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@skellymen2395

6 ай бұрын

Title is wrong, should say PRESIDENT Cenk

@Mrizing

6 ай бұрын

For being so smart destiny you're not very smart are you!? First of all the people of Gaza are surrounded by three concrete walls with the fourth one being the ocean, Gaza has no port or control of a sea port of any kind, Gaza also has no ability to access its airspace up above with no self-defense systems of any sorts, you say Ham, uses people as human shields how? The people have nowhere to run do you not understand how tall the walls are that surround Gaza and the security that is around that perimeter? You do also realize that Israel controls its electricity and its water? Look the list goes on and on and on you either paid by the Israeli media company to promote Israel in a positive light or you're just stupid destiny which one is it?

@kenhiett5266

6 ай бұрын

How you're this spot on in high resolution but can't see the inevitably destructive ideology that has consumed the modern left is really confusing to me. You're fighting for a political party that won't just disappoint you but will continue the march towards authoritarianism if not defeated.

@gamedude412

6 ай бұрын

Kamikaze werent a terror weapon It was basically a guided cruise missile. It was seen as effective vs the training needed.And werent' thrown away weapon Kamikazes could return to base. There couldnt constantly return to base.

@DocRealTalk

6 ай бұрын

Hi, what headphones are you using?

If Cenk had only shaken his head one more time, he would've won this.

@koalabandit9166

6 ай бұрын

That's nonsense. Now, if only he had accused Destiny one more time of being racist, that would've been a different matter.

@henrikaugustsson4041

6 ай бұрын

I’m surprised his brain didn’t fall out, it’s definitely shaken loose or something..

@joshuas830

6 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@liadhol1

6 ай бұрын

*Shakes head*​ I won by your logic right? @@user-dm6oq6nh9y

@cuprince8569

6 ай бұрын

It's warcrime when Israel does it, but not when Palestine does it. According to the rules of engagement, Israel is still within its accordance. Get your head out of your ass. No military warns the way IDF does. You want to be stupid in the definiitions of genocide, regardless of statistical evidences, go for it! You have no credibility to say what is "right" at this point

From 'Hamas are not using human shields' to 'Where else can they fire rockets from except apartment buildings?'. Oh no Cenk....

@JaKeIsCoolGuy

6 ай бұрын

Can I ask you to… answer that question instead of just saying “oh no” Where in Gaza should Hamas fight from? Can you point me to an area somewhere during the conflict where they could have fought from where there would be no civilians around? I also disagreed with cenk literally until you wrote this comment and then I couldn’t answer myself where I think they should fight from Edit* I forgot to write “where Hamas would not be immediately destroyed” I always understood there are non residential areas of Gaza. The amount of you who all got your rocks off pretending like I’m some brain dead Hamas supporter are super cringe and the way you jump to conclusions reminds me of the convos I have in hasan comment sections. To everyone who actually engaged thank you!

@lookatmepleasesir

6 ай бұрын

@@JaKeIsCoolGuy they shouldn't be firing rockets in the first place. They shouldn't exist / be there in the first place.

@Mrmango7777

6 ай бұрын

@@JaKeIsCoolGuy but thats not the point. its more the fact they DO use human shields and even dress in civilian clothing.

@SiojaTke

6 ай бұрын

​@@JaKeIsCoolGuythe "oh no" is in reference to the 2 sentences being extremely contradictory. The second question implies that the first statement is just plain wrong. And to your point. Are you claiming there is no piece of land in Palestine that is not inhabited by civilians? I'm no expert at all on the geography of Palestine, but I find that hard to believe

@meganandrickys

6 ай бұрын

Madness

Lets say the Iron Dome did not exist for Israel. Wouldnt the Israeli casualties be a lot higher? Just because a lot of those were intercepted and a lot of civilian lives were saved from it... it doesnt mean that Hamas didn't intend to kill more civilian or couldnt have if such defense didnt exist. [Edit: spelling]

@partlycurrent

5 ай бұрын

absolutely!

@VetroMatt

3 ай бұрын

If the Iron Dome fell, Israel wouldnt exist cause Hamas would flatten it leaving millions of Jews dead.

@matttrembley8584

Ай бұрын

This is a great point. People are punishing isreal for being good at keeping citzens safe

This is literally facts vs feelings

@Jon_W_

Ай бұрын

Elaborate

@iodedonpepto

9 күн бұрын

@@Jon_W_I mean, watch the video. Destiny gave examples to back up what he was saying and cenk screamed and made stupid sounds

@Jon_W_

9 күн бұрын

@@iodedonpepto Destiny says if a peace deal was on the table that released all of the hostages Israel would accept it. That actually happened in real life a few weeks ago. Israel rejected it. How’s that for facts vs feelings?

>be cenk >says hamas doesnt use human shields >goes on to justify hamas using apartment buildings for mortar pits

@BrandonHeat243

6 ай бұрын

I can certainly get critizing the IDF and there's fair arguments to be made there but the people that straight up defend literal terrorists just blow my mind.

@H4nek

6 ай бұрын

Someone else here (apparently criticizing Hamas) said: "there is a difference between hiding among the civilians and actively blocking civilians from leaving the city where hamas is hiding." Sounds like it addresses your confusion.

@roguewasbanned4746

6 ай бұрын

@@BrandonHeat243giving all the extreme right wing arguments ammunition and justification. The Muslim bans suddenly got justified when even all these “westernized” Muslims came out and supported actual genocidal terrorists. Mia Khalifa fussed about Arabs getting stereotyped as terrorist supporters while supporting Hamas and Oct 7th in the same argument. I guess they can kiss good faith stereotypes goodbye. Idk why they can’t just cover for Hamas smartly if they’re going to do it.

@NYScorpion222

6 ай бұрын

@@ChallengerBanX Were you watching the same debate? The UN, and several other global institutions have said Hamas used human shields!!! 🤦‍♂️ INCLUDING HAMAS! They call it the CNN strategy look it up, the fact that you're ignorant to this shows you shouldn't be weighing in on something you're clueless of!!

@BrandonHeat243

6 ай бұрын

@@ChallengerBanX Bro. They literally captured hundreds of people just a few months ago to use as shields. What more confirmation do you need?

Calling Cenk a "Presidential candidate" gave me a pretty good laugh

@Nova2Yung

6 ай бұрын

Lmfaooooo

@MelissaM83

6 ай бұрын

Same

@flain283

6 ай бұрын

Cenk says he is though. Was the laugh because he won't win or because you didn't know?

@deadzoneternity

6 ай бұрын

​@@flain283Lord Buckethead is a more legitimate candidate in the UK than Cenk is in the US, is why it's a laugh.

@idkfa1000000

6 ай бұрын

i think this debate did make me have more respect for destiny. like him or not he could have easily taken some low blows to him about hasan and hes takes and make the whole convo about how he reports wrongly.

Go into the tunnels and clear them out? Its like cenk never heard of Vietnam. Thats a suicide mission.

@FroggyBunwich

5 ай бұрын

I genuinely believe that's what he wants. I used to think Cenk was just dumb, but in every debate about this he shows an underlying disdain for Jewish life. He wants the IDF crippled, and for Hamas to have a "fair" chance.

@tacticalcircumvention2889

5 ай бұрын

​@@FroggyBunwich "Where else are they supposed to fire rockets!?"

@derpestarzt

2 ай бұрын

ok so genociding innocent ppl is ok but it's to dangerous for the military to try and hit military targets 🤦‍♀. You wil change ur tune so fast if u were a civillian in Gaza....

@em0rabbit798

2 ай бұрын

@@derpestarzt no probably not. Going into tunnels is suicide why risk the lives when bombs work fine. It was dumb when America did it in Vietnam and it's even more dumb now.

@loopz_attack1658

2 ай бұрын

@@em0rabbit798also, the terror tunnels are said to be 300 miles, which is 10 times more expansive than the ones in Vietnam. Not only is it a suicide mission, it is hopeless.

“Ok so clearly Israel needs to end the occupation” (Cenk nods) “But at the same time I think the Palestinians should-“ (Cenk shakes his head and sighs)

@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci

4 ай бұрын

Cenk is like a parent of an out-of-control child who resists any attempts at disciplining him and thinks everyone who objects to his disgusting behaviour is hateful and unreasonable and thinks there's nothing wrong with anything the kid does, even though it's clear the kid's violent antisocial behaviour has made every other kid hate him, gotten him kicked out of every school he's gone to, and will eventually land him in the penitentiary or worse.

Cenk somehow always manages to impress me with how stupid his arguments can be

@retrain35yo87

6 ай бұрын

He just nods his head no, but there isn't ONE single non-secular Muslim political party in the Middle East that isn't communist and/or Jihadi anarcho nationalist. From the Baath party to every single Muslim party in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and yes Israeli Arabs and ALL Palestinian parties. They are all nuts and want to destroy the world and they have zero ZERO credibility in statecraft. The idea to give these people a free hand at nationhood is about a stupid idea as one can conceive, and this numbnut Cenk is just the biggest liar on the face of the Earth.

@IsawUupThere

6 ай бұрын

Can you point out a specific one?

@findingmyway93

6 ай бұрын

WoW you red my thoughts

@rejinc

6 ай бұрын

@@IsawUupThereno he cannot because it is feelings he is presenting, Israel was wrong and backed by half the world

@retrain35yo87

6 ай бұрын

@@IsawUupThere easily. Cenk defends the rediculous notion that Israel should allow its citizens to be slaughtered by this jihadi organization, and basically does not think they should be allowed to defend themselves.

I have literally never in my 37 years seen someone strawman so much in such a short time.

@philanthropy244

6 ай бұрын

Cenk 101

@bloodywoods

6 ай бұрын

what does that mean

@bloodywoods

6 ай бұрын

they had a great conversation

@DanBorens

6 ай бұрын

@@bloodywoodsstrawmanning if I understand correctly means misrepresenting someone’s argument and then arguing against that

@Eriston289

6 ай бұрын

Incestual lust??? 🥵🥴

Cenk is so out of his league in this discussion

@OnkelBeeenji

Ай бұрын

comedy gold that statement

@Yara-Li

17 күн бұрын

That's because he's at a kindergarten level intellectually and emotionally. No offense to the toddlers. They have an excuse, he doesn't.

As a South African...stop using the word apartheid.... you have no idea what that means.... sharia law is an apartheid system,but no muslim wants to talk about that....

@MrPapernumberDGG

6 ай бұрын

Hard whataboutism

@MangaBear

4 ай бұрын

​@@MrPapernumberDGGliterally look at Pakistan, UK , British, India ,somalia, Nigeria and other wherever Muslim extremist goes literally the middle east wasn't originally a Islamic land until Islam took over ( genocide of Armenian , Kurds, destroying historical items due claim (false prophet beliefs ), honor killings ( most appears in poor Islamic area's Palestine and Yemen. Especially religious disputes

You did good in your first presidential debate, destiny.

@caseypdx503

6 ай бұрын

I'm very proud of this brave woman 😀

@crzyprplmnky

6 ай бұрын

Finally a polandrist woman president!!! We can do it​@@caseypdx503

@moha-hafiz

6 ай бұрын

does he think if he speaks fast he sound clever, or is he on cocaine?

@lizardman1303

6 ай бұрын

Trump jr for Vice President and hasan to run the fed

@caseypdx503

6 ай бұрын

@@lizardman1303 In what universe is that ever possible? lol

It's quite impressive how Destiny can just fire off a dozen historical facts with near perfect accuracy in quick succession (names of people, cities, regions, years of events etc). All the months of research from wiki, articles, books and videos really paid off.

@danthem2278

6 ай бұрын

Yes. For sure. Destiny would totally crush Cenk if this was a historical argument. Cenk just knows the basic narrative, but NONE of the underlying facts.

@SisckoImper

6 ай бұрын

BUT he didn't know where Israel was in the map!!! /s

@kbityy

6 ай бұрын

Its all jewish propaganda

@kts_4L

6 ай бұрын

Its from wikipedia so it doesn't count. Tiktok is where real historians and political commentators gather their info from.

@ILoveBluePeople

6 ай бұрын

​@@kts_4LI cannot tell if you're joking

"that's absurd because I disagree with something else you didn't say"

What's absurd is that cenk in the same breath can say that the other Arabs are not involved and have nothing to do with this while simultaneously saying that the Palestinians trying to overthrow the Jordanian King is because the Israelis are occupying the Palestinians and then as well as ignore the fact that they tried to overthrow the government in Egypt as well😂😂😂

@Yara-Li

17 күн бұрын

And caused the Civil War in Lebanon in 1975, and betrayed Kweit by supporting Sadam Hussain during the Gulf War in 1990. It's not a coincidence that no country wants to take them in, they are considered highly detrimental to every country they enter. Seriously I don't blame any of these countries, I think the International community is harming them by keeping the dream alive, they have no reason to negotiate a solution that requires them to relinquish the no Jewish state at any borders of the territory and acknowledge the Jewish connection to the land. I am not optimistic since those issues are at the heart of the Palestinian Identity, they have no substance aside from that.

@my_master512

17 күн бұрын

@@Yara-Li well true they're trying to chase a dream it's a dream that was actually created by the British mandate for Palestine that region under the Ottoman empire didn't even have what would be known as an ambassador they had zero representation they were literally leasing the land from the Ottoman empire and the representatives of the zionists program started legally purchasing the land from the Ottoman empire before world war I by the time Britain had initiated the Palestine mandate the representatives of the zionists program had already purchased legally up to 6% of the land 0 I understand that doesn't sound like much but keep in mind less than 30% of the land was actually occupied 🤔

This moderator was actually really good and pushed questions to both of them. 10 out of 10 moderator imo.

@Cokey96

6 ай бұрын

He did good. I do wonder what de conversation would look like if he would force both, mainly Cenk, to go point by point without pivoting.

@therainman7777

6 ай бұрын

Yeah he did a great job in a difficult role.

@Gronmin

6 ай бұрын

He let Cenk go on to long near the beginning based on the number of questions and time (specifically Cenk because his points were less focused on the first question although still valid). But other than that agreed

@Jedscorp

6 ай бұрын

No

@Prometheus4096

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, the mod stepped in and saved Destiny from himself like 2 times.

After this display, I can confidently say Destiny has my vote. We need a woman in the White House.

@XanderMarshall

6 ай бұрын

Haha, yes. The first Cuck in Chief.😅 He'll be the first 'swing' president. He goes both ways of the aisle.😂

@abhimanyukarnawat7441

6 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@gliver2549

6 ай бұрын

black woman as president, you go girl!!!😂

@Afief

6 ай бұрын

Destiny could be playing Factorio in the white house and do a better job than this "presidential candidate" he had a "discussion" with. First woman president!

@NadeemHussain-rt3fd

6 ай бұрын

53:40 Send in your Gay Special Forces instead of Hiding behind Walls and pressing buttons!!!! SMH

Im watching this around 30 mins in. So far, destiny wants to use facts and cenk clearly just wants to use emotions. Destiny seems like someone who has prepared for a debate...cenk seems like someone arguing off of the top of his head that you'd meet in a bar.

Cenk "All ancestral land .. I don’t care about your voodoo." Cenk this is History. Jews ran the area and were kicked out by the Romans. Do you dispute that? There has never been Palestinians running that area and there were never a people called Palestinian Arabs until the 1960s. This is historical fact, not voodoo.

@netaji-thebritishslayer

5 ай бұрын

The Jews arrived therw from eastern europe lol😂

@philharmonic2251

5 ай бұрын

The majority actually migrated from the surrounding arab states, but never mind, you tried.​@netaji-thebritishslayer

@simontrober7487

5 ай бұрын

​@netaji-thebritishslayer Where were they before Eastern Europe? Are you saying there is a limitation on historical links to indigenous rights? If so, what is that limitation? Is that limitation to indigenous rights only subjected to Jews or does that als9o apply to Arabs?

@pragmatic-no-nonsense9363

5 ай бұрын

Were the Jews first to the land? No. Did they have the longest tenure? No.

@pragmatic-no-nonsense9363

5 ай бұрын

@@simontrober7487so native Americans have the right to expel Americans?

Can I say: props to the moderator. I think moderators are at their best not when they're passive or act as a regulatory force to censor the speakers, but when they actually help the conversation along by holding both debators accountable to the points made before, and challenging them. I think this guy from AE did it very well.

@frankforke

6 ай бұрын

Agreed! He's doing an awsome job!

@megavide0

5 ай бұрын

Really? You mean Eli? I'm not sure what to make of his role as a moderator... He seems so lost sometimes.

@radscorpion8

2 ай бұрын

agreed he did an amazing job, even if debates like this can be staged in a more productive way

@spencerwattamaniuk950

Ай бұрын

The goal of the moderator is to never insert themselves, this guy is doing that which derails the debate.

Cenk is forgetting that Japan needed to succumb to an unconditional surrender before peace talks could happen.

@MultiAppleworm

6 ай бұрын

That's a really good point

@chandamubanga

6 ай бұрын

facts

@lyft4238

6 ай бұрын

Yoo I didn't even realize that

1:38:17 - yes, that type of military operation (sending soldiers into enemy tunnels) was widely performed in the Vietnam war. It was a bad idea.

The thing is... it's hard to take a guy like Cenk seriously when he hand waves the atrocities of Hamas, but demonstrates a willingness to blame Israel 100%. If you can't give a full-throated condemnation of Hamas, then I don't care what you have to say about the circumstances.

@666Kaca

5 ай бұрын

Destiny lost the debate as soon as he admitted that israel is occupying palestine though

@medwassim8826

5 ай бұрын

​​@@666Kacawell yes, they do, forget about GAZA, what about the west bank, what do you think will happen if ISREAL keep building the settlements, kicking out Palestinians from their homes, control the money, and guess what they also killing Palestinians each year in the west bank, it is just matter of time than the Palestinians there will say enough and start fighting back, and what do you think will Isreal say when that happen?? West Bank is a terrorist state, we are defending our self, they are killing us!!! West Bank will be the second GAZA according to ISREAL if you want to put it that way

@HVACGUY420

5 ай бұрын

“hAmAs aTe mY sAnDwItCh”.

@OnkelBeeenji

4 ай бұрын

​@@666Kacano he didnt. Just saying he did doesnt make it factual. Disregarding all the other talking points. Not hard to see where you stand on the issue.

I don't know why people have this perception that "special forces" are superheroes. Sending special forces into that zone to rescue the hostages with no other supporting elements(ground forces, armor, air support) would be a complete suicide mission.

@MichelleKavarnos

5 ай бұрын

The same one that thinks that thinks he can be president of the United States 😂

@larsbee

5 ай бұрын

true besides the point those special forces are enforcing the Hannibal doctrine that states leave no hostages alive! civilian or military!

@giannistsitos6301

5 ай бұрын

They arent superheroes i agree but cutting off water and food from gaza isnt a way to deter terrorism you actually make civilians more supportive of terrorism. There were reports of hospitals not having enough medicine and water to operate on people. Is that collateral damage? Is there any justification for cutting off water and food to gaza with almost half the population being underage? Also the israeli gov told palestinian civilians to move south and many of them did ,yet they bombed the south as well. When you hear israeli military officials say that they are no innocent people in gaza isnt it sane to assume that they dont care about the civilian population and probably are bombing indiscriminately ?

@thisisone9529

3 ай бұрын

He doesn't really care, so long as innocent people aren't killed. His calclus appears to be that the winner of a war is the side who killed the least amount of innocent people. That's a factor, when it can be, but if that were the goal, bad actors would use that sentiment against their enemy, and that is exactly what Hamas does. One wonders, did Cenk succumb to Hamas propaganda or does he agree with their strategy?

@B_Web122

2 ай бұрын

And spec ops have a ton of info going into a mission. Which they wouldn't have going into underground tunnels that sprawl under the entire city

Honestly I think this was one of the best debate performances I have seen from Destiny. Made clear, concise points, and very effectively countered Cenk over and over again on every single issue. This was a steam roll, and Destiny's research and reading clearly showed.

@AsifIcarebear3

6 ай бұрын

I think the moderator was great and served as a sort of baseline - asking the questions any reasonable person might ask, though I haven't watched every minute or analyzed it in detail. Just felt like a nice, neutrally moderated debate that kept things on track and - in my very biased opinion - let Tiny Dest shine.

@scarletsletter4466

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. If this is what Vyvanse does for him, it seems to be helping 💯

@KnucklSandwich

6 ай бұрын

Meanwhile - your cowardly Z!onists have killed 10,000 children. Shame on you.

@EL-oj6uq

6 ай бұрын

Idk about research as an Israeli I was surprised when destiny managed to defend himself on points he didn't know much off purely off of logical fallacies in the pro palestinian arguments

@KnucklSandwich

6 ай бұрын

@@EL-oj6uq Surprised? Like the fact that Z!onists are committing genocide? Or the fact that Z!onists have killed 10,000 children. Shame on the Z!onists.

Cenk creates more strawmans than a corn field farmer😂

Cenk is willfully ignorant..he knows what destiny is saying then argues something different

"You can put my side in a funny voice, I'm not using a funny voice. I'm giving you evidence" hit so hard.

@billybutcher9147

6 ай бұрын

Yh evidence 😆😆😆

@TheSpiritof76

6 ай бұрын

@@billybutcher9147 Mad Muslim 🤭

@billybutcher9147

6 ай бұрын

@@TheSpiritof76 gay atheist

@harrytowers1076

6 ай бұрын

I can see the sigma edits already

@hannesboos1549

6 ай бұрын

@@harrytowers1076 I hope there will be some!

1:24:42 the point Cenk is if the IDF were ‘indiscriminately dropping bombs on civilians’ don’t you think more people would have died if they’ve dropped 24k bombs?

why is Cenk even given a platform. the dude is inarticulate.

Shout out to the moderator. He stayed cool and collected, and asked good clarifying questions to keep things focused, when at times Destiny and Cenk weren't doing a great job at clarifying eachother's positions

@danthem2278

6 ай бұрын

Yes. Eli Hassell did a great job! Amazing work especially for someone this young!

@II-wk8kv

6 ай бұрын

@@danthem2278 oh damn i didnt even realise. I just looked it up now, is he a teenager or something?

@danthem2278

6 ай бұрын

@@II-wk8kv Idk, but he looks early 20s...

@II-wk8kv

6 ай бұрын

@@danthem2278 I saw a 2022 article talking about an anti bullying campaigner 'eli hassell' in machester (so almost defo the same guy), saying he was 15 when he formed the organisation 'during lockdown' so the guys probably late teens/20/21ish. Mad props.

@PsychoFanta

6 ай бұрын

​@@danthem2278the absolute state of the debate sphere

Somebody call Brianna Wu. She's crying rn. Cenk is gonna be forever haunted by the human shield meme.

@areliablesource7733

6 ай бұрын

Even Brianna knows chucks Israel takes are unhinged. Pretty sure she told him not to do this lol

Cenk exaggerates everything beyond the point of what reality is, i dont get how anyone can listen to him

Im as conservative as they come, i discovered Destiny through conservative channels, and I have developed a huge respect for you my man. What a sharp mind! Rock on brother, subscribed

@bigboy2217

2 ай бұрын

We’ll save you one day.

@supaproximalsix2155

29 күн бұрын

@@bigboy2217probably not cause of how condescending you are

@bigboy2217

29 күн бұрын

@@supaproximalsix2155 You seem pretty sensitive to the lightest possible ribbing that isn’t even directed at you. If you’re gonna be that soft we don’t want you anyway.

"How naive do you want your take on Israel/Palestine to be Cenk?" "Yes."

@derpestarzt

2 ай бұрын

"How zionist propaganda do u want your take to be Destiny?" "yes"

I like how Destiny can actually name international law and UN resolution numbers and actuals dates of when certain important events occurred and all Cenk can do is give an example of a house... Shows the difference between how well researched Destiny is on this topic.

@maxx_thedragondominator

6 ай бұрын

Anyone can with wikipedia

@TheCatvolador

6 ай бұрын

@@maxx_thedragondominator Apparently Cenk cant. There is a saying in sciences that goes along the lines: "Even a monkey could get a PHD if you teached it some lab procedures". Anyone can get the information, almost noone will, kind of the whole point of the comment, Destiny is going farther than most other political commentators, even in traditional media.

@user-ot8ex7eo2p

6 ай бұрын

Anyone can do that while sitting in front of a computer. Destiny couldn't debate anyone about anything without sitting in front of a computer.

@arighteousname5882

6 ай бұрын

​@@user-ot8ex7eo2phim using a computer isn't a slight or make hus arguments any less valid

@SouthPilot

6 ай бұрын

@@user-ot8ex7eo2p Apparently Cenk can’t

Cenk- I don't support anything Hamas does Also Cenk- What was Hamas supposed to do? Not fight back against their oppressors?

Cenk's refusal to assign ANY blame to the Palestinians is what lost him this debate in my opinion.

I like how Destiny cited historical events with dates & people and Cenk just barely seems to know that each event happened.

@rafflehsinski6929

6 ай бұрын

Fat sweat was arguing with emotions.

@Girtharmstrong69

6 ай бұрын

I mean cenk named his his show after a Turkish fascist party that committed genocide against Armenians so his whole existence is dumb

@oakraidergrl4lif

6 ай бұрын

@@rafflehsinski6929 😂

@joshlyons1005

6 ай бұрын

100%

@Albert-Arthur-Wison225

6 ай бұрын

It’s highly likely that he’s both barely familiar with titans on the writings revolving around the Israelis and the Arbs,..chiefly, the late Robert Fisk, or Benny Morris,..let alone having read them. 😮It’s somewhat more likely that he’s read bits & pieces of Finkelstein or Chomsky. But,far likelier that he’s simply watched, listened to, or possibly spoken directly with them. Possibly Ilan Pappe or Shlomo Sand, but even that’s quite a bit too much to envisage. Since closing his law text books, he strikes me as being the type who’s read next to nothing since. A middle-aged toddler with the gaming, film, and SMS habits of people less than half his age.

Destiny you handled Cenk better than anyone I’ve seen. Called him out on “using a funny voice” to cover up his falsehoods and bad faith arguments.

@Nathantodd2012

6 ай бұрын

Until Douglas Murray whipped Cenk on Piers Morgan.

@Yausbro

6 ай бұрын

@@Nathantodd2012 dream on buddy

@pedroflovera

6 ай бұрын

Bad faith?, his poin is completely True.

@joshuawoodin

6 ай бұрын

I think you are giving too much credit to cenk. I never heard him say anything good on his show young turks, and any of the debates he has done he was extremly bad and a good example of a propagandist, the worst I have seen cenk do is on pierce Morgan against Douglas Murray.

@DontKillFriends

6 ай бұрын

@@Nathantodd2012 but, he didn't...Murray used exclusively conjecture and ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments..

Finally a great debate without making it personal! This was great to listen to. Thank you! 🇮🇱 ♥ Am Yisrael Chai 🇮🇱 ❤️

LMAO Cenk is terrible at debating. He keeps taking Destiny's points and in plain bad faith is twisting it to sound like a childish complaint. Also the constant "Lawl c'mon seriously?" is so grating.

Cenk gets rolled this debate. Destiny brings all the historical facts and all Cenk has is emotional pleas

@nathanjora7627

6 ай бұрын

Don’t forget red herrings, strawmen and « seriously ?!! »

@donsq4306

5 ай бұрын

Biased destiny fans From what I have seen his points are based on reality he is not here to win debates when 25.700 people died its complete nonsense to even defend such a point. If you do then it's fair play for Hamas you can slice it and dice it how you want either both Israël globalist and Hamas are evil or neither.

@bernooski5128

5 ай бұрын

@@donsq4306 There's nothing to defend. The number you said "25,700 people died" is literally just a number made up by a genocidal terrorist group. There's no reason to believe it. Also, unlike Hamas, Israel goes out of it's way to defend innocent life while Hamas targets innocent life. There's a difference as long as you don't hate Jews

@nathanjora7627

5 ай бұрын

@@donsq4306 Cope and seethe as much as you want, there’s an obvious moral difference between civilian casualties caused by the fact that your target is hiding amongst civilians, and civilian casualties caused by the fact that you’re targeting civilians. Hamas is the aggressor, hamas’s actions in October have large support in Gaza and in the West Bank, hamas is the one choosing to fling tens of thousands of rockets over to Israel each years, so as sad as those Palestinian lives being lost is, the blame rests squarely on Hamas, not Israel, not when unlike Hamas they actually try and get civilians to get away from hamas’s positions before attacking them.

@donsq4306

5 ай бұрын

@@nathanjora7627 I have no horse in this race its Just reality. If Hamas is the agressor you might want to read some zionist history books. Read about some massacres like : Deir yasin massacre Tantura massacre Qibya massacre 1953 Kafr Qasim massacre 19567 Bahr el-Baker massacre 1970 Sabre and Shatila massacre Khalil massacre 1994 Jenin massacre 2002 To name a few come back if you actually have knowledge about the topic crying about Hamas.

This was a wild debate. Cenk all but openly justified Hamas using human shields.

@jacobtaylor7506

6 ай бұрын

He was just saying insane shit. One side killed more then the other. So it's okay they are doing this. Like, who thinks like this. One side is supposedly in a prison with little water amd food, but always have money for rockets and weapons. Their leader is chilling in another country living the high life.

@Nizaar1

6 ай бұрын

Hiding among civilians is standard guerilla war tactics. Do you expect them to just show themselves in the open?

@kevinwalter2674

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's standard tactics for people using human shields. You operate out of civilian areas in an attempt to prevent the opposition from attacking you for fear of hitting civilians. Anyone who doesn't understand that Hamas is using civilian deaths because it does more harm to Israel than them is a moron.

@manishkr1092

6 ай бұрын

​​@@Nizaar1there is a difference between hiding among the civilians and actively blocking civilians from leaving the city where hamas is hiding.

@BLM_main

6 ай бұрын

Hasan called the innocent Israeli babies that were murdered by Hamas terrorists baby settlers. Now Cenk justifying Hamas terrorists using human shields. And both work in the commentary and analysis space... wow.

It's like Douglas Murray all over again.

Cenk is really just blind or deaf when it comes to hearing facts and truths. "No, those 19,000 civilians are not dead" - that is not what Destiny said at all. I'm sorry...how can anyone listen or have any kind of respect to anyone who does this kind of crap over and over and over. No matter who he debates, he choses not to listen to any sound argument, truth or facts.

This was easily Destiny's best debate. This is also, imo, the best online debate I have ever seen. Destiny & Cenk were both respectful and not interrupting every 5 seconds, great moderator, and actual thought provoking/ meaningful dialogue. 10/10 debate.

@Karlswebb

6 ай бұрын

It was very bad for him. He lied repeatedly about objective facts and got called out. He’s being torn apart for this.

@outdun

6 ай бұрын

​@Karlswebb So you can comment that he's lying but can't actually point out the lies? You realize that just makes you look like the one lying right?

@ungabungacaveman9021

6 ай бұрын

@@Karlswebbcan you provide a source where he’s being torn apart or can you demonstrate something he lied about?

@Dogan_TM

6 ай бұрын

​@@Karlswebbayo can you just take multiple hours to cite and source everything in a KZread comment rq?

@tankie9997

6 ай бұрын

@@Karlswebb Agreed. Cenk lied constantly

Destiny: "War is bad." Cenk: "I agree with Destiny that Israel is bad."

@Stray16

6 ай бұрын

Israel calls for war all the time. Wtf lol

@slang1517

6 ай бұрын

@@Stray16 You think Palestinians don't?

@morenitomoreno1282

6 ай бұрын

More like Cenk: the root cause of the conflict is Israel’s oppression of Palestinians. Destiny: yeah but if they want the oppression to stop, Palestinians have to stop fighting the oppressor back first. Also, Destiny parroted some of the most dishonest Zionists talking points. The most obnoxious one is the idea that Israel gave Palestinians an amazing deal years ago and they rejected it because they just want to kill all the Jews instead. All the deals they offered Palestinians denied them of a national army. What sovereign nation would accept this? *139 countries* recognize Palestine as a sovereign state and every couple of years, the UN votes for Palestinian statehood (you know, how they did for Israel statehood) and the result is always 160 something votes in favor of it and a few nos by Isreal, the U.S. (of course) and a few small countries like Micronesia or Papua. New Guinea. The overwhelming majority of international community is for the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. The 2 countries preventing it are Israel and the U.S. that’s all you need to know.

@tiagojordao4105

6 ай бұрын

The point is that this conflict is being passed by Israel and most of international media as being a "war" when it's basically Israel relentlessly bombing Gaza after one comparatively minor attack from Hamas. There's not a war going on in the real sense of the word because Hamas doesn't have the ability to wage war (hardly a guerrilla war, even), but it looks morally positive for Israel to call it a war.

@slang1517

6 ай бұрын

@@tiagojordao4105 Iron dome has been shooting down Hamas missiles for years. You're infantilizing Hamas so much you won't even acknowledge they're at war. Israel aren't the only ones bombing, and from what I can tell they only target Hamas.

This has opened my eyes a lot , thank you gentlemen

Listen to destiny folks. He speaks historical truth.

Unfortunately the debate ended here, but one thing I wanted to mention about the last point Cenk brought up: Deradicalization of Germany was so effective because the regime was completely extirpated. There was no capability for Nazis to claim that their ideology was superior because their regime had been so utterly destroyed. This was the point of the unconditional surrender war aim. The same thing probably needs to happen to Hamas to lose their credibility.

@yusufmuslim4420

6 ай бұрын

Comparing Germany with Palestine is a massive fallacy. Palestine is occupied Germany was not. Palestine would be more similar (not exactly) to a Warsaw uprising against Nazi rule. Until you remove occupation there will always be radicalization. To remove occupation you need to remove illegal settler colonization the basic premise of the racist ideology that Israel is based on.

@Porktoe

6 ай бұрын

Don't forget to add that Japan surrendered literally after being bombed by nukes and having the Soviets declare war on them right after. They surrendered in full compliance with the postdam declaration

@Lawlstube

6 ай бұрын

​@@Porktoe Technically Japan had already surrendered. They were just in negotiations. They wanted to keep their military so in response we bombed them. Almost every general wanted a surrender, they couldn't convince their leader in Time and another bomb was dropped.

@jonashartung6065

6 ай бұрын

Definitely a combination of radical denazification, very hard working population, tough ass women „Trümmerfrauen“ that played a vital part in REBUILDING the country from figurative and literal ruins, help from the outside, some former Nazis being implemented in running the system post Nazi era and probably most importantly the willingness of the population to recognize its mistakes and horrors it was a part of and to change. I don’t think the Palestinean population is set to make similar changes, unfortunately. It takes a lot, but it can be achieved.

@billybutcher9147

6 ай бұрын

Tell me how did the nazi escape to when their run is over ? They have been used by th us

Destiny's level of patience is impressive

@crazytrain7721

6 ай бұрын

Anything is easy once you let people do the wife i guess

@derpestarzt

2 ай бұрын

u gotta be a zionist bot bc there's no way

does destiny have a secondary microphone on his keyboard

Abbas actually turned down the 99% Olmert offered. 😢

Cenk has plenty of reasonable and accurate criticisms of Israel that anyone attempting to be objective or at least open minded on the matter would agree with, but that intro bit where Cenk's nodding along whilst Destiny criticised Israel and then immediately shake his head and disagree as soon as Hamas and Palestine were criticised just shows an inability to see anything wrong with his side. Cenk isn't a bad guy, but he's so bought in that he's got blinders.

@lawsonharrison6927

6 ай бұрын

I saw that. Didn't expect much from Cenk.

@AspiringSpaceWizard

6 ай бұрын

He is an asshole lol maybe he has some good ideas on certain things but as soon as things dont go his way hes an asshole

@therainman7777

6 ай бұрын

He is absolutely a bad guy. There are countless examples over the past 15 years or so of him behaving incredibly unethically, arguing in bad faith, slandering people, misreporting stories in an attempt to cling to his dwindling view counts, and on and on. Your observation of him shaking his head the second Palestine was mentioned was astute and highly accurate. But please, don’t be fooled into thinking he’s “not a bad guy.” He really is. Maybe not the worst person out there. But ethically speaking, he is at least as bad, and as dishonest, as someone like Tucker Carlson.

@thomasprogli3372

6 ай бұрын

Being a good person does not prevent somebody von following a terrible ideology. Look at Schindler who was a Nazi but a good person. In the end the question is what are their actions. His actions are not in good faith.

@johnarbuckle2619

6 ай бұрын

​@@therainman7777Nah, Tucker is on another level.

As someone with no investment in either Palestinian or Israeli politics, from watching a lot of these debates it seems like many pro-Palestinian people suffer from some kind of moral hyperactivity. They have a conclusion reached from some pieces of evidence which gives them moral righteousness, but if you attempt to force them to slow-walk you through the evidence they get immensely frustrated and insist that you just agree with the conclusion.

@ducknwater3016

6 ай бұрын

The exact problem. Muslims have constantly lied about the conflict and dumb people in the western world believe them with no questions

@solidground338

6 ай бұрын

Brilliant

@Thenoobestgirl

6 ай бұрын

Accurate. Give me the evidence to support your claims or shut up because you're just spewing bullshit you've heard online. It's embarrassing.

@Bill-ou7zp

6 ай бұрын

Congrats, you just described like every leftist position ever lol

@tylersmith2119

6 ай бұрын

I thought I was the only one who's been seeing this

Is that research document posted somewhere now that the debate is over?

Thanks!

While Destiny shined, it was the moderator who really impressed me with way he guided the conversation was (at times) able to get concise answers to difficult questions.

@TheJayde

6 ай бұрын

I really agree with this. He tried to hold the feet to the fire of both people on strong points. Didn't let these items get lost in the back and forth. If anything I would have liked him to be more aggressive but was a great moderator all things considered.

@Steve2016100

6 ай бұрын

I have to agree, he helped regulate the temperatures of both.

@Mark-xw5yt

6 ай бұрын

Literally every time I watch debates I always hear about how the moderator is trash. Been wanting to see what a good moderator actually looks like

@rohw0016

6 ай бұрын

Good moderator is key in any debate

@IDontLikePplPlayinOnMyPhone

6 ай бұрын

Yes I agree, but some of those focused questions he pressed them on were…“does the idf care about Palestinian lives?” I’m still recovering from that zinger

Sad how at 1:13:00 Destiny says both sides need to work to peace, yet Pro-Pal side can never accept any blame at all. I've noticed with with everyone

@VetroMatt

3 ай бұрын

Pro Palestinian and Palestinians in Gaza are 2 different groups (on some level), if Palestinians get an actual leader whocwants a 2 state, it can happen, peace can be accomplished.

I have the impression Cenk unironically didn't know a lot of the stuff Destiny was talking about. Destiny reference all of his talking points to actual history with dates and names, Cenk only did so a couple of times and some of those times he was straight up lying.

@socialjihad5724

6 ай бұрын

Cenk operates solely on narrative, not facts, and will straight up reimagine events and facts as to suit said narrative. While I think everyone to some extent is vulnerable to this effect, Cenk seems to be entirely ruled by it to a degree that I don't think I've seen in any other person

@pessimist583

6 ай бұрын

facts

One question @Destiny can you name a armed active conflict lasting this long with lower ratio military|civilian {1|2 if my sources don't DECIVED me}?

Destiny is like if you turned all of Reddit into one person

This shit was insane, destiny steam rolled cenk

@Bauernade

6 ай бұрын

Cenk fans are saying opposite lol Yall both biased 😂

@OldMarius-gn5kk

6 ай бұрын

@@Bauernade so true, I peeked the comments from this particular debate out of curiosity and the comments from both sides are just the same.

@oltimos8888

6 ай бұрын

@@Bauernade cenk was saying bs

@crw1367

6 ай бұрын

@@Bauernade lmao i aint gonna deny that

@EXTENDEDWARRANT

6 ай бұрын

Upon viewing the footage I noticed the guy i agree with was based and the guy I disagree with was cringe

"HAMAS is Not Using Human Shields" as Per Cenk.🤣🤣🤣

@giacomogiacomo1194

5 ай бұрын

@BarrettOp Yeah right as If UN or any of its agency can be trusted. What happened to UNRWA? 🤣

Well done - this was a great debate

I respect Cenk cause: 1. he's passionate even if he may be wrong 2. at least he's not scared to debate Destiny unlike his himbo nephew lolololol

@michealjaymurphy

6 ай бұрын

This is like the bare minimum He will lie about his rivals to trash there names

@garywebb2432

6 ай бұрын

@@redscar183 nice job misconstruing my comment lolololol

@AndroGone

6 ай бұрын

Lololol

@shadowthehedgehog181

6 ай бұрын

​@redscar183 KZread comments have this weird tend of saying basic shit like "iTs AmAzInG tO hAvE tHeSe TwO oPpOsInG pOsItIoNs." Sure that's true, but it's used as a braindead statement in political debates

@garywebb2432

6 ай бұрын

@@shadowthehedgehog181 you're literally misrepresenting what that statement means wtf

at this rate destiny will become the first female president

@alex1991ander

6 ай бұрын

What did i miss, why everybody referring to Destiny as female😅

@A_Swarm_of_Waspcrabs

6 ай бұрын

@@alex1991ander It started with Jesse Lee Peterson referring to Destiny's online alias as a "girl's name", at which point the DGG community just rolled with it. You'll see this joke a lot on anything involving him on KZread.

@arunsalwan8558

6 ай бұрын

That joke is so old now

@mikepatton-ol2pg

6 ай бұрын

Destiny is the worst type of idiot. He's an educated idiot!

This Destiny guy is an absolute genius. Never have I witnessed a mind as sharp as his. He just never misses any point, any illogical claim or incorrect statement. He knows more about this conflict and its history than all the experts combined. Cenk, on the other hand, is miserably unprepared, emotional and easily outbalanced. He just won't think logically. Whenever he realizes his claims are debunked he immediately goes to a defensive and dumb clown mode.

@user-dd8ws5uq7u

5 ай бұрын

You should check out the Destiny debate with Glenn and Darren. Destiny gets utterly schooled. Keeps pivoting off of horrible stances until he has nowhere left to go but back to arguing things that were already dismantled. Quite educational actually

as a right libertarian this is the first interesting debate on the topic I've actually heard. Piers Morgan did a good job bringing Fink to debate Dershowitz, but this is way more intelligent. Big ups to Cenk and Destiny

Cenk: The Palestinians aren't going to other countries and being violent. That's Islamophobia. Destiny: The Palestinians tried to overthrow the Jordanians and launched terrorist attacks in Europe. Cenk: When a people are subjugated, what do you expect them to do? They go to the most radical means. Mental gymnastics by Cenk

@house684

6 ай бұрын

Another liberal lefty morphing into a Nazi when it comes to the occupied Palestinians. Talk about mental gymnastics.

@twiedenfeld

6 ай бұрын

Do you know where Jordan is? Who did they attack in Europe? It's difficult to have conversations when one side is disingenuous.

@TheSentryRob

6 ай бұрын

@@twiedenfeld Yes, I know exactly where Jordan is, and they have had attacks in Germany and Britain. Who do you believe is being disingenuous?

@TheSentryRob

6 ай бұрын

​@@house684Who's the liberal lefty that is supposedly a Nazi?

@xLiquiT

6 ай бұрын

@@twiedenfeld try puttin forth an actual argument, not sure if implying whatever happens in your brain is a good strategy

Cenk is a propagandist, is far too emotional to comment on politcal matters, and is a few cards short of a full deck.

@aydneu

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, if destiny really wants to talk about the situation, he should bring Norman Finkelstein.

Cenk and his channel pose some of the most unintelligent things that I have ever seen. Not surprising to see that he literally knows nothing about anything and continues to use buzz words to stumble through points that he has done zero research on.

Question: How many Palestinians live in Jerusalem, and why don't they want to leave? How many Jews live in Gaza? None, they would be killed.

@striker7625

5 ай бұрын

Question : how many Jews live in West bank ??

@james-cq3mi

5 ай бұрын

@@striker7625 I don't know. All I know is, I have a close friend who is Palestinian and lives here in the US. She visits Jerusalem to see her family from time to time, and brought back gifts for me and my wife. I have never been there and I asked her if she felt safe in Jerusalem, and she said yes. She is the sweetest girl and we had a conversation about Jews, and to my surprise, she hates them with a passion. She is 25 years old. This traces back to Genesis 16, with Ishmael's descendants that become the Arabic people. Their cultures have been at odds with the Jewish people for millennia. It doesn't seem that it will change any time soon. It's quite interesting to read the Genesis 16 chapter. Its not very long and its obvious why there is conflict.

This is the greatest debate performance in the history of female debators

@OldMarius-gn5kk

6 ай бұрын

and poc

@jsk1429

6 ай бұрын

I’m sick and tired of this shit 😊

@spanty7137

6 ай бұрын

Debators? Cenk also a girls name?

@nastynapes

6 ай бұрын

Strippers these day offer more than you'd expect

@user-df1el4zi5b

6 ай бұрын

Why is everyone referring to destiny as a girl? I'm losing my shit- dude has a beard

There's no way this doesn't win Debate of The Year at the Destiny Awards. Especially so close to voting.

@YourService977

6 ай бұрын

Oscar bait debate, deserves the dub

@Balls_on_Chin

6 ай бұрын

nah, wait for the hasan debate 👀

@ajayrawat1022

6 ай бұрын

​@@YourService977Definitely oscar bait. The cinematography itself tells us that.

@djwestbrook36

6 ай бұрын

🙄🙄🙄lmao 😂, what ?

@cheminem

6 ай бұрын

@@YourService977where can i watch this? Have watched destiny for years but phased out and getting back into him again

Cenk gives college freshman arguments while Destiny is giving an adult knowledgeable take. And I don't agree with probably 90% of Destiny's opinions but at least they follow some logic.

Cenyk that is such a distortion of 48 and Oslo. There was no force the UN split the land btwn two indigenous peoples with the Palestinians initially offered 88 percent. And later 45. The Jews accepted it and the Arab world on behalf of the Palestinians rejected it and started the 48 war. THAT was the cause of the refugee issue. You seem like such a warm and caring person yet perpetuating the big lie is not helping anyone.

Destiny: quotes history and references historians. Cenk: repeats the same 2 points and makes an emotional appeal with a terribly simple analogy. It’s pretty obvious Cenk isn’t read up on this topic.

@SoDaoudi

6 ай бұрын

Just because you qoute wikipedia refferences doesnt make you right you fool hahahaha.

If you ever feel stupid, just remember Cenk, and instantly feel much better.

Regarding the human shields debate, how can you compare Hamas operating mainly in Gaza city to Israel having bases where Hamas could have attacked. Israel isn’t using the entire Israeli population as human shields as the IDF has dozens of bases you can look up. 😊

The debate should have been over the moment destiny agreed that israel is occupying palestinian territory

Whoa, Destiny just debated Cenk’s nephew’s uncle

@Nova2Yung

6 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@MelissaM83

6 ай бұрын

LMAO 😂

A big part of Cenk's basic position, aside from just that They're Being Occupied, was that Netanyahu Is Bad, he seemed pretty unable to comprehend how Destiny could also dislike, disapprove of Netanyahu and yet not be widely strongly against Israel and not consider Palestinian extremism to be at worst only as bad as him.

@cameronpatterson130

6 ай бұрын

Yeah only somebody who didn’t know anything or was a racist would say that. There is no way to comprehend the nature of Israel and not be against Israel unless you’re a racist, like destiny.

@Beebeepbooboop

6 ай бұрын

​@cameronpatterson130 Being racist is one thing, but basically being pro genocide is weird asf. Destiny is doing this shyt just for money and views. What a cornball. Wish his wife took all his wealth as well

@gianthills

6 ай бұрын

You don't like Hamas? Then end occupation. Simple.

@SquirtlePower809

6 ай бұрын

@cameronpatterson130 wow you are really showing your ass in all sorts of comments eh? Doing the typical ad hominem "you're a racist!" 6th grade tactic?! Lmaooooo call me a racist all day long if it makes you feel good, but you have got to know by now that that tactic just doesn't work anymore to silence people. It used to, but you wokies overused it and now it has no power. *Gandalf voice* YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE!

@SquirtlePower809

6 ай бұрын

@gianthills there is no occupation you simpleton lol. And if I'm being honest I wish Israel hadn't ended the occupation, cause look at what happens when they do? Gazans have proven time and time again that they are not trustworthy and cannot govern themselves without committing mass acts of terrorism and/or firing thousands of rockets into Israel EVERY month. Let's also not forget the numerous times Israel has offered peace and nationhood to the "Palestinians" but they reject it every time. Everything that happens to them is entirely their own fault. Period.

Don’t think I’ve ever been so impressed by Destiny. His power level seems to have no cap.

@derpestarzt

2 ай бұрын

it's called adderall

@MrPapernumberDGG

2 ай бұрын

@@derpestarzt you’re so original bro holy shit teach me how to be more like you

@derpestarzt

2 ай бұрын

@@MrPapernumberDGG impossible, u'd need a brain transplant and be heterosexual to be like me.

cenk litterally says "im not justifying terrorism" then litterally justifies terrorism. implying they shouldnt bow their heads and fight is saying they should commit terror attacks to get what tehy want in this context

@mb9768

6 ай бұрын

That is not what Cenk said. What he said was that the conditions in which the Palestinians live in in Gaza will naturally lead to radicalisation and violence.

@ASSASIN7-sd5sr

6 ай бұрын

they are resistance not terrorism

@ghostbirdlary

6 ай бұрын

oh, i didnt know resistances raped women and put babies in ovens. my bad@@ASSASIN7-sd5sr

@RealJackHQ

6 ай бұрын

@ghostbirdlary This is a similar situation to the Ukraine-Russia conflict. If Russia really had an issue with quote on quote NATO expansion, they would have had their helicopters surrounding the Capitol in Kiev to confront the politicians instead of mutilating civilians. If Palestinians were to solely focus on simply fighting back, they wouldn’t have murdered Israeli civilians. So, there is nuance that Cenk has to understand here.

@ffff7164

6 ай бұрын

​@@RealJackHQ If Russia cared about NATO expansion, they would make NATO obsolete by not invading their neighbors. If Palestine wants to negotiate with a left-wing Israeli government, they should stop helping far-right nutjobs get elected.

Number 1 rule when debating: shake your head, smile, and say the other person is wrong.

@JorgeRzezak

6 ай бұрын

Cenk does not know anything else to do and to say, is worthless

I've been listening to Cenk's thoughts and opinions on this topic. In all honesty, he is in no position to make any statements as somebody other than someone with skin in the game. He is not an impartial member of the press when he talks about this. He really shows his 'dislike for Jewish people and his unchangeable completely personal unfounded based in commonality with the Palestinians' opinion where he selectively ignores the facts of what has happened in Israel since its founding. I used to watch/listen to The Young Turks, and in all honesty I haven't watched a single episode since I heard Cenk's emotional and uneducated opinion of Jews that he's been yelling from his fairly large platform.. all I can think when I hear him speak is shame on you I didn't know you were a bigot.. he has been given a pass for way too long. He is not an objective observer, and is in no position to present a single word about the topic that he says as objective or news because every word that comes out of his mouth about Israel is disingenuous.. at best if I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.. Cenk ought to be ashamed of himself for his small-minded and bigoted opinion that he has towards Israel while asking everybody to not feel that way about people that HE approves of.. evidently unsolicited rape, murder, and torture of innocent people is a okay as long as it's Jewish people that are being tortured murdered kidnapped and gang raped TO DEATH.

Destiny thinks that Special Forces are only assassins and doesn’t know they they have Counter-Terrorism Units In Shayeret 13 😭. As a Veteran this “military tactics” conversation was painful as hell to listen to.

This debate is yet another example of how prepared research and education will always trump emotional and historically echoed rhetoric.

@serronserron1320

6 ай бұрын

popularity is and just repeating rhetoric reaches more people.

@exoticrpgs5050

6 ай бұрын

That’s the one thing I don’t understand about the pro-Palestine side. They resort to emotional rhetoric more than facts which leads to a lot of misinformation and lies.

@stenergut9661

6 ай бұрын

@@exoticrpgs5050 yeah, I am sure that you guys cared deeply and had really done your research on this subject. i bet that half of you cant point to Israel on a map, yet you are the arbiter of history.

@Yeshua_is_King1

6 ай бұрын

@@stenergut9661I’ve researched the conflict a lot and I don’t often agree with destiny. However he gernerally told the truth and Cenk is a typical rhetorical liar. He makes his living on following rhetorical emotional appeals

@stenergut9661

6 ай бұрын

@@Yeshua_is_King1 what did Cenk lie about?

I’ve never seen Cenk not name calling in debates. He also never backs up his statements with evidence

@979ballin

6 ай бұрын

Sooooo Israel didn’t come in and STEAL the land in 1948?

@aquari_2344

6 ай бұрын

what statement did he not back up

@JijonJang

6 ай бұрын

@@aquari_2344 Most of them, a lot of his agruement was just emotional base

@skuzzlebutt9745

6 ай бұрын

@@aquari_2344all of them

@seanwhalen25

6 ай бұрын

@@aquari_2344 for one specific example at 1:30:00-1:33:00. There’s other examples on several other occasions like how Tim Poole made him look stupid and he literally admitted that he didn’t care about the truth/facts and that his narrative was more important to him. He’s a terrible debater and liar for ideological reasons.

Is it me or does Destiny sound like an audiobook being played at 2x speed?

Not even 1/3 into this and I already came 😩

This is probably the strongest debate performance from Destiny I've seen. avoided the baiting and adhoms from cenk, he knew the subject material and had responses for each point cenk brought up.

@paaklapi

6 ай бұрын

This was unbelievably one sided. Destiny knew his stuff and presented his case incredibly well while Cenk resorted to straw manning Destiny and the pro-Israel position in general time and time again.

@jamescapernick2524

6 ай бұрын

vyvanse is unironically the litmitless pill

@takeshii

6 ай бұрын

@@jamescapernick2524 Yeah old(unmedicated) destiny wouldve probably lost patience with cenks straw manning and theatrics.

@kristianbasile7141

6 ай бұрын

Y'all are so brainwashed. I really hope Israel is paying Destiny cause he's doing great work for their propaganda. This is a moral quandary and from Israel's own myths they are in the wrong. David V Goliath, everyone knows David was in the right.

@daMillenialTrucker

6 ай бұрын

chunk yogurt didnt stand a chance

Oh my. I recently discovered your channel and I am very impressed with your reasoning Destiny. Great discussion on this one!

More people need to see this

Incredible. One thing I love about Destiny is he does extensive research. I remember a couple weeks he said he couldn't give a proper opinion on the topic because he was not as researched on it but here he is a few weeks later with the information at the tip of his tongue ready to support any claim he makes or challenge any one that Cenk makes. Beautiful debate.

@stavrosmayakofsky1915

6 ай бұрын

Reading wikis is not extensive research lol.

@keokihiga8462

6 ай бұрын

I feel like his research has slanted his view because since Israel has been a state until the turn of the millennium, Israel had the moral high ground. But the last 20 years, I don’t see how you can defend them.

@doobisnack

6 ай бұрын

as an Israeli who lives in Israel for the past 32 years i am truly impressed by his dedication to fact finding and how fast he learned 75 years of a very complicated topic and is able to debate in such a convincing matter that you could mistake him for an expert scholar

@Chris-il5im

6 ай бұрын

@@stavrosmayakofsky1915 If you spend 3-4 weeks doing wiki research (8 to 10 hours a day) and debate/gather info from some lefties content creators on the topic I guarantee you that you will be among the top 1% of people who can grasp the situation clearly.

@18andcloudy

6 ай бұрын

yeah reading wiki pages for a couple weeks because you grifted belligerent takes early on to soak up the viewers now you have to feign knowing enough so when you quintuple down on said edge lord opinions months later with zero accountability and despite considerable push back it seems legit to your sad rabble of mostly agency-less, parasocial nubs that follow you

The whole Cenk thing only really works if he’s debating himself.

@ph8077

6 ай бұрын

He often takes the opportunity to do that in his downstairs WC - at least he's the smartest person in the room on those occasions