Pro-Hamas Panelist Confronts Destiny And Instantly Backtracks►kzread.info/dash/bejne/hIN7s9l-qszahKQ.html Heated Confrontation w/ Destiny On His Israel Take►kzread.info/dash/bejne/k22k0qxwhbjQl8Y.html

@freedomandguns3231

8 ай бұрын

I haven't even made it past the intro and my only reaction is "Destiny chill! You dont need to slaughter him this badly!" Lol

@baskoning9896

8 ай бұрын

When you say 'mass removal of ARABs' you fail to understand one major factor: Israel is not against ARABS... they are against arabs who happen to be muslim: while islam is an organization that preaches death to the jews. Why on earth would they allow people inside their country, that want to kill them all. They dont 'mass remove people because of the color of their skin', they want to throw out everybody that is a member of an organization: that wants to kill all jews. And gays btw. To act as if jews suddenly got racist and decided to hate and throw out people because of their skin color is just nuts.

@baskoning9896

8 ай бұрын

'in islam jews and christians have the same standings' as what. AS WHAT. as dhimmis. What are dhimmies. SUBDUED people. That pay any taxes (called jizya) the muslims impose upon them, in exchange for not being... MURDERED. They are literally second rate citizens. You know: 'apartheid'? And now for the kicker, you know what position ANY other religion holds, like hindu, in islam? None. They have NO status at all: ZERO rights. ZERO. Yet, you act as if 'under islam, christians and jews have rights'. Dont make me laugh.

@Rick_Cleland

8 ай бұрын

*_Modern education, creating people smart enough to repeat what they're told and follow orders, and dumb enough to think that makes them smarter than everyone else._*

@Ehbrew

8 ай бұрын

A doctor of history viewing the past in order to fit a current Narrative… super hard to watch.

"No I don't think mobilizing your entire army on your enemys border is a sign of war." - phd student

@dicey8928

7 ай бұрын

That's the Same as NATO sitting on Russians boarders and Russians were to be Cool about them being there 🤯 Zionists brains👹

@MillieMe05

7 ай бұрын

He comes across as not super intelligent.

@Robert-hy3vv

7 ай бұрын

@@MillieMe05 agreed

@armondtanz

7 ай бұрын

wait wait wait wait + blah blah blah blah Never play the Destiny drinking game

@banner767

7 ай бұрын

He's never met Gandhi in Civ IV

"I don't know why you're in debate mode" -man who is 1 hour into a debate

@babsa90

8 ай бұрын

Bewildering for sure. If he didn't want to be in debate mode, he should have made it educational/academic by providing credible sources for these conflicts. You don't just get to lay out your entire political opinion regarding something like this and then balk at Destiny for pushing back.

@badmuddafadda

8 ай бұрын

But, but, Steven didn’t just lie back and soak up what Matt was laying down. It didn’t go the way Matt dreamed it would. That’s when Matt “had” to start using his verbal diarrhea tactic.@@babsa90

@lothar8077

Ай бұрын

"We are hopping around to so many points in history and I don't know what the point is." -man who invited a historian to discuss history.

Summary of this debate. "Boy you are really into this Israeli narrative." "Hold on did I just say something factually incorrect?" "Well, no."

as an israeli i've been going crazy about the selective history from americans that leave out so much context. It's nice to hear someone actually researching the full context about Israel

@sivannatalie

8 ай бұрын

You’re not alone. I’m not Israeli, but my mom is, and I spent a lot of time there growing up. So many people with zero connection to the region and almost no information seem to have the strongest opinions. I appreciate Destiny taking the time to flesh it all out.

@che8866

8 ай бұрын

The context of mainly Europeans and Americans migrating to the Middle East, also known as colonialism. The problem with Israel is that it is an imperialist state and has been especially since 1967. The Zionist movement was started by powerful Jews in Europe who directly profited from imperialism. You see in order to justify Israel, in its current state, you’d have to justify colonialism as a whole, which cannot be done. Stating they were simply refugees is misleading given the goal was to take a land which already had inhabitants and make it a “Jewish state”. It’s very prominent Israelis such as Yeshayahu Leibowitz who warned everyone of the repercussions of Israel’s new policy after 1967. You see Israel is truly one of a kind for adopting the nation state law in 2018. No other country has such legislation. Israel has been somehow justifying the unjustifiable since its creation. It sits in the heart of enemies which they created. Similar to Rhodesia or South Africa, yet nobody questioned why everyone hated them. My brother I support you as a person and I am saddened by ANY killing especially of civilians. There is a reason why most of the world is against Israel, whereas Israel has only major support from former colonial countries and America.

@che8866

8 ай бұрын

The continuation of Israel’s current policy will do nothing but prolong this struggle.

@anthonyfaiell3263

8 ай бұрын

We have been arguing over basic biology and what makes a female a female for about 10 years now. No amount of stupidity in America will surprise me at this point. . We live in a country of key words and euphamisms. Very few people are actually willing to put research into things before discussing them.

@kingfillins4117

8 ай бұрын

The majority of Israeli citizens are Jews from surrounding Arab states that were forcefully evicted or left for Israel. Most living in the levant colonised the area in one way or another.

Accusing someone of being in debate mode is the equivalent of losing a round in a video game and calling the other team tryhards.

@Raspberrystoopid

8 ай бұрын

you stole this comment

@KattaBingo

8 ай бұрын

Okay tbf the only reason I lost the round was because they were a tryhard

@supersniffer9632

8 ай бұрын

@Raspberrystoopid kind of. More so inspired. But if I recall accurately, their comment was referring to this dude calling destiny emotional. Mine was regarding the term debate mode not only cause I see this tactic very often on this channel but I also thought it fit better as an analogy.

@bloom4807

8 ай бұрын

I mean it shouldn’t be that serious, but maybe because it’s hard to take his house as a serious debate ensemble.

@supersniffer9632

8 ай бұрын

​@@bloom4807could you clarify?

I can't wait for the day this guy defends his thesis, a professor starts grilling him, and he says "I can't believe you're so emotional about this" 😂

@Sijilos

8 ай бұрын

100%

@jasondavis7913

8 ай бұрын

His phd advisor probably agrees

@garethevans3600

8 ай бұрын

Sadly he'll probably get a pass the way Universities are going.

@dickcocker2137

8 ай бұрын

Actually the whole discussion has that Adult vs Kid argue vibe. The PHD dude present his points in calm and organized way, clearly having bigger picture perspective because he talking from head, from what he learned over time. On the other hand Destiny constantly has to google things to even know what they're talking about at this moment, often refuse to aknowledge whole arguments because he has no knowledge about so for him argument is invalid (?), rolling eyes when PHD dude speaks, sometimes even smashing keyboard keys loud enough to show his disapproval. It's honestly hard to watch Destiny's behavior during this debate as an adult. On the other hand I can understand why younger audience prefer Destiny performance over listening to what PHD dude has to say and it has nothing to do with if PHD dude is right or wrong, it has more to do with fact that Destiny's behavior are more entertaining and PHD dude tries share huge amount of knowledge so for most it's probably boring. Anyway I'm glad I watched and heard whole thing, only feel kinda weird that PHD guest clearly shared fair amount of facts and connections between events that Destiny didn't even know exists, yet somehow audience in comments and in live chat in the video portraits PHD dude as the stupid one. I assume appreciation for people knowledge comes with age.

@garethevans3600

8 ай бұрын

At 53 with a degree I beg to differ. I have known many PHDs and he was not very impressive@@dickcocker2137

Destiny : Presents actual arguments, examples, and historical facts PHD Student : Ascribes motive and classifies it as an argument.

@samehabuerreish8785

7 ай бұрын

Not really . Destiny is a pro Biden devout Zionist . His understanding of the 1948 is absolute garbage . The ethnic cleansing started in Palestine started before 1948 The far inferior so called Arab armies showed up to prevent the Zionist army from completely ethnically cleansing the modern day Israel . They managed to keep the West Bank and Gaza . What Arabs did to Jews in their countries is irrelevant to the Palestinian people . The latter would be fine with Jews in Palestine . But not the Zionist British colonialist settlement movement that was over seen by the British government. The guy arguing with Destiny is equally illiterate on the subject . Read Ilan Pape , Norman Finkelstein , Shlomo Sand , amongst many Jewish scholars …. The Ethnic cleansing caused the 1948 war and not the way around Palestinians had every right to reject the partition ! Who will split their land with invaders ??!!! No matter what their religion is . Even if the accepted it , it would have not changed anything . They would have invaded it and annexed it . Just like did on 1967!!!

@weaq84

7 ай бұрын

It's so funny to me how people who are biased think they are well-placed to analyse the bias of people speaking. The PhD guy presented loads of facts and arguments. They disagreed; they both had flaws in their argumentation style. Destiny is clearly unwilling to consider anything that might change his mind, and lost his temper too much; the PhD guy did have a terrible habit of ramrodding his points over Destiny instead of letting him respond properly. But to suggest that it was as clear cut as you have is just your bias towards Destiny.

@sjappiyah4071

7 ай бұрын

@@weaq84 Yeah sure I’m biased lol, everyone is. My biased hasn’t clouded my judgement however. The PHD candidate said a lot of facts but it was useless because he couldn’t *apply them* to make a coherent argument. Debating is not simply ramrodding a bunch of true statements it’s about former a persuasive point. He failed to do that, and thus instead simply ascribed motive…

@weaq84

7 ай бұрын

@@sjappiyah4071 As I say, though he may have ramrodded his points across, he did also make arguments and he driectly responded to what Destiny was saying. You fail to see that because of your bias. Destiny saying "you're not letting me come back because you know you're wrong" was just not the case. Yes, the guy should have allowed Destiny to speak, but it wasn't because he knew he was wrong. The points all went back to a clear argument he had made. You can say Destiny won the argument if you like, but it's just wrong to say that Destiny had arguments and the other guy didn't. Ascribing motive is necessary in this conflict. You cannot avoid it. It will necessarily be based on limited information. Having an issue with doing it just seems an easy way to let Israel off the hook and criticise Hamas. It allows you to focus on the Hamas charter (which I'm not disputing), but to give Israel the benefit of the doubt because they haven't explicitly stated that they want to take more and more land and get rid of the Palestinians (although of late we're hearing that more and more explicitly from top Israelis). This is unreasonable in my view.

@yayayaokoksure

7 ай бұрын

Essentially a conspiracy theorist.

"Nothing over 150 years ago matters" "wait, nothing over 100 years ago matters" "Wait, nothing over 9 years matters" "I'm informed on all of it" "I'm informed on everything except the war that counters my narrative" "You're in debate mode". Why did this guy get the time of day? I think you've done an awesome job of being objective, I have typically been a right-wing consumer online lately, and have been much more open to the left since watching you. How someone can so obviously and admittedly be biased, while acting like YOU are the biased one is literally insane. This feels like one of those conversations with people who think an Australian saying "all lives matter" is racist. He wasn't interested in a good faith discussion, just his narrative.

@walterlaten7662

8 ай бұрын

I have no hate for the left i just cant stand their extreme groups and those at the moment are dictating the movement so i rather go right then left too many crazies in the side of the left yes the right also has crazies but they are just racist assholes they still live in reality but the left they dont live in reality and it drives me crazy

@icekills1

7 ай бұрын

Lowkey need a timestap for this

@jaednhowlar2359

6 ай бұрын

being a centrist is the best and the worst, lol.

@neilmerchant2796

5 ай бұрын

Show me anyone who says "all lives matter" that isn't a racist. lmao

@clickbaitrater8945

5 ай бұрын

@@neilmerchant2796 Braindead take.

Who would win? 1 guy with a phd or one woman with a few days of research?

@brewbush

8 ай бұрын

You gotta talk with smarter and more reasoned liberals

@codytownsend3259

8 ай бұрын

A woman with a few days research probably.

@mcblu9344

8 ай бұрын

Hahahahaha

@TheTataxx

8 ай бұрын

Girl power obviously

@CausalityUsurper

8 ай бұрын

Obviously the woman, but only if she has a stripper name.

This guy claims that christians were treated well but ignores the exodus of Greeks from Egypt under nasser who were there for thousands of years. These people dont apply the same standards when christians get ethnic cleansed and when muslims get ethnic cleansed.

@platotle2106

8 ай бұрын

Why do you think the Greeks suddenly had to flee after thousands of years in Egypt?

@Jake_venture

8 ай бұрын

They don’t apply the same standards on literally any topic

@danthem2278

8 ай бұрын

Also, the argument works both ways. There are over one hundred thousand Druze in Israel (who speak Arabic) they recognize Israel and all serve in the military. They are some the commanders and one of them fell yesterday. The head doctor for Covid in Israel was Druze. All Israelis love the Druze. Why did he not bring THAT up?

@GeekyCandi

8 ай бұрын

Welcome to the scholarly historical cherrypicking in our higher educational systems 😂

@He-who-wakes

8 ай бұрын

​@@danthem2278um uh errr

The amount of times this Phd guy was lost for words is amazing

@bigolboomerbelly4348

8 ай бұрын

Maybe he has another PHD for that😂

@petercohen5563

8 ай бұрын

He’s stunned by the ideological blindness of his interlocutor.

@mukkaar

5 ай бұрын

I mean he's probably not professional debater ;D No matter what his position is, pointing this out is pretty ridiculous.

@cplusmcretired

5 ай бұрын

He was lost for words while constantly talking and interrupting.

31:25 "They don't call it the West Bank, they call it Judea and Samaria" That is one of the most Anti-semitic statements I have ever heard. He is complaining that the Jews are not calling a land that was named after their people [Judea] or after one of their cities [Shomron] a name that was made up by an Arab occupation force. The name West Bank refers to the west bank of the river Jordan, and It was occupied by the Jordanians and given this name. What an absolutely insane statement.

@mukkaar

5 ай бұрын

It's not though.

@eivindselseng4473

4 ай бұрын

is that rly one of the most anti-semitic statements you have ever heard?

@howdareyou41

3 ай бұрын

his mom killed Jews in the 6th day war so we know he can't be biased

This guy is probably still saying Russia isn't going to invade Ukraine because the Ukrainian foreign minister said Russian troop numbers amassing on the border are insufficient for an invasion.

@IstandwithIsrael236

8 ай бұрын

-hassan piker then in his apology video after saying this "its disgusting western propaganda to say Russia would bomb Kiev (this video came out the day before that started happening if I'm correct)

Love how that guy didn't trust any "isreali facts" but as soon as the foreign minister says something that supports his argument, he was 100% telling the truth and is trustworthy.

@mhdawod8350

8 ай бұрын

why would a minister lie against his country....The fact that he refused to belive it and chose to believe some collective conscience argument was very weak......and by the way ...in egypt,it is well established nasser was all talk and wouldn't have invaded

@mrman-yj3bn

8 ай бұрын

@mhdawod8350 I'm not saying that's false. I'm saying that this guy doesn't believe anything isreal says, but as soon as it benefits him, he believes it.

@kakyoin9688

8 ай бұрын

@@mhdawod8350then why did Nasser chose to close the straits to Israel when they declared any blockade is considered war. Also why did Nasser get rid of the UN peacekeepers if he didn’t want war?

@user-gy1pu3gq3d

8 ай бұрын

@@mrman-yj3bn You have to look at statements in the context they are made. If you find the private diary of Netanyahu, do you expect it to be his actual beliefs? I do. If you hear Netanyahu give a speech at the US Capitol or at the UN, do you expect it to be his actual beliefs? I don't. The point of understanding context is to understand what is motivating the words being spoken. Surely you understand that.

@bengalsrz

8 ай бұрын

This is a lot more basic than you think. When a party makes a claim that sheds positive light on themselves, you should be skeptical, because the motivation to be deceitful is high. When a party makes a claim that sheds a negative light on themselves, it is more likely to be true because the motivation to be deceitful is low. Historians often operate on this paradigm when evaluating statements from national officials

To think this student is going to be cited as an "historian" and teach students is so depressing

@flyingfig12

7 ай бұрын

and explains the student protesters and the 3 presidents of Ivy universities.

@howdareyou41

3 ай бұрын

power. everything through the lens of power. if you have it you're wrong. if you don't you're right.

@sharoncohen318

Ай бұрын

And this is one of the "moderate" ones

I have never watched you before. I'm actually shocked with how accurately you got the Israeli POV, especially when it comes to national security and existencial threats. It's good to actually hear someone who understand where you are coming from, even if you have disagreements. For the record and in case it wasn't clear, I'm Israeli. Tbh, I wouldn't mind one state nor to state solution, as long as I know for sure that I don't have to fear for my life, nor anyone else do

@eshedguitar

6 ай бұрын

@@worsethanjoerogan8061 not just that but peace in general. not in the near 50 years at least it seems.

@hahahahahohohoho5085

6 ай бұрын

​@@worsethanjoerogan8061 but what is the alternative? Two states would mean military conflict until the other is obliterated.

4:52 It's not only "a common argument, blah blah blah". As a middle-easterner and ex-Muslim, I grew up with everybody around me telling me to hate the Jews: my family, our media, our religious teachings, our politicians, and finally our religious leaders. I know it's hard to you to understand that as an outsider, but there is something fundamentally wrong with Islam as a religion, and that's why I left in the first place, and that's also why the majority of Muslims support what Hamas did on October 7th. We may call jihadist groups an extreme version of Islam, but I'd argue that they're the only people who apply the real Islam as it is. They're not extreme; this is just how Islam really is. Maybe the majority of Muslims don't act this way, but it's clear they support it, and they don't want peace; they only want to destroy the state of Israel. Extremism and racism are not limited to Islam alone, for sure. Simply every religion has some of them, but it seems like Muslims are one of a very few religious groups who're taking these teachings seriously in this day and age, and they're more than happy to apply them whenever they have a chance.

@Wei822mm

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for speaking up. Peace and love

@Mpc5061

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for speaking out

@ordro107

7 ай бұрын

You are brave and inspiring. May everyone be as strong as you to look beyond the limitations of the society they were born in. There might be peace one day thanks to people like us. I'm an Israeli and I'm anti-settlements anti-jewish representation in Parliment and Orthodox and anti-fascist (who are responsible for the dominant alliance of right wing in Israel)... But I still know Israel has a right to exist and there should be a Jewish state that is inclusive to all it's citizens, and can become a good place. I believe if all religions are put back in their place as a recreational activity and not as political powers the world can finally go forward.

@pmarreck

7 ай бұрын

You're such an Islamophobe =) (I bet even an ex-Muslim wouldn't be permitted by the Left to speak truth to power about the problem of Islam)

@pmarreck

7 ай бұрын

It is my understanding that it is incredibly hard to leave Islam (not only because of their rules, but because of the emotional and likely logistical cost). You are both a hero and someone I wish I could give a hug to. Spread love, be safe.

It’s so awkward when you realize somebody has a raging bias and can’t be communicated with.

@anthonyzaddiolo

8 ай бұрын

I laughed out loud when he said that he had a “family member” in the Egyptian army but that was just “anecdotal” and not aiding in his bias.

@User-pu2hz

8 ай бұрын

I know that’s why I cringe watching destiny now

@UprightCaucasoid

8 ай бұрын

@@anthonyzaddiolo I know, that killed me

@urbanangst7630

8 ай бұрын

My impression of Matt is that he's a foreign plant who is being pushed through academia and groomed for positions of social influence.

@anthonyfaiell3263

8 ай бұрын

And we wonder why depression and anxiety rates are extremely high in very intelligent people...

I think we're severely under playing the religious angle. I have muslim friends and they've expressed their hatred of jews to me for years. I even remember Amir Khan (the boxer) fighting a jewish fighter and it being a huge thing. These specific muslims are Pakistani, so I reject the idea that it's pretty much restricted to the Levant. This is also highlighted by the current protests, I would posit that a lot of the protesters don't care about Palestine, they're just taking "their" side because they see it as muslims vs jews.

@ghosthunter0950

7 ай бұрын

Muhammad Hijab has a video where they explicitly state it's not about land it's about religion. he's one of the most famous Muslims creators around.

I'm surprised that in only the first minute and a half Destiny is pointing out enormous and relevant portions of history that a history PhD student is just flat out willfully ignoring. It's hard to believe the sheer willful stupidity or intellectual dishonesty in someone that will likely become a professor at a university.

PhD here. When I was a student I noticed that there was nothing worse than a PhD student. They know enough to think they know everything yet they still don’t know anything. So you get this annoying know it all attitude.

@vicktorioalhakim3666

8 ай бұрын

As a graduated PhD: absolutely agree. The PhD programs of today have degraded to such a degree that universities just hire complete trash, paper writing machines, because it makes them money, and the supervisor can get easy publications. They don't know how to do research for shit, and survive by basically cozying up to the supervisor, while publishing absolute trash in predatory journals. And I had the misfortune to interact with many of my peers who displayed the same attitude as this guy, but when it came to the actual work, it was pure garbage. The PhD title has lost its prestige... really tragic.

@labc133

8 ай бұрын

Cool, now do a dork youtube streamer that reads on a topic for five days for the first time in his worthless life and wants to arrogantly dunk on a phd student.

@WOUmurderstomps

8 ай бұрын

​​@@labc133it says more about the eduction system that 5 days of reading is making him seem more in the know how and "win debates" against a literal PhD student

@Wi_Gong_Dye

8 ай бұрын

And i bet u paid $250k to reach that conclusion. Lol. Wat was the point?

@jjjayaraman8963

8 ай бұрын

Damn, this is too close to the truth XD

Supposed PhD "student" Matt: *gives information that confirms his biases* Destiny: *refutes it* Matt: "Well we just disagree." Matt: *essentially whines that Destiny doesn't agree with him* Destiny: *Gets passionate like 2 times* Matt: "wow you're so emotional"

@samumie

8 ай бұрын

But there’s an ex Zionist that agrees with him.

@GingerSnapps07

8 ай бұрын

You must not have paid attention to the whole video.

@BlueDirt_ProAggressive

8 ай бұрын

Woman always so emotional

@asmbeats5369

8 ай бұрын

​@@GingerSnapps07Ironic

@alecstewart2612

8 ай бұрын

@@GingerSnapps07 I got like 90% of the way through. Is there something in the last 10% that I missed?

I cant actually believe that this guy is a PHD student for anything let alone for history. I would have a hard time believing he could even pass a Modern History High School Subject.

@sanchous85

7 ай бұрын

He knows. He deliberatly lying and avoids things that don't fit his narrative.

@Jrocka7x

7 ай бұрын

Humans gonna human.

@rosemaryalles6043

7 ай бұрын

Consider what is happening at Harvard. There your response.

@cplusmcretired

5 ай бұрын

I am confident he is a PHD student due to how important he thinks his opinion is. You can tell a PHD student by the arrogance and they tell you they are 100 times a minute (not to mention how indoctrinated they are).

@ebefl

Ай бұрын

Your faith in PhDs is unfounded

I don’t know who Destiny is, but his tapping into our mindset in Israel is so incredibly important to me. The fact that by learning our history you tap into our feelings, and realize how we act accordingly is amazing to me.

@IstandwithIsrael236

8 ай бұрын

yea same didn't see him till like the other week he is actually pretty unbiased but uses actual fact to prove his point

@ElohimshaddaiOct7

7 ай бұрын

His ideology suits on this topic, yes… but on other things he stands or blasphemes YWH completely . So u must not be manipulated … look at his other dialogues and u will see the separation 🥹🇮🇱

@just-a-generic-username

5 ай бұрын

@@ElohimshaddaiOct7 Manipulated? Not everyone shares the same religion, that doesn't mean they can't appreciate your humanity or right to exist.

History is a never ending search for more context, and this guy just wishes to ignore any that disagrees with him. He'll be a terrible historian.

@marcmacaluso2795

8 ай бұрын

that's what I saw

@melissasugi681

8 ай бұрын

How many times did Destiny say he barely has learned about the topic at hand? He often has said he doesn’t know or care much about history. I wish I had his confidence. lol

@jarofpickles4057

8 ай бұрын

He'll make for a fine Hamas sponsored historian

@resy-t9382

8 ай бұрын

@@melissasugi681 Destiny didn't say that he doesn't care much or know about history with it comes to debating current time politics. He does not see history as the only factor to matters in the conversation. (edit my spelling is a nightmare)

@melissasugi681

8 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@resy-t9382thank you for contributing nothing.

Now that Destiny has done a ton of research on this, he’s starting to absolutely fucking school people on this subject and it’s sweet to watch

@saraha.7473

8 ай бұрын

Destiny is a textbook contrarian. Any discourse he ever has is ultimately empty and baseless

@TheMDGamer

8 ай бұрын

@@saraha.7473 citation needed

@iCJesus777

8 ай бұрын

@@saraha.7473any person that talks in absolutes like this is definitely not to be listened to 😂😂

@rolandalphs7022

8 ай бұрын

@@saraha.7473 It really would be nice if you could tell everyone where or how he is wrong! Don't forget to cite factual things that are not from tiktok!

@jakeroper1096

8 ай бұрын

The sad part is he’s schooling a literal PHD student in HISTORY edit: student

Thank you destiny for going out of your way to educate yourself on the facts around this debate. Too many people just accept the propaganda put out instinctively wanting to blame Israel for Palestinians problems without question.

@BE-bk1tb

7 ай бұрын

Educating himself to the Israeli talking points.

@skontheroad

7 ай бұрын

That's like saying he is arguing "HIS Truth" instead of "THE Truth". Which is ridiculous. ​@BE-bk1tb

@johnhendrickson300

6 ай бұрын

@@BE-bk1tb if you want to call basic facts and history “Israeli talking points”

@johnhendrickson300

6 ай бұрын

@@skontheroad no he is arguing the truth. You just probably don’t like it.

@skontheroad

6 ай бұрын

@@johnhendrickson300 Exactly! The facts ARE the truth, so ofc they are Israeli talking points!

Egypt was clearly the aggressor in 1967. This guy is a clown. Michael Oren, who he referred to, wrote a book about how the Egypt started the war LOL

"The consequences of their victimization, are no longer being felt." I'd be curious if he keeps that same energy with black Americans, when people say "slavery ended 150+ years ago, so what's the issue?"

@LewisB3217

8 ай бұрын

I’m black, I’ve heard people say that the effects of slavery and Jim Crow can’t be felt anymore many times, so he’ll probably say that yeah lol

@badmuddafadda

8 ай бұрын

Destiny correctly brings up the effects of generational wealth over time.@@LewisB3217

@williamschlass6371

8 ай бұрын

It's true in the latter case

The amount of confirmation bias coming from a PhD history student is wild

@sidvyas8549

8 ай бұрын

Really discredits the LSE too like wow I wouldn’t expect this level from a PhD candidate there yikes lol

@dire3648

8 ай бұрын

@@sidvyas8549 to be fair he’s on his way to get a PhD but he talks like he’s on the final stretches. Def dosnt look good lol

@bigolboomerbelly4348

8 ай бұрын

Sad. History is not only a storied pillar of human intellectual achievement but also a practical necessity for guiding us today. Can't stand it when departments have overt bias.

@verenamenzel8958

7 ай бұрын

he is talking a lot garbage. There are so many books out who describe the history of Israel and Palestine. Its not rocket science.

@dire3648

7 ай бұрын

@@mariecurie7884 I’d recommend looking harder lol

I am consistantly impressed by how Destiny will keep a relatively constant tone of voice thorughout some of these conversations.

Interesting point often missed in summaries of the Six-Day War: the crucial role of Israel's Dimona reactor and the Israel-US-Soviet communications. The threat to the reactor was not just about losing a strategic asset, but the fear of a nuclear catastrophe that could impact Israel's entire population. Israel's preemptive strike against Egypt's air force was partly driven by the urgency to protect this facility. Additionally, the behind-the-scenes diplomacy between Israel, the US, and the Soviet Union played a key role in shaping the conflict's dynamics. Recognizing these factors helps fill in many puzzling gaps in the common narratives of the war.

@RedOlympus

8 ай бұрын

Intelligence uncovered later confirmed the Dimona reactor was indeed one of Nasser's targets during the Six-Day War... so… Egypt was indeed planning to attack Israel… if that is helpful for future debates

@RedOlympus

8 ай бұрын

I think the Israeli Syrian conflict at the time is also relevant

These people denying history always reference one random person in the govt or military at the time of these conflicts and use their dissenting opinion as consensus. Do they not understand confirmation bias?

@CrestOfArtorias

8 ай бұрын

​@@crossmarian773Views that challenge my preconceived position are violence y'all. *snaps fingers quietly*

@pdpgb

8 ай бұрын

Destiny is justifying a preemptive war based on Egypt building up their army and joining a defensive alliance with Jordan. And then keeping all the land they take in this "defensive" war. How does this not justify Russia invading Ukraine when they've been building up their army since 2014, were about to do a huge invasion into Donbas, and were about to join NATO? Now suddenly Egypt isn't a sovereign nation that can do whatever it wants within its own borders and join any pact they want. The double standard between US allies and "enemies" is just INSANE. Also he doesn't care about international law. His position is very simply "might makes right" and we're the strongest right now so fuck everyone else.

@VolsPride

8 ай бұрын

@@pdpgb Are you just choosing to leave out the most IMPORTANT part of that pre-emptive Israel-Arab war, something that Ukraine NEVER did to Russia? Israel didn't invade Egypt because they were just building up an army. They did so because Egypt CLOSED the Suez Canal. You think the neighboring Arab countries will allow Israel to import/export goods through their borders? The water is the ONLY way for Israel to get ANYTHING in or out of their country. Your comparison is an absolute false equivalency.

@HansWurst-gm2rx

8 ай бұрын

​@@VolsPride ​ Besides the trade issue, you can add that Ukraine did not amass troops at the Russian border to invade Russia.

@Jake_venture

8 ай бұрын

@@pdpgb that’s literally not what he said at all and you’re doing exactly what this guy did, ignoring the events leading up to the outbreak. Yes you have the right to do whatever you want inside your borders, but understand that provocation has repercussions. If someone puts their hand on their gun threatening you, do you have to wait until they shoot you to take action against them?

Only half way through, but it's fucking wild how Destiny spends 10 minutes explaining a bunch of military actions by Egypt, how the exact situation caused war before, how it's internationally regarded as an act of war, and reads writings by the LEADER showcasing a will to go to war / eliminate Israel etc. And the response is 1 diplomat's quote in an autobiography and calling out Destiny for "inferring". AND SOMEHOW at 58:14 he thinks a good argument is a questionnaire about arbitrary treatment, where he outright "inferring" that 80% of Jews think they should be treated better than Christian and therefore are Zionist scum wanting to grab all the land from the Arabs. How do you go up to a PhD in History with this sort of analysis?

@bigolboomerbelly4348

8 ай бұрын

Moolah

@leoraac

7 ай бұрын

Honestly, that's exactly how I was feeling. 😂 And the part where he says Israel doesn't share Western values? I was like.... bro never been there before. But maybe he's got a 2005 citation somewhere that he hasn't refreshed himself on in 6.5 years that would affirm him, if he can recall who quoted it.

@shainahum6717

5 ай бұрын

have you seen what happens in those Ivy league colleges? as a non US academic student it seems to me that most of the humanities faculties there had a really turning down in their quality. not to talk about all the antisemitism in there.

@danielquartler1527

5 ай бұрын

This 6 day war claim his really silly Let's say Israeli leaders gave 5% chance that the entire arab countries will attack Israel, is this a risk Israel may take? The answer is clearly NOT. Especially after the jews were slaughtered through all the history (such as Ukraine pogroms 1919, Holocaust) and after the arabs massacred them since 1922,1929. Israelis always say: look what the arabs doing to other Arabs (such as Syria) so imagine what will they do to jews.

I gotta admit. I really didn’t like you at first destiny and still disagree with many of your opinions but over time i've come to respect you and the way you attack talking points. You're a smart man and will be very successful if you continue to try to find and speak the truth as well as you can. keep it up!

let's play a game; how many times did the PhD history student say "I'm sorry, I misspoke.." 🤣

This guy put his whole PhD on the line lmao… got to respect that

@JButterZJ

8 ай бұрын

he doesnt lose his PhD cause of that. just my respect

@Lateralmove

8 ай бұрын

@@JButterZJshame not both

@deschain1910

8 ай бұрын

@@JButterZJ He probably could if his professors saw it... lol

@user-or5to4kc9p

8 ай бұрын

and he completely lost it

@Einsamira

8 ай бұрын

He prolly never had one lol

This guy: "Yes, the Arabs do all the same things, but Israel should do better." No, Israel should live out Western values in their country, but as far as war and foreign policy, they have to live in reality, and the reality is that the rules, expectations, and beliefs of the people surrounding them are not western.

@blackbeltjones2903

8 ай бұрын

Justifying subjugation. Stay classy.

@TheSentryRob

8 ай бұрын

@@blackbeltjones2903 If Israel laid down their guns and stopped fighting their would be a second holocaust. If the Palestinians laid down their guns and stopped the violence, they would have a state.

@blackbeltjones2903

8 ай бұрын

@@TheSentryRob Why would Israel lay down its arms? Every country should have the means to defend itself. Thing is, that also applies to Gaza and the West Bank. They're quite clearly reacting with violence when provoked by Israeli encroachment and aggression. Years of conflict have radicalized both sides. So, to even suggest that Palestinians would miraculously drop their guns after years of subjugation is tantamount to expecting complete surrender. Not gonna happen. It's an unrealistic proposition, and you know it. If we're going to figure out real solutions to the problems, don't start appealing to nonsense hypotheticals. Israel played a large role in stoking the flames of Palestinian extremism over decades. This didn't start with Hamas. Are you suggesting peace negotiations over generations haven't happened or have failed because Palestinians are too violent and anti-western? BS. "Living out Western values" is no excuse for oppressing people. these aren't the only two bordering regions in the world that have to cope with different cultural and ethnic realities. It's one thing to have disagreements. it's another to be plunged into war. Point being that conflict isn't an inevitability, the groundwork for peaceful interactions needs to be laid out to keep tensions in check. And that hasn't been a fair process. Israel, in tandem with the US, have their own particular nationalist policies that seem to value security and force over attacking root causes. Typical move for power holding groups that know their actions will lead to fallout and unrest but can at least shelter themselves from it by having a strong military, police force and overall defence capability.

@vadsmixinglab11

8 ай бұрын

Shit dude, as an Israeli, you understand this better than many Israelis who think we should treat this as if our conflict is with Norway..

@blackbeltjones2903

8 ай бұрын

@@vadsmixinglab11 OPs basically implying the root cause and primary reason there's no peace is solely on Palestinian aggression as if there's no validity to their resistance, and as if israel is merely defending itself and not partaking in any provocations. You ppl are clowns 🤡.

Destiny, you absolutely have to do this again. The fact that you supposedly just started studying this issue is almost unbelievable to me, because you were so well versed and on point. If you study this even more, you will be able to bring so much value and insight to all of us, because you really know how to carry a debate.

PHD: Why are you so stupid? PHD: Why are you being so argumentative?

I love how at the end of these "debates", after realizing he is arguing with someone incapable of having a logical thought, Destiny just gives up and looks defeated.

@badmuddafadda

8 ай бұрын

There is a frustrating but ultimately hilarious “debate” that ends in an amusing whimper between Sam Seder and Jackson Hinkle called, “Sam Debates Electoral Politics With A Jimmy Dore Fan.” Similar type of debate as this one but drawn as a cartoon. The ending made the whole thing worth it.

@saheerumar2443

8 ай бұрын

but he got defeated, so it looked exactly what that would look like

@meltedWax169

8 ай бұрын

​@@saheerumar2443if you think dodging and weaving any of destiny's talking points and being extremely biased, and whining about the othet person actually debating is winning.. very weird world you live in.

@saheerumar2443

8 ай бұрын

@@meltedWax169 if you think repeatedly falling back on optically questionable debate tactics (“you’re talking over me because you know I’m right!”) which on occasion ARE accurately doled out, make Destiny look good, you’re delusional. This other dude was simply, calmly laying out the history of a series of events - while admittedly being a bit dry and exceedingly pedantic - in order to establish his position. He was not difficult to follow. He wasn’t “jumping all over the place”. He wasn’t even accusatory. He just owned Destiny with facts and logic. Destiny should just take the L and keep learning more.

@ethanwright752

8 ай бұрын

@@saheerumar2443 this dude refused to engage with destinys points just saying" wahhh I disagree" and sounded like a nasal, snivelling, pleading whining piece of garbage. What a joke

This guy knows how to pivot to something else or a different spot in the timeline when Destiny starts owning him with facts.

@Goodmorning592

8 ай бұрын

Yup… people keep saying he’s stupid, but I think he’s more dishonest

@ghosthunter0950

7 ай бұрын

Yeah the way he keeps jumping between arguments is just hilarious. he doesn't even let destiny finish a sentence in reply before jumping to the next one.

A fundamental question that needs to be asked regarding Israeli settlements in Judea and Samaria is "WHAT EXACTLY IS THE PROBLEM WITH JEWS LIVING THERE AS WELL AS ARABS?" People that argue against them being able to live there have mostly never been there. Judea and Samaria are practically wide open. If the Arabs/ Islam had just been able to live and let live, they would have been able to stay and have a very good life. Renters and squatters don't have property rights when the property is sold. That's life. Why couldn't they find another place, just like they wanted for Jews. People also need to remember that there were signs in Europe telling Jews to "go back" to Palestine during the Holocaust. But back to colonial ethnic cleansing... can we talk about how Islam could just never countenance giving back territory it lost in its many wars of expansion across history? Why is it that pre-1948 there were all these attacks against Jews in Palestine? What did the perpetrators say were their justifications for that? Let's examine the history of Islam with respect to Christians and Jews, shall we? Islam has done so much damage, worldwide, since its inception. We can talk about the impetus for the Crusades, and we can choose to listen to their own words, their own imams. From a spiritual and historical perspective, we seem to be looking at "antichrist "

@arayter

5 ай бұрын

Spot on!

PhD in neuroscience here. In my experience, most PhD students are actually very smart, hard workers and disciplined. The average IQ is also higher. However they are human and are not less prone to conditioning and bias than people who are less educated. And academia is a huge woke brainwashing machine.

Destiny: makes good arguments This dude: "Well, we disagree"

@badmuddafadda

8 ай бұрын

Or “That’s counterfactual.” The fancy-boy way of saying “That’s a lie.” How about right near the end when Matt says something is a co-INsin-Dentl occurrence. ‘Round here we just call it a coincidence .

@TH-lo8mq

8 ай бұрын

@@badmuddafadda Nah. Please google counterfactual.

@Tadders

8 ай бұрын

​@@TH-lo8mqcan't you just define it here? Not all of us are as smart as you. You can't just say, "edumacate yourself" and leave. Please help and show work.

@Andrein.3237

8 ай бұрын

@@Taddersbruh you can’t Google?

@whm_w8833

8 ай бұрын

@@badmuddafaddait’s a way of saying the counterfact be nice to have if it existed

ignoring the entire context of the conversation i hate people who talk over you for hours and hours on end and then cry when they have to shut up for 10 seconds

Destiny, you’re a smart mofo. Such a great debater. You know your stuff thank you.

I’ve never been a fan of Destiny until Today. He gets the corre problem: The Arab refusal of recognizing Israel to exist.

Imagine holding literally any other country to the standard of the states that had literally been invaded by all of its neighbors repeatedly, and the majority of whom still refuse to recognize its existence. This guy is legit insane.

@greenhammer3263

8 ай бұрын

Refuse to recognise its existence within what borders? Bet you wont answer

@areichental

8 ай бұрын

@@greenhammer3263 well, considering only 2 Arab nations recognize its current borders and a third kind if considering it, I think that's a fine place to start. I'll even include the Gaza settlements since it sure seems that hamas is desperate too redraw the map.

@greenhammer3263

8 ай бұрын

@@areichental hey fool- hamas recognises the reality of Israel within 1967 borders

@drts6955

8 ай бұрын

I actually agree with you. But also imagine defending a state that as been built on occupying other people's homes and displacement. I mean no one ever ever ever agrees with this under any other circumstances. As an Irish dude I find it hilarious how people can tell me how awful the English were but not see that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is the same. Most people intuitively understand that occupiers are in the wrong, even if the oppressed are in some sense more brutal (I'm simplifying).

@17TT

8 ай бұрын

​@@drts6955palestine are jews and Christiana who were colonized and assimilated by the arab Islam empire but nobody talk about this.

This PHD guy just kept saying he disagrees instead of proving his point.

@pannkeki8940

8 ай бұрын

It's because if he gave any ground on those points it would have nuked his entire argument. He put all his eggs in the basket of the controversial claims haha

@fakesilver746

8 ай бұрын

he was being courteous while Steven was behaving like an ape, making factually incorrect claims and contradicting himself over and over. It's ok that you think Destiny won this debate because you don't know any better but Steven should be held to a higher standard. He's a buffoon and right now he's running the errands of one of the most evil states in the world. Example of being plain wrong: When he said Zionism has never existed and never been a motivation behind Israeli policy. This is an insane claim and he lost the debate right here. Example of contradicting himself: When he said other nations should just accept Israeli war crimes after saying that Israel has a right to launch a preemptive offensive war over a shipping dispute.

@ethanwright752

8 ай бұрын

@@bigm980 you can disagree but you need to give a reason, simpleton

@jimmy_xi9342

7 ай бұрын

​​@@bigm980 But facts r not. So, he outed himself as an absolute clown just like u 🤡

The causality argument pertaining to Arabs becoming terrorists is so lame. It’s the ultimate, “The devil made me do it,” excuse which diminishes the agency of Arabs and infantilizes them. It also doesn’t make sense because Arabs were killing Jews in Palestine before Israel existed, before one settlement or one minute of supposed oppression. When your behavior comes before the excuse you’re blaming it on, what do you do?

1948 "nakba" most Arabs left the land cause they got pamphlets from the Arab league that told them to leave the "combat zone" and that they would soon beat the Israeli and they could return to their land. They obviously lost. Yes, Israel did displace some communities but the overwhelming majority of the 700K people that left the land in the nakba did so cause the Arab league told them to. Not cause Israel forced them. The Arabs that refused to leave and stayed behind are part of the 20% of modern Israeli today that are Arab and they are happy to be in Israel rather than Gaza or West Bank. Originally the meaning of "nakba" was not the displacement of people but the fact they lost their ensured victory over Israel. THAT was the "catastrophe". The loss of the war, not the displacement of people. They later started using "nakba" to mean the displacement to score sympathy points.

@Gilfaizon

5 ай бұрын

I think this is in the king of Jordan’s autobiography.

Destiny has studied this conflict for 5 days and is able to completely dismantle every taking point of this PHD student who has been studying it for years 😂

@TheAleBecker

8 ай бұрын

Keep feeding this man Adderall please

@kingryan69

8 ай бұрын

because he actually did the reading and didnt just watch youtube videos. He has a ways to go but hes been pretty solid in general.

@teteradelabestia

8 ай бұрын

Because it sounds like the PHD student is just approaching it from a heavily biased position against Israel. I remember some inter pol masters students I knew back in uni who didn't even want to talk about the subject. If you're heavily biased to either side you're probably not seeing the conflict correctly. Israel is definitely doing things in a way we would deem immoral but when you consider their literal geographic position in the middle of countries that actually would love to see them eradicated it explains a lot of Israel's motives behind their actions.

@labc133

8 ай бұрын

He didnt? And how would you even know - you are a sheepboy simping for his online idol without having any idea of the historical facts.

@ShakaCthulu

8 ай бұрын

A Liberal Arts PhD isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. It’s an indoctrination badge from a Cracker Jack box.

Matt: Destiny get a bit passionate in the face of complete bullshit. Matt: You're so emotional about this.

@Baggerz182

8 ай бұрын

repent to God

@rutvikrs

8 ай бұрын

​@@Baggerz182Cthulu?

@LewisB3217

8 ай бұрын

@@rutvikrs Yes brother, Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

@drts6955

8 ай бұрын

He didn't whinge at all. And he was way less agro than Destiny. What are you talking about?

@Wahooney

8 ай бұрын

@@drts6955 he was doing the debate bro thing of "lack of emotion means I'm right" bullshit, and he came across as very whiny in his arguments. I admit 45 minutes is a little memey on my part, but when Destiny says something completely factual and he comes back with "So you take the Israeli government position?" and can't follow up with a correction or refutation of the facts. That's whining.

wonder how much money this kid spent for his degree LOL

This is whats so dangerous about intellectuals. He was so well spoken that against lesser minds would have kindly convinced them.. scary

Hate that these folks can't step out of their own safe first world view and understand that if you lived for the past 70yrs being threatened to be exterminated and everyone around has not stop shooting at you, i guess you would grow up with a very loving view of those people.

@doesntmatter4136

5 ай бұрын

Most israeli jews don't even hate them, citing those polls is misleading because it's a simple question. Like if you asked me 'do you want the arabs out of israel' i wouldn't know if you mean Arab Israelis (I personally don't want them out, but plenty of people are scared and distrustful considering plenty of Arab Israelis did not even denounce Hamas (but tons did because theres plenty of good people)) or 'Palestinian' Arabs, and if you clarified that you mean Palestinian Arabs I'd still not really know what you mean by out of Israel. Judea and Samaria, Gaza? Gaza isnt a part of Israel, they govern themselves, do I want them out of Gaza? If that means they go further away from me yeah, that doesn't mean i support going in there and mowing them down or physically forcing them away or anything. maybe i should elaborate further but that'd take time i don't have but i hope i made my point, its just really distilling a complex question into a yes/no kinda thing and that's misleading

calling destiny emotional is the equivalent of calling someone a tryhard after they destroyed you in a videogame lol

@johnclark8235

8 ай бұрын

😂

@User-pu2hz

8 ай бұрын

Touch grass

@wurmYT

8 ай бұрын

@@User-pu2hz I don't know of them.

@hijo5966

8 ай бұрын

@@User-pu2hzDefine grass

@user-wr2cd1wy3b

8 ай бұрын

@@wurmYT You don't know Sammy Grass? He's/she's always greener on the other side, they used to say. But that also could mean your neighbor doesn't mow their... Sammy.

Basically ‘It’s fine for Arab countries to commit war crimes against Israel, but Israel shouldn’t commit war crimes.’

It would have been great to see a debate between these two. This was essentially a podcast by the PHD student and he occasionally allowed Destiny to say enough to spark a new idea to keep him from spinning in circles too long.

"You're really emotional" is code for "I don't have a good response to what you're saying." So annoyed by this exhausting, bullshit debate tactic -- you're a PhD, bro, just be patient and address his points!

@femsplainer

8 ай бұрын

PhD CANDIDATE...not a PhD yet...hopefully the review board sees this debate and forces some remedial reviews.

@HC-sb5ck

8 ай бұрын

PhD doesn’t mean anything. I’ve dated 2 women with PhDs. Both were lying, cheating whores like any other woman.

@jogiff

8 ай бұрын

@@femsplainerwhen the PhD board asks him questions he doesn’t like this guy will be muttering, “this is beneath you I can’t believe you’d ask that I’m disappointed that you’re being so emotional…” the whole time. This little weasel was the most annoying guest Destiny has had for a while, at least when Q talks over you with nonsense he’s got entertaining things to say, this guy is just condescending and vapid

@jmeister7477

8 ай бұрын

I doubt that is code. Destiny is a highly emotional guy and can be condescending at times. At that time he was very emotional and he admitted that too.

@GrayNacht

8 ай бұрын

@@jmeister7477 I think you mean Destiny is a passionate guy, no one spends 5 days reading about this shit straight if you don't have some passion about it.

Does losing to Destiny in a debate justify a refund of your phd ?

@Violaphobia

8 ай бұрын

You can pay for your education, but they can’t force you to learn anything

@Kinhussar

8 ай бұрын

a PhD in history is probably scientifically worthless and pure literature review you can do at home

Its crazy how a random video game streamer can make more cogent points than a "phd student"

his entire argument is excusing palestinian deeds but never the other side

Watching this 'debate' (see: trashing) was so frustrating. The dude pulling the 'you're so emotional' card so many times gave me a splitting headache. Note: this man is a P. H. D. CANDIDATE. Horrifying.

@RemOmni

8 ай бұрын

Young people are usually stupid but don't realise it until heir older and look back at all the dumb things they did and said.

@TonyCox1351

8 ай бұрын

Outside of actual medical doctors, I don’t think PHDs are really that impressive anymore. If someone tells me they have a PHD in social sciences, I assume they are about as intelligent as someone with a bachelors in the same field, they just decided to go to school longer

@matejmudra9925

8 ай бұрын

@@RemOmni well, large portion of old people is still incredibly stupid, but demand respect because they lived longer lmao. This is not age thing. Some people are born ignorant and will die ignorant, not much you can do about it.

@Leoofmoon

8 ай бұрын

Hell this man's idea of a debate is just him talking for hours

@stoop404

8 ай бұрын

I hope the board gets the opportunity to listen to their student's pure genius and the cunning ability to see how cause and effect leads to war. its really sad to see what passes for college grads these days.

Love how the dude says destiny is getting emotional and says destiny won't let him talk while he cuts off almost every sentence destiny has tried to speak. AMAZING.

@JRuni0r

8 ай бұрын

The guy clearly didn't understand Destiny's goal in this discussion. Destiny wanted to learn the History and wanted this student to guide him and fill in details that might not be obvious for a layperson. What Destiny got was someone who assumed every question or statement by Destiny was an attempted refutation of his conclusion(s). He was in fact in debate mode and was playing logic trees... 'If Destiny is asking about the Suez he'll then ask about Egypt *hop skip jump* "So you think bombing Gaza civilians is OK now because in 1948...." ' That student just couldn't grasp that Destiny was trying to better understand the linear progression of the region. It was incredibly painful!

Considering how often he claimed Israel should have given back the “West Bank” after Jordan recognized Israel, it is laughable that Matt ignores that, by his own logic, Jordan occupied the “West Bank” from 1948 to 1967. The WB was part of the land to be partitioned between Israel and a “Palestinian” state. It was not Jordanian land, Jordan’s only claim was by conquest in 1948. Which also begs the question - why didn’t Egypt and Jordan create a Palestinian state themselves with Gaza and the WB in the 20 years they controlled the land. But no - they kept their fellow Arabs in refugee camps. Meanwhile Israel welcomed all the Jews expelled from Arab states. The Arab Palestinians have never been more than pawns to the other Arab nations - that is the true tragedy of the Palestinian Arabs -

Great video!! You had so much patience even that it was a difficult conversation at some points. And a different point, more like a fun fact, if you look at the areas that had malaria in the land and the partition plan there are overlapping areas on the Jewish part, but today there is no malaria in the area

The idea that Israel is not dramatically closer to the US in its values than other countries in the region is complete nonsense. Rating on The Economist's Democracy Index: Israel: 7.93 USA: 7.85 Lebanon: 3.64 Jordan: 3.17 Egypt: 2.93

@neXianXaviaX

8 ай бұрын

Damn I guess we're closer than this guy thought

@suddi218

8 ай бұрын

​@@neXianXaviaX The funny thing is that the US is place 30 and Israel is the country with the closest index score in the entire world at place 29. Not to say that The Democracy Index is the be-all and end-all metric but it sure is a better indicator than anything the guy in the video referenced.

It's funny to see how this guy thinks that Egypt provoking Israel and starting to mobilize is not a justification for war. When one of the cataclysms for the beginning of one of the greatest conflicts in history happened because the Russian Empire refused to demobilize.

@MasterGhostf

8 ай бұрын

Yea I don't think this guy understands geopolitics, casus belli, and politics in general. Egypt might have not bee preparing for war but was defending their border, but that doesn't matter. It LOOKS like they were going to war, and no words would change otherwise. Actions speak louder than words. If I look threatening to someone, they think I'm going to attack them. No matter how much I say otherwise.

@bloom4807

8 ай бұрын

Gosh, so much hate, we get it, you are a destiny fan.

@ShakaCthulu

8 ай бұрын

If you mean WW1, you’re one of the few people that knows that. The Russian Empire mobilizing its army on A-H’s borders is really what started WW1.

@deejnutz2068

8 ай бұрын

That's what working backwards from a conclusion gets you.

@Prometheus4096

8 ай бұрын

Actually, the guy's position is really solid and not controversial at all. Israel did a preemptive attack. It is the case study for a preemptive attack and how it might be justified and not be an act of aggression. Only later it was found out that the USSR gave Egypt false information about Israeli troop movements, which made Egypt call up their troops and position them near the Israeli border. Which made Israel nervous and made Israel decide to attack. We now know Egypt wasn't going to attack. The open question is if Israel knew and they just attacked because Egypt's troops were being vulnerable. In the end, it was Israel that started the war and attacked first. And this war led to the occupation of the West Bank, which hasn't ended until today. So yes Israel did start an unprovoked war in which they occupied territory which they are slowly annexing. Even Destiny can't argue against this.

I don't understand why people talk about the history but they don't explain the history??? So England had the control of the land and they partitioned... But why England had the control of the land? Because they team with the Arabs to fight against the Ottoman Empire!!! England promised the land to the Arabs! But before the first shot England and France already had a plan!! The Arabs fought for their land but they got backstabbed!!! Then WW2 happens, and what happened? They gave the biggest part of the Jews, even if they were a minority! So after fight for their land they got backstabbed again! Do you think they'll just say yes?!

@amaurisstudio

8 ай бұрын

@@Phoenix00Knight I don't want people to believe me, I want people to look, to learn by themselves before hearing and repeating the comments of a youtuber... And I'm not saying that because I'm pro palestine... I'm pro truth!! Pro life! Pro justice!!

Destiny sounding like Shapiro towards the end. xD "*super fast talk*, Obviously!"

I'm shocked some people actually think the UN has anything to do with reality. Israel gave back Sinai to Egypt as part of a separate peace deal 10 years after resolution 242. That resolution had no actual on the ground effects on reality, like most UN resolutions

@WTFSt0n3d

8 ай бұрын

If someone brings up the UN as a legitimat organisation I know, that nothing of value will be brought into a discussion by that person because he lives in lala land with unicorns and rainbows

@ducknwater3016

8 ай бұрын

@@WTFSt0n3d The UN is basically a place where agendas and big nations can bully and do whatever they want. It’s only purpose is being a forum for these nations, nothing else.

@Prometheus4096

8 ай бұрын

The UN created Israel.

@AriaTheDisciple

8 ай бұрын

@@WTFSt0n3d Care to expand more on this? What exactly is the problem with the UN? A more deeper question is is the problem with the UN as a whole or individual aspects of it?

@ANLEW82

8 ай бұрын

@@AriaTheDisciplefor the last two years China has sat on the UN Council on Human Rights. Get it now?

This guy is a history PhD. student and gets summarily wrecked by a dude with a girl's name who has been studying this conflict for 4 days. Chef's kiss.

Whataboutism IS NOT A VALID ARGUMENT, it's not even a valid deflection. "What about the rest of the Arab world" is not a defense of Israel's actions. Just like "Africans practiced slavery too" is not a justification or rationalization for the slavery practiced by the colonial powers and the United States. If I assault someone, I don't get to deflect from that by claiming that somebody else assaulted the same person or somebody else. That's stupid and absurd yet Destiny constantly uses this rhetorical tactic when talking about Israel and entertains it when right wingers use it to talk about slavery. It should be embarrassing, not thought of as valid. Also constantly mindlessly referring to the other countries in the region as "Arab states" is disingenuous verbiage. These states are not the organic product of the people in the region, the borders and institutions that shape and govern them are not the result of the conscious collective decision making of the people in the region. They are the result of colonial and imperial powers drawing borders and setting up and imposing institutions without regard for the people in the region so pretending that the Arab people in the region's relationship to the aggression and discrimination carried out by said institutions is in any way comparable to the relationship between Israelis and the state of Israel is just not a reasonable comparison. These are just weakly veiled "clash of civilizations" arguments, and anyone with any basic ethical reasoning skills should see them as the abhorrent garbage they are.

Also destiny, would you be willing to release your own summarized notes of each war and major events. id love to read them over myself. thanks

A PhD... This surely will be a nice and honest conversation based on historical facts

@mojohn1634

8 ай бұрын

@@Anaught-tbrk08 Destiny got stumped

@IstandwithIsrael236

8 ай бұрын

probably his phd was in propaganda

Imagine being a PHD student of History and not knowing history Lmfao

@user-gw4jp3xg3n

8 ай бұрын

What part did he not know? I haven't watched the full video yet.

@lukaswithakay

8 ай бұрын

@@user-gw4jp3xg3nBlockading trade lines has been a cause for war basically since we invented boats. The idea that a PhD of history would argue against this is beyond unbelievable. Edit: Even just trade embargoes were a justification for conflict.

@user-fg7xs1nu5n

8 ай бұрын

listening to this video was a pain, every point destiny made that contradicted the "PHD student's" point he started to pivoting to a different topic. he talks like a 4 star general while being delusional about cause and effect of what leads to war and the complexity of being surrounded by states that repeatedly said that they want to destroy you.@@user-gw4jp3xg3n

@hrothgr52

8 ай бұрын

He knew the facts he just didn’t connect them very well imo.

@Senpatriarch

8 ай бұрын

@@hrothgr52 Which to be fair, is the hardest part of doing historical analysis. But if you’re a fuckin PHD student you should def be able to connect these dots. I can do it with a bachelor of history education, maybe the dot connecting portion comes from my educational background? Either way, I’m embarrassed for this guy.

The world & the United Nation & British Empire has NO RIGHT DIVIDE ANY COUNTRY INCLUDING PALESTINE.

@arayter

5 ай бұрын

It wasn’t a country at the time, it was British property, hello…

Israel is not a unique country to be created from historical arguments of indigenous rights. Bulgaria has been created again recently. No one questioned that.

Here’s the problem with the Ph.D. student: he starts from the conclusion he wants, and then cherry picks select facts that fit his narrative and further his argument. It’s dishonest. Compare that to Destiny, who may have an opinion, but just reads his way through history and tries to figure out what the facts are and what makes sense. One is an ideologue trying to masquerade as an objective, learned source. The other is an ACTUAL student of history who wants to learn the truth.

@senorsavage8702

8 ай бұрын

How do you know he didn’t start from the beginning this is your first time hearing of him.

@westernartifact4163

8 ай бұрын

Welcome to every career academic.

@RaccooniusIII

8 ай бұрын

​@@senorsavage8702Perhaps it's because it obviously clear that the Ph.D muppet is a weasel.

@absurdh3ro

8 ай бұрын

@@westernartifact4163this prime example of why you don’t always “trust the experts”

@user-sk4ds1rg1z

8 ай бұрын

He's an activist using his "credential" to seem authoritative. Lots of people do this.

I apologise to destiny. You’ve always been a good faith debator imo but I had assumed you had a bad faith debate in this even before i watched the video and that was very unfair of me to do. I’m so glad i watched this and that people like you exist bc the world is full of bad faith prpogandists

@bigolboomerbelly4348

8 ай бұрын

Good job my guy🎉

@bigolboomerbelly4348

8 ай бұрын

Good job my guy🎉

@johnnyoron5672

6 ай бұрын

Why would you think that Destiny would have bad faith even before hearing what he has to say?

Yes, Israel was not acting in self-defense during the 1967 war. They fired the first shots, striking the egyptian AF, starting that war and took the west bank, gaza and golan heights. This territory acquired through war was illegal, emphasized in the pre-amble of un resolution 242

Finally, a discussion addressing more than mere legality but also the real situations on the ground.

Dude seriously asked, "what are we talking about again?", and then proceeded to **immediately** talk over Destiny when he attempted to clarify.

Oh my god. It all makes sense. Israel is the Kyle Rittenhouse of geopolitics. The ultimate liberal litmus test.

@NeedMorePlebs

7 ай бұрын

🤯

Im honestly shocked as to how many people in the comments believe that destiny won this debate. He was unprepared and ill equipped.

@ethanwright752

8 ай бұрын

found the terrorist

What the hell happened to universities in the United States?😮

unironically this PhD student was gishgalloping for the entirety of it and then acted like a literal baby when destiny called it out and decided to die hard on certain points i.e. foreign minister vs the rest of israel/the world - yes, this guy has the brain rot, hopefully we can set up a foundation in his name

Proceeds to constantly interruptil Destiny. Denies the ambiguity of "From the river to the sea." Makes horrible arguments in general. Asks Destiny: "Why are you getting so emotional?!"

I’m just at the first minute of the video and I can already tell you when someone is calling you emotional in an argument it is a gaslighter who will not be able to produce a solid argument. Classic.

this PHD student has so much confirmation bias that I can feel his veiled hatred of israel, destiny is right he was not doing a debate in good faith at all

As someone who watches Ben Shapiro and Destiny, I am excited to see their debate!

@KazukiFuse99

8 ай бұрын

when is it?

@johnclark8235

8 ай бұрын

Same here!

@ecta9604

8 ай бұрын

Ben might support Desantis over Trump, but the question is will he vote for a democrat if Trump is the Republican candidate

@Lycanmaster

8 ай бұрын

@@ecta9604that’s not a question, he’s stated as such. As long as the candidate is Biden that is

@thanoswalles1352

8 ай бұрын

@@ow1ix I definitely think the Biden discussion will be interesting,but I am more excited to see how the Trump discussion goes.

I am ashamed that this dude is a PhD student for history.

@mostbased

8 ай бұрын

He has to defend his team

@ezdelicades5554

8 ай бұрын

least biased historian 💀💀💀💀

@MrMisties

8 ай бұрын

@@ezdelicades5554 I promise we aren't this dude is just weird 🥲

@bigolboomerbelly4348

8 ай бұрын

​@@MrMistiesLife long love of history, can't stand the bad representation either.

"War crimes don't matter." -Destiny

36:41 LOL at him not thinking his mommy fighting for the Egyptians during the 6 day war is relevant hahahahahahah

that PhD Student is more dense than Osmium. he should've gone into physics.

This video was a struggle to watch. I personally can’t stand people who have to interrupt someone’s thought non stop.

@someguy3414

8 ай бұрын

They both did this. It's important to pay attention to the content of the arguments, or lack thereof.

You guys actually have downs thinking Destiny didn’t get completely demolished. He didn’t know anything.