uhh Nevermind

@SeanMoore

2 ай бұрын

@@xorealslowmd have you ever heard of the Geneva Convention and why it was drafted in the first place? Your feau realpolitik is weak.

@anthonyb4424

2 ай бұрын

@@xorealslowmd you mean the Ottoman Empire that the British overthrew with the alliance of the Arabs. And so? Still doesn’t negate from the fact that who the fuck is Britain to promise the land of other people to a population that didn’t participate in so called war and got it purely out of a quick fix. Setting it up to be a mixing pot of fuck ups. Ah not much sense, talk before you think :) uhh never-mind.

@Bendylife

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. How can you blame the Palestinians, who already feared a takeover of their home, for pressuring the British to stop its mandatory immigration campaign, but not turn the same blame onto those more powerful nations, the US (Give me your tired, your poor, / Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free) in particular. Especially when they KNEW for YEARS about Hitlers extermination of the jews as it happened. It's very clear zionist have never and will never see the Palestinians as a legitimate people who have rights to their home, rights as much as any other nation. It was very clear the intention of the British to ignore the wants of Palestinians in favor of setting up a colony in Palestine

Did Benny just say in the middle of WW1 the British had an ideological bout of Christian remorse for the Jews, and thus created the Balfour Declaration. 😂😂😂😂

@plumbus813

2 ай бұрын

Not the British, but Lord Balfour

@willemmyfoe1397

2 ай бұрын

Insane as if the europeans didnt just want to kick out jews ... its not antisemitic if it serves zionist ideology, i guess. just like evangelical's dream of a rapture of all christians while jews stay on earth to all die thats why they wasnt israel to exist.

@mkwke215

2 ай бұрын

He was referring to Balfour. Benny literally said "he changed his mind".

@AerialDP

2 ай бұрын

@@plumbus813 I think the US are more likely to ban guns than the British Empire ever doing something unselfish. Let alone at the peak of the only ever world war (at the time). I’m afraid it exposes some naivety and wishful thinking in Benny. (who seems like a good guy) The Rothschild were also not known for kindness or generosity. I dare to ponder if Rothschild finances could have shaped the outcome of WW1. (Don’t worry I am not a CT)

@willemmyfoe1397

2 ай бұрын

@@mkwke215 thats some cope from benny lol

Why did they bring Destiny for?

@osagieagho7375

2 ай бұрын

Try to solve that riddle. It makes absolutely no sense for him to even be sitting close to these guys.

@franciscoalmeida9019

2 ай бұрын

To bring his viewers to boost the video ratings is the only altruistic explanation

Dear Norm, I listen to you at 1.0 speed. I appreciate you and what you say

@sh8nn0n92

6 күн бұрын

💪❤️🥳

For someone like me who isn't versed in the topic at all, this debate didn't do anything to help me understand it further, unfortunately.

@cookieking1996

2 ай бұрын

Did you not listen?

@Thegabub

2 ай бұрын

All debates are performative. It’s for the people that already agree with one side or the other to cheer on

@pvd9085

2 ай бұрын

@@Thegabub I've seen plenty of debates on many topics where I learned a lot. This is just 27 minutes of people on the left saying one thing and the people on the right saying another. Both claim to speak about facts and one guy is busy with ad homines against another debater. Lex should have intervened more often to steer the conversation towards something more fruitful.

@katelyn9677

2 ай бұрын

I don't think debates are great for learning things. They can be manipulative and its hard to fact check in real time

@Srfs777

2 ай бұрын

This debate is more interesting for folks who are a little more seasoned on the details of the conflict. No problem on your end.

Some zionists did negociate with the nazis. And Jabotinsky, famous zionist, was a Big fan and Friend of Mussolini. He regarded fascism as an inspiration. Netanyahou's father was the personal secretary of Jabotinsky...

@randomkyle3

2 ай бұрын

Mussolini wasn’t a nazi, just so you know

@njm5642

2 ай бұрын

@@randomkyle3he didn’t say that

@jjd2737

2 ай бұрын

Well Jobitinsky founded the Irgun which was a terror org, similar to the Lehi. The Haganah was the force controlled by the mainstream Zionists. The Zionists weren’t a fan of fascism, they were leftists primarily. Lehi and Irgun, that’s a different story. And they didn’t negotiate with the Nazis. The head of the Lehi, Stern, asked Hitler to move the Jews that he was oppressing in Germany, to Mandatory Palestine, and in exchange stern would fight for him. The mainstream Zionists hated this, along with his terror activity, and actually hunted Stern and tried to kill him. The British police killed him in 1942.

@katpuss6564

2 ай бұрын

Not only did they negotiate, they welcomed the idea of the 'wrong sort' being removed, and kept out of Israel when it was created..

@KinanSamsung

2 ай бұрын

Nazi have 150thousand of jewish soldier

“The biggest insult to the memory of the Holocaust is not denying it but using it as an excuse to commit genocide against the Palestinian people.” Norman Finkelstein

@w0lov

2 ай бұрын

*Antisemite Norman Finkelstein

@km1985

2 ай бұрын

@@w0lov these days everyone is an antisemite ... if you are pro israel you are antisemitic against palestinians...if you are pro palestine you are antisemitic against jews

@ProgressiveWindsor

2 ай бұрын

If Norm Finkelstein believes this, he needs to change his view on being pro-ethnic cleansing immediately.

@spoopyidk

2 ай бұрын

@@w0lov nothing wrong with that

@wingamwila4113

2 ай бұрын

Keep crying 😂😂😂😂

Why is Destiny apart of this? Does he have any expertise on this subject we aren’t aware of?

@mikerosoft1009

2 ай бұрын

No idea, he's a joke. He shouldn't be there.

@poiuyrvsdg2

2 ай бұрын

He was willing to take part and the decision of inviting him or not was up to Lex, I imagine je will address this in the near future since so many comments qre asking the same question

@ivanabibe160

2 ай бұрын

Spent months reading about the conflict, verifying sources and debating people on the subject, anyone who spends enough time studying a specific topic and has valid questions about it can participate in conversations. And from what I can see he has a better understanding on the topic than Finkelstein at least

@catbread2585

2 ай бұрын

@@ivanabibe160 Lmao you cant be serious, regardless of political positions, you cant tell me there was none from the right more informed than a youtuber that has been studying a 75 years conflict for “months” 😭😭

@caitthecat

2 ай бұрын

​@@ivanabibe160🤣🤣🤣 You can't be serious! Finklestein has been a scholar all his life! No one else is seeing what you're seeing here.

I have listen carefully and twice this long podcast...I am worried, and sad, because the almost impossibility of a dialog even among reasonable parts...I can not imagine the interplay among vast populations of non reasonable persons...its worrisome and an appauling feeling of no hope in a workable, satisfactory to both parts solution, arises. Darkest times we are living.

@CenteneCentene

2 ай бұрын

If you take out destiny from this show, the podcast would have been a lot more reasonable.

@tonydalton459

2 ай бұрын

@@CenteneCenteneYes, he is more than annoying, and as for anybody who chooses to call themselves “destiny” . I found Mr Rabbani very impressive, calm and reasoned. Even Benny Morris, though I wouldn’t agree with him politically, at least he was reasonable.

@willystravinsky3814

2 ай бұрын

'I can not imagine the interplay among vast populations of non reasonable persons' i mean destiny is there... so yes you can imagine

@DrDanQ92

2 ай бұрын

The whole project of colonialism is not reasonable, of course there can be no solution on such premises.

@Orlando2914

2 ай бұрын

Destiny called himself Pro-Genocide. I find that unreasonable.

One side is arguing for their side. While the other side, is arguing for Justice. Why is this dude smiling & laughing whenever he justifies arguing against being wrong?

My jaw fell on the floor when he said the West/Christian world OWED the Jews and should be given someone else’s land😂. Meanwhile he’s probably against reparations for blacks😂😂😂

@franciscoalmeida9019

2 ай бұрын

Search about the Rothschilds. It had nothing to do with repentance against jewish persecution in medieval times and everything to do with rich euro-jewish families influencing Britain's foreign policies

@laz3ra

2 ай бұрын

what reparations? The West enforced the end of slavery!

@mikkeldavidsen7352

Ай бұрын

He’s for it tho 😂

@musungutuloko

27 күн бұрын

If Morris is correct, the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living under the jewish state would have lived in a democratic society and probably had equal rights. Yes there were asshole extremists, but mainline Zionism was idealistic in its democratic and often socialist principles. Why was it so important for Arabs to have sovereignty over every inch of land? They were upset that they had to give up power and for some 'foreigner' having sovereignty over any territory, not for the welfare of the people who lived there.

Rabbani is very impressive. Very clear in his thoughts and very articulate. Not sure what Destiny is doing here.....clearly outmatched in all departments other than maybe talking too fast.

@sidechannel5510

2 ай бұрын

He's there because of his popularity and how many kids he brainwashed.

@adamsina6390

2 ай бұрын

Yes I don’t understand why Burrelli is sitting there… very incoherent.

@user-dt1zx8mr3x

2 ай бұрын

Rabbani spews horse shit from his mouth, but as long as he’s saying what you want to hear it’s okay

@MuhammadWaqas-zv6qz

2 ай бұрын

@@user-dt1zx8mr3x I cannot claim the validity of his points, especially when it comes to every single detail of the historical context of this issue. That said, after watching the whole debate, it's pretty clear that Norman and Rabbani had significantly stronger points. The other guys just sounded like they were trying to come up with ridiculous reasons for justifying Israel's brutality, which has been going on for years.

@user-dt1zx8mr3x

2 ай бұрын

@@MuhammadWaqas-zv6qz I felt like norm and rabbani were doing the same. To be honest the brutality of Israel has been horrendous but so has Hamas’s. And the reality is that the Palestinians support Hamas. I feel like picking a side in this conflict is ignorant if you can’t recognize how both sides have committed atrocities and both have reason to hate each other.

Why is dna testing illegal in israel? Please someone tell me

@moeftw6792

2 ай бұрын

because jews are not nativet to Palestine, they invaded canaanites to exist there in the first place while Palestinians are native and direct descendants of the canaanites

@Zbuttcheeks

2 ай бұрын

it's not...check 23andMe for example, they have a list of countries they ship to, israel is on the list

@masterindisguises

2 ай бұрын

Because the zionist are white europeans and not real Semites of the land

@sbeast64

Ай бұрын

Because Mr Borelli says so!

@TheHoodVoice2024

Ай бұрын

​@@ZbuttcheeksDNA testing is not banned in Israel. The Genetic Information Law, passed in 2000 amid privacy concerns, conditions domestic testing on a doctor's prescription or court order, & that testing be done by accredited labs. Commercial ancestry tests can be purchased from abroad.

22:45 he was just a young terrorist man. There are so many great quotes from this show.

@12thninja

2 ай бұрын

A young terrorist became Prime Minister and the country became a utopia and lived happily ever after with it's neighbors. The end 😂😂😂

@Jomchen

2 ай бұрын

almost shit myself when he said that.

@goldencalf5144

2 ай бұрын

Interesting how many young terr0rists rose to become Prime Minister of I$rael

@Int868

2 ай бұрын

😂 let it go, he was just a young terrorist but accept our stretched arguments of how Palestinians were responsible for the holocaust.

@deficrypto1234

2 ай бұрын

Zionism is simply indefensible.

The Balfour declaration, or any post colonial declaration for that matter, are merely words that hold no currency as to the contemporary disagreement of people on the ground.

@lordlorian81

2 ай бұрын

Yep If you analize today And dress it on the past You can see similarities Politicians all over the world lie and manipulate all the time Like always So why politician of the past need to be considered as angels of pure truth

@amaneehmeh8756

Ай бұрын

you must be joking ! it gave the green light for more people to go on THAT ground in the first place. I am from a country that was colonized and post colonial declaration of our independance shaped the whole futur of our country and we're still dealing with its consequences to this day .

@StephenGoodfellow

Ай бұрын

@@amaneehmeh8756 Your point being?

The British defeat of the Ottoman Empire in 1918 thought it gave them the right to sell land an re draw border lines in the middle east.

@gurucave495

2 ай бұрын

The defeat of the Ottoman empire was a result of the Arab Revolt. The Brits made a deal with the Arabs in exchange Arabs would claim their own territory. This is probably the real reason for Persians and Arabs not getting. Persians felt betrayed. However the Arabs were betrayed by the British ....twice. 1. Britain made a deal with France for Arab territory without Arabs knowing it...and to the Balfour declaration. Had it not been for the Arabs revolt the Ottomans would not have been defeated.

@mariamavi6769

2 ай бұрын

But british issued Peels Comission which grant Palestinian freedom in thr next 10 years. It mever been realozed but their neighbouring countries get it, like Syria, Lebanon, Egypt-they got the right to self determination from british

@roundedges2

2 ай бұрын

The Muslim defeat of the people that were there before thought that it gave them h th he right to sell and redraw border lines in the middle east and wherever else the Muslim and Ottoman empire extended. That’s how Constantinople became Istanbul, genius. Exactly the same. True in both cases. Yes, wars are not fought with blood and treasure spent for things to stay the same as before the war. Why else bother?

@CommandG0

2 ай бұрын

And they also promised it to the Saudi's. Winning a war doesn't mean you get to do ethnic cleansing on a land. You just own the land.

@mariosa9729

2 ай бұрын

The british fucked over the Palestinians by promising them their own state hood if they revolted against the ottomans which led to the arab revolt speeding up the defeat of the ottomans. Then the sykes picot agreement happened.

"YOU DIDNT READ HIM I READ HIM" "HES SITTING RIGHT HERE"

@TheOldGuest

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, and he was lying about what his previous words meant because they go against what he espouses today. Why is that so hard for Destiny fans to grasp?

@WJHDetroit

2 ай бұрын

Norm was so frustrated with this because Benny was obfuscating and denying things he knew was true. And shame on Lex for allowing that.

@ghosthunter0950

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheOldGuest bruh, you can go read it yourself. the entire paragraph talks about the violence of Arabs against Jews being the reason for it.

@evanr5871

2 ай бұрын

@@TheOldGuesti read books, you react to youtube debate clips. we are not the same.

@KingJoker31

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheOldGuest you can't possibly know if he was lying unless you can read minds, which you don't. Norm took quotes out of context and tried to assign them his own meaning instead of asking Benny to clarify his words. Keep coping partisan hack.

That gamer guy only takes his eyes off the screen to completely derail the debate

Destiny is so out of place 😂😂

@yakinthebox

2 ай бұрын

well yeah every time he tries to say something norm lashes out "MR BERNOULLI, MR BORELLI YOU READ 2 WIKIPEDIA ENTRIES"

@itsspookie

2 ай бұрын

​@yakinthebox well yeah, imagine having to debate someone against something you've made your life work. Versus, someone who had to do some online research before showing up.

@Srfs777

2 ай бұрын

@@yakintheboxseems like a bit of an over exaggeration…he did it twice but apparently it was enough to pierce right through your feelings so you’re here complaining about it. A video game streamer vs a scholar….

@m.j.e.5245

2 ай бұрын

People who's life work it is are too close to the problem. That's why outsiders come in to clean up companies, they dont have all the personal time investment and scruples with other academics. Norm is threatened by destiny so he belongs there

@jorgemartinez42069

2 ай бұрын

It's so funny how all of the Dinklestern fans have been spamming comments like this over and over, and yet I've never seen a single one be able to say what Destiny is wrong about. They either just shout/cry/defecate their pants or repeat the word "Wikipedia" and think that makes it look like they have an effective rebuttal 😂

Why is Destiny a part of this grown up discussion?

@evanr5871

2 ай бұрын

superiority complex exhibit 3

@sunmoonplanets2978

Ай бұрын

4 the clicks

The question is whether the Israeli state is an apartheid state or not. The Nazis had many supporters in the world and even in the US and west in general right? The Koch and Bush families for example - to name a couple powerful families who supported the Nazis. And the royal family wore Swastikas as a joke. And then after the war Nazi scientists were given sanctuary and immunity in the US in our centers of industry, military, and intelligence. The underlying dissonance is the idea that a state can be a religious ethnic state but also be at the same time a liberal secular democratic republic.

@truelies5431

2 ай бұрын

BINGO

@contrarygirl

2 ай бұрын

THIS!👆100%!!!!!! So very well put 👍

@amsz6326

2 ай бұрын

I see u trying to connect the dots, israel is not an apartheid state. I live here, and anyone who lives here finds these statements plain stupid. Muslims have the same rights as jews, thats a fact , muslims reach all the positions of power just like jews. Top judges, pariliamebt members in jewish parties and out, key figures in the military. You can theorize as much as u want ,on the ground there is no apartheid.

@jorgemartinez42069

2 ай бұрын

And yet, the US foreign policy was to fight the Nazis in opposition to the people you mentioned. But al-Husseini, the Mufti of the time, literally met with Hitler to figure out how to best work with the Nazi agenda. So it's apples to oranges. You're comparing official policy of a government to the beliefs of some private people. It's dishonest and you should be ashamed of your little parlor trick.

@JJ-qc6lh

2 ай бұрын

If you have to dig so deep in order to find a reason for israel being an apartheid state that should tell you all you need to know. Apartheid is blatant and harsh. The fact is the israeli arabs, whether muslim or christian, enjoy the same rights and privileges that israeli jews enjoy... So much so that an arab israeli judge sentenced a jewish israeli ex-prime minister to prison. In an apartheid state, that would be impossible.

Mr. Broccolini did terrible in this debate

They are having a good conversation until minute 19:20, when mr Burrelli accuses finkelstein of lying and misrepresenting a book of benny morris... he didn't read it, at most he knows the summary of wikipedia. I get why finkelstein got triggered.

@jamesshepherd9390

2 ай бұрын

Because he is an insecure manchild incapable of having constructive dialogue? There is literally an hour before this of clip of Finklestein adhoming destiny out of nowhere, then when Destiny simply calls him out for lying, you're on Norm's side? You're insane. Benny literally agrees with Destiny's interpretation over fecalstains.

@user-qc4yp2ch4p

2 ай бұрын

Finklestein got triggered because he’s a nut

@dfmrcv862

2 ай бұрын

But... Destiny *did* read it. And Norm *was* misrepresenting it because he wouldn't give the full quote, he'd just give half of it and then accuse Morris of lying.

@afterglow5285

2 ай бұрын

i am referring to this clip, not whatever cope talking point you heard . There is no discussion about UN around my timestamp.

@dfmrcv862

2 ай бұрын

@@afterglow5285 they are arguing that Benny Morris tried to downplay a terrorist's actions. Morris is explaining that there is a difference in a man elected to be leader forty years after his actions as a young terrorist. Where exactly does Destiny accuse anyone of lying here? Cause in that timestamp he doesn't say anything about lying.

why the fuck is destiny even there

@awadhhasan5937

2 ай бұрын

He is Zionist plant

@TrueLife..

2 ай бұрын

Welcome to the social media era, people like destiny, Shapiro, that blond bimbo, and Hassan etc would have been laughed into obscurity 30 years ago.

@areichental

2 ай бұрын

Probably so norm could insult someone else rather than spending 5 hours misquoting benny to his face.

@timmysleftnutsack5075

2 ай бұрын

@@areichental no it’s because he has a humiliation fetish

@ericfromeng

2 ай бұрын

@@areichentalCope for your debate daddy. Destiny got rolled

"You guys are trying to claim...." when the "guys" are quoting the text.

Mouin Rabbani impressive

@katpuss6564

2 ай бұрын

✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔✔

Was Palestine the only safe place ?. Mr Morris doesn't have any answers

Curious choice of thumbnail, Lex

@michaelhart8401

2 ай бұрын

Right, no bias from Mr. Mossad

@doroncohen259

2 ай бұрын

its a real picture showing the subject of this clip? nothing more too it defneding whats displayed much?

@GUILLOTINE_GANG

Ай бұрын

Its not a coincidence ​@@doroncohen259 that he chose a picture that painted starving people as Nazis. It is pure bias, wether or not your hasbara programming allows you to see it as such.

Wish there was a moderator let one person speak at a time and then let there be a counterpoint.

Generally speaking, I hate that everything is a f’n debate. That always makes it only about winning the debate and never about actually discussing things in a productive manner. They’re just waiting for their turn to speak and ways to counter what the other person is saying. It seems like no one ever actually truly listens to what the other is saying. They only hear that they mentioned this, now I can say that. SMH It’s why we have many of the same problems we had 100 yrs ago.

@Slurpy2k8

2 ай бұрын

Yep, Destiny did not learn or absorb a single fucking thing, even though he was in a room with someone who has literally spent his entire adult life studying Gaza/Palestine (Finklestein). So, so gross. Always just waiting for his turn to shriek HAMAS over and over again. He knows fuck all about the topic, zero insight or understanding of history and yet he acts smug AF.

@katpuss6564

2 ай бұрын

You are talking about motor moth, the other three did listen to one another.

@AquaticSkipper

2 ай бұрын

​@@katpuss6564 Are you nuts? The guy got talked over and interrupted extremely rudely in this for hours, until the interim where Lex and Benny talked about how Mr Morelli should return the favour and be hostile back

@mcbltgaming3694

2 ай бұрын

It's funny because the same people who say debates aren't productive, are cheering on finkel using ad hominems and are cheering on finkel refusing to engage because he is a "streamer"

@ericfromeng

2 ай бұрын

@@mcbltgaming3694Ad homs in response to someone calling him a liar and stating he's misrepresenting a book that the accuser didn't even read. Justified in my opinion.

"10 years later, all of the sudden..." yeah, he said that 😂

@_Noopy_

2 ай бұрын

but that is a grammatically correct way to say: "nothing happened for so many years, and then all of a sudden one day xyz happened"

@Raistlin7070

2 ай бұрын

Dont bother explaining to youtube idiots who have no ability to think for themselves

@Perrin2323

2 ай бұрын

@@_Noopy_ yeah, i mean. Everything eventually happens all of the sudden. In this sentence however he assumes that during 10 years there was no relection whatsoever regardless a later change of mind on a specific issue.

@FullOnMetalHead1995

2 ай бұрын

thats not the dunk that you think it is chief

@evanr5871

2 ай бұрын

@@FullOnMetalHead1995it’s not that deep chief

Round 2 pls!

This was the debatest debate of all time.

Lol this was a debate between three people and a reddit gremlin in the corner speaking up at random interrums

@VaQm11

2 ай бұрын

Exactly! 🙄

@patrickbateman1660

2 ай бұрын

He literally fits every reddit stereotypes down to the bekng cucked.

Really good points being made here, but there should be some control on the cross talk, I don't know how, maybe give each side a limited time to speak and stick to it. Easier said than done, I know!

It was very enlightning - please do watch it if as it as one of the few discussions that is laying out the sentiments and facts - some disputer and some agreed upon.

Wow. A schmorgasborg of a conversation.

@bloodriguez7550

2 ай бұрын

Smorgasbord, chef.

@amankhehra8718

2 ай бұрын

Two groups of people who arrived with absolutely zero intention to listen to the other

@TheRealFranc

2 ай бұрын

Smorgasbord: a buffet offering a variety of hot and cold meats, salads, h'ors doeuvres, etc. ( Yummy! ) Alt: a wide range of something. In this case, a wide range of opinions, perspectives and observations. ( Yummy! )

@turojarvenranta

2 ай бұрын

@@bloodriguez7550 Smörgåsbord.

Why is Destiny so propped up?

Mouin's demeanor during this debate was absolutely excellent and it shows the training he has received over decades to keep his calm while discussing these matters with people who cannot admit to facts, history, or the literal words they have said. He and Norm did an excellent job in adequately addressing the idiocy coming from the guys who spoited the words, "I don't care" a million times during the debate. They simply do not care about any perspective other than their own.

@katpuss6564

2 ай бұрын

Mouin is my hero now, calm and knowledgeable.

@a_yusuf

2 ай бұрын

I think he was too polite, within the debate i saw like this too morons on the israeli side claiming all the nonsenses without any shame, and to opposite this lie a liked how professor Fl just insult them to clarify they really essence. Sorry for my english, it is third language

@frmrfr

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. His calmness and demeanor is unmatched, even when constantly interrupted. Didn't appreciate his throwing around "white supremacy" at the end though just because he had a disagreement over Jim Crow.

Benny Morris:" British mandate Palestine was the safest place for Jews to flee to" Also Benny Morris:" Arab Palestinians were horrible and hostile towards Jews ,they even met with Hitler" Me : come again

@frogprincereader

2 ай бұрын

The original plan was to send them to Madagascar 🤓

@youngscholarslibrary

2 ай бұрын

I bet Germany and Soviet Russia was cozy💀

@aymenboussouar1880

2 ай бұрын

Vatican also was celebrating hitler birthday I think Israel have the right to build settlement there

@herooja

2 ай бұрын

@@youngscholarslibrary and how about US ? UK? Australia? Canada? South America? South Africa? Those countries wouldn't have been safe for Jews also?

@user-we4ih1tp7n

2 ай бұрын

besides of the english speaking world, palestine was the safest place as the brits made sure the palestinians dont commit too many massacres against the jews. they didnt manage to prevent 1921 and 1929 massacres of the arab grand rebellion,they sure fought hard to engable it. it sure was the safest place for jews across the middle east,because there jews could bear weapons to protect themselves. the jews of baghdad in 1941,jews of tripoli and egypt in 1945,jews of aden and alepoo in 1947 couldnt protect themselves.

Im in a debating course and I decided to apply shapiros and destiny strategy of speaking a lot of gibberish per second, you can see it as a talent or not but I’m quite good at it. Some of my group were bamboozled, some were confused and two could keep up and call out most the trash I was saying

17:00 “ugh you like to quote things” that maybe my favorite line

@theredgoblin562

2 ай бұрын

"He changed his mind"×5

@ChipMHazard

2 ай бұрын

I was absolutely perplexed by Morris' response to Finkelstein quoting Morris's literary work. Morris is a historian with more than one book under his belt. He shouldn't be surprised that people quote his work back at him when his current statements seem, at least to Finkelstein, to contradict his previous statements. People can certainly change their minds over time, but doing so selectively, and without acknowledging it, does give rise to others calling it out.

So these comments are "why destiny" with literally not a single argument anywhere against his actual arguments or points. This is a real time feed of people being exposed to opposing views for what reads like the first time ever. Keep doing these debates Lex, well done for doing this. You'll get people talking instead of outrage at all opposition

@MyPimpedOutMuslim

2 ай бұрын

Because they’re all addressed in the podcast, there is only so many times one can say “Destiny is making things up and going against the dozens of reports from the UN and human right groups” because he wants to be a contrarian and meat ride the IDF, and act dumb

@TheOldGuest

2 ай бұрын

Okay, here's one argument for you to ignore: Destiny's point about the 4 children was a lie - as Norm points out, there were journalists there that saw it was a fishing shack. And even if the kids were leaving the super secret compound (they weren't), they're still CHILDREN.

@timmysleftnutsack5075

2 ай бұрын

You mean the girl that was on his iPad looking through Wikipedia while the other men had it memorized?

@WoodyVuko

2 ай бұрын

He wasn’t even listening half the time because he needed to google most of the topics. It was embarrassing

@frmrfr

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheOldGuestwasn't a "lie". And again, these are drone strikes. Maybe you didn't pay attention at all when they explained that A. Drones can't really tell children from adult and B. That call came from the top. If you think a call to spend several million dollars worth of ordinance to kill 4 random kids came from the top, then you're slower than I thought

Norman and his partner were very informative, and I appreciate the other two guys.

@jeremysmith8035

2 ай бұрын

It's not as if sunak has any influence on Israeli policy he's just using it as a wedge issue to cause division

Good point about speeding up Norman's speech. I've been doing it for a long time.

Why is Mr. Borelli even allowed in on this debate?

Hope people can see how vicious and disturbing this debate is, and the very real role that historical scholarship plays in shaping public opinion. Hopefully it will inspire genuine ppl to become historians, Cos trust me a lot of the academics running the show in the supposedly 'left' humanities right now are mostly just concerned about prestige and money and are very questionable.

12:50 beware of the illusion of knowledge and have no fear in zemblanity

Eating these clips up. I know Norm from The Adam Friedland Show #TAFS

Lex moderated this horribly. Finkelstein spent more time trashtalking destiny and Morris than debating. He was also screaming half the podcast. I don't care the reasons why Lex didn't want to intervene, it was a bad call. Finkelstein acts as a child, and should be moderated. At least Rabbani behaved like an adult.

My mum is 92. She saw and heard one of the IDF on screen, Mr Lerner, and spent a week panicking that the real Nazi's are back. Mum has dementure. She needed sedative. We are British and Australian. Mum never looked at israel, never spoke their name.

@megatinmand5524

2 ай бұрын

What a weirdo, mum might need put down doesn't seem like she's all there

@alexanderwatters6556

2 ай бұрын

Compelling

@user-dr5jw8rj5n

2 ай бұрын

Wow how did she feel about israel did she have knowledge of them I've been studying them for 40 years I lived with them in brooklyn I observed there ways your mum was around much longer than I she should have vast knowledge of them

@hmmmmmmminteresting

2 ай бұрын

Cool story bro. 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱❤️❤️❤️

@user-dr5jw8rj5n

2 ай бұрын

@@hmmmmmmminteresting cowards

Mr Burrelli has got much to say 😂

Why is Destiny here with a series people having this conversation he is the ultimate contrarian.

That one Joker sounds like Carl Sagan

It’s your Prime Minister … Irrelevant …😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Destroyed 😅

@doesntmatter4136

2 ай бұрын

'someone who was a terrorist everybody hated in his 20s became a prime minister 40 years later when he changed his values, checkmate zionists'

@patrickbateman1660

2 ай бұрын

"You cant just hold people to what they have said!"

Who inserted the swastika?

@John-bravooo

2 ай бұрын

It's real photo

@danielreiss-cy4zr

2 ай бұрын

@@John-bravooo Sure, from Kensington Palace.

@alaanasser3243

2 ай бұрын

Lex the rebtile did that.

@Spengleman2

2 ай бұрын

@@alaanasser3243he doesn’t make his own thumbnails

@bradders9743

2 ай бұрын

Palestinians

09:52 that's very similair to what happened to the Algerians under french occupation, you see after jews fled spain during Visigothic persecutions and during the spanish reconquista, many of them settled in Morroco and Algeria... and under the French occupation many Jews sided with the occupation and were even offered French citizenship in return... and after the Algerian Independence, they opted en masse to be repatriated to France... some still live in Algeria and Morocco under Muslim rule Till this day (they're called Pied-Noir or the Black Feet)

@lesweizman388

2 ай бұрын

because as bad as the french were, they were a hell of a lot better to the jew than were the muslim supremacists

@robfl100

2 ай бұрын

Jews in Algeria were given citizenship by the French back in the 19th century, and before that, they would have been living as second class citizens or Dhimmis. So it's not surprising that some of them sided with the French. Of course, not all of them did, but the FLN still stripped them of citizenship, so they ended up having to leave.

@truelies5431

2 ай бұрын

@@robfl100 The point here is the Jews sided with the french occupation similarly to what happened in Palestine under the british occupation.. even though they were dhimmis meaning protected by the state to freely practice their religion and have full protection under the muslim rule they even had lower tax rates than the muslims..

@disdoncable

2 ай бұрын

@@truelies5431 You said "even though they were dhimmis meaning protected by the state to....." Protected by the state in the same way that local businesses pay "protection" money to the mafia i.e. to get "protection" from what the mafia would do to them if they didn't pay the protection money.

@truelies5431

2 ай бұрын

@@disdoncable No, ذمة can also be used on the kids and the wife... for example in arabic we say your wife is under you "dhimma" means you are fully responsible for her well being.. so the dhimmi people means the non muslims who the state MUST take care of.. or they will face punishment by God

This escalated beautifully...Love it

Great overview and analysis, especially Norman Finkelstein. Pro Israel debaters gave very illogical and inaccurate points. This is why they can never win the argument, as they can never justify their position to anyone with common sense.

@user-gh8is1up9m

2 ай бұрын

And constantly fear the points about to be made and interrupt. They must be taught this.

Lex, thank you for your effort to try to talk it out

@Raelspark

2 ай бұрын

yeah, thanks Lex ... now please go back to playing your guitar.

Watched entire thing. Excellent I wish Lix would have facilitated when they were screaming. Can’t hear. Nothing gets clarified. And no name calling allowed. NF should not be allowed to insult another debater. 🤯

Super great debate Lex! Can we do the Nelk boys vs Pavel Krasheninnikov on Russian history and geopolitics next!?!?

The British had always secretly "support" both sides against the other side and at the same time sow animosity between them. Divide and rule. Muslims and Jews had been living in peace for centuries until the British arrived. It was the same in India and all over their empire.

@roundedges2

2 ай бұрын

Living “in peace” as obedient, second-class citizens-or else…

@zacharypereira1450

2 ай бұрын

Please don't bring India into this conversation as Indian history is long and complicated and while there were periods of peace between communities there were also periods of strife and conflict. The British did not make Tippu Sultan the Muslim ruler of the Kingdom of Mysore intern the Christians. Nor did the British make Hyder Ali (Tippu Sultan's father) usurp the Hindu Wadiyar dynasty which had rule Mysore for centuries going back to 1399.

@bar4804

2 ай бұрын

@@roundedges2 Right, often the Jews were the second class citizens in those Arab nations. But yes, there was relative peace for hundreds of years, a long long time ago.

@beniluv3250

2 ай бұрын

I was a linecook in a restaurant in northern Israel some 17 years ago, the kitchen hand was a young arab guy, he asked me why the boss was always jewish and the kitchen hand was always arab. I told him that for many years the boss was arab and the kitchen hand was jewish and now it changed, and it might change again one day and again one day. He understood. Saying that, before I was a line cook I was a kitchen hand at an arab restaurant, so there are exceptions, naturally.

@roykeane1922

Ай бұрын

Ok I know very little about the Palestinian situation but you make it very clear you know absolutely fuck all about the history of India. Please respect your own ignorance

Destiny thinks he is smarter and more well read than Norman F. 😂😂😂😂

@user-yo1ee1ni7p

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Ksean29

19 күн бұрын

Finkelstein is a lunatic. If you watched Destiny prepare for this debate you know that he approached this discussion with humility. Finkelstein, however was the first to lobby personal insults at his advisory’s.

I realize Morris is defo a few notches above and far more literate and prolific as an author than Dershowitz, but sadly, he seems to share much in common w/ Dershowitz, like the double-speak and super Zionist spin on everything. The constant deflecting, etc. So sad. Really nice to see Finkelstein and Rabbani get some chance to enlighten during the discussion. "Destiny" is just annoying, mostly, but sometimes it's entertaining to see such a mismatch of wits.

@ob1kendobe

2 ай бұрын

I couldn’t beleive how disingenuous he came off with his many red herring quick comments and responses that not only were not relevant but seemed to purposefully misrepresent the argument of his interlocutors.

Why does KZread add context for ‘Holocaust’, yet does not do the same for ‘Nakba’? Oh…western bias….

What a mess

I didn't know Destiny is Italian, I thought he was Cuban.

@WUWHere

2 ай бұрын

He should go by the moniker Manifest Destiny.

@federiconoguera1162

2 ай бұрын

​@@WUWHereI love finding comments just dunking on that dumb ass. Thank you for your contribution.

@wfb.subtraktor311

2 ай бұрын

@@WUWHere Would definitely fit his politics...

Morris: "British jumped in and issued the Balfour Declaration supporting the emergence of a Jewish National home in Palestine which most people understood to mean eventual Jewish statehood in Palestine......" He slipped that little obfuscatory phrase in but Benny knows as well as I (and anyone who has read it) that the Balfour Declaration could never be interpreted as intending a Jewish State since it says: "it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". Way too much weight is given to the Balfour Declarartion which was, after all, simply a letter from Balfour to Rothschild saying "We like the idea of a Jewish National Home".

@hansfrankfurter2903

Ай бұрын

They however denied them "political rights". The earlier drafts of the declarations do mention a state. They simply hid their intentions in order not to antagonize the natives. You are however correct to point that legally speaking, and even at face value, this wasn't a promise of a state.

Did he say if israel would nuke gaza its still not qualified as a genocide? Please tell me I heard that wrong

Why is this self named 'destiny' character even there? He is nothing but a reactionary liberal debate lord.

@alexanderwatters6556

2 ай бұрын

I think it was to..... debate

@BG-Movie-Classika

2 ай бұрын

@@alexanderwatters6556 you have to have education to debate. He gets his propaganda from Wikipedia.

@chadlord3155

2 ай бұрын

​@@alexanderwatters6556 Then he should get better at it. This was a masterclass in how to look like a total moron by Destiny.

@sotirmilivojevic6233

2 ай бұрын

To get views from kids.. views equal money.

@alexanderwatters6556

2 ай бұрын

@@chadlord3155 Ironically enough, by people that think name-calling means you won a debate. Some of us have been watching long enough to know that good argumentation and solid reasoning hold more court.

Why is destiny involved in this debate?

@garethlewis1984

2 ай бұрын

Why is Norman?

@infernocomet

2 ай бұрын

Because Lex is trying to grift Destiny's viewership

@thenoseyskeptic

2 ай бұрын

@@garethlewis1984 Norm is a political researcher, Rabanni is a Middle East analyst, Morris is a historian….. and Destiny is a streamer with zero credentials. He’s clearly out of his element.

@thelobsterking1055

2 ай бұрын

​@@thenoseyskeptiche's representing a "populistic" mainstream point of view which is almost everytime ridiculous

@garethlewis1984

2 ай бұрын

He's clearly out his depth. That's why Destiny showed more knowledge after 3 months of research than a guy who's been studying his whole adult life, and was able to catch Norman out using quotes out of context that he didn't even understand. I don't think you seem to realise that citing Norman's credentials is more of a damning indictment than it is actual praise. Because for someone with so many credentials, his performance in this debate was utterly embarrassing.@@thenoseyskeptic

This is too peaceful of a debate. How dare they be so friendly with each other. No action. I like it much better when you have in there Shmuli and Douglas Murray and Dershowitz.

If all Hamas operatives locate to western border and civilians to eastern and Israel gets to fire only two missiles and finish this once and for all. Do they send one to each end? It seems one side thinks without doubts both missile to west end. While the other also completely believes it's 2 missiles to east end. That's end of debate what is there even left to say? Not only for Israel Palestine, but their respective supporters.

Just wondering why a bisexual video game streamer is part of the conversation

@curtmorrison5135

2 ай бұрын

Diversity :). Can’t have 4 white straight males in a room without getting harassed these days

@BarcaHannibal

2 ай бұрын

Ad hominems. Being finklesteinns water boy has its symptoms.

@garethlewis1984

2 ай бұрын

Because apparently being a "historian" like Norman is worth absolutely jack shit.

@VaQm11

2 ай бұрын

That's a good question, but what does his sexual preverence have to do with anything?

@ipadbossbaby4558

2 ай бұрын

More ad homs. Just like this "historian".

Just specifically listen to the part where they argue about Benny blaming Palestine on not accepting Jews trying to escape the holocaust. He says they refused to take them, without context of why. He makes the claim that because of this they were responsible for holocaust deaths. Across the table they ask why American and the UK isn't responsible when they also refused to take in Jews escaping the holocaust and his response is, "They didn't want to take Jews." As if this somehow explains a different situation or set of circumstances. There is no point in a discussion with these people when basic simple things cannot be agreed upon. They will constantly interrupt and when put in a corner, they will face the wall and deny it's a wall.

@olo_smooth_olo5606

2 ай бұрын

You cannot defend Israel to the level they do, unless they are biased and making bad arguments. Thats not to say Hamas is good or anything but the two parties both have violent leadership

@user-gh8is1up9m

2 ай бұрын

@@olo_smooth_olo5606Absolutely. Their arguments are fundamentally wrong. There is nowhere they can start from in history and paint themselves as the good guys or the victims. They created Hamas by their own behavior, just like every other resistance group in history has been created by the oppression of the people it's imposed upon. Think tanks, intelligence agencies and many studies have come to this conclusion. We know this. Israel ignore this knowledge and try to deter resistance by terror. It doesn't work.

The leverage game is written all over the place. You're all being played.

how slow can someone talk ._. why does he always talk SO SLOWLY and methodically it sounds super intentional

@ericmusgrove958

2 ай бұрын

if it’s that much of a problem for you your attention span has been tik toked

@user-gh8is1up9m

2 ай бұрын

He literally explained that. You know if you could focus for 26 minutes.

@germanrud9904

2 ай бұрын

i'm afraid you have stage 4 brain rot

@user-rg8eh8rl6k

2 ай бұрын

He said it was, if your not interested in the debate don’t click it.

@codylarkhart261

2 ай бұрын

Maybe so you can actually listen to what he says. People are so caught up in one upping each other in arguments that they literally talk just to argue without any conclusion or rational agreement on the facts and the real situation at hand instead of soothing ego's.

Lock these guys in a room for 10,000 years and they will still come out arguing. What a nightmare

Norman Finkelstein destroyed him😂

this is gold, love the banter between both parties, except probably the one person that sounded out of place

"Forget statements. You like to quote things." 😂

So, this is the supposedly respected, highly intelligent historian that many supporters keep referring to as some kind of titan of knowledge and intellect? Finkelstein is just a bigger joke than I ever could have anticipated.

Why is the dude to the left of Morris there?

@maxgeorge1463

2 ай бұрын

Who tf is Morris

@joyc9844

2 ай бұрын

he’s gotta get them rage click bait views

I'm embarrassed for anyone religious. If you all knew how you look to the rational and logical.